WEBVTT 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:02.680 we're in for a big one everyone 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:04.839 welcome to tonight's meeting of the Port 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:07.280 Phillip city council the city of Port 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:09.599 Phillip respectfully acknowledges the 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:11.439 traditional owners of the land of this 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:13.560 land the people of the Kulin Nations we 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:15.080 pay our respects to their Elders past 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:17.440 and present we acknowledge and uphold 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:19.079 their continuing relationship to this 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:20.079 land 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.000 this meeting is being conducted in a 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:24.160 hybrid style in a stream via council's 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.160 webcast page and Facebook live streams 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:28.600 and recordings of Council meetings are 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:30.280 copyrighted and cannot be altered 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objectionable 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:06.120 aimed at embarrassing a counselor or 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:08.439 member of council staff or relate to a 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.079 matter outside the powers of counsel 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:16.239 the first item tonight is request to 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.159 attend by request to attend by 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.200 electronic means CEO do we have any 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.640 requests from counselors to participate 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.760 in tonight's meeting by electronic means 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:26.560 thank you mayor and through you we have 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.079 received a request from councilor 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:28.959 Crawford 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.000 thank you and as I indicated earlier she 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:32.400 will be joining us later but we'll be 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:35.159 listening online 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:36.879 counselors I now seek a mover for the 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.359 motion that Council approves the request 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:40.719 to attend the meeting electronically 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.159 received from councilor Crawford 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.040 councilor Martin to move to our 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.799 secretary councilor Sirkov has seconded 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:50.319 I'll now put the motion to a vote all 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:51.519 those in favor 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:54.560 that's scary unanimous 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.239 all right 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.359 okay next we have apologies 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.400 I note that councilor Baxter is an 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:05.200 apology for the meeting tonight he's 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.280 overseas 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:10.159 and he we had to leave request 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:11.680 previously 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:13.240 the next item 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:14.800 is 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.800 minutes of previous meetings 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:19.439 counselors and minister of the council 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:21.319 meeting held on the 4th of April 2023 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.080 have been circulated are there any 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.840 questions of this these minutes 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:28.719 ? 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.560 can I have a counselor move all right 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:33.039 counselor Pearl and a secondary 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.800 counselor Martin thank you I'll now put 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:37.560 that to vote all those in favor 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.199 it's carried unanimous thank you 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.560 next time Declaration of conflict of 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:46.800 interest 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:49.840 does anyone have a conflict of interest 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:51.840 in a matter being discussed at tonight's 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:53.080 meeting 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:55.840 CEO Chris Carroll 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.000 thank you and through you mayor I have a 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.120 conflict a general conflict and a 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:01.800 potential perceived conflict of interest 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.599 in relation to item 10.4 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.360 the St Kilda triangle project brief in 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.000 relation to my wife's employment and 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:10.479 business interests 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.360 which sees her have interactions with 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:14.000 Live Nation 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.360 a tenant on the abutting site 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:20.360 I've not been involved in the 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:22.280 development of advice in relation to 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:23.719 that report 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:25.960 and I'm not involved in decision making 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:28.560 tonight so and given that it's been can 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:30.560 be kind in public I will still attend 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:32.000 the meeting but I won't be involved in 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.599 the decision making thank you anybody 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:35.879 else have a conflict of interest to 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:37.360 declare 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:39.159 if not we're going to move on to 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:40.719 condolence motions 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:43.479 sadly we have two condolence emotions 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.439 added to the agenda tonight 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.479 the first condolence motions for Sheila 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.159 Kenny member of the city of Port 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:51.560 Phillips older persons advisory 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.159 committee who sadly passed away I will 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.000 now refer to counselor Peter Martin to 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:57.919 speak to the motion 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.479 thank you Matt last week all of us 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:01.639 particularly those who are members of 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:02.919 the other person's advisory committee 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:04.840 was shocked to learn that we lost one of 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.000 our most active and most vibrant members 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.520 Sheila Kenny I see we have three members 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:11.439 of our opacity I'd like to invite them 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:13.280 to come up and they will do most of this 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:14.919 condolence motion other than myself so 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.600 can I invite OPEC chair Wendy Priddle 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.240 former immediate past chair Frieda 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.120 Ehrlich and Deputy chair Ian McDonald to 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:23.439 come up and take a seat and as they're 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:24.279 sitting down and getting their 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:25.879 microphone ready 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:27.879 I'd like to pay my personal condolences 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.240 to Sheila's partner Brian Bethune on the 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.560 loss of such a wonderful person and 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:34.120 mentioned very briefly that Shiela had 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:35.360 only been in Australia for five years 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:37.560 from the UK but she'd very quickly risen 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.160 up through u3a to become their president 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:40.879 and an extraordinarily active president 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:43.439 she was a regular writer of Articles to 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.000 the age she was a vibrant and wonderful 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.319 soul in our OPEC meetings and I'd like 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.759 my OPEC people to say a few words about 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:54.800 her and then we'll put the motion 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.560 ah thank you mayor and councilors and 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:00.600 everyone present 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.360 um on behalf of OPEC I wish my our 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:08.519 sincere condolences to the family uh for 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:12.120 the death of this absolutely wonderful 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.279 person and great member of our committee 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.240 of our older persons committee 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.959 Sheila was a just a fantastic Diplomat 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.800 and I think she could tone down anything 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.600 that we wanted to say in a more rabid 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.639 way so so that's very good for for the 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.040 new councilors I suppose 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:36.160 um she she was a great word Smith she 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.759 could really look at something and and 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.759 make it very palatable and she was a 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:44.920 beautiful person and a beautiful 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.920 presence to have on the committee so all 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.839 of us will really miss her and will 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:52.560 um 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:55.319 and I I know we wish our condolences for 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.600 the the family but I wanted to say 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.360 something on a personal level 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.439 frankly I have been struggling to find 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.399 words to to think about what I think of 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:10.000 the passing of Sheila you know such a 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.079 vibrant as as you said person and um 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.439 in the Jewish tradition we say may you 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.040 live to 120 years to the people that 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:22.120 survive the person and 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:24.839 I think well what am I going to do in my 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.680 120 years and and I guess what I look at 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.879 Sheila's life and 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.000 I guess I want you to reflect on it as 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.399 well as I'm reflecting on it I think 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.720 this woman was an intentional person she 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.439 did good and she did it in an 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.040 intentional way you know she was on our 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.839 committee she was the chair of u3a she 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:53.199 taught yoga and relaxation to people she 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.120 was a vibrant person who rode a bike who 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.279 participated in life and I think you 00:06:59.360 --> 00:06:59.920 know 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.680 I I asked myself how can you learn from 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:04.600 someone who's you know basically just 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.000 dies suddenly and and those are the 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.879 things that that I've learned and I I 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.879 I'm trying to impart that to you too too 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.560 that Sheila 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:18.399 has taught us something thank you 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.720 thank you Frida uh Sheila 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.040 she that face that smile she was warm 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.360 she was engaging she was engaged she 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.519 participated she shared her skills and 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.000 knowledge with everybody the older 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:34.800 person's advisory committee her voice 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.879 was strong and clear and sensible 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.920 she was also a tour guide at the State 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.839 library and it amazes me that this 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:45.959 beautiful woman who Moved home away from 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.160 her father and sister in England she has 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.600 a son in Canada who has just had a baby 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.240 and she moved to here and look what 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.920 she's done she's she's joined she wanted 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.800 to give back to the community that she 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:01.600 so loved she's always been in the city 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:04.160 of Port Phillip it was an awful shock to 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.439 me we came onto OPAC virtually together 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.000 and one of the beautiful things I love 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.120 about OPEC is the friends that I've made 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:13.839 and she was one of them that I thought 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:15.399 this is the start of a lifelong 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:16.839 friendship 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:21.519 and it's not and I myself in a personal 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.319 reflection of thought I just need to 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.800 live your life she was fit she was 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.680 healthy she was so warm and I am very 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.360 sad for Brian and for her family her son 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.799 and her grandchild and I'm sad for us 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:37.240 too because we've lost a real really 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.720 valuable member of this community 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.039 that's it he's talking later 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.639 thank you very much 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.919 now we formally will go to move that 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.559 motion so the motion is that Council 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:54.279 expresses its deep regret for the 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.559 passing of Shirley cranny offers its 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.320 sincere condolences to their family and 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:01.320 the place and places on record it's 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:02.919 appreciation for their service to the 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.080 City Port Phillip councilor Martin to 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.600 move I'd like to second that one so I'll 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.120 put that to the vote all those in favor 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.399 thank you that carries unanimous 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.759 the second condolence motion is for 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:16.559 father Bob McGuire 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:18.879 a social justice campaigner in the 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:20.960 people's priests and sadly passed away I 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.559 believe today I will now refer to 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.039 councilor Peter Martin to speak to the 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:28.360 motion 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.200 firstly can I welcome everyone here in 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:31.720 the gallery I know you're here for other 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.600 reasons but you're here to hear about 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:35.639 two outstanding members of our community 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.559 you've heard about one I don't think I 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:38.759 need to say a whole lot about father Bob 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:40.360 because we all know what father Bob was 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:43.799 like Father Bob was my RI teacher at CBC 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.519 sin Kilda in 1964 and he was an officer 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:48.919 in the cadets with the school Cadets and 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.279 we used to go on Camp together and I've 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:52.559 been able to keep in touch with him for 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.480 many many years I know a lot of the 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:56.200 things that he's done in my role as a 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.200 local school teacher in principal the 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:00.759 help that he's provided to people in our 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:01.840 Port Phillip community Through 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.720 organizations that come open families 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.639 the father Bob Foundation the number of 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:07.960 children that I've referred to Father 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:10.720 Bob who children who've lost parents 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:12.519 children have had issues with the law 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.879 and father Bob and his band of helpers 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.480 have saved so many people from quite 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:21.519 unpleasant lives he's a huge loss I've 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:22.919 got a speech here to write about him but 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.840 I think we all know who he was and he's 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:27.879 been in Port Phillip if he taught me in 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.600 1964 that's 60 almost 60 years ago so 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:32.240 he's been a member of our community for 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:34.799 that length of time and it's very hard 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:36.080 to think of anyone else who's made such 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:38.759 a huge commitment to social justice in 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:40.960 that area than the late father Bob and 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:42.200 there's going to be locked in tomorrow's 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:44.480 paper read about him there and he's 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:47.879 going to be very very sorely missed 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:51.799 thank you 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.399 we've also seek someone to move that 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.440 Council expresses its deep regret on the 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:58.840 passing of Father Bob McGuire offers its 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.240 concer a sincere sorry early in the 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:02.559 night to get Tongue Tied sincere 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.799 condolences to their family and places 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:06.480 on record it's appreciation for their 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:08.039 service to the city of Port Phillip 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.200 councilor Martin to move 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:14.240 counselor niagui to second 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:16.559 all they will put that to the vote all 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.159 those in favor thank you it's Carrie 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.440 Nanos 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:21.679 thank you 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.240 we will now move on to public question 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:25.840 time and submissions 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.240 there are many tonight I think I know of 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.159 at least 32 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.200 has that number changed do you have an 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:33.759 update 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.480 we'll get an update that means we're 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.360 going to limit to two minutes each and I 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:40.120 really request everybody sticks to the 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.039 two minutes we'll have the timer on 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:42.759 um 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:44.360 if there's a question get to the 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.080 question so we can get it answered for 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.000 you and officers answering will also be 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.559 concise we want to get to the end of the 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.200 meeting where everyone's fully thinking 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.679 and delivering for our community if 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:56.159 someone has already said what you want 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:58.240 to say you don't have to speak or you 00:11:58.320 --> 00:11:59.759 can just limit the parts that haven't 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:01.679 been said or would you you don't have to 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.840 say the two minutes if you don't want to 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:09.080 all right is my list ready 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.320 so we're going through first 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.120 we're gonna have the youngest one come 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.399 up here too with your baby I call upon 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.879 Eleanor cousins uh to go first if you'd 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.559 like what do you speaking 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.559 I believe you're speaking to 13.2 which 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:30.720 is the budget what is that right right 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.799 rebate okay yep go ahead thank you very 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:35.559 much okay real quick you have to say 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.000 your name your suburb and then you'll 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:38.639 have the two minutes thank you 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:40.440 uh thank you my name is Eleanor Hassan 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:41.879 fratz apologies my name's different on 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:42.759 the form 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:44.799 um but corrected with the lovely 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:46.559 Christina I think 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.039 um and I live in balaclava 3183 and I'm 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.399 here to speak about the rate rebate and 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.159 why I and my family 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.080 um oppose it so when I was deciding with 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.679 my husband where to live to raise 00:12:57.759 --> 00:12:59.240 children particularly in a changing 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:00.879 climate everywhere was on the table 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.399 instead of a bunker in the bush however 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.039 we ultimately chose the city of Port 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.039 Phillip a vibrant diverse and 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.639 forward-thinking and community-minded 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.360 place during covert sorry zelders 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:14.879 decided to chip in as well you're fine 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:16.440 I'm a mum too do what you need to do 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:18.480 five months old is a great first town 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.799 hall meeting I think there you go 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:22.960 sweetie let's Chuck it back in there 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:24.600 um so during covert we definitely 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:26.360 learned that strong communities fared 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.480 better and strong communities mean 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.320 amenities services and connection all of 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.759 which is the result of money time and 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.000 careful implementation by hard-working 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.200 people such as yourselves so as a 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:40.600 resident of Port Phillip a mother and a 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.120 person deeply committed to this place 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.440 please please keep my money 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.360 keep it and use it with the Mandate that 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.240 we've entrusted you with to better this 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:49.559 community that I've chosen for myself 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:50.679 and my babies 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.919 and for everybody else please do not 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:54.639 rebate the raise rate I don't want that 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.240 money in my pocket I want it here where 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:57.879 it's going to do the most good thank you 00:13:57.960 --> 00:13:58.799 very much 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.000 thank you 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:08.879 okay 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:10.960 I call upon Brian mirrors speaking 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.200 submitting a question to council 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.879 yes 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:19.799 oh we did let you speak first if you 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:21.360 need to leave the baby come and go as 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.759 you need to sorry just letting you know 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.200 um Brian if you can say your name suburb 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:27.480 and then you have two minutes thank you 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:31.559 okay my name's Brian Mears and I live in 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:37.240 12 Queens Lane in Melbourne 3004 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.240 I represent or I'm the chair of the 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.879 Queensland resident Action Group 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.039 do you want me to read the question you 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:45.279 you do your two minutes how you'd like 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.480 to we have a copy of it if it helps that 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.039 if you've got a copy of it and I'm sure 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:53.360 quite a few or a number of members of 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.679 council or Council officers are aware of 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:56.919 the question 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.480 particularly referring to the issue of 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.480 Queens Lane and the lack of traffic 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.799 management and control in that 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.480 environment that the residents in 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:09.039 Queensland 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.120 have been dealing with for perhaps the 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:13.960 last decade and certainly over the last 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:15.720 decade 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.799 things have deteriorated to the extent 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.200 that as multiple developments are on 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.679 foot at the moment and will come 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.480 continue the laneway We Believe will 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.559 deteriorate in terms of safety which is 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:33.399 a prime concern 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.240 overall congestion is is getting worse 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.159 it is unregulated whilst it may be the 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:40.919 intention of the council to regulate it 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.200 it's not apparent to us 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.559 the traffic flows in recent times have 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.480 deteriorated principally because of the 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:52.720 people who are coming across into Arthur 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.039 Street and turning right into the Queens 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:55.919 Lane 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.240 Precinct as a result of the installation 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.360 of bike paths 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:05.159 which is causing a congestion 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.600 which further exacerbates a problem that 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.919 the residents are faced with 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.799 now I understand this is this is an 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:16.919 issue that a number of people in the 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.360 council have acknowledged with me that 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.240 it's there and it's a problem and and 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:22.720 it's been acknowledged that it's been 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:24.799 there for upwards of 10 years 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.679 the last uh 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.919 event that occurred 2017 when the 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:32.919 council intervened and did a traffic 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.240 management plan put some changes to the 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:40.720 Queensland and the the lane from Arthur 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.279 Street forward 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.679 that six years ago was the last time 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:46.559 that's been looked at there are new 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:48.759 developments about to begin the council 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:50.080 has approved them 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.679 the residents that I represent are 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.360 pragmatic they understand that living in 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.320 a city in a high-rise development brings 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:02.080 some positives and some negatives they 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:03.480 understand all that 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.480 but one of the negatives that comes is 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.720 not acceptance of a lack of safety a 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:11.319 lack of control 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:14.920 and a lack of a contemporary 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.440 traffic management plan thank you Brian 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.319 can you come to your question please my 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.400 question is when will a council 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.680 recognize and act on the concerns raised 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:25.480 by the long-suffering rate payers in the 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.440 precinct and end undertake a current 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.519 traffic assessment and introduce 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.079 appropriate traffic flow controls that 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:34.759 will provide reasonable access and 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:36.720 amenity for residents living along the 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:37.680 lane 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:38.960 thank you 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.559 we really do need some help and 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.319 direction from the council 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:45.640 thank you 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:49.880 our fortunately Montague please 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.640 thank you for you man 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:01.319 um we thank the Queensland resident 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:03.160 Action Group for their advocacy and 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.319 feedback around traffic and parking 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.680 issues in Queensland officers have 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:09.160 looked into the request and are 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.440 progressing an investigation that builds 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.319 on reviews and works completed in 2017 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.519 and will consider the feedback provided 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:18.319 by the Queensland resident Action Group 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.640 the current development context and more 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:22.440 recent changes to the road work Road 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:24.839 Network in the area as outlined in the 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:25.680 question 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.839 the investigation has begun and will be 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.000 complete by August 2023 recommendations 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.279 from this investigation will then be 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:35.519 costed and planned to determine the next 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:36.839 steps which will be Community 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.599 communicated to the community community 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:41.799 in particular the Queensland resident 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:43.759 Action Group thank you again for working 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:45.640 with Council around the challenging 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.200 topics of parking and traffic 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:49.359 thank you 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.279 I call upon Isaac Hermann speaking 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.400 submitting a question to council 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.880 Isaac named suburb and we'll put the two 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.160 minute timer on 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.519 pattern 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:03.960 yep when you're ready can you hear me 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.200 all right yes yep Isaac Herman from 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.680 Isaac Herman from Elwood 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:09.400 um 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:11.519 to speak about an issue with Heritage 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:13.759 laneways this is a publication lurking 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:15.400 in Lanes which is a wonderful Council 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:16.759 publication about the history and 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:19.000 appreciation of our lanes we have some 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:21.039 beautiful old laneways they're old 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.559 weathered worn with soft edges and 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.640 Horseshoe clad from horseshoe clad hoofs 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.160 and gentle wheel ruts of by the bygone 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.599 era they remain poetic charming and in 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.079 places gracefully undulating 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.319 unfortunately what they are replaced 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.480 with bears little by way of comparison 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.319 so what is lurking in our beautiful old 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.519 laneways the threat of tons of 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:44.880 impermeable concrete bases and mortar 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.039 joints to add to our about 80 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.680 impermeable surfaces throughout the 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:51.960 municipality in the cities of Port 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:53.920 Phillip and Glen Ira seems that it's 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.440 still opens slather on Old laneways even 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.079 in Heritage overlay areas such as the 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:01.359 once butt-jointed Milton to Edison 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.240 Street's laneway will a puddle in a 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.599 laneway spell its demise the end of its 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.640 cultural heritage value the end of its 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:11.079 permeability 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:12.880 what will children do in a world without 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:14.880 puddles 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:16.839 all right what is this what does all 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:18.599 this mean it means more concrete more 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.880 bitumen a hotter Urban environment and 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:23.440 more toxic runoff when potholes appear 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:26.200 in an old laneway they can be dealt with 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.160 simply with a barrow or two of crushed 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:31.119 rock and that's all that's really 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.880 required so with no adherence to 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.559 Heritage values no adherence to 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:37.480 environmental values and no adherence to 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:39.839 planning Provisions I ask how many once 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.440 permeable laneways have now been sealed 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.519 off and how many more discounts will 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.079 plan to seal and where does all this all 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.240 this new runoff go to 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.759 thus it's going to still ghosts 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:53.680 stormwater outfalls to the Bay which 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:55.920 have been lost to time or to those that 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:58.680 have been found though remain blocked I 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.839 refer here to the ACT and adapt strategy 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.440 page 44 regarding CCTV investigations 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:07.119 has Council found the missing one-third 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.759 of our drainage infrastructure how many 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:12.599 of the 90 yard outfalls to the bay and 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:16.400 the era remain lost 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:19.119 I'd like to know how to council laneway 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:21.200 renewal's conform and hear and compline 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.559 to Council on state policy and legal 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.000 provisions and I'll just list them very 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:28.440 briefly firstly Council Heritage 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.039 guidelines conservation guidelines item 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.559 4.2.1 csiro bains stormwater best 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.920 practice reports stormwater reports on 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.480 bitumen contamination local planning 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.359 policy framework 3.3 State planning 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:46.359 Amendment vc154 for best stormwater 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.759 practice Council sustainability 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:50.920 sustainable environment strategy 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.319 2018-2028 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.119 and importantly 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.839 action 38 from that document where it 00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:59.759 states embed place-based permeability 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:01.319 thank you to maintenance and 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.440 construction thank you I refer I believe 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.000 you're online Mark Thompson 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:09.559 yes thank you through you mayor council 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:11.200 is committed to being a sustainable 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.599 water sensitive City our laneway renewal 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.319 and upgrade program in the planning and 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:17.079 design phase takes into consideration 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:18.400 the council's Heritage laneway 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.680 conservation guidelines local planning 00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:22.079 policy Frameworks sustainable 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.440 environmental strategies and Industry 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:26.680 best practice Council laneways are 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:28.359 surveyed and geotechnical investigations 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:30.839 are carried out to determine existing 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:32.759 levels of soil contamination of the 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:35.079 subsurface current permeability of the 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:37.359 subsoils and the low bearing capacity of 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:38.680 the soils 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:40.799 property owners who share a boundary on 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:42.720 laneways expect the following levels of 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:45.039 service that laneways are free of water 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:47.319 ponding and three of weeds and overgrown 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:48.400 vegetation 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:50.640 Council continues to invest in reducing 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:52.200 the impact of flooding throughout 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.319 throughout our city we have internal 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.680 offices performing cctv's survey of our 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:58.480 Network which drives a proactive 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:00.400 planning program and informs our food 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.200 flow brain on grid flood model we have 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:05.559 installed L'Oreal hydraulic flow sensors 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:07.480 in all our critical pipe infrastructures 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:09.519 to inform and calibrate our flight model 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:11.920 and thank you Mr Herman for sharing your 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.200 concerns we share your passion on 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:16.119 delivering a sustainable water-sensitive 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:17.680 legal City 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.880 thank you Mark thank you thank you Isaac 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:24.319 a call upon Justin passaportes speaking 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.440 to item 10.3 car share policy and final 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.119 engagement findings 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.960 hi Justin name suburb two minutes thank 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:38.880 you 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:40.799 evening mayor and councilors my name is 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:43.480 Justin passaportis I'm here on behalf of 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:46.839 goget car share and over 3 000 residents 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:48.400 and a thousand businesses in the Port 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:50.039 Phillip Community who use our service 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:51.319 every day 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.880 we'd like to thank Council for for 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:56.039 conducting this review into the car 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.200 share policy in a consultative manner 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:01.680 manner and producing a balanced policy 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:05.160 the two that indeed the 2016 policy is 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:07.079 frequently referenced as a model for 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:09.559 local governance all over Australia 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.400 we're pleased to see the high level of 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:12.920 support for car share in the community 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.000 which is affirmed by the council run 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.440 engagement report showing that 91 of 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.960 respondents were supportive of Port 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:23.640 Phillips approach to managing the 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.240 service 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:27.400 go get vehicle use in Port Philip has 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:28.920 already saved three and a half 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.680 kilometers of parking in the city 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:34.480 by adopting this policy Council will be 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.559 taking a practical step to further 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.200 reduce local parking pressure 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.559 council's Target of 330 Bays by 2028 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.200 will increase the benefits of car share 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:50.160 while only utilizing 0.6 percent of the 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:53.079 total available on street parking 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.559 thank you to officers for your hard work 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.480 we had hoped for some aspects to be 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.839 different but commend the intent of the 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.200 policy and look forward to working with 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.079 Port Phillip for the benefit of the 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:09.160 community thank you thank you Jason 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.640 I call upon Christina kins speaking to 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.440 item 10.4 Saint Kilda triangle project 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.119 budget 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.079 hi Christina 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.880 hi good evening mayor and councilors uh 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.400 Christina kinst I live on the Esplanade 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:27.960 in St Kilda I have a very quick question 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.200 about the triangle 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:31.799 um would you kindly tell me who the 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:34.200 music industry consultant is who is 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:37.680 providing the critical advice to the 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.400 triangle feasibility study 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.680 friend Jim Mcneil 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.400 thank you thank you for the question 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.400 through you mayor the consultant is 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.519 Patrick Donovan who is the former CEO of 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:58.400 Music Victoria thank you very much 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.119 thank you van Handel speaking to item 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.839 10.4 Saint Cloud triangle project budget 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:16.079 oh 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:17.519 would that be louder 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:20.960 okay thank you name suburb two minutes 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.680 please I'm uh Shivan Handel I'm from 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:25.000 east Melbourne and I'm the general 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:28.359 manager of smokehouse Precinct uh 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.880 firstly I'd just like to ask why section 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.599 4.16.2 car parking investigation was 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.880 removed from the feasibility testing 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.319 given the current primary utility of the 00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:41.279 triangle site is for parking it seems 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.839 nonsensical that any alteration to the 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:45.400 current site does not consider the cause 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.039 and effect that this alteration would 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.319 have on the vital public amenity 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.359 and also the accessibility this provides 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.519 to local businesses and the public 00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.319 spaces St Kilda has to offer 00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.400 I'd like to request that section 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:01.680 4.16.2 is reintroduced into the 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.079 feasibility testing with the additional 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.279 request for an update of the criteria to 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.759 include consideration for local Traders 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:10.920 and ensuring accessibility to natural 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.200 surroundings and public spaces 00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:15.359 which is Saint kilda's number one assets 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.319 including St Kilda Beach katani Gardens 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.640 and South Beach Reserve 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.160 by removing the car parking 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:24.640 investigation you are effectively 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.759 removing access to these public parks 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:29.200 and beaches and you're continuing in 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.599 your efforts to choke and abstain 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.640 the general public from enjoying Natural 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.359 Resources Saint Kilda has to offer 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.039 like we've already done so with Fitzroy 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:40.920 Street Acklin Street and now Cavill 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.400 Street adjustments 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.559 finally I would like to determine which 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:46.200 I think we already have who the council 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:48.039 intends to engage when seeking advice 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:49.960 from the music industry professionals 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.359 I'd like to ensure that Live Nation and 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.759 other affiliate companies are engaged to 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:56.400 complete this analysis because I believe 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.440 it is evident from the previous three 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:00.680 Live Nation events 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:02.519 on the triangle site that they have a 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.480 vested interest and a symbiotic 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:05.799 relationship with the council in 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:07.559 delivering a live music arena for their 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:09.079 own corporate interest 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:10.720 it's imperative that an alternative 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.839 company a non-affiliated company is 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:14.559 engaged for this purpose 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.440 I know these requests should be 00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:17.759 supported as they are already 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:19.680 acknowledged by the council's livable 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.720 Port Phillip policy whereby the council 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.559 mission statement ensures a community 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.119 access to high quality public spaces 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.440 where it is safer and easy to connect 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.759 and travel within thank you I'm going to 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:35.559 allow that question at the moment that 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.240 car packing investigation was removed 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.640 from facility feasibilities testing in 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.039 that section can you answer that please 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:42.640 Jeffrey McNeil 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:44.680 thank you through you mayor thank you 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.160 for the question uh so I think the 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:48.839 reference to 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.079 4.16.2 is from the September 2022 report 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.920 which outlined the feasibility and what 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.920 would be included in that that scope 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.319 hasn't changed so the car parking is 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.559 still in that scope and that is part of 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.759 the investigation so what's happening at 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.559 the moment is that we're looking at if 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.960 you combine you know different things on 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.079 the triangle what can you fit including 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.200 car parking and then that leads to a 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:16.079 really 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.119 good 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.680 ability to have a trade-off conversation 00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:22.480 so if you have this and this and this 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.440 what can fit and what can't fit and then 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:27.279 there's a decision-making process around 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.319 that so the car parking is definitely 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.160 being assessed including looking at some 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.000 user information over summer so looking 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.400 at well what are people doing when they 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.079 come to the triangle and park there 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:39.960 where are they going so we're definitely 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:43.440 interested in that information and 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:45.960 was there another part to that question 00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:47.799 about car parking sorry I've forgotten I 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.599 just wanted to ensure that that was 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.640 considered as part of it and then I 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.640 think along with 4.16.2 it had certain 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.920 criteria but it didn't include any 00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.799 consideration for local business or 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.319 access to public public spaces 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.880 three if I can just add then that you 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:07.319 know what we're doing at the moment is 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.319 looking at uh What did the what did the 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.079 master plan that considered all of those 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.400 things say and then what parts of the 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.119 master plan are still relevant today 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.279 when things have changed and moved but 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.920 what hasn't changed and what can that 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.200 tell us and also what's new and what do 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.759 we want to take that's useful from that 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.799 and then add to with current thinking so 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:29.759 definitely all of those things that were 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.440 included in that will be considered as 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.119 well sure thanks thank you I just want 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.440 to clarify that I'm allowing some 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:37.599 questions on this item because we may 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.039 consider taking some items and block 00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.279 that may be removed can we come back to 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:42.680 counselor question time or do you have a 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:44.559 clarifying 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.039 okay if you can do it in counselor 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:47.960 question time even though it's normally 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.400 for the atom so thank you Hugh 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.799 um I call upon Nathan Klassen speaking 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.319 to item 10.4 Saint Kilda triangle 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:59.279 project budget in general it's speaking 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.960 to items on it if there's a question 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.440 generally a counselor may take it up 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.440 during the item 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.759 if that makes sense 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:14.279 no worries uh Nathan Classen uh Richmond 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.799 three one two one however I'm the CEO of 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:20.160 Luna Park Melbourne uh the American 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.720 councilors my question is in relation to 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:24.559 the Saint Kilda triangle project budget 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.640 review under Section 2.1 it's noted that 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.440 the council elected to progress with 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.039 option two of the stage one works for 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.440 the triangle car park it is of grave 00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.400 concern that this option did not include 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.880 initial Community engagement when this 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.680 would be a vital part of ensuring the 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.119 council is best informed about making a 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.440 decision on this investment 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.319 however it is later outlined that 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.920 section 4.5 makes note that as a matter 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.440 of urgency and after the fact a saint 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.680 Kilda Triangle Car Park usage survey was 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.240 conducted over the summer and provided 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.039 to council with a better understanding 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:01.920 of how the saint Kilda Triangle Car Park 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.240 is used and the direct and indirect 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.319 impact of a possible reduction in the 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.079 car park capacity on local businesses in 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:10.440 the broader community 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:13.799 again this is us this is a concern that 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.519 has been raised time and time again over 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.039 the past 18 months with respect to the 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.480 importance of the current parking 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.759 capacity of the triangle as a local 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:22.960 business 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:24.759 we did not receive any notification 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:26.759 about the survey nor were we given the 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:28.799 opportunity to weigh in on the impacts 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.960 can the council consider an impact 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.079 assessment to be conducted on local 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:34.960 businesses before progressing with the 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:36.640 design particularly if there is an 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.079 intended possibility of a reduction in 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.640 car park capacity in the future and 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:43.599 secondly when can we expect the 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.799 community and its local businesses to be 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.160 consulted and engaged on the matter of 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.759 such a vital public amenity 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.160 something that you can respond to now on 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.640 that thank you thank you through you 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:57.640 mayor 00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.880 at the moment what has been considered 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:01.599 by Council and what council has asked 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.079 officers to investigate is the idea of 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.240 including a music venue on a performance 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.880 venue on the triangle and so at the 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.400 moment we're looking at is there 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.440 appetite for that is there a market is 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.920 there demand and then what might fit on 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.559 the triangle including car parking and 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.920 that then will be reported back to 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.039 council and all of the information that 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:28.920 we're generating that we can make public 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.720 we will be making public so that that 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.400 survey that was undertaken the results 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.759 of that will be made public along with 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.839 other investigative material that we 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.559 generate that's we're able to share and 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.440 that's all leading to helping Council 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.400 decide whether or not to proceed with an 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.559 anchor of a live music venue performance 00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.880 venue and the next step from that would 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.079 be to do further investigations and that 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.960 could include things like doing impact 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.319 assessments but a lot of work is 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.920 required following on from making a 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.839 decision from by Council to to proceed 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.640 with the music venue live music 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.519 performance that's the first decision 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.400 for Council whether or not to proceed 00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.360 with a project and whether to proceed 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.000 with that as the core part of the 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.800 project if the next step was decided to 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.320 be undertaken by Council officers would 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.440 propose then an engagement plan and a a 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:27.760 broader project plan that would include 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.559 all of the different elements for 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.280 consideration by Council 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.000 thank you Joe McNeil thank you Nathan 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.039 I call upon Peter Holland speaking to 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:37.920 item 10.4 thank you triangle project 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.400 budget 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.480 hi Peter name suburb two minutes please 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.679 Peter Hollens and killed on behalf of 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.880 unshane Port Phillip uh look we've got 00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.280 here an opportunity to get a first-rate 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.320 cultural and entertainment Precinct at 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.320 the triangle and that was what was 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.760 envisaged by the original sin Kilda 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.840 foreshore Urban Development framework 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:11.679 um so tonight we're dealing with a 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.360 preliminary step that would lead 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.480 possibly to a site brief and an 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.719 invitation to Tender and a request from 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:20.440 officers to spend an extra sixty 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.760 thousand dollars on preparing that 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.360 preliminary step and Unchained supports 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.519 that so I'd just like to say five things 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.639 briefly about this stage of the project 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.320 first of all the council's master plan 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:38.400 in 2016 broadly complies with the vision 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.079 in the Urban Design framework it needs 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.679 some flexibility because the master plan 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.280 was envisaging an art gallery so clearly 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:49.760 as the officers have said in their 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.519 report we need some flexibility there 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.960 secondly there is an additional thing 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.599 that's occurred and that is that in 2018 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.960 Council and the state government set up 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.199 an international design competition to 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.119 bring art and renewable energy into the 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.480 council's master plan and That Was Won 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.239 by Melbourne Consortium and I would urge 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.039 officers and councilors to arrange a 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.079 briefing for councilors on lagi I'm sure 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:20.679 that the Melbourne Consortium would be 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.239 quite happy to present their ideas 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.679 thirdly in live music and the 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.000 information I mean I think it's quite 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:30.960 clear that live music is an appropriate 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.920 use of the site it's part of the history 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.639 of the site but what we would ask for is 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.039 that the Patrick Donovan is the music 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.679 consultant be asked to provide full 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.440 information about who it is that he's 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.719 consulted what promoters Etc and what 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.039 they've been saying about the various 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:49.920 needs and possibilities for live music 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.960 so that the councilors can make a better 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.400 informed decision and the community also 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.599 oh and I think we should look outside 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.119 the envelope perhaps um you know 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.000 something you stream like a BHP Center 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.119 for World music and culture I might 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.239 prepare a one-pager on that one and 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.880 fifthly and most importantly where's the 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.559 state government here because Council of 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.480 Bond's original motion back in August 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:18.079 2021 00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.480 envisaged the council working with the 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.440 state and federal government to prepare 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.199 a business plan so quite an intimate 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.320 relationship but the current report 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.440 gives the very little regard to the 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.159 state government just that an advocacy 00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.679 program will be developed at some stage 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.239 in the future and yet the state 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.639 government's got the expertise in major 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.360 projects it's got the contracts it's got 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.199 the funding in fact perhaps the state 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.320 government should be asked to fund half 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.719 of the development at this stage thank 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.320 you Peter all the best with your 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.639 deliberations and fingers crossed thank 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.920 you 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:57.880 all right I call upon Bruce Kinney 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.280 Kennedy sorry I'm reading funny Bruce 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.360 Kennedy I only know you by Bruce 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.360 speaking to item 12.1 Carlisle Street 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.039 special rate review considerations of 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:10.840 submission all right thank you hi Bruce 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.480 I'm suburb two minutes Bruce Kennedy uh 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.760 Carnegie three one six three 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:18.719 uh thanks for the opportunity to speak 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.039 on this matter I've been a trade on 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.119 Carlisle Street for 17 years and I can 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.239 say that the poor cousin Carlos 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:26.920 Richardson Kilda is in the best 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.480 condition I've ever seen it full 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.079 activation full tendency full potential 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.440 but Carlos chip balaclava is a different 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.239 matter empty shops no banks limited 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:39.639 opportunity for cash withdrawals 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.039 continual decline in retail Dynamic and 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.760 diversity social and behavioral problems 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.039 Publix not effectively met by a Trader's 00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.679 Association talking binraps branding and 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:51.760 Buskers 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:53.880 the council to wash their hands of 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.960 responsibility by encouraging the 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.639 emergence of a trading Traders 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.760 Association that can never address the 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.199 fundamental issues at play here is very 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:03.400 disappointing 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.880 to impose a new charge a new business 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.199 cost on struggling businesses without 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.599 addressing the actual issues is socially 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:13.320 irresponsible 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.039 empty shops due to high rents shops 00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.639 being emptied due to development plans 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.119 and the fact that 700 Council workers no 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:23.800 longer attend the office Monday to 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.079 Friday are behind any retail malaise 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.480 the information from Traders Association 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.280 in relation to council monies that have 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.599 been spent and also as to where special 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:37.960 every monies are to be spent is so 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:40.119 incomplete non-transparent and 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.159 simplistic as to provide no confidence 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.079 in their management of Traders 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.400 hard-earned funds 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.880 how much economic activity that is sales 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:49.960 has this Association generated in the 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.519 last 12 months thank you 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.199 thank you Bruce 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.280 great Cafe across the street from 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.480 Bruce's Cafe a little endorsement there 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.800 hey 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.719 speaking to item 12.1 Carlisle Street 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.760 special white review 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:09.639 hi algar 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.760 if you could say your name 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.679 and suburb you'll have two minutes 00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.599 uh is the red light on 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.119 yeah okay good evening mayor councilors 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.840 my name's Igor Vayner I work at Vayner 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.199 Optical one for one Carlos rubella clava 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.239 I am the deputy uh 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.199 Deputy behind the um the deputy chair 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.280 for the association and also the 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.440 treasurer for the association I'm here 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:40.840 in front of you to show full support for 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.320 the association and for the special Levy 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.519 that's to be asked for to be raised uh 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:48.880 there are lots of reasons for these 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.079 associations but mainly too that I will 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.000 bring up and just and to show you uh the 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:56.079 purpose of those 00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:00.239 um the uh our main adjacent suburbs from 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.559 Fitzroy Street Ackland Street Port 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.320 Melbourne all of those streets have got 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.480 this Association they all run very well 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.639 to the point where they've all been 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.719 extended for more than five years and 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.840 many more up to 20 years in Port 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.400 Melbourne from what I understand and 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.320 that indicates that that Association 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.800 does work this uh the association itself 00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:26.440 stands for promoting and marketing the 00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.639 street to get us on the area to improve 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:34.760 its potential growth and the economic it 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:36.519 is at the moment with all the empty 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.760 stores that was mentioned before we can 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.920 sit there we can cry about it we can 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.760 point our fingers but I think it's time 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.760 to stand up and do things ourselves 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.159 uh the second point that I'd like to 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.519 raise is that most shops and businesses 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.079 in Carlow Street are family businesses 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.239 there's not many franchise stores and 00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.079 what that does mean is that uh the 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.760 overall look on the business is a little 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:02.440 bit different to a larger organization 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.159 larger organizations have got plans that 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.400 pay a lot of money for marketing 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.760 advisors promotional advisors we as 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.719 independent stores or mother father 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.760 stores are Peter looking at wages and 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.239 comparing it to the previous years or 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.039 previous month's income 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.320 I think it's extremely important to have 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.199 this Association to improve our area 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.000 and the more important as a conclusion 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.440 it we cannot afford not to have it thank 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.960 you thank you 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.079 perfect timing too 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.079 okay I call upon Graham I don't have a 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.239 last name but you can tell us your last 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.679 name speaking to item 12.1 Carlow Street 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.960 special rate review 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.119 thank you mayor thank you councilors my 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.039 name is Graeme Halperin I'm an owner of 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.760 one of these shops in the street that's 00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.840 empty landlord of the particular shop 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.000 I'm here because I actually pose what 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:04.639 the association is proposing and opposed 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.280 with special Levy and I do so for a 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:07.440 number of reasons first of all the 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.960 support form that has been circulated 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:12.360 asks about businesses supporting the 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.719 establishment of a marketing and 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.840 business Improvement program funded by 00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.199 the levy the fact of the matter is is 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.000 that based on the material that's been 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.000 circulated we're dealing with a 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:25.519 situation where there's no plans if you 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.079 go to paragraph 4.14 of the meeting 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.159 notes it's currently developing a 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.000 business plan as well as a budget and an 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:33.599 action plan this suggests that there is 00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.840 some sort of plan that's in existence 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.400 there is nothing and the point is made 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.760 Again by paragraph 2.7 of your notes the 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.239 fact of the matter is you can market and 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.199 promote as much as you like the reality 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:47.800 is that as the point that was well made 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:49.320 before there are no banks there's no 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.840 Cinemas there's no entertainment veteran 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.519 news really to speak of in the street 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.079 there's no petrol station even anymore 00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:59.199 there's no Bunnings there's no Office 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.960 Works there's nothing would draw people 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:02.480 to the streets you can Mark and promote 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.440 as much as you like but the reality is 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:06.239 why would you come I mean there's some 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:10.079 suggestion of having creating uh artwork 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:11.440 in the street 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:13.599 street art which to me is just another 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.280 another lot of graffiti we've already 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.000 got plenty of graffiti in the street the 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:18.119 reality is that people aren't going to 00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:19.519 come there to enjoy the street art 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:20.880 they're going to come there because they 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.519 need services that just don't exist 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.519 there's no Medicare as I said no banks 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.320 or anything of that nature in the street 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.320 so I think we need to look at longer 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:30.840 term planning the reality is that 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.800 somewhere like Elston week which has a 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.159 cinema has Banks Etc 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.480 has not only flourished because of that 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:38.679 not just because it has an association 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.039 I'm well acquainted with Elston week the 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:44.000 reality is is that they went on building 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.119 they've brought in a lot of residences 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.280 in that area there's now a 13-story 00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:50.719 tower residential Tower going up in the 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.400 street towards the napian highway and 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.000 you need and there's also obviously been 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.360 the development of the um called 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.000 Supermarket area where there's a lot 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:00.599 more residential accommodation there is 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.360 brought people to the street that is why 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:04.719 the Huntley Road Elston week is 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.079 succeeding whereas this street is not so 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.119 promoting and marketing isn't going to 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.119 be the answer you need to reimagine the 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.159 street you need to reinvent what this 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:19.000 street does thank you Graham thank you 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.079 I call upon Peter McNabb speaking to 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.760 item 12.1 Carlisle Street special rate 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.159 review 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.480 hi Peter name suburb you have two 00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:34.679 minutes please 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.920 Peter McNabb from sorry Hills I'm 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.840 speaking tonight on behalf of the Carlos 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.480 Street Traders Association 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.920 which I've been involved for the last 20 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.239 months 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:47.440 um 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.840 it's 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.840 over the last period of time I've been 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.480 working with Carlisle Street in the same 00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:55.480 way that I worked with Port Melbourne 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.639 Fitzroy Street and Ackland street over 00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:59.440 the last 20 years in initially 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.599 establishing the special rate programs 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.840 there watching them develop and emerge 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.719 and being renewed on multiple occasions 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.960 since that period of time 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:13.719 um I think that the key thing is that 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:15.239 the association has definitely made 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.719 progress over that period of time it's 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.960 moved from providing a simple brochure 00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.000 about the ideas we're proposing to 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.400 developing a business plan to developing 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.719 a action plan and budget for the next 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.000 period of time this is a five-year 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.400 business plan it's supplemented by and 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:34.320 that those documents have been provided 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.960 to the council by Mike Byer and the 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.159 president of the association who's 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:41.000 unfortunately because of working in the 00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:44.440 business tonight is unable to attend 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.360 um there are key benefits of this first 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:48.360 of all it does provide a secure source 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.719 of funding for the next five years which 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:52.840 means that it is able to do a lot of 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:56.880 activities to do the reimagining for the 00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.360 street and also to deliver some 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:00.480 practical programs and that actually 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.000 gives the association control over its 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:04.840 Destiny and it means that there's 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:06.840 probably less reliant on Council and 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.920 other funds to do things in the street 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.760 secondly 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.719 um the key benefit is that it's 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.199 providing a reasonable budget to do 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.360 these range of things and the amount of 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.119 money that's being proposed is very 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.159 similar in terms of total amount and 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.800 benefits and individual contributions to 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:28.440 what is currently paid in Port Melbourne 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.119 Fitzroy Street and Ackland Street 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.960 third thing is that it provides a 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.719 Precinct coordinator which is a key 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.159 person who is able to work on the ground 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.559 with the businesses and actually develop 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.159 up an ambitious program and that program 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.119 will involve more than marketing it'll 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.719 include Business Development activities 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:48.880 on the right 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:50.719 so we've got a whole package of things 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:52.519 that I think can be delivered and I 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.960 strongly support the council making it 00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.480 happen thank you Peter 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.159 is that going to require Peter to come 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.719 back down so I can yes please sorry all 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.519 right please keep it concise yes I just 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.280 wanted to ask you or clarify we've heard 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.679 some speakers suggest that there's not a 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.920 business plan or 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.159 at the moment could you clarify is there 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.000 a business plan or when you would expect 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:29.360 one to be made available 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.119 a five-year business plan it has been 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:36.360 adopted by the committee and will be 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.920 available to all businesses in the 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.920 center and to uh to have further 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.360 discussions about it has it been 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.840 released to them yet not yet not yet 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:47.000 okay thank you it is about to be 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:49.480 released thank you 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.960 I call upon Ronald Siri speaking to item 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.880 12.1 Carlisle Street special rate review 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.599 thank you for the opportunity to um to 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.239 speak my name is Ronald Siri I live in 00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.760 paran3181 and I'm speaking on behalf of 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.840 at least 17 traders who are opposing the 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.480 intention to declare the special rate 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:18.159 the issues facing uh bricks and mortar 00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.800 retailers are worldwide and whether it's 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.320 the whether it's in the UK which is the 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.119 home of the High Street Shopping Center 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.559 or in the shopping malls in the US the 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:31.960 the retailers in Melbourne are facing 00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:35.559 insurmountable problems and this Levy 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.559 that's being proposed in all honesty is 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.320 not going to make any difference one of 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.440 the councilors has been known to say 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.719 that hopefully the levy will be able to 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:48.840 bring the street back to its former 00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.159 glory I think it's very important to 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.440 understand that the former glory days 00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.400 are gone and the issues facing our 00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.320 bricks and mortar retailers now are 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.440 quite major I've heard tonight people 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.920 mentioning respective associations in 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.679 Ackland Street and in Fitzroy Street and 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.159 mindful of the two minutes 00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:11.880 um 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.199 Eckland Street Fitzroy Street and I 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.960 think Fitzroy Street was shown on Monday 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:18.280 night with National 9 news as a disaster 00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:22.360 the anti-social behavior that occurs in 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.840 Fitzroy street that the 27 vacancies at 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.760 the moment in aklin Street uh show you 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.880 what the Traders associations have been 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.760 able to do unfortunately it's a losing 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:36.360 battle and unfortunately raising money 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.280 at this point of time where shopkeepers 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:41.480 have been facing Rising costs 00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.239 electricity cost Supply chains 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.639 and and and labor issues now is not the 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.280 time to be raising another tax now is 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.440 the time to be looking at the broader 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.159 overall problems and in the first 00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.320 instance cleaning up the act before 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.519 anyone invites anyone to their home for 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.519 dinner they clean up the house 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.719 unfortunately the shopping precincts in 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.679 this area they're dirty the anti-social 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.400 Behavior must be dealt with first prior 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:15.760 to spending any more of any poor Traders 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.599 funds the procedure Section 1 7 Section 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.719 163 is fantastic when it comes to 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.239 infrastructure projects where you can 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:26.880 see that there's a tangible result or 00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:30.239 there is a benefit to the actual rate 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.559 payers in this instance there are no 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.920 benefits this sadly is simply throwing 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.960 money from throwing money away that was 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.960 the only two minutes thank you very much 00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.559 foreign 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.639 do you have her no yes I do no 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.760 yes okay so Amir 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.880 sorry let's be clarifying question 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:55.719 please ah 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:57.400 quickly it's 00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.599 um 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:04.679 oh sorry I I was just wondering 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:06.840 um given that the previous gentleman 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.480 spoke about a uh a plan has not yet been 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.719 I heard what you said 00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:14.559 um and the you know the uh negative 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:15.960 impacts that are happening at the moment 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.360 but I'm just wondering if um the 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:19.719 previous gentleman 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.719 um for the Traders Association were to 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.159 share that plan would that possibly 00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.519 change your position 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.360 okay actually because you're not on the 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.960 microphone people online can't hear 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:36.280 however 00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:37.360 what 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.639 don't know certainly the the a business 00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:44.880 plan would be would show and and show 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.960 some benefit to to various um to the 00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:49.719 possibility but however where are the 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.880 chem we are where are the kpis where are 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.679 the benchmarks where's the review 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.920 process to see if there's any success 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.719 success where we're at today as I said 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.840 last Monday 27 vacant shops in Ackland 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.119 Street Monday night Channel 9 News 00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:05.480 showing the actual search thank you 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.199 we're going again over content you've 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.000 already said thank you very much let's 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:11.960 make sure our clarifying questions 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.119 uh don't rehash a debate that's not the 00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.400 point of them please all right I call 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.440 upon Joanna lamb online speaking of item 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.920 12.1 Carlisle Street special rate review 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.920 Joanne are you there 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.239 bye 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:30.159 hi Joanna can you say your name suburb 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.599 and you'll have two minutes to speak to 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:32.679 the item 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.880 all right um my name is Joanna Lam 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:37.320 um 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.760 from elsinwig actually 3185 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.920 um but I'm the proprietor of The Bella 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:45.719 Glover laundry 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.920 um so I'm also opposing the special Levy 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.639 um Everybody who've spoken against today 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.920 has covered all the points I probably 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.199 don't want to you know waste time and go 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:57.840 through everything but I fully support 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.480 all those who have opposed it 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.800 um my point being there are some of us 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.280 in the zone that are way further away 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.519 from Colorado Street and potentially 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.280 um the activities or the promotions 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:16.079 I feel may not benefit businesses like 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.480 myself which is a laundromat catering to 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:20.960 just local residences it's not likely 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:22.559 that any promotion is going to bring 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.119 people in with you know basketball soft 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:27.880 laundry so we're just asking for the 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.960 option to opt out of that Association 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:33.880 and the levies that are going to be 00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:34.960 imposed 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.559 thank you Joanna thank you I call upon 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:40.800 Jessica Robinette speaking of iron 12.1 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.039 Carlisle Street special rate review 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.039 hi Jessica 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:52.320 hi 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.639 um I'm Jessica Robinette Saint Kilda 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.719 East 3183 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.239 um I am the owner of voodoo love child 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.440 Speakeasy I am for the special right 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:06.599 um 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.280 I'm here to highlight the benefits of 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.800 The Five-Year Plan for St Kilda oh sorry 00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.199 Carlisle Street balaclava especially the 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:15.960 special rate being requested and why 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:17.719 it's a vital proposal for our community 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.239 our village needs opportunities to help 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.199 uplift the visible the visible 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.519 and physical appearance more than ever 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:27.960 our village should reflect the beautiful 00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.239 people who make up our community we are 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:31.719 a culturally diverse Community who 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:33.599 should strive to work together for the 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:35.960 betterment of our neighborhood 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.480 through creation of community events 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.760 we allow positivity to flourish back 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:42.480 into our community building a sense of 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:44.400 belonging and togetherness it'll help 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:45.480 bridge 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.239 it'll help bridge in the gaps that widen 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:50.159 during the pandemic such as curbing the 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:51.960 anti-social Behavior 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.119 these people who are anti-social they 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.039 need something you know the more we have 00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.000 build a community and the stronger we 00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.079 feel included and belonging 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.960 helps it greatly and if you exclude them 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.800 it doesn't help anything it just it just 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.880 keeps continuance that vicious cycle 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.000 through this business plan small 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.440 business owners can give you a given an 00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.760 opportunity to access to have access to 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.920 Professional Services and expertise such 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:22.920 as social media PR media coverage 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.199 marketing and business development 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.239 I know how to pour a drink but I really 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.800 don't know much about marketing and if 00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.480 someone could do that I would free up a 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:34.079 lot of my time and I'm sure a lot of 00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.599 other owners times doing things that we 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:38.920 know what to do 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.840 we I don't know anything about marketing 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:42.760 but I much rather delegate that to 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.840 somebody else any day 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:47.000 um 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:49.960 it'll it would strengthen businesses and 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.920 help strengthen businesses and help 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.079 support longevity our village needs to 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.519 improve our value and what a better way 00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:01.039 to utilize the resource 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:04.239 um yeah that's the two minutes but thank 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:08.000 you very much for coming down Jessica 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.119 thank you I'm going to go back to 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:12.119 Jennifer Edge you have a question hi 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:13.920 Jennifer you have a question of counsel 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:15.639 in general correct 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.000 sorry if we missed you in the first 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:18.760 section 00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.119 come on down name suburb and two minutes 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.920 when you're ready 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:33.280 uh GNH St Kilda Community Development 00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.519 um my questions are twofold in relation 00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:38.239 to 10.1 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.199 I had an on-site meeting with Shane Hall 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:42.840 the tree man 00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.199 was taken aback to find out that the 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:49.000 product he recommended to me was Roundup 00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:51.840 a banned substance so I won't be around 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.239 for the discussion of that I'm going to 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.320 leave 00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:57.639 but I look forward to the minutes so 00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:59.800 you're looking at I am 10.1 just to 00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:01.719 clarify not a question okay and the 00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:06.119 second uh one was in regard to 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.719 residents received this communal glass 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.840 recycling Hub brochure 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.599 we'd already received letters about Fogo 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.440 I've been asking since uh 2016 and 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.760 certainly through various Avenues of 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.199 council since 2018 as an Avenue to deal 00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.440 with the ongoing anti-social Behavior 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.079 violence domestic violence 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.280 the problems that we have of drug use 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.840 and Jim Duggan reserve and alcohol abuse 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.800 that outdoor exercise equipment be 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.119 prioritized into that area as previous 00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:44.000 speakers have said in relation to 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.440 Carlisle Street they need something else 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.400 to do mental health is an issue exercise 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.960 is an issue accessing Health Services is 00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:58.360 an issue and I strongly ask the council 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.360 to reconsider and use the limited space 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.880 that we have in Jim Duggan Reserve 00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.840 for outdoor exercise equipment rather 00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.719 than a glass recycling Hub which we've 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:11.960 had no consultation on 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.800 thank you thank you 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:17.480 all right just give me a rundown of the 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.800 meeting we have the next speakers I have 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.079 are for 13.2 which is the draft council 00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:24.280 plan we're going to go through those 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.559 we're already an hour into the meeting I 00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:29.239 will take a break after these and after 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.239 counselor question time 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:34.199 so thank you everybody there's Council 00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.840 officers 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.519 all right so a break is coming but not 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:40.480 yet 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.760 I call upon Milos ristick speaking to 00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.960 item 13.2 draft council plan 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.400 good eating everyone clean counselors 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.840 and yeah thank you name suburb you have 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.440 two minutes my name is milosh uh 00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:02.440 I live in San Diego East 01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:06.719 I'm a former infantry Soldier and uh 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:10.039 currently a logistics officer 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:13.599 I'm here to play for the race to be 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.719 freezed and I'll give him I'll State my 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.760 reasons uh the main reason being 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:21.840 I've just had my son born a few months 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.280 ago and my first son and I realized 01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.199 their life is very dear 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.000 and we should cherish 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.599 has everyone already surely 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.280 has at some stage known every minute and 01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.639 every second and every moment 01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:37.440 so what I'm asking is for everyone to 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.039 just slow down 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:40.760 uh 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:42.639 slow down 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:44.079 um 01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.480 there's so many projects that I hear 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.079 about and I think are fantastic everyone 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.719 has projects they don't agree with 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:55.480 um 01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.519 there's no reason for me to go into that 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.519 my my personal opinions but 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.199 there's no reason for everything to be 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.079 done at once 01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:05.559 uh 01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:07.480 there is so much that can be left for 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:09.760 later 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.920 um 01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:14.880 I guess time spent with family is really 01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.000 important and 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:18.639 I just want to say 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.960 I don't need the two minutes so I'm just 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:22.920 asking for a Slowdown 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:24.480 on 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:26.239 people who like to exercise there are 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:27.719 already there is already equipment 01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:31.079 people like to cycle 01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:32.920 you can there's nothing stopping you 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:34.920 from recycling 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:36.119 um 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.719 as far as finances are spent which is 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.320 why everyone is here I believe for most 01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:42.599 people 01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:44.639 uh 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.960 I mean have you just gone to the park 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.880 for a walk you know what when's the last 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:52.079 time you just gone for a walk 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:54.880 thanks 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:58.480 thank you uh okay Council apparel has a 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:00.199 question for you 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.400 so I don't know how much your house is 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.159 worth I don't want to know but the the 01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.320 the 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.199 through a waiver a rebate for use of a 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.159 bit of wood or a rape 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:16.679 um cut would equate to 20 to 50 or 01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:18.199 something of that fruit 01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.360 um order every year a lot of people do 01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:22.719 exactly that they laugh and they think 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:24.159 it's a bit of a joke what would that 01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:28.039 money mean to you and your family budget 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:33.280 fifty dollars is 10 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:38.239 I was about 10 days of food 01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:43.199 maybe I'm exaggerating but a week 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.840 because we 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:50.159 you you you kind of learn to cut down 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.320 um 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.320 uh that says that's right thank you 01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:58.320 thank you very much appreciate your time 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.599 coming down tonight I call upon Janine 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.159 Burke speaking to item 13.2 draft 01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.960 council plan 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.400 hello Janine Burke Elwood St Kilda 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.440 Historical Society 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:14.159 uh in 2018 this and kill the historical 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.159 society was delighted to receive ten 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:18.880 thousand dollars from the cultural 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.280 Development Fund to commemorate the art 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.159 and life of murkamora the Beloved local 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.400 figure who'd recently died 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:28.519 I researched and wrote a substantial 01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:31.239 essay exploring murka's significance as 01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:34.960 an artist gallerist restaurateur teacher 01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.519 writer and Vivid Community member there 01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:39.639 was also a series of filmed interviews 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:41.960 with murder's family close friends and 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.400 colleagues many of whom Wilson killed of 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.480 residents the memorial service for murka 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:49.320 at the Palais where hundreds gathered 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.440 where Daniel Andrews provided presided 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.000 with a then mayor of St Kilda Bernadine 01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:56.719 Voss was an honored guest where 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.480 America's Family took the stage was also 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:01.199 included 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.119 it was a large and complex project and 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.119 the results can be viewed on this in 01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:08.719 Kilda Historical Society website 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:10.920 what if it hadn't happened 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.239 what what the cultural Development Fund 01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:16.360 has been slashed by eighty seven 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:17.639 thousand dollars 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.960 one of this marvelous array of artworks 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.159 and interviews this historically 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:25.480 significant events were not recorded 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:29.159 Would we not now regret this I feel that 01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.199 murka is on my side 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:33.400 say yes to city of Port Phillips 01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:37.199 community of creatives saying no to the 01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:39.960 cuts to the lifeblood of funding sin 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.599 Kilda is creativity and creativity takes 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.639 money to rise 01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:49.039 thanks thank you Janine 01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.199 okay so we don't have Simon Brown so I'm 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:57.400 going to move on to I called upon 01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:58.599 Richard Whitfield 01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:01.440 speaking to item 13.2 the draft council 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:03.679 plan 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:09.960 hi Richard I do have something you 01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:11.880 submitted here so you can read that out 01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:14.000 or say what you do I'm going to ignore 01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.719 that okay not a problem 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:18.639 um name suburb and you have two minutes 01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.599 please my name's Richard Whitfield I 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:25.679 live in Port Melbourne 3207 01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:27.840 um I'm here to 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:33.400 speak against any proposal for a rate 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:37.119 rebate or a rate freeze 01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.920 to Echo earlier comments 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:44.960 I'm happy to pay my rates and I want to 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.360 pay my rates what I want is for the city 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:52.960 of Port Melbourne to improve and to 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.679 improve the the standard of living that 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.719 of everyone who lives here I also want 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.360 the city of Port Melbourne to spend 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:04.960 money on combating climate change 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:08.199 and to do that it takes money and I'm 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.199 happy to contribute that to that 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:14.639 I would hope and fully expect that 01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:17.199 improve that in improving the quality of 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.360 life within the city of Port Phillip 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.239 that there are targeted programs that 01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:26.000 can help people with special needs 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:29.719 so but it doesn't require 01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:33.760 a general rate rate rebate or a general 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.960 freeze on rates to achieve that goal and 01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:40.840 to achieve equity in in how we move 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:41.880 forward 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.519 so that's all I had to say that I oppose 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.880 the rate rebate and I oppose any rate 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.760 phrase thank you thank you Richard 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:53.880 I call upon run a small 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:58.519 speaking to item 13.2 draft council plan 01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:00.760 Rhonda small 01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:02.559 she's online sorry oh yeah sorry there's 01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.199 a sorry hi Rhonda are you online 01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:11.599 oh hey Rhonda I think you need to unmute 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:15.880 you need to accept to unmute is that the 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:17.559 wording 01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:19.480 scent looks I got some head shaking 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:21.159 positive 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.320 Rhonda can you try 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.280 I think I finally managed yeah we have 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:28.559 you hello 01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.920 thank you very much you know name server 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.239 every two minutes please the Rhonda 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.119 small sent Hilda 3182 01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:40.679 the one-off rebate of 3.5 recommended in 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:43.079 the draft council plan and budget for 23 01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:45.960 and 24. is said to be in recognition of 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:47.960 cost of living pressures experienced by 01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:49.920 the citizen support Philip 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:52.199 but who is faring worse because of these 01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:55.079 pressures arguably it is our renters 01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:58.119 they comprise a whopping 49 of our 01:07:58.199 --> 01:07:59.960 City's residents and they face soaring 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:01.320 rents 01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:03.639 our renters includes all the single 01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:05.400 women people with disabilities women 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:07.840 raising children alone students and 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:09.639 people living on income support trying 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:12.119 to make ends meet these are the members 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:13.920 of our community doing it the toughest 01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:15.199 at the moment 01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.800 and what they pay in rent funds the 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:19.880 rates paid by their property owning 01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:21.159 landlords 01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:23.199 so all citizens contribute to the rate 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:25.159 Revenue that councils use to fund 01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:26.680 community services and local 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.399 infrastructure yet it is only individual 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:31.159 property owners who would benefit from 01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.159 the proposed rate rebate and rate payers 01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:35.840 earning the highest value properties 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:38.920 will receive the largest rebates where 01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.680 is the equity in all this 01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:43.720 providing a one-off rebate will cost the 01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:46.119 city 4.4 million dollars in Revenue in 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:49.319 2324 and effectively put money intended 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:51.159 for Community benefit into the pockets 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.560 of individual property owners 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:55.479 if as counselors you really want to 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.159 address cost of living pressures for 01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:59.600 residents the focus must surely be on 01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:01.479 those most affected 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:03.600 the pensioner rate discount increasing 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:05.720 by five percent is welcome but could 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:07.119 have been more generous 01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:08.800 the additional support for the food 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:10.880 program program and for launch housing 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:13.079 are also welcome but there are no new 01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:14.920 funds to support the expansion of Social 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.439 and affordable housing in this year's 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:18.640 budget yet we know just one percent of 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:20.600 housing in the city is Affordable 01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:22.640 and there are no funds being set aside 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:24.479 for initiatives to implement the climate 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.520 emergency action plan in 2324 that the 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:28.960 plan is soon to be released for 01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:30.640 Community consultation 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.720 keeping funds in reserve for initiatives 01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:34.960 to address the climate emergency will be 01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:36.399 a much better investment in the future 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:38.520 of Port Phillip for everyone than giving 01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.199 a rebate to individual rate payers or 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:42.880 why not accelerate overdue maintenance 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:44.600 and refurbishment works to our aging 01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:46.760 Community assets or fast track Library 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:48.960 Redevelopment plans to improve our 01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:51.399 ailing library's surface there are so 01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:52.880 many important things you could choose 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.760 to do instead with our Collective 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.479 resources so I urge you as counselors to 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.359 amend the recommendation before you 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.000 ditch the rate rebate and spend our 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.079 community funds for the common good of 01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:07.479 all Port Phillip citizens thank you 01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:10.920 thank you Rhonda 01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:14.079 yeah she's she's well practiced we 01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:15.479 forgot to put the timer on but I think 01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:17.199 you're at two minutes anyway all right I 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:18.760 call upon Jonathan Green speaking to 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:22.840 item 13.2 draft council plan 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:24.760 Jonathan are you here 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.800 oh jonathaniel okay sorry Jonathan 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.079 uh I called on Ian McDonald speaking to 01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:33.920 item 13.2 Hi Ian 01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:38.399 name suburb and two minutes please Ian 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.640 McDonald uh from St Kilda I'm speaking 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:42.479 as a private resident tonight I'd be 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:44.079 here to address the draft council plan 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.600 13.2 item 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.119 2.9.2 they'll want to rebate on General 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:52.319 rates appearing on page 260. as a stated 01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:54.039 Council maintains The View that it is 01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:55.640 important that our city is a place where 01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.760 everyone has the opportunity to survive 01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:58.840 and thrive 01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.000 a race rebate the way it's proposed 01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:02.920 deserves more attention to divert this 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.600 unexpected Surplus income into 01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:05.760 assistance 01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:08.079 a rates rebate to a select few ignores 01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:09.520 the real victims of cost of living 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.760 pressures serving out only to to a few 01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:15.479 it ignores the ways in which these funds 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:17.319 could be used more broadly and 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:19.840 creatively to help those targeted and 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.439 others including low-income renters 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.359 this counts as an extensive history of 01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:26.840 support in the housing area 01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:29.279 for example a few genus 01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:31.319 the pure genius behind the time these 01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:33.479 three stage in our backyard strategy of 01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:35.760 2015-25 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:37.720 it's acknowledged in Council of data the 01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:39.239 most significant change of the council 01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.520 city of Port Phillip between 2016 and 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:44.279 2021 was an emergence of a group in the 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.640 medium-less quartile which showed an 01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:50.760 increase of 2406 households some 22.5 01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:53.279 percent of the paying population 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:55.239 at the time of collection approximately 01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:57.399 half of this population were between 25 01:11:57.479 --> 01:11:59.560 and 49 years of age 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:01.319 the rent money supports a landlord's 01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:03.079 ability to pay rates yet renters 01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:04.840 themselves receive no direct Financial 01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:08.079 opportunity in return for Council so far 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:10.479 this is a difficult to alter societal 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:12.479 anomaly that can reflect in community 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.520 sustainability health and well-being so 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.239 what to do to help more of the community 01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:20.119 among other good ideas it's been 01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:21.960 suggested to roll out a neighborhood or 01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.399 Community renewable battery program to 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:26.600 lower energy costs or directing these 01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:29.199 rebate funds to flow to flood mitigation 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:31.960 programs promoting adaptive capabilities 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:33.880 in the community Through education 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:35.199 programs 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:38.199 not ignoring individual rate players 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:40.359 circumstances by allowing an opt day for 01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:43.600 provision once recipient sorry 01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:45.720 recipients are generally aware of the 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:47.760 impact of severe climate change events 01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:49.960 the rate pay is benefiting from the 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:53.439 rebate would prefer perhaps a long-term 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.760 cumulative initiatives instead of of 01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:57.079 rate rebate 01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.000 this of course will take education and 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:02.399 so to finish thank you Ian that was two 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:04.319 minutes sorry 1050 but that was the two 01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:06.760 minutes thank you I call about Anne 01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:11.520 Byrne speaking to item 13.1 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:16.079 hi Anne named Sunday good evening thank 01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:17.520 you Miss please thank you for the 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:19.479 opportunity to speak tonight my name's 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.560 Ann Byrne and I'm a resident of St Kilda 01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:26.079 3182 I am a ratepayer I've lived in this 01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.239 in this city for over 20 years and I 01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:30.520 love the energy environment that occurs 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:32.199 all year round 01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.439 this energy has always been supported by 01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:36.720 Council services and activities many 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.039 targeted to those who have the greatest 01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:40.119 need 01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.039 the proposed budget does not give me 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:44.039 Comfort that our city will continue to 01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.560 support all of our residents rate payers 01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:48.760 and non-rate rate payers which are 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:50.079 renters 01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:51.359 why it is 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:53.520 laudable that the council expresses 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:55.600 concern about cost of living pressures 01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.119 providing a one-off rate rebate on 01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:00.039 General rates gives no guarantee that 01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:01.479 cost of living pressures will be 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:02.800 addressed 01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:05.119 I disagree with this General rate rebate 01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:07.439 and request the council to review this 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:08.560 decision 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.119 rights should be calculated to provide 01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:13.239 the services and environment that the 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:14.840 community needs 01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.199 I commend the financial the targeted 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:19.560 financial report support as this gives 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.800 greater certainty that funds will reach 01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:24.039 those who need it 01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:26.039 the budget also tells us that we have 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.880 had a favorable budget items from 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:31.359 parking and investment income some of 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:33.560 this favorable movement fund should 01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.560 funds the targeted relief investment in 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:38.520 Services is a key requirement for a 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:40.199 vibrant City and our request that 01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.039 Council use the rest of the favorable 01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:46.199 budget movement to fund needed services 01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:48.039 I'd also like to comment on the 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.199 comprehensive cost review 01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:54.560 that resulted in one cost reduction that 01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:56.399 is reducing the cultural Development 01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:59.319 Fund by eighty seven thousand dollars 01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.760 in 2223 the cultural Development Fund 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:06.359 funded 16 grants the larger spend 12 000 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:08.520 and the smallest five thousand nine 01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:10.560 hundred and fifty these projects 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:12.800 provided great life and joy to our city 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.520 across a whole range of projects 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.760 why is the cultural Development Fund not 01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:19.760 being funded by a favorable budget 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:21.760 movements when there is clearly money 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:23.079 for it 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:25.640 please revise the budget to be inclusive 01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:28.199 and invest in the whole community and 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.000 provide us with their services and 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.039 environment we need thank you Anne 01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:35.840 I 01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:39.720 O'Neill from the Eco Center 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:44.439 speaking item 13.2 draft council plan 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:47.159 hi Pam 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.119 I see your smush is quite long so it's I 01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:51.000 don't know if you're going to read that 01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:52.720 but you have two minutes so exactly I'll 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.760 just do it quickly all right thanks 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.039 thank you I'm Pam O'Neill 01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:59.760 um I live in St Kilda 3182 and I'm also 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:01.319 president of the echo Center which is 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.720 since Kilda 3182. so primarily I'd like 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:06.520 to celebrate the long and successful 01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:08.319 partnership between the city and Port 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:10.600 Phillip and city of portfolk and their 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:12.640 co-center 24 years 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:14.760 and to thank Council for the support it 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:17.520 provides including in this draft budget 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:20.680 Council provides an annual Grant and use 01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:23.079 of council premises at a low rate cost 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.600 and allow that allows the echo Center 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.439 first to run and operate the echo Center 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.880 as a community venue for all citizens 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:32.800 and people and groups 01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.119 second it provides systems and support 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:37.720 for volunteers many of the volunteers at 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:39.600 the echo Center are people from 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:41.520 socioeconomic backgrounds or in 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:43.960 difficulty and so that helps both the 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:46.319 people and us to have a more effective 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:47.560 programs 01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:50.239 thirdly it um 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:53.800 it is this money from the council allows 01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:55.760 us to secure funding from other places 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:57.399 including from state and federal 01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.119 government and philanthropic 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:01.520 organizations so it's leveraging 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.720 two-thirds of the count of the um the 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:06.359 echo Center's money comes from this 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:09.279 money that we leverage from your money 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:11.680 um fourthly it manages it allows us to 01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.039 manage the organization itself and a 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:15.800 team of professional staff who've got a 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.520 fantastic reputation who runs citizen 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.800 Science Education environmental 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.399 sustainability climate change exception 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:26.119 programs 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:28.359 one thing I want to celebrate and think 01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:30.000 Council for is the forthcoming 01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:31.840 Redevelopment of the echo Center in new 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:32.600 building 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.479 which is Council and state government 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:36.359 funds and a little bit from the echo 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:38.680 Center and understand the actual 01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:40.640 Demolition and construction is about to 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:41.600 start 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.319 after 12 years when we first asked for 01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:46.439 it which is fantastic 01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:48.079 um so this beautiful new building as 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:49.600 well as being the echo Center's main 01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:51.880 premises will be a fantastic Community 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:55.199 Center for all of the organizations and 01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:57.880 individuals in the city it will mean the 01:17:57.960 --> 01:17:59.840 echo Center will be able to work and 01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:03.000 support Council to do things these three 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:04.560 things that you mention in your plan 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:07.000 that you want to do to deliver programs 01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:08.800 that support an environmentally aware 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:11.560 Community to prepare our community for a 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:13.479 changing environment and to mitigate and 01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.399 adapt to climate change and to help 01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:17.920 others to reduce our community and 01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:22.359 household emissions Thank you Pam 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:30.239 I call upon Peter morettes speaking down 01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:34.000 13.2 draft council plan 01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:37.479 hi Peter name suburb you have two 01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:38.199 minutes 01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:40.720 um my name is Peter moriitis and I live 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.560 in St Kilda 3182 thank you for the 01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:46.079 opportunity to speak tonight I'm 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:48.720 speaking on behalf of the Port Phillip 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:51.640 emergency climate Action Network tonight 01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:54.239 councilors we welcome the inclusion in 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:56.560 what volume one of the council plan and 01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.119 budget of an updated act and adapt 01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.319 strategy and a new climate emergency 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:05.159 action plan as quote a strategic 01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:08.079 priority initiative and a number of 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:10.199 other initiatives tied to these plans 01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:12.159 these initiatives will require 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:15.000 substantial resourcing and so a 01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:17.039 significant increase in the budget for 01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:20.119 the sustainability section of Council in 01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:21.640 order to implement 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.119 this is completely consistent given that 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:27.359 this is the critical decade for climate 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:29.239 action by all tiers of government 01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:31.760 following the dire warnings of the 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:33.880 intergovernment panel on climate change 01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:36.560 and other International bodies 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:39.800 however page 63 of volume 2 of the 01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:41.560 budget papers 01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:42.960 shockingly 01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:46.119 shows a projected decline in operational 01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:49.720 expenditure in sustainability from four 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:51.399 million six hundred and thirty two 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:55.319 thousand to three million 735 01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:58.720 000 over the next four years a cut of 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.720 almost 20 percent over the period taking 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.239 inflation into account this could be a 01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:06.720 real cut of 27 percent of the 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:09.439 sustainability budget 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.159 counselors if the cut to the council 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:15.520 actually taking climate action rather 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:17.760 than saying it will take climate action 01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:21.039 flows from the view that Council rates 01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:24.159 should be frozen or that a rate rebate 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.039 should be implemented then counselors 01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:29.399 please think again 01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:31.720 think of the collective benefits of a 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.600 council tree planting program a green 01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:38.319 line of ECHO Center operations or 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:40.760 Community batteries for the generations 01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:43.640 to come compared to transient and 01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.760 negligible additions to individual rate 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:48.359 payers pockets 01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:51.960 needless to say doing collectively what 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:54.960 individuals can't do is one good purpose 01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:58.000 of government it is essential that funds 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:00.560 be kept in reserve to implement the 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:02.760 climate emergency plan 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.279 the council must act for the collective 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:08.600 good and climate action and is now the 01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:11.199 crucial Collective good this is both a 01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:14.319 moral and legal responsibility for 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:15.479 Council 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.159 as the climate crisis intensifies 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.640 cutting the sustainability budget and so 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.279 denying resources to the implementation 01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:27.560 of the climate emergency plan must be 01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:32.600 rethought thank you very much thank you 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.479 I call upon Christina Kinston again for 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:39.680 13.2 draft council plan 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.760 Christina kinst Livingston Kilda 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:54.279 so I'd like to start by commending 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:56.439 Council for increasing its targeted 01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:58.319 financial support 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:01.439 for pensioners for Early Education for 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:03.000 rough sleepers 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:06.000 and greater food relief as you've 01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:09.239 outlined into 0.9.3 01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:12.399 however I suggest that councils want off 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:17.439 rebate on General rates at 2.9.2 misses 01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:19.319 its Target 01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:22.000 that being assisting those in our 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:23.880 communities experiencing Financial 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:28.439 hardships due to High Cost of Living 01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:31.960 the rebate will go to all residential 01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:36.520 commercial and Industrial rate payers 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:38.920 commercial and Industrial rate payers 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.720 are landlords 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:42.880 around half of the residential rate 01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:46.560 payers are landlords as well 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:49.439 it's fair to say that not all rate 01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.479 payers are facing the same cost of 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:53.760 living hardships 01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:55.880 and that giving rebates to property 01:22:55.960 --> 01:23:00.000 investors will not assist those most in 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.640 need to thrive in our city 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:07.000 so I'm wondering whether this unexpected 01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:08.319 Surplus 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.279 could be better targeted to families and 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:14.840 singles be they young or old facing 01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:17.119 genuine adversity 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:19.479 people who are finding it hard to put 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:21.039 food on the table 01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:24.159 or keep a roof over their heads 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:27.560 to meet their loan repayments or pay for 01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:29.800 a visit to the doctor 01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:33.520 I said perhaps instead of a rate rebate 01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:35.800 council could consider for example 01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:38.920 creating special hardship of fund for 01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.039 the coming Financial year 01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:43.560 to cover small grants vouchers maybe 01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:45.560 even a targeted rebate 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:49.359 depending on individual circumstances 01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:51.800 or Council might consider a one-off 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:53.920 funding boost to exist in community 01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:56.800 services that support those doing it 01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:02.239 tough or maybe both thank you Christina 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:06.520 I call upon Betty J 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:11.159 speaking item 13.2 draft council plan 01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:20.840 hi Betty hello everybody 01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:23.760 name suburb and two minutes please 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.000 um Betty J 3205 South Melbourne also 01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:28.880 known as a construction triangle between 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.119 Kingsway and Park Street and 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.359 Saint Kilda Road 01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:36.279 um some great points in chamber today on 01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:38.680 all topics 01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:42.720 I'm here to share my personal 01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:46.199 you know View and I would like to speak 01:24:46.279 --> 01:24:49.479 to objecting for 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:52.439 a rate rise and I do want a rate freeze 01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:55.439 I want a rate freeze for a year I don't 01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:56.439 believe 01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:58.640 um from personal experience I've come 01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:00.359 here a number of times over the last six 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:02.760 months some of you have been to my home 01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:04.760 you know that I've asked for help I'm 01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:06.079 suffering with 01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:09.479 parking construction constantly getting 01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:11.399 parking fines even though I have a 01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:14.760 permit we now have a building that's so 01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:16.479 close that there's concrete that falls 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:19.560 onto our plants and balconies and cars 01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:21.520 daily 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:23.399 um rather than Council making those 01:25:23.479 --> 01:25:24.600 things better 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:27.399 and responding to my 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:29.439 requests you've now extended 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.760 construction hours on a Saturday till 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.720 five o'clock you've said that that you 01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:36.359 know you've Justified it by saying oh 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:38.079 well the other councils do it well the 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:39.520 other councils have got a lot smaller 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:43.640 rates don't they you know they also have 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:45.279 um 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:47.319 their own efficiencies 01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:51.520 to deal with so I am both a renter and a 01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:53.439 ratepayer I live in my mother's property 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:56.199 she can't afford to pay her mortgage so 01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:58.279 I have stepped in 01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:01.199 to do that so I understand both points 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:03.520 of view 01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.560 Council has not 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.039 proven to me that they can actually help 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.119 you've raised the right you've raised 01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:12.880 the rates for the last five years to 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:14.520 maximum but I haven't seen any 01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:16.439 improvements personally like I really 01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:18.960 haven't the parkings are shamozel your 01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:20.800 traffic management team doesn't talk to 01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:23.079 your parking team the zoning's a 01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:25.960 disaster not just me everyone Fitzroy 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.479 Street needs a lot of help you know it 01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:30.720 is not back you know everybody here 01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:33.079 knows that it's not back and I want you 01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:35.840 guys to take a good long think about 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:37.880 doing what we do in small business when 01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:39.720 we don't have money is find efficiencies 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:42.239 get creative use what you've got before 01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:44.520 you start just throwing more money at 01:26:44.600 --> 01:26:47.439 the problem to quote to end this have a 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.319 thank you to quote my old neighbor Don 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:51.720 Lopez that died earlier this year she 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:53.399 was a human rights lawyer and activist 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:56.560 and the first female mayor of Brighton 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:58.880 to quite die there is no bona fide 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:01.039 reason for Council to exist unless it is 01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:03.720 for the people we are the people thank 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:06.640 you Betty thank you 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:10.960 next we're going to go online to Leslie 01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.720 rosenblatt speaking item 13.2 draft 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:17.560 council plan Leslie are you online 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:21.039 go ahead and speak yet name suburb and 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:23.119 you have two minutes please my full name 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:25.840 is Leslie rosenblatt and I live at 31 01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:29.079 Alma roads in Kilda I'm speaking in 01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:31.199 relation to paragraph 01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:35.399 2.9.2 of item 13.2 of the draft council 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:37.960 plan and budget report I wish you to 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:40.479 hear that I am seriously opposed to the 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:44.920 proposal that Council should rebate rate 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.479 payers of this city by the 3.5 percent 01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:52.000 amount that 2023 rates would otherwise 01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:54.720 have been increased an increase it 01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:56.399 should be noted that is well below 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.600 current inflationary levels so that 01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:02.760 their net rate increase amounts to zero 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:06.520 the regressive effect of this is to 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:09.119 benefit the property owners of the mere 01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:13.319 7.7 of the city's dwellings which are 01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:16.720 detached houses with a median value of 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:19.720 around 1.8 million to 2 million and 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:21.560 mainly to be found in Albert Park and 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:23.680 middle Park where the rates are highest 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.520 with one in two households in Port 01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:29.439 Phillip being rental properties and 01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:32.079 ninety percent of all dwellings being in 01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:34.560 medium or high density housing blocks 01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:37.359 and with 16 percent of the city's 01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:40.640 residents earning less than 375 dollars 01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:44.119 a week the approximately 120 dollars 01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:46.119 that the wealthiest 10 percent of the 01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:48.640 population might gain from this proposal 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:52.239 drops to almost zero for the vast 01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:55.039 majority of residents meanwhile this 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:57.720 absurdly regressive proposal will cost 01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:00.960 the city around 4.4 million in Lost 01:29:01.039 --> 01:29:03.479 Revenue money which could be used to 01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:07.319 assist the more needy 3500 households 01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.279 living in severe housing stress and Real 01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:14.199 Cost of Living difficulties The Proposal 01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:17.520 reeks of neoliberal austerity economics 01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:20.680 and if the council accepts it it will be 01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:23.680 a redistributive gift upwards to the 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:26.079 already well endowed property holders in 01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:29.560 this city at a lost opportunity cost to 01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:32.680 assist the needy thank you perfect 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:35.279 timing 01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:37.600 thank you Leslie I call upon Claire 01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:40.199 mayor speaking to item 13.2 draft 01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:42.880 council plan 01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:45.520 hi Claire hi 01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:47.520 named suburb two minutes please uh 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.560 Claire mayor St Kilda 3182 01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:53.079 um I'm speaking to 3.2 this evening and 01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:56.279 I object to any rate rise and any rebate 01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:58.720 um at all for various reasons apart from 01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:01.439 the fact many of us are mum mums dad's 01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.239 carers and anything else in between 01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:06.720 um and we've got a long way to go to 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:09.039 rebuild our lives with our families 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:11.760 financially my request to council is to 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:14.520 pass motion for a rate freeze 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:17.199 um on discussing this with my friends my 01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:19.119 neighbors acquaintances are shocked to 01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:20.760 hear that an increase or talk of a 01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:22.840 rebate is even a consideration in The 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:25.039 Current financial economic climate the 01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:26.880 demographic of the community varies 01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:29.680 ultimately those those disadvantaged the 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.600 most are often residents as well working 01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.560 hard at keeping their heads above water 01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:37.119 inflation has reached a widely reported 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:39.880 high and salaries have not caught up 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:42.000 contrary to popular belief owning a 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:43.479 property in the city of Port Phillip 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:45.000 does not automatically make you a 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:46.640 wealthy landowner 01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:48.560 many are living hand to mouth more 01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:50.520 families relying on food banks for the 01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:52.000 first time in their lives and those 01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:53.600 financially able to support their own 01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:55.880 home will now tackle the daunting task 01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:58.439 of balancing the family books and yet 01:30:58.520 --> 01:30:59.600 another blow to their financial 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:02.520 situation a rate freeze does not mean 01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:04.600 cutting essential Services which are 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:06.640 currently provided by Council and 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:09.239 contrary to Rowdy murmurings those 01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:11.399 invulnerable situations including our 01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:13.720 elderly those with mental health issues 01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:16.920 and needing housing support they should 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:18.520 not be compromised if Council 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:20.439 prioritizes Community needs first 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:23.319 another project second it might be a 01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:25.640 great start during periods of austerity 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:27.640 it is very common for private sector 01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:29.760 councils and even our own current state 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:31.800 government to review their spending 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.000 assess where rate payers hard earned 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:36.399 money is being spent some projects have 01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:38.399 little or no impact or Improvement to 01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:40.640 The Wider Community one resident's 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:44.039 response who I spoke to in our block of 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:44.880 Apartments 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:48.000 her response was we've all had to 01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:49.840 tighten our belts Council can start 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:51.960 doing the same I've contributed to this 01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.279 community since the 1970s and it's time 01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:55.560 for a change I've just got one more 01:31:55.640 --> 01:32:00.039 sentence mayor I think now now is a 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:01.720 great time for Council and and 01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:04.439 councilors to consider offering some 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:07.119 Financial relief to those who have got a 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:09.279 really really tough couple of years 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:12.520 ahead thank you thank you Claire 01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:15.279 foreign 01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:20.079 speaking to item 13.2 01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:30.960 hi Rose name suburb two minutes please 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:32.760 um I'm Rose from already resident of 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:35.119 Elwood 3184. 01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:37.640 uh hello everyone 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:40.000 um I'm both a rater a renter and a rate 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:43.119 payer and I'm joining the voices to 01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:45.640 oppose the rent rebate I won't reiterate 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:47.279 the arguments you've already heard but I 01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:50.119 do thoroughly agree that it is not the 01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:51.960 best route to social Equity order 01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:54.560 relieving um the problems that are being 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:56.439 experienced and the hardships that are 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:58.920 being experienced in this community I 01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:02.600 would also say that the most urgent role 01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:04.800 that Council has at the current moment 01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:06.479 is to respond to the climate emergency 01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:08.880 I'm glad that you'll be soon releasing 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:12.000 your climate urgency action plan but I'm 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:14.119 very worried about any decrease of 01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:15.880 decreasing of funds that could be 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:20.079 funneled into that plan it is 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:22.039 there are lots of urgent social problems 01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:24.039 that you deal with I know but 01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:27.239 unless we have viable air viable green 01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:29.119 spaces 01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:31.640 um not you know being rushed out of our 01:33:31.720 --> 01:33:34.199 homes by flood then we can't come 01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:36.560 together as a community in any way or no 01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:38.039 matter what I've used 01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:40.119 so I would urge you to put this first 01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:42.159 and 01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.239 um I hope to see some real action in 01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:47.439 your action plan thank you thank you 01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:49.680 Rose 01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:54.640 I call upon Campbell Spence speaking 01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:59.079 item 13.2 draft council plan 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:03.039 we're nearing the end everyone 01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:06.720 thank you mayor I'm Campbell Spence from 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:09.039 Middle Park I represent the residence of 01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:11.880 Port Phillip and I'm speaking 01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:16.840 in relation to 13.2 Rob opposes the 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:18.760 rebate because the rebate doesn't 01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:23.399 provide real relief to residents 01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:24.720 and 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:27.640 the rebate 01:34:28.319 --> 01:34:30.399 helps us for one year but we have to pay 01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:32.520 it back the next year 01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:36.880 uh on top of next year's rights rise so 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.039 a rebate might make councilors feel good 01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:43.199 for you but it uh it impacts residents 01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:47.760 next year so what I ask you to consider 01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:51.479 is a zero rates increase based on the 01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:53.399 following reasons cost of living 01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:55.279 pressures which we've all talked about 01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:58.479 they are hurting the community this year 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:01.119 and we expect the pain to continue next 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:05.119 year we need a real uh real rates freeze 01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:06.960 not one that we have to pay back next 01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:08.479 year 01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:10.640 the right 01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:13.640 phrase or a rate reduction can be partly 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:16.560 funded by the Surplus the eight and a 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:19.479 half million dollar Surplus Port Phillip 01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:21.840 rates are already expensive compared to 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:26.119 Stonington Glen IRA and Bayside uh how 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:28.560 can councilors justify a resident living 01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:31.439 in Elwood in an Elwood property valued 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:34.640 at 1.8 million dollars paying 900 01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:37.800 dollars more in rates and charges than a 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:40.840 resident in Brighton living only a few 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.039 streets away have a look at our rate 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:45.960 calculator and I challenge any of you to 01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:48.640 tell me where their error is in that 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:52.199 rate calculator the reason why rates are 01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:54.399 excessive in Port Phillip is because 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.279 Council spends more than surrounding 01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:01.119 councils who provide the same or similar 01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:03.720 Services we spend 100 million dollars 01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:07.479 more than Bayside we spend more than 50 01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:09.960 million dollars more than Stonington and 01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:13.239 Glen IRA and this is because councilors 01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:17.199 vote for increased spending Port Phillip 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:18.880 is no different to the other councils 01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:22.840 I'll finish very briefly mayor we have a 01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:25.479 small Council area compared to the other 01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:29.399 councils who have similar population we 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:31.800 have similar assets 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:34.600 stonington's got I won't go into all the 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:35.439 detail 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:38.279 so we're not asking for Council to cut 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:40.319 Services we're asking Council to use 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:41.640 their operating 01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:45.880 Surplus to to freeze rates or to reduce 01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:48.560 rates and to provide operational 01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:52.319 efficiencies and to stop blowouts in 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:57.680 costs on projects thank you thank you 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:02.199 Penny Nickel not here okay 01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:06.279 so next I have two sorry 01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:09.479 I have two more on my list so but 01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:13.640 I have Mark goldenblatt next 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.399 and then I have to after that James 01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:17.800 Henderson I don't know 01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:19.479 what's your name 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:23.560 Penny oh your penny oh sorry sorry can I 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:27.560 come to you next sorry about that penny 01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:30.640 hi Mark we'll start with you I think 01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:32.760 you're speaking of 13.2 I've been out I 01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:34.319 am great thank you 01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:37.800 um counselors please mark Goldblatt from 01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:40.560 Albert Park and I'm not going to be I'm 01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:41.920 going to be very brief because I Echo 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:44.760 the sentiments of the last speaker 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:48.239 there is a huge increase in cost of 01:37:48.319 --> 01:37:50.800 living across the board Port Phillip is 01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:52.920 populated by Ordinary People just as 01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:53.880 every other 01:37:53.960 --> 01:37:57.640 Council in Melbourne is 01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:00.359 yet our rates are significantly High I 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:04.239 was astonished to see a comparable two 01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:05.800 comparable properties one in Port 01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:08.439 Phillip and one in Stonington where the 01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:10.439 port full of rates were 25 percent 01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:15.079 higher on on same CRV 01:38:15.159 --> 01:38:17.760 in my submission really it's a question 01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:21.640 of accountability and efficiency 01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:24.239 it's a question of looking at and 01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:27.039 looking hard at number of staff I know 01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:29.119 that's not a desirable thing to have to 01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:31.560 do but also the Consultants that are 01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:33.359 used in keeping Consultants accountable 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:36.479 for their actions and the costs that 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.000 they charge 01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:41.520 what's happened with the with the bike 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:43.920 pop-up Lanes which I understand was done 01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:47.319 between state government and Council 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:50.880 as a Avid bike rider he's crazy with 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:52.840 respect we go out early in the morning 01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:56.079 and there are some areas down Beach Road 01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:58.000 that are quite frankly dangerous both 01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:01.600 for cyclists and for cars I've seen a 01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:03.399 number of accidents serious accidents 01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:05.319 from cyclists just because of those 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:07.359 pop-up lanes are now they are 01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:09.000 constructed and it's just not thought 01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.439 through and there wasn't consultation or 01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:13.439 any reasonable consultation with people 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.920 actually cycling on a daily basis so 01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:19.239 really at the end of the day if 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:21.560 efficiency is looked at with a blow 01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:24.479 torch there is no need to increase rates 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:26.680 rates rates should be Frozen and in fact 01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:29.079 reduced and this Council should be 01:39:29.159 --> 01:39:31.359 comparable with councils around it that 01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:34.600 are working and are able to work on a 01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:37.560 significantly better efficiency level in 01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:40.039 circumstances where the services that 01:39:40.119 --> 01:39:41.800 are being provided are not being 01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:43.199 compromised 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:46.640 thank you thank you 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:48.159 all right I'll go back to you Penny 01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:50.079 thank you so I call company Nichols 01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:52.199 speaking to item 13.2 then I have James 01:39:52.279 --> 01:39:53.920 Henderson is there anybody else in the 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:56.439 gallery who has registered to speak that 01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:58.359 hasn't been called on yet 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:00.359 good all right Penny go ahead name 01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:02.520 suburb two minutes thank you Penny 01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:04.920 Nicole L word three one eight four I'm 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:06.840 actually speaking on behalf of someone 01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:08.880 who couldn't be here tonight um with his 01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:11.680 permission Ron burggrath from Middle 01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:14.319 Park and I'll just read it I'm hoping 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:15.880 it's two minutes I grew up in the 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:17.800 northern suburbs I'm not rich and 01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:20.039 neither were my working class parents so 01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:21.840 there was very little inheritance I've 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:23.880 worked hard all my life I've paid taxes 01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:25.840 never cheated anyone bought a house in 01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:28.039 Middle Park raised educated three kids 01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:30.079 looked after my wife's parents for 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:32.520 almost 20 years employed many people in 01:40:32.600 --> 01:40:34.239 business over a lifetime of work and 01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:36.479 paid my taxes I'm sitting here in my 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:38.920 middle Park home still working at 70 to 01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:41.520 pay mega bucks in Council rates which 01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:43.359 will eventually drive me out of my 01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:45.039 family home because I will no longer be 01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:46.920 able to afford to pay them and because 01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:49.000 I've worked hard and paid all my taxes I 01:40:49.079 --> 01:40:51.279 will also not get the pension also I 01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:52.600 will not get the benefits that other 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:54.960 people my age that have not worked as 01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:57.079 hard and have not paid the amount of 01:40:57.159 --> 01:40:59.079 taxes we'll receive to the end of their 01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:00.239 days 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:02.319 despite what our Council and politically 01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:04.560 aligned counselors may think I am not 01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:07.199 rich I have a house I bought over a 01:41:07.279 --> 01:41:08.800 quarter of a century ago that has gone 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:11.039 up in value but then everyone's house 01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:14.600 has increased so why must all why so we 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:16.479 all must be rich if we have worked hard 01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:17.920 and been able to purchase The Great 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:19.319 Australian dream 01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:21.359 a lot of money is being spent and given 01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:23.399 away by Council where it shouldn't be a 01:41:23.479 --> 01:41:25.239 lot of unworthy hands are constantly 01:41:25.319 --> 01:41:27.520 being gifted our hard-earned rates money 01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.239 pet projects of council and councilors 01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:32.680 form a conga line each year with their 01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:34.720 hands out while Council has their hands 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:36.960 in our pockets increasing our rates each 01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:39.079 year it's ironic that the harder you 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:41.039 work the more you get punished paying 01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:43.239 more taxes but the less you work the 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:44.800 more you get rewarded using other 01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:46.359 people's taxes 01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:48.840 I say we need to keep the politics out 01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:51.159 of council and start looking after not 01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:53.600 punishing rate payers I say no to yet 01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:55.600 another rate rise 01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:59.279 with 10 seconds to spare good job 01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:01.119 all right James Henderson 01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:05.640 thank you picking item 13.2 01:42:08.439 --> 01:42:13.319 James Henderson sank code Ace 3183 01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:15.479 um I stand before you today as a young 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.239 person who calls this community home 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:20.520 I come forward today to express my 01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:22.199 concerns and disappointment with the 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:24.239 draft budget's proposed rate rebate of 01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:27.720 3.5 percent to all right right pairs 01:42:27.800 --> 01:42:29.399 as someone who does not benefit from 01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:31.600 this rebate I find the proposal to be 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:33.479 inherently flawed in its approach to 01:42:33.560 --> 01:42:36.039 addressing cost of living pressures 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.079 instead of providing relief to those who 01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:39.760 need it most this rate rebate 01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:42.000 disproportionately benefits those with 01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:43.640 higher value properties while doing 01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:46.239 little to help the 49 of Port Phillip 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:48.520 residents who are renters 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:50.920 this excess in the budget could instead 01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:52.840 be invested in initiatives that would 01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:54.720 genuinely benefit our entire Community 01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:58.520 regardless of property ownership status 01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:00.840 as Rhonda mentioned before our aging 01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:03.560 Community assets Library services and 01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:06.079 local housing providers need support now 01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:07.600 more than ever 01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:09.640 there these are services and 01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:11.920 infrastructure that contribute to the 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:13.600 well-being of our whole community and 01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:15.880 make Port Phillip such a great place to 01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:16.600 live 01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:19.039 allocating funds to these areas would 01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:21.960 benefit all members of our community not 01:43:22.039 --> 01:43:24.000 just a select few 01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:26.439 as a young person I call on the council 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:28.600 to reconsider this proposed rate rebate 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:30.840 and instead direct the funds towards 01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:32.399 initiatives that will make a tangible 01:43:32.479 --> 01:43:34.319 difference in the lives of all residents 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:36.359 particularly those who are most 01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:38.760 vulnerable to cost of living pressures 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:41.199 let's work together to create a more 01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:42.840 Equitable sustainable and Forward 01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:45.560 Thinking Port Phillip for everyone not 01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:48.479 just homeowners thank you for your time 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:51.399 thank you 01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:53.199 all right that is the end of the public 01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:55.479 question time you are welcome to go if 01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:57.479 you need to go because it's uh already 01:43:57.560 --> 01:43:59.800 two hours into the meeting but we're 01:43:59.880 --> 01:44:01.960 going to go next to counselor question 01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:04.840 time and we're going to take a break 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:07.720 so counselors what yes 01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:10.840 I'll say this is an opportunity to ask 01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:12.560 any questions for the items that are on 01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:13.720 block normally there aren't really 01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:16.239 questions but if things popped up I will 01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:19.319 allow it during this time for now 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:21.279 could you just remind us which ones are 01:44:21.359 --> 01:44:23.399 on block okay so yeah so later on in the 01:44:23.479 --> 01:44:24.720 meeting we're taking a few items on 01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:27.479 block right now what's agreed is 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:29.399 um the petition response 01:44:29.479 --> 01:44:31.840 so that's seven where's my thing 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.840 7.1 petition response advocacy to 01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:37.720 short-term accommodation 10.1 Council 01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:39.319 parks and open space maintenance 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:42.520 herbicide approach 10.2 peer road 01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:43.840 closure 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:47.840 uh 10.4 thank you triangle project 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:50.279 12.2 funding recommendations for the 01:44:50.359 --> 01:44:53.399 cultural Development Fund and 13.1 01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:56.279 records of informal Council meetings 01:44:56.359 --> 01:44:57.760 anybody have any questions on those 01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:00.640 items and we can speak to any one of 01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:02.800 them yeah so what I will allow 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:04.880 after the break if there's no questions 01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:10.119 you can speak to all six of those items 01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:12.239 in general quickly 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:14.319 but the idea is that we have decided 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:17.079 that these ones can generally supported 01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:19.439 against on those 01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:21.840 all right well not many people left but 01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:24.520 we'll take 10 minutes okay 01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:26.039 so 01:45:26.119 --> 01:45:27.359 I'm not going to rob you of that and 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:31.159 call it 8 30. it's gonna be 8 32. 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:35.720 welcome back everybody 01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:38.880 we left our finishing counselor question 01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:40.239 time 01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:43.239 uh did something pop up during that or 01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:45.359 do we have another counselor question oh 01:45:45.439 --> 01:45:48.000 you do Rhonda okay Rhonda go for it 01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:51.159 so my question was uh regarding the St 01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:53.920 Kilda triangle 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.880 could officers just clarify the 01:45:56.960 --> 01:46:01.359 consultation process that was raised by 01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:03.359 um one of the speakers 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:05.560 and there was obviously some confusion 01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:08.119 that the car park isn't part of it which 01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:10.039 I think you've clarified subsequently 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:13.640 that it is how do we make sure who was 01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:15.279 consulted I guess when they talked about 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:16.439 the 01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:18.520 what we did in the feedback we got and 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:20.000 how do we keep 01:46:20.079 --> 01:46:23.319 the businesses I guess who are more 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:25.239 impacted by the car park I guess 01:46:25.319 --> 01:46:28.000 consulted or engaged in the process or 01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:29.920 get their feedback if that makes sense 01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:32.399 that question 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:35.399 chair McNeil thank you through you mayor 01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:36.720 so 01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:40.359 the question specifically was about I 01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:44.039 think who was included in the 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:47.680 um the parking survey work so it was 01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:51.039 simply a user of the car park survey 01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:54.520 rather than what people think of parking 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:59.039 so as users went in they were asked to 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.319 you know why were they there and other 01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:04.439 information so it wasn't a broader what 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:08.319 do people think survey if in this phase 01:47:08.399 --> 01:47:10.319 of the project 01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:13.800 councils opted not to do consultation so 01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:17.399 we have limited the scope of this work 01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:19.439 to purely investigation in the 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:21.479 background and a market survey so we've 01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:23.920 undertaken a survey of the the industry 01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:25.439 both 01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:27.399 um 01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:30.840 venue operators and the the booking 01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:33.840 agents for four shows but apart from 01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:35.800 that we haven't done any other work so 01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:37.439 that could be something that Council 01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:39.960 would like us to do in the next phase or 01:47:40.039 --> 01:47:41.880 add to this scope if that if Council 01:47:41.960 --> 01:47:43.640 would like us to undertake that sooner 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:46.039 in terms of consultation with the 01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:47.600 businesses is that what you mean okay 01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:51.279 yes that's correct thank you 01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:54.399 all right no further counselor question 01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:57.039 time we'll move under ceiling schedule 01:47:57.119 --> 01:48:00.560 Christina do you have something 01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:03.399 Carside policy is separate so ask it the 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:04.840 item thank you 01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:06.640 all right a little bit different tonight 01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:09.479 we're trying to save some time 01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:11.760 ceiling schedule counselors we have no 01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:14.079 items for ceiling on tonight's agenda so 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:15.560 we move under petitions and Joint 01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:17.560 letters counselors we do have one 01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:19.800 petition but no joint letters on 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:21.560 tonight's agenda the petition will be 01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:24.000 considered as part of the unblock motion 01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:25.319 shortly 01:48:25.399 --> 01:48:27.000 so we'll move on to presentations of 01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:27.960 report 01:48:28.039 --> 01:48:29.640 s 01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:31.960 counselors we have indicated as 01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:34.359 considered several times on several 01:48:34.439 --> 01:48:35.600 items on block 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:37.960 I now seek a mover that the following 01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:40.199 items be moved on block 01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:42.079 I'll read them in full so it's very 01:48:42.159 --> 01:48:46.039 clear 7.1 petition response efficacy on 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:47.720 short-term accommodations 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:50.439 10.1 Council parks and open space 01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:53.880 maintenance herbicide approach 10.2 Pier 01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:56.520 road closure St Kilda approval to 01:48:56.600 --> 01:48:59.279 commence statutory road closure process 01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:02.760 10.4 Saint Kilda triangle project budget 01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:03.800 review 01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:07.399 12.2 funding recommendations for the 01:49:07.479 --> 01:49:09.880 2022-2023 cultural Development Fund 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:12.359 festivals and events round two 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:15.279 and last 13.1 records of informal 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:19.359 council meeting meetings of council 01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:24.760 okay side note for the minutes 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:27.640 at 833 counselor Crawford joined the 01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:28.920 meeting online 01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:33.000 good governance thank you back to it 01:49:33.079 --> 01:49:34.840 I'm looking for a mover for the items 01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:36.760 unblocked cancel apparel and a secondary 01:49:36.840 --> 01:49:39.239 counselor Martin 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:41.920 uh all now what we're going to do on 01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:42.880 this one everyone's going to have the 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:44.880 opportunity to speak to it if you need 01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:46.720 to but you're speaking to all the items 01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:50.079 do it concisely please you don't have to 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:51.479 speak but if there's something you need 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:53.319 to say on these six items now's the 01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:54.720 opportunity counselor Pro would you like 01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:55.800 to start us off 01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:58.239 no thanks Council Martin 01:49:58.319 --> 01:49:59.399 go ahead 01:49:59.479 --> 01:50:01.359 very briefly mayor I trained as a 01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:03.159 chemist and biochemist and I don't often 01:50:03.239 --> 01:50:04.800 get a chance to use those skills so I 01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:06.159 thank the officers for the very very 01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:09.560 detailed herbicide report and I note the 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:10.920 cautions that they've put in there which 01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:12.720 are very real cautious person at their 01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:14.319 recommendations and certainly with the 01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:15.760 background of my training I'm very very 01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:17.600 comfortable with that I know there was a 01:50:17.680 --> 01:50:19.720 speaker who raised some concerns 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:21.960 um I think anyone who's got the 01:50:22.039 --> 01:50:22.960 background knowledge who reads the 01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:24.279 document that the council officers put 01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:25.800 together will realize that it's a very 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:27.359 good document and the officer's 01:50:27.439 --> 01:50:29.439 recommendation is an excellent one and 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:31.720 yep let's get all this over and done 01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:33.720 with it fantastic but emails like to 01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:35.920 speak to are any of these six items okay 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:38.199 councilor Clerk 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:40.640 sorry and I will be brief 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:41.319 um 01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:44.319 I realize we're voting for this on block 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:46.640 and so the advocacy on the short-term 01:50:46.720 --> 01:50:48.159 accommodation 01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:51.279 um will you know I'm happy to support 01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:55.520 Matt but I do have some serious concerns 01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:56.399 about 01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:58.439 um part of what is being investigated 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:00.079 here that 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:01.720 um so we'll see what comes back from the 01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:04.119 whole uh investigation by the council 01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:07.800 but I I'm I cannot support 01:51:07.880 --> 01:51:10.640 um Council limiting the number of days 01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:14.039 that a private owner can rent or short 01:51:14.119 --> 01:51:16.359 stay their apartment I don't think we've 01:51:16.439 --> 01:51:19.119 got any place in being involved in 01:51:19.199 --> 01:51:23.039 that kind of controls I very much 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.039 understand the problem and would not be 01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:26.880 happy with 01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.079 um living in an apartment where people 01:51:29.159 --> 01:51:31.119 are out of control parties and things 01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:33.560 like that but I don't think the solution 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:36.239 is limiting and regulating how many days 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:38.119 people can actually rent their own 01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:39.640 private property 01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:43.359 but I I recognize this as a broader 01:51:43.439 --> 01:51:45.359 investigation and there probably are 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:46.960 some worthwhile things that may need to 01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:49.520 come out of it so supportive of the 01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:53.319 broader approach to this motion thanks 01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:55.520 thank you many of us like to speak to 01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:57.399 any of the items on block councilor 01:51:57.479 --> 01:51:59.560 sirkov 01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:02.119 I think you may I just want to refer to 01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:04.239 the uh herbicide that's been recommended 01:52:04.319 --> 01:52:05.760 glyphosate 01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:08.319 um I spent some 45 minutes talking to a 01:52:08.399 --> 01:52:12.000 very long time friend who's a 01:52:12.079 --> 01:52:15.359 biochemist uh PhD in the area worked in 01:52:15.439 --> 01:52:18.039 Melbourne University Research labs and 01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:20.399 also Federation University Research labs 01:52:20.479 --> 01:52:22.960 and asked her about this product she she 01:52:23.039 --> 01:52:25.039 uses it herself on her own five acre 01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:27.000 property and phones at completely safe 01:52:27.079 --> 01:52:29.119 to use as long as you don't go putting 01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:30.560 your hands in it like you wouldn't bathe 01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:32.760 your hands in a bucket of petrol 01:52:32.840 --> 01:52:34.920 and she explained to me the whole 01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:37.119 chemistry of the whole of how it works 01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:40.520 and how it's targeted for the weeds 01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:42.760 itself and if it does land on soil that 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:46.399 it doesn't doesn't kill the bacterial 01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:50.319 organisms or fungi because it's not 01:52:50.399 --> 01:52:52.840 targeted for those those 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:53.600 um 01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:57.760 species of Organics only if then if 01:52:57.840 --> 01:52:59.520 whatever that soil then touches other 01:52:59.600 --> 01:53:03.279 weeds will kill those weeds so I'm 01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:04.760 really happy with 01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:07.800 this herbicide being used across Port 01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:10.600 Phillip in a properly regulated way 01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:12.760 thank you 01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:14.560 thank you anybody else speaking to the 01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:15.840 items 01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:18.000 looking online nope 01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:20.119 all right let's go ahead 01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:22.359 and I don't think he needs anything 01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:25.199 they're closing councilor Pearl 01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:27.880 okay uh well now put that to vote all 01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:30.159 those in favor of these items on block 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:34.159 that's carrying out us thank you 01:53:35.159 --> 01:53:37.119 all right so councilors will now move 01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:39.479 through the remainder of the reports for 01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:41.680 each report we'll you'll be allowed to 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:44.520 ask questions and 01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:46.439 um 01:53:46.520 --> 01:53:48.399 then yep good all right so we're going 01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:49.920 to start off with 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:52.840 10.3 car share policy and the final 01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:55.199 engagement findings 01:53:55.279 --> 01:53:57.960 do I have any questions for the officers 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:00.000 in relation to this item councilor 01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:01.359 sarakov 01:54:01.439 --> 01:54:03.079 I think you moved 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:05.079 um I do have a question related to the 01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:06.880 number of hours 01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:11.319 um that a vehicle is being uh leased or 01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:13.119 hired for 01:54:13.199 --> 01:54:15.359 um and and that is the average monthly 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:19.600 use of of the 193 established Bays over 01:54:19.680 --> 01:54:22.880 the three months comes to something like 01:54:22.960 --> 01:54:25.600 162 hours 01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:26.399 um 01:54:26.479 --> 01:54:29.199 and I'm a bit surprised by that number 01:54:29.279 --> 01:54:32.199 which means that basically each vehicle 01:54:32.279 --> 01:54:36.880 each of those 195 193 Vehicles is being 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.359 used somewhere between five on average 01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:41.600 five to six hours 01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:46.000 per day and I'm just wondering if um 01:54:46.079 --> 01:54:47.680 this is 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:50.279 um correct not that I doubt the the 01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:51.840 numbers that the councilors have done 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:53.880 but it just seems exceptionally high 01:54:53.960 --> 01:54:56.319 thank you I have Karen and Nelly who 01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:59.159 wants to take that one 01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:04.600 thank you Nelly Montague 01:55:04.680 --> 01:55:06.399 thank you counselor and through you 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:07.359 mayor 01:55:07.439 --> 01:55:09.960 um so the 162 hours that you mentioned 01:55:10.039 --> 01:55:12.520 is um based on the October to December 01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:15.359 months from last year which looked at 01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:18.520 usage across those Bays averaged across 01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:19.920 each Bay 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:21.720 um that gave us a good understanding but 01:55:21.800 --> 01:55:23.920 the difference between the bay use per 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:26.880 month varies from 15 hours a month to 01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:28.800 over 400 hours a month depending on the 01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:30.560 bay and the location we see seasonal 01:55:30.640 --> 01:55:32.079 variations a whole lot of different 01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:33.479 factors that contribute to that 01:55:33.560 --> 01:55:36.560 International best practice looks at 01:55:36.640 --> 01:55:39.239 about a 20-25 usage of these sort of 01:55:39.319 --> 01:55:41.079 vehicles to ensure that they are 01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:42.640 functioning efficiently for our 01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:45.039 community as a service and providing the 01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:46.800 benefits that we know that car share 01:55:46.880 --> 01:55:48.560 gives us in terms of limiting car 01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:50.439 ownership and private usage which 01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:51.720 contributes to parking and traffic 01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:55.600 concerns so that number obviously if you 01:55:55.680 --> 01:55:57.399 go into the detail of it there's a lot 01:55:57.479 --> 01:55:59.399 in there and we're hoping with the 01:55:59.479 --> 01:56:01.479 introduction of this usage Target it 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:03.079 will give us the Performance Management 01:56:03.159 --> 01:56:06.239 tool to enable us to ensure that these 01:56:06.319 --> 01:56:08.319 vehicles are being used efficiently and 01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:10.039 therefore the public space that these 01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:12.239 Bays take up is being used in the best 01:56:12.319 --> 01:56:14.279 possible way 01:56:14.359 --> 01:56:16.600 thank you any other questions tonight on 01:56:16.680 --> 01:56:18.399 this item 01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:20.760 no all right otherwise I'm we have an 01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:21.960 officer's recommendation with someone 01:56:22.039 --> 01:56:23.199 like to move this or something else 01:56:23.279 --> 01:56:26.039 counselor Martin to move do I have a 01:56:26.119 --> 01:56:28.840 secondary councilor niagui 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:30.159 Council Martin would Jack to speak to 01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:32.119 the item can I thank the council 01:56:32.199 --> 01:56:33.359 officers who've been involved in 01:56:33.439 --> 01:56:35.520 shepherding this uh report through all 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:37.600 the research that's gone in the 01:56:37.680 --> 01:56:39.880 consultation process and I'm very happy 01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:41.520 to 01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:43.920 endorse the recommendation to council 01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:46.239 and hope that we'll support it 01:56:46.319 --> 01:56:48.560 there are two things that I'd like to 01:56:48.640 --> 01:56:49.960 advise everyone out there who's 01:56:50.039 --> 01:56:51.560 listening and our officers and our 01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:53.399 councils as well I think this is a 01:56:53.479 --> 01:56:56.680 wonderful scheme it's providing a 01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:58.000 utility to local resident who don't 01:56:58.079 --> 01:56:59.520 purchase their own cars and can make 01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:01.439 their cost of living significantly 01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:02.880 cheaper we've heard people talking about 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:04.960 concerns about cost of living car share 01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:07.119 programs certainly some can do that but 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:09.079 it's also something that's helping our 01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:10.439 environment because it's going to be 01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:12.039 taking more Vehicles off the road as 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:14.000 well so there are lots of reasons why we 01:57:14.079 --> 01:57:16.600 should support this and I'd encourage 01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:17.800 everyone to get the word out there 01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:19.319 through your socials that we've got this 01:57:19.399 --> 01:57:21.479 program running out there let's try and 01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:22.840 get as many people involved in the 01:57:22.920 --> 01:57:24.079 program as well because there are all 01:57:24.159 --> 01:57:25.640 sorts of reasons both financial and 01:57:25.720 --> 01:57:27.239 environmental where they should get 01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:29.319 involved and secondly 01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:31.479 um hopefully when we get our 01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:33.720 electronic sensors installed as part of 01:57:33.800 --> 01:57:36.640 our new parking Management program if we 01:57:36.720 --> 01:57:38.520 could start with our parking sensors in 01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:39.840 those areas where we've got our cashes 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:41.439 we'd have a very very accurate record of 01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:42.880 how well they're being used and be 01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:44.920 better able to Target whether the 01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:46.520 parking spots that we're using are being 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:48.039 used appropriately or whether we should 01:57:48.119 --> 01:57:49.960 use those resources elsewhere but only 01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:53.600 too please to support this motion 01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:55.600 great thank you councilman projectors 01:57:55.680 --> 01:57:57.560 thank you Matt yeah I think this is a 01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:01.319 really good way of reducing the use of 01:58:01.399 --> 01:58:03.479 cars in our city of reducing emissions 01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:05.399 of providing a cost-effective way for 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:08.279 people to get around it's not perfect 01:58:08.359 --> 01:58:09.880 and it will certainly change over time 01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:11.199 but I think at the moment it's meaning 01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:12.960 our objectives on many fronts and it's 01:58:13.039 --> 01:58:15.079 really exciting to see it continue thank 01:58:15.159 --> 01:58:17.600 you lovely anybody else want to speak to 01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:18.640 the item 01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:21.560 cancer Clerk 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:23.920 thank you man uh 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:26.399 well I am supportive of this policy in a 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:28.640 general sense I do have a couple of 01:58:28.720 --> 01:58:31.319 significant concerns with it the first 01:58:31.399 --> 01:58:34.039 one is that uh 01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:36.640 given the council's increasing rates to 01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:39.760 Residents and we've heard from you know 01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:41.520 a number of people about the hardship 01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:43.720 and the struggling nature the cost of 01:58:43.800 --> 01:58:46.840 living uh I think it's disappointing 01:58:46.920 --> 01:58:49.800 that this policy is not uh aiming to be 01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:51.840 made cost neutral immediately rather 01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:54.840 than in three years time the other side 01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:56.800 of this I'm not sure why we're running 01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.880 this uh not in a cost-neutral way given 01:58:59.960 --> 01:59:01.359 all the pressures on council's budget 01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:04.640 and the person here spoke tonight on 01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:07.359 behalf of the company and it's uh if it 01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:09.760 is as successful as everyone is talking 01:59:09.840 --> 01:59:11.960 about I wouldn't see why they couldn't 01:59:12.039 --> 01:59:15.039 pay the appropriate amount to help make 01:59:15.119 --> 01:59:17.039 this cost neutral to council 01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:19.960 also losing a car space in your street 01:59:20.039 --> 01:59:22.039 has a high value for the community it 01:59:22.119 --> 01:59:24.359 has a high value for the inconvenience 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:27.039 of the residents who no longer have that 01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:30.079 car space and a commercial business 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:32.399 should pay an appropriate costs which 01:59:32.479 --> 01:59:35.560 500 doesn't begin to cover the costs for 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:37.359 the impact to the residents who can no 01:59:37.439 --> 01:59:39.359 longer park there the other part of this 01:59:39.439 --> 01:59:42.239 policy that I'm actually not supportive 01:59:42.319 --> 01:59:44.079 of at all is what we are calling a 01:59:44.159 --> 01:59:46.319 floating car share vehicle 01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:49.239 residents May and and people are 01:59:49.319 --> 01:59:50.760 attending this meeting or watching 01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:52.640 online may not realize that this means 01:59:52.720 --> 01:59:54.640 the council can come into as any Street 01:59:54.720 --> 01:59:59.000 and trial putting cast share a car spot 01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:01.920 anywhere in that street and then the 02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:04.000 consultation starts after they park the 02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:06.640 car there and and then they see how 02:00:06.720 --> 02:00:09.880 residents for three months so I think 02:00:09.960 --> 02:00:12.600 that would be a challenge for residents 02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:15.399 most of them now are obviously put near 02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:18.520 High streets or or stations or things 02:00:18.600 --> 02:00:20.079 like that I think it's a totally 02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:21.640 different proposition to come into 02:00:21.720 --> 02:00:24.840 another residential street which maybe 02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:26.399 he doesn't have restrictions and then 02:00:26.479 --> 02:00:28.800 just have a go get or one of the other 02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:32.760 brands car spaces car parks there and 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:34.439 then the community or the res students 02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:37.840 have to see how that works so yeah I'm 02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:39.239 not supportive of that part of it 02:00:39.319 --> 02:00:41.880 overall I think you know providing this 02:00:41.960 --> 02:00:43.199 service is good 02:00:43.279 --> 02:00:45.359 hopefully in the future we'll make it 02:00:45.439 --> 02:00:48.159 cost neutral sooner than three years and 02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:51.159 that's my feedback thank you 02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:52.840 thank you anyone else want to speak 02:00:52.920 --> 02:00:54.960 cancer circov 02:00:55.039 --> 02:00:57.159 I think you may uh follow me up from 02:00:57.239 --> 02:01:00.000 Council Clark about 02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:02.680 um IFA car share or a floating car share 02:01:02.760 --> 02:01:06.000 uh works in your street or not 02:01:06.079 --> 02:01:07.840 um no notably if it doesn't work in your 02:01:07.920 --> 02:01:11.079 street I did ask a um one of the council 02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:12.159 officers 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:15.359 about a week ago I think it was 02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:18.760 about the uh if we could clue include 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:21.640 somehow somewhere in our policy 02:01:21.720 --> 02:01:24.039 um uh what what would be the protocols 02:01:24.119 --> 02:01:26.800 that a resident or residents could get 02:01:26.880 --> 02:01:28.079 back to council 02:01:28.159 --> 02:01:32.039 if that car space was not was being 02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:35.560 underutilized or if it was causing 02:01:35.640 --> 02:01:36.399 um 02:01:36.479 --> 02:01:39.079 uh issues in your with parking your 02:01:39.159 --> 02:01:43.039 street and I was informed that if 02:01:43.119 --> 02:01:45.039 residents do have those issues or 02:01:45.119 --> 02:01:48.880 concerns that there is a frequently 02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:51.359 asked questions section in the policy 02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:54.520 which they can refer to if they want to 02:01:54.600 --> 02:01:57.520 follow up on having such issues 02:01:57.600 --> 02:02:00.600 addressed thank you 02:02:01.920 --> 02:02:04.199 thank you cancer Crawford did you want 02:02:04.279 --> 02:02:06.239 to speak to the Adam 02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:08.680 oh yes thank you mayor I just wanted to 02:02:08.760 --> 02:02:11.199 speak in support of this policy 02:02:11.279 --> 02:02:13.000 um you know um there's been a few 02:02:13.079 --> 02:02:15.399 supposed disadvantages mentioned there 02:02:15.479 --> 02:02:17.880 but I think we need to realize that 02:02:17.960 --> 02:02:20.199 given we just do not have enough car 02:02:20.279 --> 02:02:23.079 spaces on our on our streets for the 02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:24.239 number of people that may need to 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:26.119 utilize we are removing the need for 02:02:26.199 --> 02:02:29.000 people to buy you know nine cars so 02:02:29.079 --> 02:02:31.119 actually it's the most efficient way we 02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:33.520 can actually provide all residents with 02:02:33.600 --> 02:02:35.760 the opportunity either to park or to get 02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:38.439 around our city with um also reducing 02:02:38.520 --> 02:02:42.039 emissions and general traffic so I'm 02:02:42.119 --> 02:02:43.359 very supportive of this and I just 02:02:43.439 --> 02:02:44.760 wanted to correct something so Council 02:02:44.840 --> 02:02:46.119 Park unfortunately there is going to be 02:02:46.199 --> 02:02:48.239 consultation prior to any exploding car 02:02:48.319 --> 02:02:50.399 uh child going in so there is kind of a 02:02:50.479 --> 02:02:51.960 consultation of community around it's 02:02:52.039 --> 02:02:53.560 not just going to go in without that 02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:55.479 happening um I just checked the policy 02:02:55.560 --> 02:02:57.000 as you said it so I just want to correct 02:02:57.079 --> 02:02:58.319 that on the record 02:02:58.399 --> 02:03:00.000 um so I do hope other counselors support 02:03:00.079 --> 02:03:01.600 this obviously there's constant 02:03:01.680 --> 02:03:03.359 tweakings around where the local they 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:05.600 are located but given that we want 02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:07.920 everyone we not everyone can have a car 02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:10.199 and we want people to be the most 02:03:10.279 --> 02:03:11.880 efficient with their Mobility around the 02:03:11.960 --> 02:03:14.199 city um I hope you will support this 02:03:14.279 --> 02:03:16.039 thank you I'm gonna take the opportunity 02:03:16.119 --> 02:03:17.520 because we've had two counselors say 02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:19.239 different things to the council offices 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:22.199 to clarify on that statement made which 02:03:22.279 --> 02:03:23.079 ones 02:03:23.159 --> 02:03:24.880 accurate 02:03:24.960 --> 02:03:27.920 through email before a floating car 02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:31.479 share vehicle was placed in a street 02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:33.079 um for clarification they would have to 02:03:33.159 --> 02:03:35.279 abide by any parking controls in that 02:03:35.359 --> 02:03:37.239 street so they would have to adhere to 02:03:37.319 --> 02:03:39.399 the controls if they were unrestricted 02:03:39.479 --> 02:03:41.000 that would be the main location they 02:03:41.079 --> 02:03:43.920 would be located in before that vehicle 02:03:44.000 --> 02:03:45.520 was placed in that street or that area 02:03:45.600 --> 02:03:47.800 the residents would be informed of that 02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:49.800 and informed that the process of the 02:03:49.880 --> 02:03:51.520 trial for three months to see how it 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:53.880 works encourage people to become members 02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:55.319 and give it a go see if the program 02:03:55.399 --> 02:03:57.640 works for them and after three months 02:03:57.720 --> 02:03:59.439 that the feedback through the 02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:01.000 consultation would be taken into account 02:04:01.079 --> 02:04:03.880 to determine whether a permanent Bay or 02:04:03.960 --> 02:04:05.800 whether the floating Bay would continue 02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:07.119 for that further eight months is 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:09.960 outlined in the guidelines thank you 02:04:10.039 --> 02:04:12.159 clarifying question all right counselor 02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:15.960 just to clarify that the car park spot 02:04:16.039 --> 02:04:19.039 is put into the street and then over the 02:04:19.119 --> 02:04:21.479 three-month trial you seek feedback from 02:04:21.560 --> 02:04:23.760 the residents as to how it's working is 02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:25.199 that right 02:04:25.279 --> 02:04:28.359 through email so the floating car share 02:04:28.439 --> 02:04:30.880 Vehicles don't have a dedicated Bay they 02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:32.680 are able to be parked in any location 02:04:32.760 --> 02:04:34.000 where they can follow the parking 02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:36.640 restrictions when that was introduced to 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:38.760 the street or area the residents would 02:04:38.840 --> 02:04:41.399 be informed of that and it was it the 02:04:41.479 --> 02:04:42.840 three months would be looking at whether 02:04:42.920 --> 02:04:45.279 that's working in there so they would be 02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:47.560 informed of it consulted on if they 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:48.840 thought it was working if they thought 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:51.000 it wasn't working and look at that over 02:04:51.079 --> 02:04:52.640 that initial three-month period of that 02:04:52.720 --> 02:04:54.479 floating trial thank you but just to be 02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:56.520 clear for Council Crawford it's 02:04:56.600 --> 02:04:58.800 introduced and then sort and the 02:04:58.880 --> 02:05:00.720 feedback is sought over the three-month 02:05:00.800 --> 02:05:04.159 period that it's introduced 02:05:09.640 --> 02:05:13.840 yeah three more so yes sorry to be clear 02:05:13.920 --> 02:05:15.720 um it would be an informed piece when 02:05:15.800 --> 02:05:17.439 the floating car share vehicle is put in 02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:20.119 that area or Street and the three months 02:05:20.199 --> 02:05:21.960 would allow for that consultation and 02:05:22.039 --> 02:05:23.399 feedback from the residents to be 02:05:23.479 --> 02:05:25.720 provided so the vehicle would be in 02:05:25.800 --> 02:05:27.159 place while that consultation was taking 02:05:27.239 --> 02:05:29.600 place thank you that wasn't clear all 02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:31.520 right we have a few more counselors 02:05:31.600 --> 02:05:32.920 haven't spoken does anybody else want to 02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:34.039 speak to this 02:05:34.119 --> 02:05:35.920 if not 02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:38.880 Council Martin would Jack to close 02:05:38.960 --> 02:05:41.199 again can only come in the policy do I 02:05:41.279 --> 02:05:42.960 note Counselor Clark is concerned that 02:05:43.039 --> 02:05:45.000 it's not cost neutral yet 02:05:45.079 --> 02:05:46.640 and I agree with councilor Clark I'd 02:05:46.720 --> 02:05:47.800 certainly hope that it will be cast 02:05:47.880 --> 02:05:49.479 neutral but I think because of the many 02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:51.279 advantages introducing the scheme I 02:05:51.359 --> 02:05:53.399 think we can I personally am comfortable 02:05:53.479 --> 02:05:54.640 with Council wearing for a couple of 02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:57.640 years at least and an initial cost to 02:05:57.720 --> 02:05:59.760 get the scheme up and running but yes I 02:05:59.840 --> 02:06:01.239 would certainly hope that by the end of 02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:03.720 three period it will be cost neutral and 02:06:03.800 --> 02:06:05.079 bearing that in mind let's hope we can 02:06:05.159 --> 02:06:06.840 all support the policy 02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:09.479 all right I will now put the motion to a 02:06:09.560 --> 02:06:12.159 vote all those in favor 02:06:12.239 --> 02:06:14.680 all right that's carried oh sorry all 02:06:14.760 --> 02:06:17.920 those against sorry there we go 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:20.920 that's carried 02:06:23.079 --> 02:06:26.880 thank you we'll now move on to 12.1 02:06:26.960 --> 02:06:29.079 Carlisle Street special rate review 02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:32.319 consideration of submissions 02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:33.760 counselors do we have any questions of 02:06:33.840 --> 02:06:37.199 the officers in relation to this report 02:06:39.840 --> 02:06:42.479 I don't see any hands Louise online do 02:06:42.560 --> 02:06:44.800 you have any shake your head or no 02:06:44.880 --> 02:06:46.920 no questions okay thank you oh counselor 02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:49.319 Pro thanks man if we could get some 02:06:49.399 --> 02:06:51.520 clarity On the Border particularly the 02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:53.439 Chapel Street so Carlisle Street St 02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:56.920 Kilda versus Carlisle Street balaclava 02:06:57.000 --> 02:06:59.119 um a couple of Traders have raised 02:06:59.199 --> 02:07:02.000 concerns about the ballot um Carlisle 02:07:02.079 --> 02:07:04.600 streets in Kilda being included 02:07:04.680 --> 02:07:06.079 um what's the rationale for including 02:07:06.159 --> 02:07:07.800 that section of the street which is 02:07:07.880 --> 02:07:09.640 clearly distinct from the 02:07:09.720 --> 02:07:11.520 other end of the street not sure which 02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:13.119 direction it's in is the first question 02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:16.720 second question is is how would Council 02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:19.960 and councilors be relatively assured 02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:22.800 that the group in Carlisle streets in 02:07:22.880 --> 02:07:25.359 Kilda will benefit from this Trader 02:07:25.439 --> 02:07:26.800 Association 02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:29.000 Lauren Bell car 02:07:29.079 --> 02:07:31.319 uh through umaire there are a number of 02:07:31.399 --> 02:07:34.039 ways to cut the barrier 02:07:34.119 --> 02:07:35.880 um you know including there was a 02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:38.000 speaker tonight from the Nelson Street 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:40.439 side behind other cos car park as well 02:07:40.520 --> 02:07:43.000 that was also an area of consideration 02:07:43.079 --> 02:07:44.520 um in the end it was sort of decided to 02:07:44.600 --> 02:07:46.000 include all businesses that would be 02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:48.159 likely to benefit from the rates so all 02:07:48.239 --> 02:07:50.399 people that would likely benefit from 02:07:50.479 --> 02:07:52.239 increased marketing and promotion and 02:07:52.319 --> 02:07:54.239 activation of the area 02:07:54.319 --> 02:07:56.119 um that there is the opportunity to look 02:07:56.199 --> 02:07:58.520 at the boundary further in in the next 02:07:58.600 --> 02:08:01.720 month if counselors wish to do so the 02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:04.720 second question relating to how we 02:08:04.800 --> 02:08:08.199 ensure that the Traders and the the 02:08:08.279 --> 02:08:11.279 property owners receive benefit is how 02:08:11.359 --> 02:08:14.079 we work with all Trader associations 02:08:14.159 --> 02:08:16.199 um you know we expect them to adhere to 02:08:16.279 --> 02:08:18.039 the highest standards in in their 02:08:18.119 --> 02:08:19.920 reporting in their activity we work with 02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:22.239 them closely we work with the precinct 02:08:22.319 --> 02:08:25.800 coordinator closely they have submitted 02:08:25.880 --> 02:08:27.520 a business plan 02:08:27.600 --> 02:08:30.000 um today they endorse that at their 02:08:30.079 --> 02:08:31.960 association meeting last night so 02:08:32.039 --> 02:08:34.479 unfortunately that was not provided in 02:08:34.560 --> 02:08:36.399 time for today it's it's with you now 02:08:36.479 --> 02:08:38.560 the president of the association has 02:08:38.640 --> 02:08:40.520 apologized and said he had stuffing 02:08:40.600 --> 02:08:42.239 issues today and wasn't able to get it 02:08:42.319 --> 02:08:44.199 out today which is a shame it will be 02:08:44.279 --> 02:08:47.199 provided to those that objected and to 02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:49.039 others but they do they are in the 02:08:49.119 --> 02:08:51.039 beginnings of putting a plan together in 02:08:51.119 --> 02:08:52.319 that plan you'll see a number of 02:08:52.399 --> 02:08:55.000 proposed activations festivals marketing 02:08:55.079 --> 02:08:56.600 campaigns and offices will work very 02:08:56.680 --> 02:08:58.720 closely with them in ensuring those as 02:08:58.800 --> 02:09:00.520 successful as they can be should 02:09:00.600 --> 02:09:03.640 counselors decide to proceed 02:09:03.720 --> 02:09:05.600 councilman question 02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:07.520 when I was reading the council papers 02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:10.960 there are a number of um objectors who 02:09:11.039 --> 02:09:12.479 when I read their objections they didn't 02:09:12.560 --> 02:09:13.920 really seem to fully understand the 02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:16.039 implications of the rate nor what has 02:09:16.119 --> 02:09:17.119 happened in other areas where we've 02:09:17.199 --> 02:09:18.840 introduced this 02:09:18.920 --> 02:09:19.800 um 02:09:19.880 --> 02:09:22.960 are we comfortable that all the 02:09:23.039 --> 02:09:24.760 traders in that area have had a chance 02:09:24.840 --> 02:09:26.520 to at least hear some of the success 02:09:26.600 --> 02:09:27.960 stories in areas like Bay Street which 02:09:28.039 --> 02:09:29.520 I'm quite familiar with and that 02:09:29.600 --> 02:09:31.119 Association has gone gangbusters for 02:09:31.199 --> 02:09:32.560 many many years 02:09:32.640 --> 02:09:35.119 um and if not would it be would it be 02:09:35.199 --> 02:09:36.479 feasible to 02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:38.439 do a little bit more information so we 02:09:38.520 --> 02:09:40.239 can inform those people so if and when 02:09:40.319 --> 02:09:42.079 Council comes back to make it to make 02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:43.840 its final decision 02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:46.439 um that perhaps some of those traders 02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:48.640 who have initially objected May in fact 02:09:48.720 --> 02:09:50.119 come back to us and say oh well we've 02:09:50.199 --> 02:09:51.880 now now that we're better informed we'd 02:09:51.960 --> 02:09:53.079 like to withdraw our objections that's 02:09:53.159 --> 02:09:54.520 something we could pursue 02:09:54.600 --> 02:09:57.079 uh through UMass certainly um several of 02:09:57.159 --> 02:09:59.079 the people that spoke this evening were 02:09:59.159 --> 02:10:01.000 Property Owners rather than Traders and 02:10:01.079 --> 02:10:03.000 many of them actually have um properties 02:10:03.079 --> 02:10:05.319 that are vacant at present and don't 02:10:05.399 --> 02:10:07.640 have tenants in trading so the 02:10:07.720 --> 02:10:09.239 consultant that spoke this evening that 02:10:09.319 --> 02:10:10.319 has worked with all those other 02:10:10.399 --> 02:10:12.840 organizations Port Melbourne and Acklin 02:10:12.920 --> 02:10:15.000 Street in Fitzroy Street has certainly 02:10:15.079 --> 02:10:16.840 walked the streets and so have the 02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:18.880 Association members talking to everyone 02:10:18.960 --> 02:10:21.520 that is actually there and available on 02:10:21.600 --> 02:10:23.680 the street but obviously accessing some 02:10:23.760 --> 02:10:25.319 of the property owners that you know 02:10:25.399 --> 02:10:27.239 aren't on site and that don't live in 02:10:27.319 --> 02:10:29.800 the area has been more challenging we 02:10:29.880 --> 02:10:33.159 can certainly make that offer we have 02:10:33.239 --> 02:10:34.239 already made the offer for that 02:10:34.319 --> 02:10:35.800 consultant to speak to them we can 02:10:35.880 --> 02:10:37.359 certainly try and provide more 02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:39.640 information and I know the other Trader 02:10:39.720 --> 02:10:41.319 Association presidents would be very 02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:43.600 open to speaking to anybody about their 02:10:43.680 --> 02:10:46.439 experiences as well 02:10:46.520 --> 02:10:48.640 thank you I have a question I see that 02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:51.159 tonight what the recommendation is is to 02:10:51.239 --> 02:10:54.039 consider all the submissions and of 02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:56.439 objections and support but also that 02:10:56.520 --> 02:10:57.960 it's referring that we will bring this 02:10:58.039 --> 02:11:00.279 to an ordinary meeting to just to 02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:03.279 declare to vote on the actual right on 02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:05.680 the 17th of May 2023. 02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:08.800 what is the process from here to get to 02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:11.279 that decision point should we want to do 02:11:11.359 --> 02:11:13.000 other things 02:11:13.079 --> 02:11:14.520 I just want to understand how we're 02:11:14.600 --> 02:11:15.880 going to get to a decision point if it's 02:11:15.960 --> 02:11:18.960 not supported now we could refuse it but 02:11:19.039 --> 02:11:20.800 is there something Middle Ground of 02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:22.239 looking at a lesser rate or something 02:11:22.319 --> 02:11:24.760 that may get more people interested 02:11:24.840 --> 02:11:28.039 through Uma as we didn't meet the 02:11:28.119 --> 02:11:30.039 objection threshold rate under the Local 02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:32.680 Government Act we are able to consider 02:11:32.760 --> 02:11:35.000 alternate recommendations in the council 02:11:35.079 --> 02:11:37.439 report on May 17 so if counselors wish 02:11:37.520 --> 02:11:40.359 us to provide options on lower rates and 02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:42.359 the average and medium impacts they 02:11:42.439 --> 02:11:44.279 would have on on businesses we're able 02:11:44.359 --> 02:11:46.720 to do that as part of the next report so 02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:48.520 what we can do is circulate some options 02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:50.760 to councilors for consideration and get 02:11:50.840 --> 02:11:52.199 some feedback as to what you wish to 02:11:52.279 --> 02:11:55.319 have um included in that next report 02:11:55.399 --> 02:11:58.359 so prior to that meeting on 17th of May 02:11:58.439 --> 02:12:01.039 if say we gave some indication what we 02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:02.520 wanted to do you would possibly go back 02:12:02.600 --> 02:12:05.000 to the objectors so that was notified we 02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:06.520 could hear if they want to withdraw or 02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:09.079 support through email I'll come back to 02:12:09.159 --> 02:12:11.119 all councilors this week and and seek 02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:13.239 feedback as to whether uh seeking a 02:12:13.319 --> 02:12:14.760 lower rate for example is something you 02:12:14.840 --> 02:12:16.319 wish to consider if you do wish to 02:12:16.399 --> 02:12:17.920 consider that then we can go back to all 02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:20.399 those objectives and and see if a lower 02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:22.199 rate would change their objection thank 02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:24.560 you any other questions counselor Pearl 02:12:24.640 --> 02:12:26.800 thanks man admit I haven't been on 02:12:26.880 --> 02:12:28.960 Council once when a Trader Association 02:12:29.039 --> 02:12:31.039 was incorporated but I do recall in 02:12:31.119 --> 02:12:33.079 briefings in the past we were told the 02:12:33.159 --> 02:12:34.960 first time a trade Association gets 02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:37.199 Incorporated that they the first survey 02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:38.880 or the first vote taken of Traders is 02:12:38.960 --> 02:12:39.960 usually 02:12:40.039 --> 02:12:41.319 um to be passed with a two-thirds 02:12:41.399 --> 02:12:43.359 majority I know that's not in the ACT 02:12:43.439 --> 02:12:46.199 currently did that actually occur in the 02:12:46.279 --> 02:12:48.239 past or has it always been 50 can we get 02:12:48.319 --> 02:12:50.399 some clarification there hasn't been an 02:12:50.479 --> 02:12:52.319 association declared in about um I think 02:12:52.399 --> 02:12:55.039 15 or 20 years so I don't have any 02:12:55.119 --> 02:12:57.640 record of that and it's not mentioned in 02:12:57.720 --> 02:12:59.920 those initial Council reports so I have 02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:01.960 received that feedback as well we can't 02:13:02.039 --> 02:13:03.880 find documentation of it anywhere though 02:13:03.960 --> 02:13:05.399 thank you for that much appreciated 02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:07.319 thank you any other questions counselor 02:13:07.399 --> 02:13:09.880 sierkov 02:13:10.159 --> 02:13:13.479 following on from uh the mayor earlier 02:13:13.560 --> 02:13:15.079 question 02:13:15.159 --> 02:13:16.720 um just 02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:18.000 it 02:13:18.079 --> 02:13:21.560 wondering if if the business plan is now 02:13:21.640 --> 02:13:23.479 distributed amongst all those other 02:13:23.560 --> 02:13:26.560 Traders 02:13:27.000 --> 02:13:30.399 um is it possible to kind of get a 02:13:30.479 --> 02:13:33.000 better indication now or a bit more 02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:35.920 support to see if this is really what 02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:39.239 the uh that that strip really wants in 02:13:39.319 --> 02:13:40.800 the end because if they don't make 02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:42.479 change their mind 02:13:42.560 --> 02:13:45.640 I'm kind of wondering then 02:13:45.720 --> 02:13:49.359 um this is probably not a a program or a 02:13:49.439 --> 02:13:51.840 project or Association that really wants 02:13:51.920 --> 02:13:54.279 to will will be supported by a majority 02:13:54.359 --> 02:13:55.720 of the street 02:13:55.800 --> 02:13:57.239 um so through you now we can certainly 02:13:57.319 --> 02:13:59.600 as I said go back to those objectives 02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:02.439 and and try and re-engage with them 02:14:02.520 --> 02:14:05.680 um the the official objection rate was 02:14:05.760 --> 02:14:07.600 even including the the non-valid 02:14:07.680 --> 02:14:11.479 objections was 21.63 so that can suggest 02:14:11.560 --> 02:14:13.920 that sort of approximately 78 we're 02:14:14.000 --> 02:14:15.960 either apathetic or were positive which 02:14:16.039 --> 02:14:18.840 which is possibly a reasonable support 02:14:18.920 --> 02:14:19.840 rate 02:14:19.920 --> 02:14:22.039 um so it also depends 02:14:22.119 --> 02:14:24.279 um which way you want to view that based 02:14:24.359 --> 02:14:27.039 on feedback from other associations the 02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:29.600 renewals tend to get a higher rate of 02:14:29.680 --> 02:14:31.640 support because they have proven success 02:14:31.720 --> 02:14:33.479 so you know if you're being asked to 02:14:33.560 --> 02:14:34.960 renew a special rate after five years 02:14:35.039 --> 02:14:37.359 it's very easy to prove benefit of the 02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:40.640 last five years most landlords will pass 02:14:40.720 --> 02:14:43.439 the rate on to tenants um so tenants 02:14:43.520 --> 02:14:45.560 also are in a better position to comment 02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.560 on the success or other after the five 02:14:47.640 --> 02:14:49.479 years whereas right now it's landlords 02:14:49.560 --> 02:14:51.279 commenting rather than the businesses 02:14:51.359 --> 02:14:53.600 themselves in many instances which I do 02:14:53.680 --> 02:14:55.720 think makes a difference 02:14:55.800 --> 02:14:58.720 thank you any other questions otherwise 02:14:58.800 --> 02:15:01.600 I'll look for a mover of the item 02:15:01.680 --> 02:15:03.560 cancel everyone to move 02:15:03.640 --> 02:15:06.520 and Counselor Clark to second 02:15:06.600 --> 02:15:07.960 cancer Bond would you like to speak to 02:15:08.039 --> 02:15:08.760 the Adam 02:15:08.840 --> 02:15:09.479 um 02:15:09.560 --> 02:15:11.279 yeah sorry a big supporter of our local 02:15:11.359 --> 02:15:14.119 Traders associations as I have seen 02:15:14.199 --> 02:15:15.520 their work 02:15:15.600 --> 02:15:17.800 um first hand 02:15:17.880 --> 02:15:20.680 and what great jobs they have done for 02:15:20.760 --> 02:15:23.319 their streets over the years we have 02:15:23.399 --> 02:15:24.880 three of them set up at the moment Port 02:15:24.960 --> 02:15:26.239 Melbourne 02:15:26.319 --> 02:15:29.119 Street and Ackland Street 02:15:29.199 --> 02:15:32.079 Port Melbourne has probably done a 02:15:32.159 --> 02:15:34.319 magnificent job for I don't know how 02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:35.680 long it's been going with it's 20 years 02:15:35.760 --> 02:15:37.079 now 02:15:37.159 --> 02:15:39.880 with some passionate local traders who 02:15:39.960 --> 02:15:42.760 have driven that Traders Association and 02:15:42.840 --> 02:15:44.920 you know they have 02:15:45.000 --> 02:15:46.479 organized 02:15:46.560 --> 02:15:48.560 not just advocacy for their streets but 02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:50.279 many great events for their streets 02:15:50.359 --> 02:15:51.840 which are now annual events I think 02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:53.479 there's the puppy walk down there in the 02:15:53.560 --> 02:15:54.840 Christmas markets and things like that 02:15:54.920 --> 02:15:56.680 in Bay Street 02:15:56.760 --> 02:15:57.880 um Atkins Street have done something 02:15:57.960 --> 02:16:01.199 similar with their special rate money 02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:03.960 and you know the echo street car show 02:16:04.039 --> 02:16:05.399 happens every year it's one of their 02:16:05.479 --> 02:16:07.039 biggest trading days of the year they've 02:16:07.119 --> 02:16:09.760 organized winter activities Christmas 02:16:09.840 --> 02:16:12.640 activities they participate in the Blues 02:16:12.720 --> 02:16:16.319 Fest there's a long list of of events 02:16:16.399 --> 02:16:19.800 that Ackland Street 02:16:19.880 --> 02:16:20.560 um 02:16:20.640 --> 02:16:23.399 Traders organized by themselves and 02:16:23.479 --> 02:16:24.760 sometimes with the assistance of council 02:16:24.840 --> 02:16:27.039 officers for their Street 02:16:27.119 --> 02:16:30.960 to assist their street and they also do 02:16:31.039 --> 02:16:33.479 a lot of advocacy work it gives Council 02:16:33.559 --> 02:16:35.079 one point of contact when we need to 02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:37.200 discuss issues with with those streets 02:16:37.280 --> 02:16:40.920 instead of having to deal with up to 200 02:16:41.000 --> 02:16:44.559 separate Traders and 02:16:44.639 --> 02:16:45.200 um 02:16:45.280 --> 02:16:46.959 try and get your message across to all 02:16:47.040 --> 02:16:48.879 of them Fitzroy likewise has done a 02:16:48.959 --> 02:16:51.399 great job over the years they've done 02:16:51.479 --> 02:16:54.079 you know things Halloween programs they 02:16:54.159 --> 02:16:55.719 always participate in the St Kilda 02:16:55.799 --> 02:16:58.120 Festival this year's St Kilda Festival 02:16:58.200 --> 02:16:59.440 they use part of their special rate 02:16:59.520 --> 02:17:01.440 money to pay for all the outdoor Trading 02:17:01.520 --> 02:17:05.200 on the streets with a one 02:17:05.280 --> 02:17:08.079 payment to to council to cover every 02:17:08.159 --> 02:17:09.719 single Trader on the streets outdoor 02:17:09.799 --> 02:17:11.639 Trading and Fitzroy Street was a great 02:17:11.719 --> 02:17:13.120 day during the secular festival with all 02:17:13.200 --> 02:17:15.479 the activation on the streets 02:17:15.559 --> 02:17:17.360 um what are sort of the listening to the 02:17:17.440 --> 02:17:19.440 people tonight who spoke against it what 02:17:19.520 --> 02:17:21.079 they sort of don't understand that this 02:17:21.159 --> 02:17:23.319 is not yeah this is not a tax on your 02:17:23.399 --> 02:17:25.200 businesses this is 02:17:25.280 --> 02:17:29.280 you as Traders raising money for you as 02:17:29.360 --> 02:17:31.040 traders to decide how to spend it's not 02:17:31.120 --> 02:17:32.639 Council that decides how to spends it 02:17:32.719 --> 02:17:35.000 it's not Council that that keeps it the 02:17:35.079 --> 02:17:37.760 money goes to the Traders and if you 02:17:37.840 --> 02:17:39.399 want to have a say in how that money is 02:17:39.479 --> 02:17:40.840 spent it's disappointing there's no one 02:17:40.920 --> 02:17:41.920 in the chambers tonight they've all left 02:17:42.000 --> 02:17:42.920 but hopefully they're listening online 02:17:43.000 --> 02:17:44.760 you want to have a say in how that money 02:17:44.840 --> 02:17:46.479 is spent put your hand up and get 02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:48.040 involved in the Traders Association 02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:50.360 plenty of people do that down in Fitzroy 02:17:50.440 --> 02:17:51.520 Street plenty of people do that down at 02:17:51.600 --> 02:17:53.680 Akron Street and Bay Street and you you 02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:55.600 want to decide how that money gets spent 02:17:55.680 --> 02:17:57.200 how your money gets spent by your 02:17:57.280 --> 02:17:58.719 Traders Association put your hand up 02:17:58.799 --> 02:18:00.719 join the join the group join the 02:18:00.799 --> 02:18:02.319 committee and and go and help them have 02:18:02.399 --> 02:18:04.360 a say in how you think it's it should be 02:18:04.440 --> 02:18:07.000 spent I know all the other groups do a 02:18:07.079 --> 02:18:08.959 lot of great social media work 02:18:09.040 --> 02:18:11.360 um for promoting their streets and 02:18:11.440 --> 02:18:12.879 letting everyone know what's what's 02:18:12.959 --> 02:18:14.440 happening in the streets so there are 02:18:14.520 --> 02:18:16.959 massive benefits for for people in the 02:18:17.040 --> 02:18:18.479 street I know that there may be some 02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:20.520 businesses that feel you know run a dry 02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:22.120 cleaners or run an accountancy firm it's 02:18:22.200 --> 02:18:23.680 not for me but 02:18:23.760 --> 02:18:26.079 um we I know we do have 02:18:26.159 --> 02:18:26.760 um 02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:28.479 you know Upstairs Downstairs rates 02:18:28.559 --> 02:18:30.200 there's you know two levels depending on 02:18:30.280 --> 02:18:31.600 the level of benefit or where you're 02:18:31.680 --> 02:18:33.760 located in the other streets and I I 02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:36.520 hopefully that's the case here as well 02:18:36.600 --> 02:18:37.719 um but certainly you know this is not 02:18:37.799 --> 02:18:39.280 Council taking your money so it's not a 02:18:39.360 --> 02:18:41.120 tax on your business it's your business 02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:43.440 contributing to the to the benefit of 02:18:43.520 --> 02:18:46.479 your streets and you get us to say in 02:18:46.559 --> 02:18:48.159 how it gets spent I need to stress that 02:18:48.239 --> 02:18:49.879 again and again it's not Council 02:18:49.959 --> 02:18:51.200 spending the money it's the Traders 02:18:51.280 --> 02:18:53.360 Association deciding how it gets spent 02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:56.760 and I've just had a quick look at the 02:18:56.840 --> 02:18:59.000 um the budgets and marketing plans and 02:18:59.079 --> 02:19:00.479 business plans that they've been sent 02:19:00.559 --> 02:19:02.120 through to us not long ago and yeah it 02:19:02.200 --> 02:19:03.280 looks like it's off to a great start 02:19:03.360 --> 02:19:05.440 we've never had an issue getting these 02:19:05.520 --> 02:19:08.799 special rates renewed before which is 02:19:08.879 --> 02:19:10.760 Testament to I think how Traders do see 02:19:10.840 --> 02:19:12.799 the value in in 02:19:12.879 --> 02:19:15.760 the in having a special rate and a 02:19:15.840 --> 02:19:18.159 Traders Association a well-funded 02:19:18.239 --> 02:19:20.559 Traders Association in their streets 02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:21.479 um 02:19:21.559 --> 02:19:23.959 over the past few years and I'm sure in 02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:25.559 five years time when this comes up for 02:19:25.639 --> 02:19:28.760 Renewal Carlisle Street will have the 02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:30.879 the same 02:19:30.959 --> 02:19:33.520 um ease of renewal it's just you know 02:19:33.600 --> 02:19:35.319 accept these concerns except this cost 02:19:35.399 --> 02:19:37.360 pressures in these businesses but yeah 02:19:37.440 --> 02:19:39.719 long term these are great ways for your 02:19:39.799 --> 02:19:41.920 streets to promote yourselves great way 02:19:42.000 --> 02:19:44.280 for your streets to Advocate as one 02:19:44.360 --> 02:19:46.000 group to council to the state government 02:19:46.079 --> 02:19:48.079 or to anyone else that you need need to 02:19:48.159 --> 02:19:49.959 advocate for so you know whilst I accept 02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:51.760 there are a few concerns you may not see 02:19:51.840 --> 02:19:55.079 the immediate benefits now but I'm sure 02:19:55.159 --> 02:19:57.760 you will in five years time when it 02:19:57.840 --> 02:19:59.360 comes time to Renewal you'll hopefully 02:19:59.440 --> 02:20:01.440 some many of them could say you know I 02:20:01.520 --> 02:20:02.760 was wrong I didn't think it would work 02:20:02.840 --> 02:20:04.479 but it has worked it does a great job 02:20:04.559 --> 02:20:06.639 and I streak as it hazed currently doing 02:20:06.719 --> 02:20:08.559 in the three other streets that have 02:20:08.639 --> 02:20:10.280 Traders associations and special rates 02:20:10.360 --> 02:20:12.520 so urge all my fellow councilors to 02:20:12.600 --> 02:20:14.360 support this because you know our 02:20:14.440 --> 02:20:16.239 Traders associations 02:20:16.319 --> 02:20:18.719 um do do a great job just another thing 02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:20.440 I'll point to is that the Chapel Street 02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:22.479 Traders Association 02:20:22.559 --> 02:20:24.600 when the council tried to cancel that 02:20:24.680 --> 02:20:26.120 recently on Chapel Street every single 02:20:26.200 --> 02:20:28.719 Trader on Chapel Street was outraged 02:20:28.799 --> 02:20:30.639 that they weren't going to be a member 02:20:30.719 --> 02:20:31.959 of or they weren't going to have a 02:20:32.040 --> 02:20:33.760 special raid scheme so that's how 02:20:33.840 --> 02:20:35.200 passionately the trade is on Chapel 02:20:35.280 --> 02:20:36.760 Street how much the trade is on Chapel 02:20:36.840 --> 02:20:39.479 Street valued their special rate scheme 02:20:39.559 --> 02:20:41.680 so you've only got to speak to the 02:20:41.760 --> 02:20:43.280 Traders in areas that currently have 02:20:43.360 --> 02:20:44.639 them and they will support this thank 02:20:44.719 --> 02:20:47.040 you thank you councilor Clark would you 02:20:47.120 --> 02:20:48.639 like to speak to the item I'll try to be 02:20:48.719 --> 02:20:51.159 Brie nice to me 02:20:51.239 --> 02:20:53.319 um a couple of things we heard some 02:20:53.399 --> 02:20:55.600 speakers talk about you know not 02:20:55.680 --> 02:20:57.040 necessarily needing a Traders 02:20:57.120 --> 02:20:58.760 Association because there's no there's 02:20:58.840 --> 02:21:01.200 no Bunnings and there's no Cinemas and 02:21:01.280 --> 02:21:04.440 referring to Elsa's Elston Wick 02:21:04.520 --> 02:21:06.799 um as Andrew bond has outlined 02:21:06.879 --> 02:21:09.639 extensively uh our successful other 02:21:09.719 --> 02:21:11.840 Traders association areas don't need 02:21:11.920 --> 02:21:14.440 those kind of businesses to be 02:21:14.520 --> 02:21:16.879 successful I think having been a 02:21:16.959 --> 02:21:19.559 resident in balaclava previously for 02:21:19.639 --> 02:21:22.760 over 10 years I've watched with dismay 02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:26.120 the deterioration in the street and I 02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:29.120 think this is one of the key things that 02:21:29.200 --> 02:21:31.959 will hopefully improve and build the 02:21:32.040 --> 02:21:34.479 street back up to what it used to be and 02:21:34.559 --> 02:21:36.719 what I know it can be a great shopping 02:21:36.799 --> 02:21:40.079 restaurant Precinct in our municipality 02:21:40.159 --> 02:21:41.719 uh 02:21:41.799 --> 02:21:45.479 yes it is the cost to those businesses 02:21:45.559 --> 02:21:48.479 but I'm hopeful like councilor bond that 02:21:48.559 --> 02:21:51.360 with some better explanation the sharing 02:21:51.440 --> 02:21:53.799 of the business plan maybe looking at 02:21:53.879 --> 02:21:56.440 some other things we can convince more 02:21:56.520 --> 02:21:58.879 of them I hope uh to be supportive 02:21:58.959 --> 02:22:02.280 because while the council is focused on 02:22:02.360 --> 02:22:04.000 the street and as councilors we've had 02:22:04.079 --> 02:22:06.399 conversations about what part we can 02:22:06.479 --> 02:22:09.200 play in improving the Street Council 02:22:09.280 --> 02:22:11.079 certainly can't do it all on their own 02:22:11.159 --> 02:22:14.280 we have limited funds too and I think 02:22:14.360 --> 02:22:17.120 the Traders need to be passionate and 02:22:17.200 --> 02:22:19.719 being you know engaged through this 02:22:19.799 --> 02:22:23.079 Trader organization to try and bring 02:22:23.159 --> 02:22:25.840 their part to improving this street and 02:22:25.920 --> 02:22:27.520 then ultimately improving their 02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:31.440 businesses so uh I you know it's 02:22:31.520 --> 02:22:34.280 concerning what we heard tonight but I I 02:22:34.360 --> 02:22:36.959 think there's things we can do to help 02:22:37.040 --> 02:22:40.079 explain it and help them understand it 02:22:40.159 --> 02:22:42.479 and I think from the landlord's point of 02:22:42.559 --> 02:22:44.319 view yes it is it was good to hear that 02:22:44.399 --> 02:22:46.559 explanation Lauren about how that goes 02:22:46.639 --> 02:22:49.479 and I think hopefully it will be 02:22:49.559 --> 02:22:51.639 um will be a success it does take a lot 02:22:51.719 --> 02:22:54.120 of work from the traders who are running 02:22:54.200 --> 02:22:56.319 the committee as the other Trader 02:22:56.399 --> 02:22:59.639 organizations have told us so as 02:22:59.719 --> 02:23:01.440 counselors you know I'm hoping you'll 02:23:01.520 --> 02:23:03.399 support this willing to support the 02:23:03.479 --> 02:23:04.920 trainer Association 02:23:05.000 --> 02:23:08.280 ourselves and and help them as we can 02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:10.840 and do want to proceed with this because 02:23:10.920 --> 02:23:12.600 I think it's critical to getting 02:23:12.680 --> 02:23:15.479 Carlisle Street back to its former glory 02:23:15.559 --> 02:23:17.920 thank you thank you I'm going to look 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:20.079 online first counselor Crawford do you 02:23:20.159 --> 02:23:21.200 want to speak to the Adam no okay 02:23:21.280 --> 02:23:22.680 councilman Martin 02:23:22.760 --> 02:23:24.040 I've been involved with the Bay Street 02:23:24.120 --> 02:23:25.719 Traders for 20 years and I see what a 02:23:25.799 --> 02:23:27.200 fantastic job they've done some of the 02:23:27.280 --> 02:23:29.040 amazing things have happened down there 02:23:29.120 --> 02:23:31.239 and Once Upon a Time Carlisle Street was 02:23:31.319 --> 02:23:32.799 my local shopping strip I know what it 02:23:32.879 --> 02:23:34.239 was like I know what it's like now I 02:23:34.319 --> 02:23:36.200 just hope that all those people who are 02:23:36.280 --> 02:23:39.399 behind this get on and push it and 02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:41.040 support it and talk to those people who 02:23:41.120 --> 02:23:42.600 aren't so sure who have been objectives 02:23:42.680 --> 02:23:43.840 and I'm sure our Council officers will 02:23:43.920 --> 02:23:45.479 support them and I think when we come 02:23:45.559 --> 02:23:47.280 back on May 17 let's hope that there's 02:23:47.360 --> 02:23:48.879 far more enthusiasm from the locals 02:23:48.959 --> 02:23:50.040 around Carlisle Street than we had 02:23:50.120 --> 02:23:51.200 tonight 02:23:51.280 --> 02:23:52.760 thank you anyone else want to speak to 02:23:52.840 --> 02:23:53.639 it 02:23:53.719 --> 02:23:58.000 if not cancer Bond you want to close 02:23:58.079 --> 02:23:59.840 let's go ahead and put that to the vote 02:23:59.920 --> 02:24:02.559 all those in favor 02:24:02.639 --> 02:24:06.159 it's like that's Carrie unanimous thanks 02:24:08.719 --> 02:24:12.360 okay let's go on to 02:24:12.440 --> 02:24:13.959 uh so it's a little bit out of order but 02:24:14.040 --> 02:24:16.600 we're going to go to 13.3 update on 02:24:16.680 --> 02:24:19.799 don't waste it Waste Management strategy 02:24:19.879 --> 02:24:22.840 2022-2025 implementation and waste 02:24:22.920 --> 02:24:27.159 charges review 2023. some long titles 02:24:27.239 --> 02:24:29.360 do we have any questions of the officers 02:24:29.440 --> 02:24:32.079 in relation to this item okay councilor 02:24:32.159 --> 02:24:34.440 Clark 02:24:37.440 --> 02:24:41.319 thanks Madame uh my question was just 02:24:41.399 --> 02:24:44.319 for some clarification around the 02:24:44.399 --> 02:24:47.040 reference to the communal section which 02:24:47.120 --> 02:24:49.719 I'm sure the appropriate officer will 02:24:49.799 --> 02:24:53.559 know what's I'm about to say uh 02:24:53.639 --> 02:24:56.040 my understanding which maybe I don't 02:24:56.120 --> 02:24:58.280 have correct was that the communal areas 02:24:58.360 --> 02:25:01.760 were so Fogo was going to Suds obviously 02:25:01.840 --> 02:25:05.680 curbside service muds have some communal 02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:08.639 some bins and then there's a communal 02:25:08.719 --> 02:25:11.680 um part of this which is I thought it 02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:14.120 was communal Fogo 02:25:14.200 --> 02:25:16.760 some part of the paper references 02:25:16.840 --> 02:25:19.760 communal food Organics hubs 02:25:19.840 --> 02:25:23.120 could you clarify is that Fogo or only 02:25:23.200 --> 02:25:26.079 food please 02:25:26.159 --> 02:25:29.079 Lachlan Johnson 02:25:29.159 --> 02:25:32.120 through me I might 02:25:32.200 --> 02:25:34.959 sorry three men I might defer to 02:25:35.040 --> 02:25:37.200 councils acting director of waste 02:25:37.280 --> 02:25:39.760 Futures Stacy Ward who can answer 02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:42.040 councilor Clark's question Stacy are you 02:25:42.120 --> 02:25:43.280 online 02:25:43.360 --> 02:25:45.920 yes yes 02:25:48.600 --> 02:25:49.879 we're more than happy 02:25:49.959 --> 02:25:52.559 to compulge our wording to say Camille 02:25:52.639 --> 02:25:54.959 Fogo we are concerned that it definitely 02:25:55.040 --> 02:25:57.799 can accept Garden Organics the wording 02:25:57.879 --> 02:26:00.040 for uh Camille throw that was previously 02:26:00.120 --> 02:26:03.040 used was just to ensure that we're not 02:26:03.120 --> 02:26:04.479 getting both materials and garden 02:26:04.559 --> 02:26:06.000 organic sort of filling up the bins 02:26:06.079 --> 02:26:07.840 because ultimately that would lead to 02:26:07.920 --> 02:26:10.079 potential capacity issues 02:26:10.159 --> 02:26:11.680 um we have altered our signage I believe 02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:13.959 to indicate that small amounts of garden 02:26:14.040 --> 02:26:15.639 Organics can be accepted things like 02:26:15.719 --> 02:26:17.120 herbs 02:26:17.200 --> 02:26:20.280 um flowers things like that we just 02:26:20.360 --> 02:26:21.760 haven't put any messaging around like 02:26:21.840 --> 02:26:24.159 bulk items like branches and things like 02:26:24.239 --> 02:26:25.840 that you'll commonly get in curbside 02:26:25.920 --> 02:26:29.680 frogovians from our studs but definitely 02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:31.280 I'm more than happy to update the 02:26:31.360 --> 02:26:33.399 wording to to stay Fogo so it's 02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:34.719 definitely 02:26:34.799 --> 02:26:36.120 um definitely clean for everyone in the 02:26:36.200 --> 02:26:38.079 community and if that is the case we're 02:26:38.159 --> 02:26:40.559 able to update update our signage moving 02:26:40.639 --> 02:26:42.600 forward as well as we do roll out those 02:26:42.680 --> 02:26:44.680 additional hubs we can change the 02:26:44.760 --> 02:26:46.840 wedding to stay in photo go 02:26:46.920 --> 02:26:48.639 thank you Stacy and I have just a 02:26:48.719 --> 02:26:51.000 follow-up it was a little bit hard to 02:26:51.079 --> 02:26:53.520 hear so I think what she said was it is 02:26:53.600 --> 02:26:56.799 going to be updated to be Fogo and then 02:26:56.879 --> 02:27:00.200 just additional question using Clark's 02:27:00.280 --> 02:27:02.559 Street Reserve as an example in Elwood 02:27:02.639 --> 02:27:05.079 there's individual bins with signage 02:27:05.159 --> 02:27:08.040 saying food only that will be changed I 02:27:08.120 --> 02:27:11.280 think is what she said to Fogo and then 02:27:11.360 --> 02:27:13.239 I guess the I think the point she was 02:27:13.319 --> 02:27:14.680 making or we've previously been 02:27:14.760 --> 02:27:17.639 concerned about the if you say Fogo and 02:27:17.719 --> 02:27:20.319 garden you could get swamped in what are 02:27:20.399 --> 02:27:24.040 somewhat small 240 liter bins in that 02:27:24.120 --> 02:27:26.920 example would that be up bigger bins 02:27:27.000 --> 02:27:30.360 provided if it's fully advertised or 02:27:30.440 --> 02:27:33.200 promoted as photo or 02:27:33.280 --> 02:27:35.520 Lachlan Johnson 02:27:35.600 --> 02:27:39.639 yes I can confirm so the communal sites 02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:41.520 the one in Clark Street has been labeled 02:27:41.600 --> 02:27:43.600 as food Organics on there we will as 02:27:43.680 --> 02:27:46.360 Stacey uh was saying we will update the 02:27:46.440 --> 02:27:48.280 signage to make it clear that residents 02:27:48.360 --> 02:27:49.719 can place small amounts of garden 02:27:49.799 --> 02:27:52.760 Organics there as well the intent with 02:27:52.840 --> 02:27:56.319 the model is that properties that do 02:27:56.399 --> 02:27:58.840 generate the vast majority of properties 02:27:58.920 --> 02:28:01.120 that do generate Garden Organics should 02:28:01.200 --> 02:28:02.680 be able to be provided with the curbside 02:28:02.760 --> 02:28:04.879 service but we do acknowledge there will 02:28:04.959 --> 02:28:06.520 be some properties who potentially 02:28:06.600 --> 02:28:08.360 generate small amounts of garden 02:28:08.440 --> 02:28:10.680 Organics and the only practical option 02:28:10.760 --> 02:28:12.600 that they have is to utilize a communal 02:28:12.680 --> 02:28:14.120 service so we'll ensure that that that 02:28:14.200 --> 02:28:17.440 signage is updated as part of our trials 02:28:17.520 --> 02:28:20.799 that we did on communal collection sites 02:28:20.879 --> 02:28:24.600 when she found that 240 liter bins full 02:28:24.680 --> 02:28:26.440 of food Organics and garden Organics 02:28:26.520 --> 02:28:29.120 were too heavy to move around so in the 02:28:29.200 --> 02:28:32.120 event that our communal sites become 02:28:32.200 --> 02:28:35.840 significantly over subscribed through 02:28:35.920 --> 02:28:39.159 use we would look to provide additional 02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:41.559 120 liter bins where we can if there's 02:28:41.639 --> 02:28:44.360 close vehicle access we may look at 02:28:44.440 --> 02:28:45.879 larger bins but the vast majority of 02:28:45.959 --> 02:28:47.520 them probably going to be 120s from that 02:28:47.600 --> 02:28:50.639 IHS perspective thank you thank you any 02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:53.680 further questions on the item 02:28:53.760 --> 02:28:57.319 if not I'm looking for a mover 02:28:57.559 --> 02:28:59.200 if not I'll move this no one else seems 02:28:59.280 --> 02:29:03.680 to uh okay and a secondary 02:29:03.760 --> 02:29:06.280 counselor Crawford 02:29:06.360 --> 02:29:08.040 all right I've moved it so I gotta speak 02:29:08.120 --> 02:29:11.319 to it first uh there are some changes 02:29:11.399 --> 02:29:14.639 for multi-unit developments that people 02:29:14.719 --> 02:29:16.440 have been asking for for a while so I'm 02:29:16.520 --> 02:29:17.799 pleased that we're going to be able to 02:29:17.879 --> 02:29:18.959 do that there's not the additional 02:29:19.040 --> 02:29:21.120 charge so that's incentivizing because 02:29:21.200 --> 02:29:23.440 it's quite complex there's a lot of work 02:29:23.520 --> 02:29:25.200 that's gone into this and I appreciate 02:29:25.280 --> 02:29:27.520 all of our officers time and counselors 02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:29.280 that we've gone through this many 02:29:29.360 --> 02:29:31.840 workshops in the budget to get to the 02:29:31.920 --> 02:29:33.879 point we're at 02:29:33.959 --> 02:29:36.879 um the I do want to note because I think 02:29:36.959 --> 02:29:38.520 people have been asking and want some 02:29:38.600 --> 02:29:40.239 clarity around when we're going to go to 02:29:40.319 --> 02:29:43.000 fortnightly garbage and that's in 02:29:43.079 --> 02:29:44.120 um 02:29:44.200 --> 02:29:46.719 3.1.3 here saying that that will 02:29:46.799 --> 02:29:47.840 transition for the single unit 02:29:47.920 --> 02:29:51.799 developments in January February 2024 02:29:51.879 --> 02:29:53.520 which is 12 months 02:29:53.600 --> 02:29:55.280 from when it was rolled out and the 02:29:55.360 --> 02:29:57.040 transition will also include multi-unit 02:29:57.120 --> 02:29:59.680 developments receiving a curbside photo 02:29:59.760 --> 02:30:01.440 service at that time which will be about 02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:03.360 six months 02:30:03.440 --> 02:30:04.959 I'll leave it at that for now cancel 02:30:05.040 --> 02:30:06.399 their Crawford would just speak to the 02:30:06.479 --> 02:30:08.079 atom 02:30:08.159 --> 02:30:10.959 uh yes just briefly to say look people 02:30:11.040 --> 02:30:13.239 were talking about this uh six years ago 02:30:13.319 --> 02:30:15.159 when we I first got on Council I'm sure 02:30:15.239 --> 02:30:17.200 it was to the previous Council before 02:30:17.280 --> 02:30:19.120 that so it's exciting that we're going 02:30:19.200 --> 02:30:21.959 to this next stage um rolling out 02:30:22.040 --> 02:30:23.840 um with the multi-unit dwelling shortly 02:30:23.920 --> 02:30:26.559 in the communal hubs uh and I'm also one 02:30:26.639 --> 02:30:27.959 of those multi-unit developments that 02:30:28.040 --> 02:30:29.680 probably has room for a photo bin that 02:30:29.760 --> 02:30:31.600 we all share but this is about Behavior 02:30:31.680 --> 02:30:33.479 change uh it's all good and well for 02:30:33.559 --> 02:30:35.040 Council to roll it out but we need the 02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:37.360 community to step up and keep the 02:30:37.440 --> 02:30:40.000 contamination low uh and divert from 02:30:40.079 --> 02:30:42.399 landfill but this is about us listening 02:30:42.479 --> 02:30:44.079 to the community and now it's the 02:30:44.159 --> 02:30:45.879 community's turn to 02:30:45.959 --> 02:30:48.520 um do what they said they wanted uh and 02:30:48.600 --> 02:30:51.479 and let's let's divert all that landfill 02:30:51.559 --> 02:30:55.239 from landfill and um do it with a little 02:30:55.319 --> 02:30:57.360 contamination as possible 02:30:57.440 --> 02:30:58.719 thank you anybody else want to speak to 02:30:58.799 --> 02:31:01.000 the Adam Council niagui 02:31:01.079 --> 02:31:02.799 yeah thank you mayor um this is one of 02:31:02.879 --> 02:31:04.239 those tricky policy areas where I've 02:31:04.319 --> 02:31:06.479 kind of come in Midway through a journey 02:31:06.559 --> 02:31:07.879 um while I was off Council I was always 02:31:07.959 --> 02:31:09.360 pretty critical that we didn't have 02:31:09.440 --> 02:31:10.360 green 02:31:10.440 --> 02:31:11.680 um bins and was always kind of 02:31:11.760 --> 02:31:13.239 frustrated that that meant that 02:31:13.319 --> 02:31:15.000 certainly with Garden waste like to go 02:31:15.079 --> 02:31:17.680 down to Port Melbourne or you know kind 02:31:17.760 --> 02:31:19.440 of have the option of putting it in the 02:31:19.520 --> 02:31:21.959 garbage bin so I'm really really excited 02:31:22.040 --> 02:31:23.280 so that's rolled out with the single 02:31:23.360 --> 02:31:25.239 unit dwellings very excited to see that 02:31:25.319 --> 02:31:26.520 from the middle of this year we'll have 02:31:26.600 --> 02:31:28.719 the multi unit dwellings as well 02:31:28.799 --> 02:31:30.280 probably the thing I want to sort of 02:31:30.360 --> 02:31:31.360 mention tonight because it's something 02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:32.920 that I'm sort of still have reservations 02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:35.559 around is is the communal glass 02:31:35.639 --> 02:31:36.799 um I'm you know going to get some 02:31:36.879 --> 02:31:38.200 further briefings from officers and I'll 02:31:38.280 --> 02:31:40.239 keep talking to our community but I'm 02:31:40.319 --> 02:31:41.840 not fully sold yet that that's the best 02:31:41.920 --> 02:31:43.479 answer and I'm really Keen to see the 02:31:43.559 --> 02:31:45.040 data as it starts being rolled out to 02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:46.719 see that it is the solution we hope 02:31:46.799 --> 02:31:48.159 it'll be 02:31:48.239 --> 02:31:49.840 um my fear with all these options with 02:31:49.920 --> 02:31:51.520 when it comes to waste diversion is that 02:31:51.600 --> 02:31:53.280 if we don't make it as easy as possible 02:31:53.360 --> 02:31:54.719 for the community they won't take it up 02:31:54.799 --> 02:31:57.120 so I really look forward to seeing how 02:31:57.200 --> 02:31:58.600 the community do respond to the communal 02:31:58.680 --> 02:32:00.639 glass and I hope that I'm proven wrong 02:32:00.719 --> 02:32:03.479 and that we do have a really good take 02:32:03.559 --> 02:32:05.639 up and we have low contamination 02:32:05.719 --> 02:32:07.440 and that we have people using across the 02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:10.200 city but time will tell but I thought I 02:32:10.280 --> 02:32:11.360 might mention that tonight as well and 02:32:11.440 --> 02:32:12.520 yeah I look forward to seeing how it 02:32:12.600 --> 02:32:14.040 goes and I'm certainly very supportive 02:32:14.120 --> 02:32:15.399 of reducing 02:32:15.479 --> 02:32:16.719 um the general waste of fortnightly 02:32:16.799 --> 02:32:18.200 that's clearly a key Lynch pin and 02:32:18.280 --> 02:32:20.920 getting this across the line 02:32:21.000 --> 02:32:22.360 thank you anybody else want to speak to 02:32:22.440 --> 02:32:24.799 the item 02:32:25.280 --> 02:32:27.399 if not I'll go ahead and close two items 02:32:27.479 --> 02:32:29.520 I forgot just we've already seen a good 02:32:29.600 --> 02:32:31.360 percentage of diversion I think it was 02:32:31.440 --> 02:32:34.879 31 to 39 with just a single unit 02:32:34.959 --> 02:32:37.440 developments about 14 15 000 properties 02:32:37.520 --> 02:32:39.879 so what we might see with this further 02:32:39.959 --> 02:32:42.959 all out is um something to watch uh it's 02:32:43.040 --> 02:32:44.920 very flexible the way we're rolling this 02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:49.200 out and that's we're open to feedback we 02:32:49.280 --> 02:32:51.399 expect to learn a little bit along the 02:32:51.479 --> 02:32:54.280 way and adjust appropriately we had the 02:32:54.360 --> 02:32:55.719 container deposit scheme coming it's 02:32:55.799 --> 02:32:57.600 just been recently announced I think it 02:32:57.680 --> 02:33:00.760 was November yep so this is a big year 02:33:00.840 --> 02:33:03.159 lots of transformation happening 02:33:03.239 --> 02:33:06.600 but plays trust that Council will listen 02:33:06.680 --> 02:33:08.799 and adapt as we need to okay let's put 02:33:08.879 --> 02:33:11.520 that to the vote all those in favor 02:33:11.600 --> 02:33:15.360 that's carried unanimous thank you 02:33:15.840 --> 02:33:18.120 okay 02:33:18.200 --> 02:33:19.760 I know everyone wants to go home but I'm 02:33:19.840 --> 02:33:21.600 going to take five minutes here just to 02:33:21.680 --> 02:33:24.280 get some sorted 02:33:24.360 --> 02:33:25.760 um make sure everyone's ready for the 02:33:25.840 --> 02:33:28.000 last big item of the night 02:33:28.079 --> 02:33:30.520 it could be lengthy thank you five 02:33:30.600 --> 02:33:32.920 minutes that's nine twenties we'll go 02:33:33.000 --> 02:33:37.760 nine twenty five six yeah sure 9 26. 02:33:39.159 --> 02:33:42.159 welcome back yep all right we're back on 02:33:42.239 --> 02:33:44.920 okay thank you everyone sorry that took 02:33:45.000 --> 02:33:46.239 a bit longer 02:33:46.319 --> 02:33:50.079 we are on to the last item of the 02:33:50.159 --> 02:33:53.879 reports presentation reports 02:33:54.600 --> 02:33:58.639 this is 13.2 draft council plan 02:33:58.719 --> 02:34:02.360 2021-31 year 3 and budget 02:34:02.440 --> 02:34:04.840 2023-24 release for Community 02:34:04.920 --> 02:34:07.479 consultation I'd like to make a note 02:34:07.559 --> 02:34:09.959 that in the officer's recommendation 02:34:10.040 --> 02:34:12.760 there is an officer's amendment to 02:34:12.840 --> 02:34:15.799 change the word rebate to waiver and a 02:34:15.879 --> 02:34:18.520 change to item 3.8 02:34:18.600 --> 02:34:21.959 can I just see what 3.8 is up there is 02:34:22.040 --> 02:34:24.680 flip through 02:34:30.440 --> 02:34:32.280 is it there 02:34:32.360 --> 02:34:35.319 no one that one okay 02:34:35.399 --> 02:34:37.479 all right coming up just for everyone to 02:34:37.559 --> 02:34:40.600 be on the same page 02:34:44.719 --> 02:34:49.360 so then oh sorry three oh here we go uh 02:34:49.440 --> 02:34:51.639 authorizes CEO to make amendments to the 02:34:51.719 --> 02:34:54.200 draft Amendment council plan 21-31 02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:57.600 including the draft budget 23-24 to 02:34:57.680 --> 02:34:58.719 reflect any changes through this 02:34:58.799 --> 02:35:00.520 resolution and any other resolutions 02:35:00.600 --> 02:35:03.040 path at tonight's council meeting and to 02:35:03.120 --> 02:35:05.040 and make a minor editorial adjustments 02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:06.280 to the document to prepare for 02:35:06.360 --> 02:35:08.360 publication and distribution all right 02:35:08.440 --> 02:35:11.280 just that's a general announcement about 02:35:11.360 --> 02:35:16.280 an officer's Amendment thank you now 02:35:16.360 --> 02:35:18.399 we will open 02:35:18.479 --> 02:35:20.920 to questions for the officers in 02:35:21.000 --> 02:35:22.760 relation to this report the budget in 02:35:22.840 --> 02:35:24.879 general this is the opportunity to ask 02:35:24.959 --> 02:35:27.120 questions would anybody like to ask a 02:35:27.200 --> 02:35:29.360 question 02:35:31.639 --> 02:35:34.879 no all right interesting 02:35:34.959 --> 02:35:35.840 um 02:35:35.920 --> 02:35:37.600 all right then I'm going to look for a 02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:40.079 mover of the officers recommendation or 02:35:40.159 --> 02:35:42.799 something else 02:35:45.639 --> 02:35:48.520 all right I only have one hand that I 02:35:48.600 --> 02:35:49.680 can see 02:35:49.760 --> 02:35:52.559 so that's Counselor Clark 02:35:52.639 --> 02:35:54.159 would you like to move the opposite's 02:35:54.239 --> 02:35:56.040 recommendation or something else I'd 02:35:56.120 --> 02:35:57.799 like to move something else please man 02:35:57.879 --> 02:35:59.040 okay 02:35:59.120 --> 02:36:00.760 um what would you like to move 02:36:00.840 --> 02:36:04.559 uh if officers could move an alternative 02:36:04.639 --> 02:36:08.639 motion for a rate reduction 02:36:08.719 --> 02:36:12.360 to 2.8 that is on the screen okay thank 02:36:12.440 --> 02:36:15.520 you and the rule can you clarify was 02:36:15.600 --> 02:36:16.879 yeah you had to read it out actually 02:36:16.959 --> 02:36:19.280 because it's alt motion yeah 02:36:19.360 --> 02:36:21.799 yeah good luck it's just part one just 02:36:21.879 --> 02:36:24.399 clarify sorry let's stop real quick 02:36:24.479 --> 02:36:26.120 it would be an ALT motion just part one 02:36:26.200 --> 02:36:28.079 yes great 02:36:28.159 --> 02:36:31.280 go ahead and read it out 02:36:31.559 --> 02:36:34.000 uh part one 3.1 notes that the draft 02:36:34.079 --> 02:36:35.159 budget 02:36:35.239 --> 02:36:37.600 2023-24 includes the following changes 02:36:37.680 --> 02:36:39.079 to General rates 02:36:39.159 --> 02:36:43.000 3.1.1 an increase of 2.8 percent to the 02:36:43.079 --> 02:36:44.799 average General rate which is equivalent 02:36:44.879 --> 02:36:46.680 to the rates cap set by the Victorian 02:36:46.760 --> 02:36:48.959 government which is 0.7 percent lower 02:36:49.040 --> 02:36:52.079 than the rate cap of 3.5 set by the 02:36:52.159 --> 02:36:54.520 Victorian government and 1.7 percent 02:36:54.600 --> 02:36:57.040 lower than the forecast inflation of 4.5 02:36:57.120 --> 02:36:59.639 percent 02:36:59.719 --> 02:37:02.879 cancer Bond 02:37:04.799 --> 02:37:06.159 do you have a question should should 02:37:06.239 --> 02:37:08.120 there be a strike through on the which 02:37:08.200 --> 02:37:10.200 is equivalent to the rates cap set by 02:37:10.280 --> 02:37:11.799 the Victorian government 02:37:11.879 --> 02:37:13.840 and that line would then be superseded 02:37:13.920 --> 02:37:16.920 by the beaded rig 02:37:21.799 --> 02:37:23.840 I'll wait for it to get changed and then 02:37:23.920 --> 02:37:26.200 I'll 02:37:35.760 --> 02:37:38.920 like you to read a story 02:37:39.000 --> 02:37:43.360 all right so councilor Clark since 02:37:43.440 --> 02:37:45.200 you're moving it 02:37:45.280 --> 02:37:46.959 although this is probably helping can 02:37:47.040 --> 02:37:49.840 you uh agree to the change 02:37:49.920 --> 02:37:53.120 if you are agreeing 02:37:54.280 --> 02:37:55.559 I'm sorry 02:37:55.639 --> 02:37:57.159 well you're reading out so maybe if you 02:37:57.239 --> 02:37:58.360 want to go back and say this is actually 02:37:58.440 --> 02:38:00.719 what you're removing I'm I'm happy with 02:38:00.799 --> 02:38:02.319 this as long as councilor Bond doesn't 02:38:02.399 --> 02:38:05.520 speak up again please no um yes I'm 02:38:05.600 --> 02:38:07.239 happy with this change thank you mayor 02:38:07.319 --> 02:38:09.840 great 02:38:10.159 --> 02:38:11.840 so have you read everything yep no I 02:38:11.920 --> 02:38:13.200 don't think so I think there's more red 02:38:13.280 --> 02:38:16.000 underneath this can't yeah can you turn 02:38:16.079 --> 02:38:18.639 when you get a chance thank you 02:38:18.719 --> 02:38:22.239 do I really 02:38:22.319 --> 02:38:25.680 number a changes to 02:38:25.760 --> 02:38:29.520 0.001694 number B changes to 02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:34.280 0.002021 and number c changes to 02:38:34.719 --> 02:38:36.239 0.002000 02:38:36.319 --> 02:38:39.520 thank you 02:38:40.959 --> 02:38:43.000 I think there's more 02:38:43.079 --> 02:38:46.719 or is that big exposure there you go 02:38:47.360 --> 02:38:49.959 this lower rate increase will be funded 02:38:50.040 --> 02:38:52.440 over the next 10 years by reducing 02:38:52.520 --> 02:38:54.399 proposed investment in the Strategic 02:38:54.479 --> 02:38:57.040 property reserved by 2.5 million and the 02:38:57.120 --> 02:38:58.760 asset renewal reserve and Municipal 02:38:58.840 --> 02:39:01.079 growth Reserve by 2 million each it will 02:39:01.159 --> 02:39:03.520 also be funded by a 4.4 million surplus 02:39:03.600 --> 02:39:05.520 created by not proceeding with a one-off 02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:07.760 rate waiver further work will be 02:39:07.840 --> 02:39:09.879 required on permanent Revenue increases 02:39:09.959 --> 02:39:11.719 or expenditure reductions to balance 02:39:11.799 --> 02:39:14.639 Beyond this period I believe this is the 02:39:14.719 --> 02:39:16.000 end 02:39:16.079 --> 02:39:20.200 again you can yep it's your emotion 02:39:20.280 --> 02:39:22.760 could we go back to the first slide I 02:39:22.840 --> 02:39:24.879 think it had the inflation figure was 02:39:24.959 --> 02:39:27.440 incorrect 02:39:30.719 --> 02:39:36.760 would it be 1.7 low if it's now eight uh 02:39:36.840 --> 02:39:39.440 2.8 02:39:41.799 --> 02:39:46.280 that meth adds up to me no 02:39:47.879 --> 02:39:52.879 oh I say sorry cool okay okay 02:39:54.280 --> 02:39:56.680 all right let's get serious even though 02:39:56.760 --> 02:39:58.360 I appreciate everyone's in a good mood 02:39:58.440 --> 02:40:03.159 at this moment now sorry 02:40:06.719 --> 02:40:11.200 the last correction is that on the three 02:40:11.280 --> 02:40:13.600 point 02:40:15.879 --> 02:40:17.840 okay 02:40:17.920 --> 02:40:19.879 can we go through the whole thing so we 02:40:19.959 --> 02:40:22.280 can check 02:40:27.840 --> 02:40:30.840 foreign 02:40:53.520 --> 02:40:56.559 show on your website 02:41:01.799 --> 02:41:04.280 okay 02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:07.840 all right so 02:41:07.920 --> 02:41:09.959 do you want to clarify by saying that 02:41:10.040 --> 02:41:12.040 total 4 million there or anything like 02:41:12.120 --> 02:41:13.760 that no I don't know I don't need to 02:41:13.840 --> 02:41:16.440 clarify for completeness we do need to 02:41:16.520 --> 02:41:19.479 go to the last page of this to show what 02:41:19.559 --> 02:41:23.440 has been struck out 02:41:23.920 --> 02:41:26.200 that yeah that was before came up before 02:41:26.280 --> 02:41:30.520 that has been crossed out in entirety 02:41:30.600 --> 02:41:32.319 all right so we have councilor Clark 02:41:32.399 --> 02:41:34.959 moving this item councilor Pearl is 02:41:35.040 --> 02:41:37.639 seconding 02:41:38.280 --> 02:41:40.920 all right 02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:43.879 I'm just gonna allow if there's any 02:41:43.959 --> 02:41:45.799 questions of the item because this is 02:41:45.879 --> 02:41:47.719 something new if there's anybody asking 02:41:47.799 --> 02:41:49.280 a question of this 02:41:49.360 --> 02:41:51.959 councilman I'm able to ask officers a 02:41:52.040 --> 02:41:53.280 question yeah it is after this question 02:41:53.360 --> 02:41:55.360 uh can we write to the first other slide 02:41:55.440 --> 02:41:59.799 that had the reductions in the reserves 02:42:04.680 --> 02:42:07.000 um so I just wanted to kind of get some 02:42:07.079 --> 02:42:08.520 clarification 02:42:08.600 --> 02:42:10.479 um when this was initially kind of 02:42:10.559 --> 02:42:13.360 discussed the the 2.8 my understanding 02:42:13.440 --> 02:42:15.000 was that it would kind of 02:42:15.079 --> 02:42:18.120 even out across the 10 years and that we 02:42:18.200 --> 02:42:19.360 would just sort of suck it up through 02:42:19.440 --> 02:42:22.719 the 4.4 which was the amount that was 02:42:22.799 --> 02:42:24.479 kind of the rate increase with those 02:42:24.559 --> 02:42:27.360 reserves now also being drawn down is 02:42:27.440 --> 02:42:28.760 that now not the case or is that just 02:42:28.840 --> 02:42:30.959 because we're not able to fully budget 02:42:31.040 --> 02:42:32.200 it across the 10 years it just sounds 02:42:32.280 --> 02:42:33.360 like we're actually taking out a lot 02:42:33.440 --> 02:42:34.879 more money than we initially 02:42:34.959 --> 02:42:37.559 had sort of discussed 02:42:37.639 --> 02:42:40.280 all right see you 02:42:40.360 --> 02:42:42.879 uh through you man 02:42:42.959 --> 02:42:45.719 so in the office's proposed budget 02:42:45.799 --> 02:42:48.360 we had proposed to put additional 02:42:48.440 --> 02:42:51.719 Surplus in to boost those Reserves 02:42:51.799 --> 02:42:53.440 the equivalent of about six million 02:42:53.520 --> 02:42:54.840 dollars 02:42:54.920 --> 02:42:57.200 what we're proposing what would now be 02:42:57.280 --> 02:42:59.319 proposed through this resolution is that 02:42:59.399 --> 02:43:01.479 we wouldn't be able to put that 02:43:01.559 --> 02:43:02.799 that month that money wouldn't be 02:43:02.879 --> 02:43:05.200 available to put into those Reserves so 02:43:05.280 --> 02:43:07.840 the total cost is around 11 million 02:43:07.920 --> 02:43:11.120 funded in part through the rebate wolf 02:43:11.200 --> 02:43:12.520 through the Surplus that was to be used 02:43:12.600 --> 02:43:14.559 for the rebate or proposed to be used 02:43:14.639 --> 02:43:17.120 for the rebate and then through backing 02:43:17.200 --> 02:43:18.600 out what would have been the additional 02:43:18.680 --> 02:43:19.840 investment in the reserves and the 02:43:19.920 --> 02:43:22.719 remaining Surplus 02:43:22.799 --> 02:43:26.719 thank you any further questions 02:43:26.799 --> 02:43:28.559 if not we've already had a move around a 02:43:28.639 --> 02:43:30.000 secondary so I'll go to you Counselor 02:43:30.079 --> 02:43:32.079 Clark to speak to the item 02:43:32.159 --> 02:43:33.600 thank you Madame 02:43:33.680 --> 02:43:36.200 I'm proposing this motion to reduce the 02:43:36.280 --> 02:43:38.680 rates uh the rate increase sorry from 02:43:38.760 --> 02:43:42.440 3.5 to 2.8 rather than a 3.5 percent 02:43:42.520 --> 02:43:45.200 rebate or waiver as we're now calling it 02:43:45.280 --> 02:43:47.920 as a better way of providing rate relief 02:43:48.000 --> 02:43:50.840 to Residents it is a permanent reduction 02:43:50.920 --> 02:43:53.120 in rates being charged to Residents as 02:43:53.200 --> 02:43:56.079 opposed to a waiver which provides a 02:43:56.159 --> 02:43:58.959 one-year waiver and then 02:43:59.040 --> 02:44:01.680 gets recharged I guess next year subject 02:44:01.760 --> 02:44:03.399 to sort of what happens with other 02:44:03.479 --> 02:44:06.399 things while it's a small reduction and 02:44:06.479 --> 02:44:07.879 personally I would like to see a much 02:44:07.959 --> 02:44:11.799 larger rate decrease this model proposal 02:44:11.879 --> 02:44:13.680 Modest Proposal sorry provides a 02:44:13.760 --> 02:44:15.760 permanent rate reduction as I said for 02:44:15.840 --> 02:44:18.280 residents a rate reduction is also 02:44:18.360 --> 02:44:20.079 easier and more administrationally 02:44:20.159 --> 02:44:23.040 efficient way for Council officers to 02:44:23.120 --> 02:44:25.120 administer a reduction in rates as far 02:44:25.200 --> 02:44:26.840 as I'm aware 02:44:26.920 --> 02:44:29.399 um council is in the fortunate position 02:44:29.479 --> 02:44:31.719 and I guess fortunate is one way of 02:44:31.799 --> 02:44:33.799 describing it but this fortunate 02:44:33.879 --> 02:44:36.120 position comes from good governance and 02:44:36.200 --> 02:44:38.440 financial management over many years and 02:44:38.520 --> 02:44:41.319 many councils councilors and Council 02:44:41.399 --> 02:44:44.120 officers well before my time to have a 02:44:44.200 --> 02:44:47.079 cash Surplus this financial year of 02:44:47.159 --> 02:44:50.040 about 12 million dollars we shouldn't 02:44:50.120 --> 02:44:51.879 lose sight of the fact this money comes 02:44:51.959 --> 02:44:54.520 from our residents who pay their rates 02:44:54.600 --> 02:44:56.520 and that many in the community are 02:44:56.600 --> 02:44:58.760 struggling in this current economic 02:44:58.840 --> 02:45:00.879 climate with large increases of costs 02:45:00.959 --> 02:45:03.479 mortgage repayments many of those who 02:45:03.559 --> 02:45:05.719 spoke against a rebate this evening want 02:45:05.799 --> 02:45:07.360 Council to spend more money on other 02:45:07.440 --> 02:45:09.280 areas but I wonder how many of them 02:45:09.360 --> 02:45:11.920 really heard from the one resident who 02:45:12.000 --> 02:45:13.479 suggested that fifty dollars to him 02:45:13.559 --> 02:45:16.680 could be five or ten meals a week I 02:45:16.760 --> 02:45:18.600 would encourage them to donate their 02:45:18.680 --> 02:45:21.040 rebate or their rate reduction to to 02:45:21.120 --> 02:45:23.680 climate change organizations also 02:45:23.760 --> 02:45:25.479 Support Services perhaps if they don't 02:45:25.559 --> 02:45:28.600 want it who can assist with those in 02:45:28.680 --> 02:45:29.440 need 02:45:29.520 --> 02:45:32.360 we've had good conversations about the 02:45:32.440 --> 02:45:33.879 position of council and the need to 02:45:33.959 --> 02:45:36.000 provide some long overdue rate relief to 02:45:36.079 --> 02:45:38.200 Residents who pay very high rates in 02:45:38.280 --> 02:45:39.520 this municipality 02:45:39.600 --> 02:45:42.040 and we have a revenue budget of 260 02:45:42.120 --> 02:45:44.120 million which is a considerable amount 02:45:44.200 --> 02:45:46.600 of money we are a generous Council in 02:45:46.680 --> 02:45:48.120 providing money to Social Services 02:45:48.200 --> 02:45:50.799 social and affordable housing climate 02:45:50.879 --> 02:45:52.840 change Community organization sporting 02:45:52.920 --> 02:45:55.120 organizations so we can afford to 02:45:55.200 --> 02:45:57.000 balance our budget and provide some 02:45:57.079 --> 02:45:59.440 relief to hard-working residents and 02:45:59.520 --> 02:46:02.559 renters by lowering rates we cannot 02:46:02.639 --> 02:46:04.879 ignore the cost of living cost of 02:46:04.959 --> 02:46:06.879 heating and the genuine struggles that 02:46:06.959 --> 02:46:09.120 many people who live in houses of all 02:46:09.200 --> 02:46:10.600 sizes 02:46:10.680 --> 02:46:13.479 um that need a responsible Council who 02:46:13.559 --> 02:46:15.600 has a large Surplus to provide that 02:46:15.680 --> 02:46:18.520 relief and this this can the beauty of 02:46:18.600 --> 02:46:21.200 this and our Council as this can be done 02:46:21.280 --> 02:46:23.840 without reducing Services which is a 02:46:23.920 --> 02:46:25.120 great achievement 02:46:25.200 --> 02:46:27.280 the progressive nature of Rights and 02:46:27.360 --> 02:46:29.799 taxes means that the highest rate payers 02:46:29.879 --> 02:46:32.680 like taxpayers pay the highest amount so 02:46:32.760 --> 02:46:34.360 it would only seem natural that they 02:46:34.440 --> 02:46:36.520 would receive the larger rebate or 02:46:36.600 --> 02:46:39.000 reduction it would seem fair to reduce 02:46:39.079 --> 02:46:40.959 rates in line with what they have paid 02:46:41.040 --> 02:46:43.559 and have paid over many years and we 02:46:43.639 --> 02:46:44.840 should not make the assumption that 02:46:44.920 --> 02:46:46.680 because you have a house or an apartment 02:46:46.760 --> 02:46:49.280 in this municipality that that means you 02:46:49.360 --> 02:46:52.120 can't be struggling financially this 02:46:52.200 --> 02:46:54.360 small and very modest reduction will 02:46:54.440 --> 02:46:55.920 make a real difference to our community 02:46:56.000 --> 02:46:59.120 and most likely will be spent supporting 02:46:59.200 --> 02:47:01.079 businesses in our community and perhaps 02:47:01.159 --> 02:47:03.719 that's what gets forgotten in this 02:47:03.799 --> 02:47:06.040 discussion that this money is likely to 02:47:06.120 --> 02:47:09.120 go back to our to our local businesses 02:47:09.200 --> 02:47:11.360 who employ people and also pay rates 02:47:11.440 --> 02:47:15.040 back into our municipality so I would 02:47:15.120 --> 02:47:16.719 seek the support of my fellow counselors 02:47:16.799 --> 02:47:18.600 to demonstrate that we are concerned 02:47:18.680 --> 02:47:19.879 about the cost of living for all 02:47:19.959 --> 02:47:23.120 residents rate payers and renters alike 02:47:23.200 --> 02:47:26.360 and in these very challenging times but 02:47:26.440 --> 02:47:28.479 we've actually used our position to 02:47:28.559 --> 02:47:31.799 deliver a real Improvement for them so 02:47:31.879 --> 02:47:35.040 I seek your support and hope that we can 02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:37.559 do this for our community thank you 02:47:37.639 --> 02:47:40.680 thank you councilor Pearl thanks man 02:47:40.760 --> 02:47:44.079 Amir and thank you councilor Clark for 02:47:44.159 --> 02:47:45.959 um putting what is a 02:47:46.040 --> 02:47:49.000 sound yet ambitious proposal to us here 02:47:49.079 --> 02:47:50.639 this evening councils I think you should 02:47:50.719 --> 02:47:52.239 support this and I'll urge you as much 02:47:52.319 --> 02:47:54.600 as I possibly can too the council is in 02:47:54.680 --> 02:47:56.680 the strongest financial position that 02:47:56.760 --> 02:47:58.879 we've been in decades we're debt free 02:47:58.959 --> 02:48:01.360 our reserves are full we're on track to 02:48:01.440 --> 02:48:02.799 stay well within the state government 02:48:02.879 --> 02:48:03.959 limit 02:48:04.040 --> 02:48:07.239 um determined Financial indicators where 02:48:07.319 --> 02:48:08.799 the weird people of the local government 02:48:08.879 --> 02:48:10.840 sector and you should be very very proud 02:48:10.920 --> 02:48:13.600 of that there are very few councils in 02:48:13.680 --> 02:48:17.200 our whole country that um have a 02:48:17.280 --> 02:48:19.360 financial position as we have and we're 02:48:19.440 --> 02:48:21.120 reaping the rewards of difficult 02:48:21.200 --> 02:48:23.360 decisions of the past and you should all 02:48:23.440 --> 02:48:25.840 be CR congratulated on that 02:48:25.920 --> 02:48:28.200 it's now time and it's prudent to do so 02:48:28.280 --> 02:48:30.760 to give back to rate payers and it's a 02:48:30.840 --> 02:48:33.639 very clear and pertinent reason why we 02:48:33.719 --> 02:48:35.840 have record inflation in terms of recent 02:48:35.920 --> 02:48:39.479 history in any case uh that's you know 02:48:39.559 --> 02:48:42.399 causing chaos in our community and 02:48:42.479 --> 02:48:44.079 that's an extraordinarily difficult 02:48:44.159 --> 02:48:45.719 thing particularly for middle class 02:48:45.799 --> 02:48:48.479 families let alone the downstream 02:48:48.559 --> 02:48:50.559 impacts of that across our broader 02:48:50.639 --> 02:48:52.239 society and that's only potentially 02:48:52.319 --> 02:48:53.840 going to get worse if you read any of 02:48:53.920 --> 02:48:55.840 the basic forecasts 02:48:55.920 --> 02:48:58.600 our cost of living pressures are sitting 02:48:58.680 --> 02:49:02.680 substantial for families in our city 02:49:03.280 --> 02:49:05.120 the amount of rates burdened that's been 02:49:05.200 --> 02:49:08.079 placed on rate payers in our city over 02:49:08.159 --> 02:49:10.559 the past 10 or 15 years has been 02:49:10.639 --> 02:49:12.639 substantial before rates cutting rates 02:49:12.719 --> 02:49:14.920 capping there was substantial increases 02:49:15.000 --> 02:49:17.079 for multiple Years and we're still and 02:49:17.159 --> 02:49:19.719 they're well above in rates of inflation 02:49:19.799 --> 02:49:21.760 and 02:49:21.840 --> 02:49:23.280 there's a large amount of community 02:49:23.360 --> 02:49:25.040 feedback that we received here tonight 02:49:25.120 --> 02:49:28.440 from all sides telling us that rate 02:49:28.520 --> 02:49:32.440 rebates or waivers aren't going to work 02:49:32.520 --> 02:49:34.120 it's interesting to note that a number 02:49:34.200 --> 02:49:35.200 of the people that were here tonight 02:49:35.280 --> 02:49:38.360 telling us to increase rates many of 02:49:38.440 --> 02:49:39.760 them are similar to the people in the 02:49:39.840 --> 02:49:42.280 past that were previously previously 02:49:42.360 --> 02:49:43.959 telling us that we should Mack out max 02:49:44.040 --> 02:49:45.719 out our debt capacity 02:49:45.799 --> 02:49:47.280 urging us to increase recurring 02:49:47.360 --> 02:49:49.360 expenditure of services and programs 02:49:49.440 --> 02:49:52.440 that sit outside the remit of the ca of 02:49:52.520 --> 02:49:55.360 council and change in doing so chaining 02:49:55.440 --> 02:49:56.719 chain 02:49:56.799 --> 02:49:59.319 training future generations of our 02:49:59.399 --> 02:50:03.399 community to pay for misguided ideas 02:50:03.479 --> 02:50:04.920 now 02:50:05.000 --> 02:50:07.760 this proposal here this evening doesn't 02:50:07.840 --> 02:50:09.760 support the rebate of the officer's 02:50:09.840 --> 02:50:11.280 recommendation 02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:14.559 and I support that on the basis that 02:50:14.639 --> 02:50:16.280 it's now time to make some permanent 02:50:16.360 --> 02:50:18.760 changes to ensure that savings have a 02:50:18.840 --> 02:50:20.559 lasting impact on our community 02:50:20.639 --> 02:50:24.040 and this proposal does exactly that and 02:50:24.120 --> 02:50:25.600 in my view it doesn't result in Lost 02:50:25.680 --> 02:50:27.479 Revenue the council rather it's an 02:50:27.559 --> 02:50:30.479 investment in the people of our city our 02:50:30.559 --> 02:50:32.280 people are the best place to determine 02:50:32.360 --> 02:50:34.360 what to do with their money and not the 02:50:34.440 --> 02:50:35.200 government 02:50:35.280 --> 02:50:37.280 in fact the government and we are part 02:50:37.360 --> 02:50:39.040 of that is the problem to many of the 02:50:39.120 --> 02:50:41.639 issues that we face today none less than 02:50:41.719 --> 02:50:44.680 inflation in my view inflation is not 02:50:44.760 --> 02:50:47.079 caused by higher oil prices Wars Supply 02:50:47.159 --> 02:50:49.959 chained Supply chains Middle Eastern 02:50:50.040 --> 02:50:52.239 Nations cutting oil supplier Reserve 02:50:52.319 --> 02:50:54.200 Banks Banks cutting and increasing rates 02:50:54.280 --> 02:50:57.280 it's nearly always caused by overzealous 02:50:57.360 --> 02:50:59.040 governments that spend too much money on 02:50:59.120 --> 02:51:00.600 services and products that fail to 02:51:00.680 --> 02:51:03.879 improve the productivity of our society 02:51:03.959 --> 02:51:05.719 this 02:51:05.799 --> 02:51:07.760 proposal here this evening councilors 02:51:07.840 --> 02:51:10.959 will directly impact 02:51:11.040 --> 02:51:13.719 tens of thousands of people that 02:51:13.799 --> 02:51:16.280 desperately need rate relief and 02:51:16.360 --> 02:51:17.840 desperately need help within their 02:51:17.920 --> 02:51:21.479 household budgets and you heard that 02:51:21.559 --> 02:51:23.280 from an impassioned play here this 02:51:23.360 --> 02:51:25.280 evening and there are thousands of 02:51:25.360 --> 02:51:27.760 people just like that the 20 to 50 02:51:27.840 --> 02:51:29.799 dollars that many people win this 02:51:29.879 --> 02:51:32.360 chamber over the years have 02:51:32.440 --> 02:51:35.440 you know almost laughingly said is is a 02:51:35.520 --> 02:51:38.559 waste of time is food on the table for 02:51:38.639 --> 02:51:41.079 kids that need it it's education and 02:51:41.159 --> 02:51:43.879 books for families that need it and it's 02:51:43.959 --> 02:51:45.520 millions of dollars into our local 02:51:45.600 --> 02:51:47.319 economy over the next 10 years which is 02:51:47.399 --> 02:51:48.520 a good thing and that's where that money 02:51:48.600 --> 02:51:51.000 should be so councilors this is a 02:51:51.079 --> 02:51:52.879 difficult decision for many of you it's 02:51:52.959 --> 02:51:54.639 something we've tried to do for many 02:51:54.719 --> 02:51:57.680 many years it's a reasonable compromise 02:51:57.760 --> 02:52:00.360 for everybody and it's financially 02:52:00.440 --> 02:52:02.840 prudent to do this so 02:52:02.920 --> 02:52:06.000 have some courage lead from the front 02:52:06.079 --> 02:52:08.799 put this money into our community where 02:52:08.879 --> 02:52:10.840 it will do its best work 02:52:10.920 --> 02:52:12.479 and vote for this motion here this 02:52:12.559 --> 02:52:14.520 evening 02:52:14.600 --> 02:52:16.959 thank you who would like to speak next 02:52:17.040 --> 02:52:19.200 to the item 02:52:19.280 --> 02:52:21.479 oh sorry I wasn't looking council is 02:52:21.559 --> 02:52:23.079 that you 02:52:23.159 --> 02:52:26.559 well we've had Clark and Pearl as an 02:52:26.639 --> 02:52:28.079 event secondary 02:52:28.159 --> 02:52:30.280 you're welcome to speak no one else has 02:52:30.360 --> 02:52:32.520 raised their hand 02:52:32.600 --> 02:52:35.799 I don't think yeah okay go ahead 02:52:35.879 --> 02:52:37.840 thank you mayor I wasn't sure if I um 02:52:37.920 --> 02:52:39.879 was um interrupting somebody else 02:52:39.959 --> 02:52:42.120 putting up their hand 02:52:42.200 --> 02:52:44.639 um I really welcome this uh 02:52:44.719 --> 02:52:47.440 this alternative motion 02:52:47.520 --> 02:52:48.360 um 02:52:48.440 --> 02:52:51.479 what what we've seen from the uh 2324 02:52:51.559 --> 02:52:53.639 draft budget plan 02:52:53.719 --> 02:52:56.120 it details how council is is delivering 02:52:56.200 --> 02:52:58.559 in many sectors across our city includes 02:52:58.639 --> 02:53:00.360 programs such as 02:53:00.440 --> 02:53:03.399 hygiene accessibility Community programs 02:53:03.479 --> 02:53:06.000 for families and young people recreation 02:53:06.079 --> 02:53:08.840 in Open Spaces sustainability climate 02:53:08.920 --> 02:53:10.840 change actions arts and culture 02:53:10.920 --> 02:53:14.360 festivals libraries and along with what 02:53:14.440 --> 02:53:17.280 we should be on delivering as a council 02:53:17.360 --> 02:53:19.559 the underpinning purpose of what a 02:53:19.639 --> 02:53:21.159 council is all about it and that is 02:53:21.239 --> 02:53:23.719 maintaining our roads footpaths and 02:53:23.799 --> 02:53:25.959 keeping our streets clean and bins 02:53:26.040 --> 02:53:27.159 emptied 02:53:27.239 --> 02:53:28.719 these as well these are the type of 02:53:28.799 --> 02:53:30.840 things that we frequently hear from 02:53:30.920 --> 02:53:34.239 residents when they're inquiring in a 02:53:34.319 --> 02:53:36.040 system that they're really looking for 02:53:36.120 --> 02:53:38.639 all the basics to to um so that they can 02:53:38.719 --> 02:53:40.840 go on with their daily lives not 02:53:40.920 --> 02:53:42.760 necessarily wanting all the fancy 02:53:42.840 --> 02:53:44.520 trimmings 02:53:44.600 --> 02:53:48.120 um of all these um sporting equipment or 02:53:48.200 --> 02:53:50.360 exercise equipment which are sometimes 02:53:50.440 --> 02:53:53.360 left laying bare in uh some of the some 02:53:53.440 --> 02:53:55.360 of our 02:53:55.440 --> 02:53:58.120 parks and on the beaches 02:53:58.200 --> 02:54:00.639 the drive this draft plan is is also 02:54:00.719 --> 02:54:02.520 putting forward 02:54:02.600 --> 02:54:05.040 a uh a one-off three and a half percent 02:54:05.120 --> 02:54:07.280 rates waiver 02:54:07.360 --> 02:54:08.920 but the one thing the budget does not 02:54:09.000 --> 02:54:11.079 mention is the ongoing year in year out 02:54:11.159 --> 02:54:13.239 compound growth of the Council of rates 02:54:13.319 --> 02:54:15.959 rates which the rate payers have to pay 02:54:16.040 --> 02:54:17.920 and they can't opt out of 02:54:18.000 --> 02:54:19.959 the rate payers need a more permanent 02:54:20.040 --> 02:54:22.680 reprieve from the Relentless growing 02:54:22.760 --> 02:54:27.040 rates even if it's only 0.7 percent 02:54:27.120 --> 02:54:29.719 um and also having the our rate payers 02:54:29.799 --> 02:54:31.959 having endured the past three years of 02:54:32.040 --> 02:54:34.840 covert while bringing with it economic 02:54:34.920 --> 02:54:38.159 hardships such as lost or reduced wages 02:54:38.239 --> 02:54:41.799 across all business sectors and also the 02:54:41.879 --> 02:54:44.360 heart the emotional hardships that they 02:54:44.440 --> 02:54:45.680 have gone through 02:54:45.760 --> 02:54:47.639 coming out of covert 02:54:47.719 --> 02:54:49.959 people in our community are now dealing 02:54:50.040 --> 02:54:52.440 with further Financial pressures of 02:54:52.520 --> 02:54:55.719 increasing rents and hopefully uh with 02:54:55.799 --> 02:54:56.840 this rate 02:54:56.920 --> 02:54:59.559 if this is voted up 02:54:59.639 --> 02:55:03.040 um that rents will somehow be um not so 02:55:03.120 --> 02:55:06.120 much increased uh to for the landlords 02:55:06.200 --> 02:55:09.360 and they'll recognize that their their 02:55:09.440 --> 02:55:12.959 renties are need some kind of help as 02:55:13.040 --> 02:55:14.840 well 02:55:14.920 --> 02:55:18.479 um our owing our community has also 02:55:18.559 --> 02:55:21.639 undergone those who have mortgages 10 02:55:21.719 --> 02:55:24.120 consecutive mortgage interest rate Rises 02:55:24.200 --> 02:55:28.600 over only 12 months due to uh Global 02:55:28.680 --> 02:55:30.639 pressures and inflation 02:55:30.719 --> 02:55:33.159 the cost of living pressures will not be 02:55:33.239 --> 02:55:35.680 going away overnight but rate payback 02:55:35.760 --> 02:55:38.079 but rate payers at the same time are 02:55:38.159 --> 02:55:40.000 expected to continue to pay their 02:55:40.079 --> 02:55:42.639 ever-growing rates 02:55:42.719 --> 02:55:44.719 unfortunately I do not see where the 02:55:44.799 --> 02:55:46.879 rate payers have been acknowledged as a 02:55:46.959 --> 02:55:49.360 part of the equation in this proposed 02:55:49.440 --> 02:55:51.760 budget for an effective rates relief 02:55:51.840 --> 02:55:54.799 when daily cost when the daily cost of 02:55:54.879 --> 02:55:57.040 every item in one's household budget is 02:55:57.120 --> 02:56:00.399 being impacted by significant increases 02:56:00.479 --> 02:56:04.239 the the this addressing this rates 02:56:04.319 --> 02:56:07.879 reduction of only 0.7 however does 02:56:07.959 --> 02:56:10.319 address that very issue 02:56:10.399 --> 02:56:12.520 while a three and a half percent rates 02:56:12.600 --> 02:56:15.159 rebate may appear to be attractive it is 02:56:15.239 --> 02:56:17.399 only a one-off hit and the consequence 02:56:17.479 --> 02:56:19.920 will be to deliver for the following 02:56:20.000 --> 02:56:23.079 24-25 budget a double dose of rate 02:56:23.159 --> 02:56:25.120 increases which will have embedded in it 02:56:25.200 --> 02:56:27.239 the three and a half percent rate 02:56:27.319 --> 02:56:31.600 increase from 23 24 plus an additional 02:56:31.680 --> 02:56:36.120 an additional and most likely a 2.7 rate 02:56:36.200 --> 02:56:38.280 increase which will be a pain which 02:56:38.360 --> 02:56:40.600 would be a painful 6.2 percent rate 02:56:40.680 --> 02:56:44.559 increase for the uh 24.25 but uh 02:56:44.639 --> 02:56:47.399 Financial year instead 02:56:47.479 --> 02:56:50.040 having a rates increase below the three 02:56:50.120 --> 02:56:51.760 and a half percent would be a better 02:56:51.840 --> 02:56:53.920 outcome to give our rate payers some 02:56:54.000 --> 02:56:55.840 financial support 02:56:55.920 --> 02:56:57.399 personally I would have liked to have 02:56:57.479 --> 02:56:59.440 seen the um rates 02:56:59.520 --> 02:57:02.799 uh reduction more than this 02:57:02.879 --> 02:57:04.200 um I would have liked to have seen it at 02:57:04.280 --> 02:57:06.760 1.75 percent as some kind of a 02:57:06.840 --> 02:57:09.639 compromise or a balance where we'd be 02:57:09.719 --> 02:57:12.040 continuing on from what we've had this 02:57:12.120 --> 02:57:15.600 uh past our financial year where we saw 02:57:15.680 --> 02:57:20.440 a 1.75 increase in our rates 02:57:20.520 --> 02:57:23.040 uh so since our account uh with Council 02:57:23.120 --> 02:57:25.840 having reported that it expects a 12.1 02:57:25.920 --> 02:57:29.319 million operating a cash Surplus 02:57:29.399 --> 02:57:32.680 I think this is appropriate 02:57:32.760 --> 02:57:36.879 um to uh to lower the 2.8 to lower the 02:57:36.959 --> 02:57:38.719 rates 02:57:38.799 --> 02:57:42.879 cap from two uh down to 2.8 percent uh 02:57:42.959 --> 02:57:44.280 which is basically 02:57:44.360 --> 02:57:49.600 um a a reduction of 0.7 over the next 10 02:57:49.680 --> 02:57:51.959 years while at the same time this will 02:57:52.040 --> 02:57:54.799 be in material because a council at the 02:57:54.879 --> 02:57:57.879 same time be collecting 2.5 billion 02:57:57.959 --> 02:58:00.520 dollars over the next 10 years 02:58:00.600 --> 02:58:03.360 so um win rate payers do read this 02:58:03.440 --> 02:58:05.079 budget I would like to hear from them 02:58:05.159 --> 02:58:08.399 that are 2.8 percent rates increase is a 02:58:08.479 --> 02:58:10.479 much better outcome for them 02:58:10.559 --> 02:58:13.680 even if in um in small ways but which 02:58:13.760 --> 02:58:16.239 always adds up to be a big bonus in the 02:58:16.319 --> 02:58:17.079 end 02:58:17.159 --> 02:58:19.680 and I hope this will reprieve will 02:58:19.760 --> 02:58:21.639 provide some kind of a reprie from the 02:58:21.719 --> 02:58:24.159 ongoing rates increases especially over 02:58:24.239 --> 02:58:26.200 the past three years when you have all 02:58:26.280 --> 02:58:28.840 endured a pandemic crisis and an ongoing 02:58:28.920 --> 02:58:31.360 economic household crisis which is not 02:58:31.440 --> 02:58:34.000 yet over this is this is going to be 02:58:34.079 --> 02:58:36.159 possible possible because Council 02:58:36.239 --> 02:58:39.760 Council officers have found those 12 12 02:58:39.840 --> 02:58:43.559 million operating Surplus that we can 02:58:43.639 --> 02:58:45.680 now consider tonight and which should go 02:58:45.760 --> 02:58:47.719 back to where it came from and that's 02:58:47.799 --> 02:58:50.879 from the rate payers 02:58:51.319 --> 02:58:54.000 thank you counselor serkov anybody else 02:58:54.079 --> 02:58:55.719 wants to speak to it 02:58:55.799 --> 02:58:58.760 gets a bond 02:58:58.840 --> 02:59:01.600 thank you madamiro we'll speak to it um 02:59:01.680 --> 02:59:03.680 reasonably briefly 02:59:03.760 --> 02:59:05.040 uh 02:59:05.120 --> 02:59:08.440 I think we're in this position because 02:59:08.520 --> 02:59:09.760 we've 02:59:09.840 --> 02:59:11.520 we've partaken in some very sound 02:59:11.600 --> 02:59:13.959 economic management over the last at 02:59:14.040 --> 02:59:15.399 least 10 years that I've been on Council 02:59:15.479 --> 02:59:16.840 when I first got on Council I think we 02:59:16.920 --> 02:59:18.399 were probably left a very good situation 02:59:18.479 --> 02:59:19.600 by the 02:59:19.680 --> 02:59:21.639 Council before us we had a small amount 02:59:21.719 --> 02:59:23.920 of debt and a little bit of money in 02:59:24.000 --> 02:59:26.200 reserves over the next 10 years we've 02:59:26.280 --> 02:59:29.200 managed to pay off that debt and 02:59:29.280 --> 02:59:32.120 increase our reserves even further 02:59:32.200 --> 02:59:34.079 to the point 02:59:34.159 --> 02:59:36.680 where we are probably one of the most 02:59:36.760 --> 02:59:39.639 fortunate councils in Melbourne being 02:59:39.719 --> 02:59:42.879 debt free and with you know tens of 02:59:42.959 --> 02:59:45.000 millions of dollars in reserve set aside 02:59:45.079 --> 02:59:47.280 for for worthy projects but while those 02:59:47.360 --> 02:59:49.200 until those projects take place that 02:59:49.280 --> 02:59:51.520 sits in reserves and it used to get us a 02:59:51.600 --> 02:59:53.559 little bit of Interest 02:59:53.639 --> 02:59:55.200 um we all know there's been 10 interest 02:59:55.280 --> 02:59:57.600 rate Rises anyone with a mortgage has 02:59:57.680 --> 02:59:59.520 been slugged or about to get slugged 02:59:59.600 --> 03:00:02.680 next month as in my situation when my 03:00:02.760 --> 03:00:05.319 fixed interest rates end 03:00:05.399 --> 03:00:07.879 for everyone that's suffered with an 03:00:07.959 --> 03:00:10.000 interest rate increase in a mortgage 03:00:10.079 --> 03:00:11.680 increase in their repayments is People 03:00:11.760 --> 03:00:14.079 Like Us at Council who have cash in the 03:00:14.159 --> 03:00:15.479 bank who have 03:00:15.559 --> 03:00:18.399 suddenly got this windfall gain that we 03:00:18.479 --> 03:00:20.040 didn't really expect that no one saw 03:00:20.120 --> 03:00:23.239 coming about 12 months ago so we have 03:00:23.319 --> 03:00:25.760 millions of dollars in interest Revenue 03:00:25.840 --> 03:00:28.479 that we weren't expecting that we didn't 03:00:28.559 --> 03:00:31.120 plan on and I think this is a A fitting 03:00:31.200 --> 03:00:33.600 way to share that 03:00:33.680 --> 03:00:37.479 with our residents of our city 03:00:37.559 --> 03:00:38.639 um that you know we've had this 03:00:38.719 --> 03:00:40.840 unplanned windfall the wrong thing to do 03:00:40.920 --> 03:00:42.280 would be to rush off and spend this and 03:00:42.360 --> 03:00:43.959 say Hey you know look at this let's go 03:00:44.040 --> 03:00:46.360 and do it run run out and spend it the 03:00:46.440 --> 03:00:47.639 right thing to do is return it to those 03:00:47.719 --> 03:00:49.600 who many of whom will be suffering from 03:00:49.680 --> 03:00:51.600 interest rate increases themselves on 03:00:51.680 --> 03:00:54.120 their mortgages and will appreciate us 03:00:54.200 --> 03:00:55.440 acknowledging 03:00:55.520 --> 03:00:58.559 their their situation by us not 03:00:58.639 --> 03:01:02.280 increasing the the rates by as much as 03:01:02.360 --> 03:01:04.680 we potentially could in 3.5 but only 03:01:04.760 --> 03:01:09.040 going up by a a 2.8 increase we know we 03:01:09.120 --> 03:01:11.159 have cost increases here at the city of 03:01:11.239 --> 03:01:13.719 Port Phillip so this will put us in a 03:01:13.799 --> 03:01:15.879 situation where we need to yeah find 03:01:15.959 --> 03:01:18.040 some efficiency Savings in order to do 03:01:18.120 --> 03:01:19.600 this or 03:01:19.680 --> 03:01:22.360 um you know because those those windfall 03:01:22.440 --> 03:01:23.840 interest is not going to continue 03:01:23.920 --> 03:01:26.920 forever you know our staff wages is 03:01:27.000 --> 03:01:29.520 going up they make up just over 50 03:01:29.600 --> 03:01:31.000 percent of our costs here at Port 03:01:31.079 --> 03:01:33.760 Phillip our materials costs are going up 03:01:33.840 --> 03:01:35.159 our building costs are going up our 03:01:35.239 --> 03:01:37.479 project costs are going up so as much as 03:01:37.559 --> 03:01:39.520 I would love a zero rate rise budget 03:01:39.600 --> 03:01:40.840 I've probably pushed for one every year 03:01:40.920 --> 03:01:42.360 for 10 years and have been able to get 03:01:42.440 --> 03:01:43.760 one across the line yet but I still live 03:01:43.840 --> 03:01:46.079 in hope we do have cost increases here 03:01:46.159 --> 03:01:48.120 that we need to deal with so this is a 03:01:48.200 --> 03:01:52.000 responsible reasonable budget borne out 03:01:52.079 --> 03:01:54.280 of many years of fiscal responsibility 03:01:54.360 --> 03:01:56.719 and I commend it to my to my fellow 03:01:56.799 --> 03:01:58.879 cases and I look forward to hearing our 03:01:58.959 --> 03:02:00.879 community's thoughts on this this very 03:02:00.959 --> 03:02:03.760 very sensible responsible and respectful 03:02:03.840 --> 03:02:05.280 of the position many in our community 03:02:05.360 --> 03:02:08.719 are in budget 03:02:14.360 --> 03:02:15.680 thank you here firstly can I 03:02:15.760 --> 03:02:17.559 congratulate our Council officers Mr Lou 03:02:17.639 --> 03:02:19.079 and his team for having us in such a 03:02:19.159 --> 03:02:21.639 fantastic financial situation a lot of 03:02:21.719 --> 03:02:24.239 credit goes to members of our Council 03:02:24.319 --> 03:02:25.959 have been very fiscally responsible 03:02:26.040 --> 03:02:27.600 congratulations to you councilors but 03:02:27.680 --> 03:02:29.319 particular Council officers for 03:02:29.399 --> 03:02:31.600 providing some such guidance and 03:02:31.680 --> 03:02:33.799 although I've 03:02:33.879 --> 03:02:37.120 never never been one to uh 03:02:37.200 --> 03:02:38.920 look at trying to reduce Council 03:02:39.000 --> 03:02:41.079 Services given the service that we've 03:02:41.159 --> 03:02:42.600 got at the moment if Council was ever 03:02:42.680 --> 03:02:44.159 going to consider providing rate relief 03:02:44.239 --> 03:02:45.680 at any time certainly 03:02:45.760 --> 03:02:46.959 in all the years that I've burned around 03:02:47.040 --> 03:02:48.520 Port Phillip this is probably the best 03:02:48.600 --> 03:02:51.000 time to consider that but looking at a 03:02:51.079 --> 03:02:52.559 cut to the 03:02:52.639 --> 03:02:54.280 um 03:02:54.360 --> 03:02:56.440 to the rate cap is not the way to go 03:02:56.520 --> 03:02:57.399 about it 03:02:57.479 --> 03:02:59.559 I've done some quick back of the back of 03:02:59.639 --> 03:03:01.200 the envelope sums 03:03:01.280 --> 03:03:03.520 um 60 of our rate payers will receive 03:03:03.600 --> 03:03:06.760 less than ten dollars as a reduction in 03:03:06.840 --> 03:03:08.159 their rates that's not a particularly 03:03:08.239 --> 03:03:09.959 large sum it's not going to help them 03:03:10.040 --> 03:03:11.639 particularly much 03:03:11.719 --> 03:03:13.239 um and given that they're generally the 03:03:13.319 --> 03:03:14.559 people who are probably most likely low 03:03:14.639 --> 03:03:16.680 income young families in small 03:03:16.760 --> 03:03:18.120 apartments they're the people who 03:03:18.200 --> 03:03:19.719 probably need as much support as we can 03:03:19.799 --> 03:03:22.079 give if we're going to provide support 03:03:22.159 --> 03:03:25.559 to anyone out of um any having extrases 03:03:25.639 --> 03:03:26.639 I'll be looking at trying to provide 03:03:26.719 --> 03:03:29.639 some support to people like that 03:03:29.719 --> 03:03:30.479 um 03:03:30.559 --> 03:03:33.399 however if I look long term 03:03:33.479 --> 03:03:35.040 I can't crystal ball we're going to be 03:03:35.120 --> 03:03:36.600 in three years four years or five years 03:03:36.680 --> 03:03:39.159 and yes we're very very lucky because of 03:03:39.239 --> 03:03:41.159 some excellent financial management and 03:03:41.239 --> 03:03:42.799 probably good governance by this Council 03:03:42.879 --> 03:03:45.159 and previous councils as well we own a 03:03:45.239 --> 03:03:47.280 pretty good fiscal situation but we 03:03:47.360 --> 03:03:48.680 cannot see where we're going to be in 03:03:48.760 --> 03:03:50.719 three four or five years time much less 03:03:50.799 --> 03:03:52.200 ten years time 03:03:52.280 --> 03:03:57.520 and this cut to the rate from 3.5 to 2.8 03:03:57.600 --> 03:04:00.000 not a huge financial impact on people 03:04:00.079 --> 03:04:02.079 this year not a whole lot of money back 03:04:02.159 --> 03:04:04.879 in their pockets and certainly I would 03:04:04.959 --> 03:04:06.600 suggest for most of those people who 03:04:06.680 --> 03:04:09.040 need it very very little but it could 03:04:09.120 --> 03:04:10.440 put us in a position in three or four 03:04:10.520 --> 03:04:12.680 years time when we really are having 03:04:12.760 --> 03:04:14.799 difficulty balancing our budget 03:04:14.879 --> 03:04:17.559 we're looking at increasing staff costs 03:04:17.639 --> 03:04:19.120 we're looking at greatly increased 03:04:19.200 --> 03:04:21.120 construction costs 03:04:21.200 --> 03:04:23.319 we're looking at a range of council 03:04:23.399 --> 03:04:24.639 projects we have no idea how much 03:04:24.719 --> 03:04:26.680 they're going to cost 03:04:26.760 --> 03:04:28.319 um speakers earlier alluded to things 03:04:28.399 --> 03:04:30.479 like climate emergency there are things 03:04:30.559 --> 03:04:31.319 that 03:04:31.399 --> 03:04:34.000 and I'm not counselor sirkov going to go 03:04:34.079 --> 03:04:35.440 out and try and buy lots of playground 03:04:35.520 --> 03:04:36.799 equipment that's going to lie in fields 03:04:36.879 --> 03:04:38.680 I don't believe a council should I hope 03:04:38.760 --> 03:04:40.440 we haven't done that if we have we need 03:04:40.520 --> 03:04:42.120 to do something about it but there are 03:04:42.200 --> 03:04:44.479 areas such as 03:04:44.559 --> 03:04:46.559 maintaining some of our sporting Fields 03:04:46.639 --> 03:04:48.239 where we've probably significantly 03:04:48.319 --> 03:04:50.200 under-resourced them certainly 03:04:50.280 --> 03:04:51.360 addressing things like the climate 03:04:51.440 --> 03:04:53.159 emergency in three or four years time we 03:04:53.239 --> 03:04:55.959 may well need those funds and if we 03:04:56.040 --> 03:04:59.399 subscribe to a 0.7 decrease in the 03:04:59.479 --> 03:05:01.479 general rate now small amount of money 03:05:01.559 --> 03:05:03.280 back to people this year don't expect 03:05:03.360 --> 03:05:05.399 them to be grateful those people who 03:05:05.479 --> 03:05:06.760 want a rate cut again and say why didn't 03:05:06.840 --> 03:05:08.719 you give us why didn't you give a zero 03:05:08.799 --> 03:05:10.200 percent they're going to say we've got 03:05:10.280 --> 03:05:11.719 very little back out of 2.0 they're not 03:05:11.799 --> 03:05:12.639 going to be looking at what's going to 03:05:12.719 --> 03:05:14.440 happen in five years time so don't 03:05:14.520 --> 03:05:17.399 expect huge pets on the back foot 03:05:17.479 --> 03:05:19.200 but in five years time when we don't 03:05:19.280 --> 03:05:20.440 have the sporting Fields when we don't 03:05:20.520 --> 03:05:22.360 have the open space when we can't 03:05:22.440 --> 03:05:24.479 provide Community batteries when we 03:05:24.559 --> 03:05:26.520 can't um future proof some of our 03:05:26.600 --> 03:05:28.479 Council properties when we're trying to 03:05:28.559 --> 03:05:29.719 have difficulty balancing the budget 03:05:29.799 --> 03:05:30.799 because the decisions that we made 03:05:30.879 --> 03:05:32.920 tonight we could easily be locking 03:05:33.000 --> 03:05:34.600 ourselves into something that's going to 03:05:34.680 --> 03:05:36.040 come back and hurt us in three or four 03:05:36.120 --> 03:05:38.799 years time so I'm going to foreshadow an 03:05:38.879 --> 03:05:40.079 alternative 03:05:40.159 --> 03:05:40.719 um 03:05:40.799 --> 03:05:43.200 motion which if this one is unsuccessful 03:05:43.280 --> 03:05:45.399 I'll put up and in my alternative motion 03:05:45.479 --> 03:05:46.680 I'm going to be looking at providing 03:05:46.760 --> 03:05:49.239 some significant support out of our cash 03:05:49.319 --> 03:05:51.159 Surplus to those people who really need 03:05:51.239 --> 03:05:53.319 it Council I think you may have copied 03:05:53.399 --> 03:05:55.360 it already but I cannot in all constant 03:05:55.440 --> 03:05:57.520 support this one not because I'm not 03:05:57.600 --> 03:05:58.879 saying we shouldn't be investigating 03:05:58.959 --> 03:06:00.760 whether we should provide some support 03:06:00.840 --> 03:06:03.000 out of it what's been a a very good 03:06:03.079 --> 03:06:04.959 Financial result but I believe we're 03:06:05.040 --> 03:06:07.360 doing it if this motion is carried it's 03:06:07.440 --> 03:06:09.479 going to happen in a way where we could 03:06:09.559 --> 03:06:10.879 be committing ourselves to a situation 03:06:10.959 --> 03:06:12.360 wherein three or four years time the 03:06:12.440 --> 03:06:14.399 Council of the day may have difficulty 03:06:14.479 --> 03:06:16.760 funding all sorts of major projects we 03:06:16.840 --> 03:06:18.000 don't know what the future is going to 03:06:18.079 --> 03:06:20.920 hold and we're not future proofing our 03:06:21.000 --> 03:06:23.639 Council by this we're gaining a little 03:06:23.719 --> 03:06:25.319 bit of electoral popularity in the short 03:06:25.399 --> 03:06:27.600 term with people getting there seven 03:06:27.680 --> 03:06:28.959 dollars or their nine dollars or the 03:06:29.040 --> 03:06:30.959 twelve dollars less than the other ones 03:06:31.040 --> 03:06:33.399 would have paid if they realize that but 03:06:33.479 --> 03:06:35.280 I don't think long term 03:06:35.360 --> 03:06:36.479 um they're going to be thanking us for 03:06:36.559 --> 03:06:39.239 this so I urge counselors not to support 03:06:39.319 --> 03:06:40.760 this and to consider some of the other 03:06:40.840 --> 03:06:42.120 alternative motions that may be coming 03:06:42.200 --> 03:06:44.840 up later on 03:06:45.360 --> 03:06:47.079 thank you councilman 03:06:47.159 --> 03:06:48.799 councilman 03:06:48.879 --> 03:06:50.040 thank you 03:06:50.120 --> 03:06:51.040 um 03:06:51.120 --> 03:06:55.440 I'm a renter so I'm one of the 49 of 03:06:55.520 --> 03:06:58.239 residents who don't own land in the city 03:06:58.319 --> 03:07:00.239 of Port Phillip I think I'm the only one 03:07:00.319 --> 03:07:01.719 on this Council 03:07:01.799 --> 03:07:04.440 the other eight I believe all own and 03:07:04.520 --> 03:07:06.479 live in their houses 03:07:06.559 --> 03:07:07.600 um so I'm one of the people that will 03:07:07.680 --> 03:07:10.319 get nothing from this I always put an 03:07:10.399 --> 03:07:11.799 asterisks when I mentioned I'm a renter 03:07:11.879 --> 03:07:13.600 because I do live in a property owned by 03:07:13.680 --> 03:07:15.520 a family member so I do pay rent to them 03:07:15.600 --> 03:07:17.639 and I have a level of security that most 03:07:17.719 --> 03:07:20.040 don't and I get a level of autonomy in 03:07:20.120 --> 03:07:21.680 the property I live in which most don't 03:07:21.760 --> 03:07:23.719 but I'm not going to see my rent 03:07:23.799 --> 03:07:25.879 suddenly go down as a result of this or 03:07:25.959 --> 03:07:28.680 have an increase stopped um I'd be 03:07:28.760 --> 03:07:31.479 highly surprised based on these figures 03:07:31.559 --> 03:07:32.520 I think 03:07:32.600 --> 03:07:33.120 um 03:07:33.200 --> 03:07:34.680 I mean with the waiver we were looking 03:07:34.760 --> 03:07:37.239 at I think a seven dollar decrease on 03:07:37.319 --> 03:07:39.959 average for the bottom 10 percent based 03:07:40.040 --> 03:07:41.319 on this I think that's about a dollar 03:07:41.399 --> 03:07:43.719 forty on average for the bottom 10 of 03:07:43.799 --> 03:07:45.520 our players 03:07:45.600 --> 03:07:48.079 um based on the waiver I think was it a 03:07:48.159 --> 03:07:52.079 178 on average reduction for the top 10 03:07:52.159 --> 03:07:54.239 percent I think based on this it becomes 03:07:54.319 --> 03:07:55.799 a 35 03:07:55.879 --> 03:07:58.680 back in the pocket on average 03:07:58.760 --> 03:08:00.360 um and that makes me deeply 03:08:00.440 --> 03:08:01.760 uncomfortable because it's deeply 03:08:01.840 --> 03:08:04.559 inequitable in a 03:08:04.639 --> 03:08:06.639 Society where we have so few people who 03:08:06.719 --> 03:08:08.280 can afford property we have so many 03:08:08.360 --> 03:08:10.200 people who are doing it tough to 03:08:10.280 --> 03:08:12.520 masquerade this as any kind of cost 03:08:12.600 --> 03:08:15.319 saving or cost of living support is 03:08:15.399 --> 03:08:18.239 almost insulting it makes me quite angry 03:08:18.319 --> 03:08:20.399 because half of that musically will get 03:08:20.479 --> 03:08:23.399 nothing and then it starts at a very low 03:08:23.479 --> 03:08:25.680 number that the next sort of segment of 03:08:25.760 --> 03:08:27.399 the community gets about a dollar forty 03:08:27.479 --> 03:08:28.959 but the people at the top will get quite 03:08:29.040 --> 03:08:32.040 a lot more and that basically means that 03:08:32.120 --> 03:08:34.239 a huge section of our community will be 03:08:34.319 --> 03:08:36.600 basically giving away the things that 03:08:36.680 --> 03:08:38.840 they need to live in this community give 03:08:38.920 --> 03:08:41.559 it getting giving away Library upgrades 03:08:41.639 --> 03:08:44.399 giving away Park upgrades giving away 03:08:44.479 --> 03:08:46.360 Services potentially over the next 10 03:08:46.440 --> 03:08:49.840 years so that a small number of wealthy 03:08:49.920 --> 03:08:51.760 landowners can get a bit of money back 03:08:51.840 --> 03:08:54.000 in their pocket um 03:08:54.079 --> 03:08:56.159 the right situation as it is is always 03:08:56.239 --> 03:08:58.360 challenging right we've got a situation 03:08:58.440 --> 03:09:01.079 where the way we rate means that 03:09:01.159 --> 03:09:02.440 um you know it's based on property 03:09:02.520 --> 03:09:04.440 values we know that property values 03:09:04.520 --> 03:09:05.799 particularly in Middle Park and Albert 03:09:05.879 --> 03:09:08.399 Park have really gone up significantly 03:09:08.479 --> 03:09:10.600 um over a long time and I understand 03:09:10.680 --> 03:09:12.399 that that does present challenges to 03:09:12.479 --> 03:09:14.520 those people but that's not something 03:09:14.600 --> 03:09:16.079 that we as a council can really do much 03:09:16.159 --> 03:09:17.840 about we're doing some really good work 03:09:17.920 --> 03:09:19.479 on the differential rating which does 03:09:19.559 --> 03:09:21.120 mean you know that like one percent that 03:09:21.200 --> 03:09:22.760 we're passing on year by year will mean 03:09:22.840 --> 03:09:25.479 over time that we are reducing the 03:09:25.559 --> 03:09:27.120 burden overall in our residents but 03:09:27.200 --> 03:09:29.000 there's not a lot we can do 03:09:29.079 --> 03:09:31.200 similarly in the environment of rate 03:09:31.280 --> 03:09:34.079 capping any reduction to the rate is a 03:09:34.159 --> 03:09:36.120 permanent reduction it's a permanent 03:09:36.200 --> 03:09:37.840 reduction that we can't we can't 03:09:37.920 --> 03:09:39.399 suddenly in a few years time and we 03:09:39.479 --> 03:09:40.719 don't have enough money in the budget 03:09:40.799 --> 03:09:44.079 change our mind it's gone forever and 03:09:44.159 --> 03:09:45.760 that really worries me because we're in 03:09:45.840 --> 03:09:48.000 a pretty you know pretty restricted 03:09:48.079 --> 03:09:50.040 environment with the rate cap we're in a 03:09:50.120 --> 03:09:51.280 pretty restricted environment when it 03:09:51.360 --> 03:09:54.000 comes to the services we deliver and so 03:09:54.079 --> 03:09:56.040 this debate we have every year about 03:09:56.120 --> 03:09:57.680 increasing rates is kind of frustrating 03:09:57.760 --> 03:09:59.719 because ultimately all we're doing is 03:09:59.799 --> 03:10:01.440 deciding whether we want to go backwards 03:10:01.520 --> 03:10:05.280 or try to hold at the same level noting 03:10:05.360 --> 03:10:06.760 of course that many costs are going well 03:10:06.840 --> 03:10:08.840 above inflation and are causing us to 03:10:08.920 --> 03:10:11.079 ultimately over a 10-year Period start 03:10:11.159 --> 03:10:13.000 to slightly go backwards 03:10:13.079 --> 03:10:14.399 and there's you know I hear a lot of 03:10:14.479 --> 03:10:15.639 frustration in our community with the 03:10:15.719 --> 03:10:16.959 fact that we're not doing more on the 03:10:17.040 --> 03:10:18.479 climate emergency you know one of the 03:10:18.559 --> 03:10:21.479 biggest and most overwhelming challenges 03:10:21.559 --> 03:10:23.079 of our time 03:10:23.159 --> 03:10:24.520 um but I also hear a lot about you know 03:10:24.600 --> 03:10:26.079 asset renewal program you know our 03:10:26.159 --> 03:10:27.520 libraries are not in the state that they 03:10:27.600 --> 03:10:29.319 probably should be we have lots of 03:10:29.399 --> 03:10:30.520 things around the city that probably 03:10:30.600 --> 03:10:32.520 aren't the state that they should be and 03:10:32.600 --> 03:10:34.000 like we might not have the capacity to 03:10:34.079 --> 03:10:36.280 deliver those upgrades this year but to 03:10:36.360 --> 03:10:38.319 give that money away in perpetuity and 03:10:38.399 --> 03:10:39.799 thus prevent ourselves from doing that 03:10:39.879 --> 03:10:42.159 in the future to me is grossly 03:10:42.239 --> 03:10:43.959 irresponsible 03:10:44.040 --> 03:10:46.239 um and extremely short-sighted that's 03:10:46.319 --> 03:10:47.440 really the other thing I think about is 03:10:47.520 --> 03:10:48.600 we've got 03:10:48.680 --> 03:10:50.319 um you know we tightened our belt during 03:10:50.399 --> 03:10:52.879 covert um we said we can't 03:10:52.959 --> 03:10:54.600 we're not going to get the rates in this 03:10:54.680 --> 03:10:55.600 year so we're not going to deliver all 03:10:55.680 --> 03:10:56.799 the services we're not going to go into 03:10:56.879 --> 03:10:58.360 debt we're just going to tighten our 03:10:58.440 --> 03:10:59.639 belt 03:10:59.719 --> 03:11:00.959 um you know a few years later we're in 03:11:01.040 --> 03:11:02.440 the opposite situation when we have more 03:11:02.520 --> 03:11:04.479 money than we expected so then rather 03:11:04.559 --> 03:11:06.000 than putting that money back into our 03:11:06.079 --> 03:11:07.760 community investing in further Community 03:11:07.840 --> 03:11:10.079 Services we're just belt tightening 03:11:10.159 --> 03:11:13.479 again and belt tightening for a cost of 03:11:13.559 --> 03:11:15.840 living of so-called cost of living 03:11:15.920 --> 03:11:18.120 reduction that is just not targeted 03:11:18.200 --> 03:11:20.280 toward those I think needed that's not 03:11:20.360 --> 03:11:21.479 to say that there aren't wealthy 03:11:21.559 --> 03:11:23.440 property owners who need some support 03:11:23.520 --> 03:11:25.200 look we have really generous policies 03:11:25.280 --> 03:11:26.440 that the council I'm really glad about 03:11:26.520 --> 03:11:29.200 that and you know if there are other 03:11:29.280 --> 03:11:30.760 ways we could assist I'd I'd be really 03:11:30.840 --> 03:11:33.600 supportive of that but to to ultimately 03:11:33.680 --> 03:11:35.920 take things away from our entire 03:11:36.000 --> 03:11:37.600 Community for the benefit of a small 03:11:37.680 --> 03:11:38.840 number in our community I think is 03:11:38.920 --> 03:11:40.719 grossly unfair it makes me uncomfortable 03:11:40.799 --> 03:11:42.639 and it makes me kind of angry as a as a 03:11:42.719 --> 03:11:44.319 young person who doesn't own a house I 03:11:44.399 --> 03:11:45.799 suspect I'm not the only one out in the 03:11:45.879 --> 03:11:48.000 community that feels that way so that's 03:11:48.079 --> 03:11:49.440 where I am and that's why I'll be voting 03:11:49.520 --> 03:11:51.040 against this tonight 03:11:51.120 --> 03:11:51.760 um 03:11:51.840 --> 03:11:53.559 I think there's you know there's a 03:11:53.639 --> 03:11:54.879 number of opinions on the council I 03:11:54.959 --> 03:11:56.079 don't expect that we're going to get to 03:11:56.159 --> 03:12:00.280 a stage where we support a normal rate 03:12:00.360 --> 03:12:02.079 increase of three and a half percent and 03:12:02.159 --> 03:12:04.600 put that into reserves that said I will 03:12:04.680 --> 03:12:06.280 foreshadow that if all the other alt 03:12:06.360 --> 03:12:07.600 wrecks and I believe there's quite a few 03:12:07.680 --> 03:12:10.120 of them and the officers rack if all of 03:12:10.200 --> 03:12:12.840 those do fail that's some emotional move 03:12:12.920 --> 03:12:15.040 but at this stage I'll be voting against 03:12:15.120 --> 03:12:16.879 this motion I'll be voting against the 03:12:16.959 --> 03:12:19.000 waiver because I think it's um grossly 03:12:19.079 --> 03:12:20.840 responsible this is definitely grossly 03:12:20.920 --> 03:12:22.680 more irresponsible we don't even have 03:12:22.760 --> 03:12:24.879 the full costing on it yet but I think 03:12:24.959 --> 03:12:28.760 both are ultimately grossly responsible 03:12:29.520 --> 03:12:31.360 thank you councilor Comfort do you want 03:12:31.440 --> 03:12:32.680 to speak to it 03:12:32.760 --> 03:12:34.239 go ahead 03:12:34.319 --> 03:12:36.799 yeah thank you yeah I'm going to 03:12:36.879 --> 03:12:39.159 reiterate what uh Council on Yardley 03:12:39.239 --> 03:12:40.600 just said I'd like to deal with some 03:12:40.680 --> 03:12:41.920 facts 03:12:42.000 --> 03:12:45.680 we have already last year adjusted our 03:12:45.760 --> 03:12:48.479 rates in various ways to give reductions 03:12:48.559 --> 03:12:50.920 to uh right because of the group of 03:12:51.000 --> 03:12:52.440 people that small group that are paying 03:12:52.520 --> 03:12:54.959 proportionately but it is a property tax 03:12:55.040 --> 03:12:56.559 it's been redefined as a property tax 03:12:56.639 --> 03:12:57.959 it's not 03:12:58.040 --> 03:13:00.799 um and so therefore the properties that 03:13:00.879 --> 03:13:03.280 keep increasing in value compared with 03:13:03.360 --> 03:13:04.319 all the other properties in this 03:13:04.399 --> 03:13:05.799 municipality 03:13:05.879 --> 03:13:08.040 will bear the bigger proportion that is 03:13:08.120 --> 03:13:11.200 just the rates equation and that's a 03:13:11.280 --> 03:13:13.479 free market at work nothing to do with 03:13:13.559 --> 03:13:16.760 Castle but what council 03:13:16.840 --> 03:13:20.040 is we introduced a waste chart we took 03:13:20.120 --> 03:13:21.680 13 million dollars out so that already 03:13:21.760 --> 03:13:23.399 lowered the pie that we were going to 03:13:23.479 --> 03:13:25.239 take it out of and we applied a flat 03:13:25.319 --> 03:13:26.840 rate so it doesn't matter whether you 03:13:26.920 --> 03:13:29.600 have a 10 million dollar house or a 03:13:29.680 --> 03:13:32.559 250 apartment you're going to pay the 03:13:32.639 --> 03:13:35.159 same essentially waste charge so we've 03:13:35.239 --> 03:13:36.879 already reduced the burden on some of 03:13:36.959 --> 03:13:38.200 those homeowners but that's never 03:13:38.280 --> 03:13:39.799 acknowledged and I want this to be 03:13:39.879 --> 03:13:41.399 acknowledged let's deal with facts we 03:13:41.479 --> 03:13:42.879 also introduced a differential rating 03:13:42.959 --> 03:13:45.360 system so therefore some of that tax 03:13:45.440 --> 03:13:47.680 that was on residences will go over to 03:13:47.760 --> 03:13:49.079 the commercial industrial and we're 03:13:49.159 --> 03:13:50.680 doing it this year we have already 03:13:50.760 --> 03:13:53.559 reduced your rates the state government 03:13:53.639 --> 03:13:55.559 put a rate cap in a number of years ago 03:13:55.639 --> 03:13:57.680 they have already permanently reduced 03:13:57.760 --> 03:13:58.959 your rates 03:13:59.040 --> 03:14:02.719 additionally this year when uh at 4.5 03:14:02.799 --> 03:14:05.719 they put us in at 3.5 was our only our 03:14:05.799 --> 03:14:08.159 rates cap so you already have a rates 03:14:08.239 --> 03:14:10.319 reduction so to pretend that we are 03:14:10.399 --> 03:14:12.280 doing this for the first time we are 03:14:12.360 --> 03:14:14.440 doing it consistently and I think it's 03:14:14.520 --> 03:14:16.319 time to actually deal with facts and not 03:14:16.399 --> 03:14:18.239 misinformation 03:14:18.319 --> 03:14:21.040 uh so 03:14:21.120 --> 03:14:22.879 I want to go through quite a number of 03:14:22.959 --> 03:14:24.799 things but I do want to say to my loss 03:14:24.879 --> 03:14:26.280 who doesn't have 03:14:26.360 --> 03:14:28.000 um the food I don't know the price of 03:14:28.079 --> 03:14:29.159 being in seven dollars probably won't 03:14:29.239 --> 03:14:30.360 get you much if that's the kind of 03:14:30.440 --> 03:14:31.879 property range you're in but we are 03:14:31.959 --> 03:14:34.440 putting 40K in the budget uh to the 03:14:34.520 --> 03:14:36.639 various Food Services across the city so 03:14:36.719 --> 03:14:38.440 I do urge you to go and speak with them 03:14:38.520 --> 03:14:40.319 because that is what council is 03:14:40.399 --> 03:14:42.280 providing in order to provide put food 03:14:42.360 --> 03:14:44.639 on your table for your family 03:14:44.719 --> 03:14:46.760 look I am 03:14:46.840 --> 03:14:49.120 I Dreamed a lot last night and I had 03:14:49.200 --> 03:14:51.360 nightmares last night about this 03:14:51.440 --> 03:14:53.639 decision we were going to make today 03:14:53.719 --> 03:14:55.239 because 03:14:55.319 --> 03:14:57.520 it really is 03:14:57.600 --> 03:14:59.280 a big decision and essentially we're 03:14:59.360 --> 03:15:01.360 looking at whether 03:15:01.440 --> 03:15:03.680 this money collectively or individually 03:15:03.760 --> 03:15:05.520 will provide enough benefit to the 03:15:05.600 --> 03:15:06.799 community 03:15:06.879 --> 03:15:09.360 and as Council in the yard weeks stayed 03:15:09.440 --> 03:15:12.360 at 49 of our community rent 03:15:12.440 --> 03:15:15.120 and they are never going to see any of 03:15:15.200 --> 03:15:17.559 this rate reduction especially if it's 03:15:17.639 --> 03:15:19.680 only seven to you know twenty dollars 03:15:19.760 --> 03:15:21.639 they are never going to see it 03:15:21.719 --> 03:15:23.639 so I get 03:15:23.719 --> 03:15:26.280 that proportionally uh 03:15:26.360 --> 03:15:27.879 property owners that have you know 03:15:27.959 --> 03:15:29.280 higher value properties do pay 03:15:29.360 --> 03:15:31.200 proportionally more 03:15:31.280 --> 03:15:34.120 you're lucky and it's great that you own 03:15:34.200 --> 03:15:36.040 property but part of the responsibility 03:15:36.120 --> 03:15:38.040 and the opportunity to be wealthy 03:15:38.120 --> 03:15:40.600 landowners is the responsibility of of 03:15:40.680 --> 03:15:43.239 contributing back to this community 03:15:43.319 --> 03:15:46.479 so basically you're asking us tonight to 03:15:46.559 --> 03:15:49.879 disadvantage 50 of our community to 03:15:49.959 --> 03:15:53.200 Advantage well it's another 50 but even 03:15:53.280 --> 03:15:55.600 back 50 a lot of it is a very small 03:15:55.680 --> 03:15:58.200 amount for 50 to 60 dollars is not going 03:15:58.280 --> 03:15:59.520 to change the game and I'm not 03:15:59.600 --> 03:16:00.680 acknowledging that there are cost of 03:16:00.760 --> 03:16:01.719 living house 03:16:01.799 --> 03:16:03.479 um challenges out there but I'm not sure 03:16:03.559 --> 03:16:05.920 that sixty dollars over 365 days is 03:16:06.000 --> 03:16:07.200 actually going to change the game for 03:16:07.280 --> 03:16:08.520 you 03:16:08.600 --> 03:16:12.600 um so but we are trying a lot so not 03:16:12.680 --> 03:16:14.440 only are we disadvantaging 50 of our 03:16:14.520 --> 03:16:16.600 community we're actually removing the 03:16:16.680 --> 03:16:18.360 opportunity to be able to fund things in 03:16:18.440 --> 03:16:19.760 the future so let's talk about the 03:16:19.840 --> 03:16:20.520 things that we're not going to be able 03:16:20.600 --> 03:16:22.200 to find in the future so there's a 03:16:22.280 --> 03:16:23.840 bridge in Elgort that we need to upgrade 03:16:23.920 --> 03:16:26.079 there's actually three they wanted them 03:16:26.159 --> 03:16:27.760 much more soon we haven't fully funded 03:16:27.840 --> 03:16:29.840 that in the future this Surplus we could 03:16:29.920 --> 03:16:32.559 put in so that when it comes time to uh 03:16:32.639 --> 03:16:36.239 to rebuild that bridge I wonder if the 03:16:36.319 --> 03:16:39.280 many many uh flat lines in oh flat 03:16:39.360 --> 03:16:41.159 dwellers in Elwood would rather their 03:16:41.239 --> 03:16:42.760 twenty dollars or to repair that bridge 03:16:42.840 --> 03:16:45.120 as quickly as we possibly can 03:16:45.200 --> 03:16:46.760 I wonder if the people at Fisherman's 03:16:46.840 --> 03:16:48.159 Bend and this worries me this is what I 03:16:48.239 --> 03:16:49.959 kept coming up at night there is a 03:16:50.040 --> 03:16:51.760 community coming online much faster than 03:16:51.840 --> 03:16:53.159 the infrastructure is being put in there 03:16:53.239 --> 03:16:57.239 and it could be 20 to 30 years before 03:16:57.319 --> 03:16:59.559 fully like the rest of the municipality 03:16:59.639 --> 03:17:01.360 has that kind of great infrastructure 03:17:01.440 --> 03:17:03.600 that makes it a great place to live and 03:17:03.680 --> 03:17:05.079 because that's not going to go in for a 03:17:05.159 --> 03:17:06.399 lot of years it's going to put huge 03:17:06.479 --> 03:17:08.280 pressure on South and Fort Melbourne and 03:17:08.360 --> 03:17:09.639 on the facilities and infrastructure 03:17:09.719 --> 03:17:11.520 that already exist there 03:17:11.600 --> 03:17:13.559 we know there's pressure on scorping 03:17:13.639 --> 03:17:15.959 ovals across this city particularly down 03:17:16.040 --> 03:17:18.479 at JL Murphy Reserve why don't we take 03:17:18.559 --> 03:17:21.040 that four to six million dollars and put 03:17:21.120 --> 03:17:22.479 that and work with the state government 03:17:22.559 --> 03:17:24.000 to buy another huge piece of land 03:17:24.079 --> 03:17:25.879 Australia Post and get that our next 03:17:25.959 --> 03:17:28.600 sporting Overlook that I think is a 03:17:28.680 --> 03:17:30.879 great use of a surplus because it 03:17:30.959 --> 03:17:32.840 benefits the entire Community but a 03:17:32.920 --> 03:17:34.440 particular community that doesn't have 03:17:34.520 --> 03:17:36.799 that infrastructure in place that kind 03:17:36.879 --> 03:17:39.600 of stuff worries me the other thing is 03:17:39.680 --> 03:17:43.079 uh the other thing last night I was on a 03:17:43.159 --> 03:17:45.600 um the one of the lead authors of the 03:17:45.680 --> 03:17:49.000 ipcc report now at the moment with the 03:17:49.079 --> 03:17:51.280 reduction of emissions across the world 03:17:51.360 --> 03:17:53.840 we're heading for three degrees 03:17:53.920 --> 03:17:56.159 which is not know any of the 1.5 we need 03:17:56.239 --> 03:17:59.840 to reach it is only a matter of when the 03:17:59.920 --> 03:18:03.239 next big weather event hits us not if we 03:18:03.319 --> 03:18:04.879 could have been maravanaugh I worried 03:18:04.959 --> 03:18:06.040 that it was being asked and not 03:18:06.120 --> 03:18:08.399 maribyrnong and when it hits the kind of 03:18:08.479 --> 03:18:09.879 infrastructure damage that we're going 03:18:09.959 --> 03:18:12.040 to have to deal with at Council we're 03:18:12.120 --> 03:18:13.760 going to need every spare Panic we can 03:18:13.840 --> 03:18:16.319 let alone investing in trying to work um 03:18:16.399 --> 03:18:19.600 mitigate emissions ahead of time 03:18:19.680 --> 03:18:22.360 it sounds nice but I know that there are 03:18:22.440 --> 03:18:24.280 many many people in the community that 03:18:24.360 --> 03:18:26.200 would prefer their twenty dollars go to 03:18:26.280 --> 03:18:27.799 when we really need it or to reduce 03:18:27.879 --> 03:18:29.280 emissions now 03:18:29.360 --> 03:18:31.239 I also know that there are people that 03:18:31.319 --> 03:18:32.719 we heard from tonight I'm sure if you 03:18:32.799 --> 03:18:34.680 said the Carlisle Street Traders can I 03:18:34.760 --> 03:18:36.959 give you twenty dollars back or can I 03:18:37.040 --> 03:18:38.559 clean your street more regularly like we 03:18:38.639 --> 03:18:41.440 do Fitzroy Street and Ackland Street and 03:18:41.520 --> 03:18:43.879 put the money towards that I'm sure that 03:18:43.959 --> 03:18:45.639 collectively they would think that was a 03:18:45.719 --> 03:18:48.680 better use of the twenty dollars or 03:18:48.760 --> 03:18:50.559 um perhaps there were a whole number of 03:18:50.639 --> 03:18:52.559 other people that we heard from um dog 03:18:52.639 --> 03:18:55.000 parks should we invest in land and dog 03:18:55.079 --> 03:18:57.879 parks and redoing our ovals or should we 03:18:57.959 --> 03:18:59.399 give people seven dollars back in their 03:18:59.479 --> 03:19:01.760 pocket uh I think there's a whole lot of 03:19:01.840 --> 03:19:03.120 things where people if you ask them 03:19:03.200 --> 03:19:04.959 collectively they would want that money 03:19:05.040 --> 03:19:08.120 put to a better use 03:19:09.360 --> 03:19:12.040 so where I come to 90s obviously I will 03:19:12.120 --> 03:19:13.719 not be supporting this particular motion 03:19:13.799 --> 03:19:15.520 it's not even just a rebate it's 03:19:15.600 --> 03:19:16.959 undermining the budget for future 03:19:17.040 --> 03:19:19.120 councils when we have some really big 03:19:19.200 --> 03:19:20.639 things coming our way still 03:19:20.719 --> 03:19:23.040 contamination we know that the costs of 03:19:23.120 --> 03:19:24.600 putting infrastructure in a fisherman's 03:19:24.680 --> 03:19:26.200 bank is going to be overwhelmed and 03:19:26.280 --> 03:19:28.959 catastrophic in our risk category we 03:19:29.040 --> 03:19:31.200 also know that our officers in their 03:19:31.280 --> 03:19:32.559 recommendation of sound economic 03:19:32.639 --> 03:19:34.840 management suggested that surpluses 03:19:34.920 --> 03:19:37.319 should be used on one-off costs not 03:19:37.399 --> 03:19:39.760 ongoing costs because it is a surplus 03:19:39.840 --> 03:19:41.159 this year we don't know what's going to 03:19:41.239 --> 03:19:43.079 happen next year and yet here we are 03:19:43.159 --> 03:19:45.760 discussing using it to undermine the 03:19:45.840 --> 03:19:49.120 budget for the next a decade that's not 03:19:49.200 --> 03:19:51.280 sound economic management 03:19:51.360 --> 03:19:53.440 that's just 03:19:53.520 --> 03:19:55.319 um I'm not even sure what I would call 03:19:55.399 --> 03:19:56.559 it and I don't want to go down a pub 03:19:56.639 --> 03:19:58.120 calling it names I'm sure the other 03:19:58.200 --> 03:19:59.559 people in Queens Road that's the one I 03:19:59.639 --> 03:20:01.079 wanted to mention would have preferred 03:20:01.159 --> 03:20:03.040 us to do this kind of study work and get 03:20:03.120 --> 03:20:05.440 on into all of the the roadworks that 03:20:05.520 --> 03:20:08.719 might make their Queensland much safer 03:20:08.799 --> 03:20:11.719 there are things we could do faster 03:20:11.799 --> 03:20:14.719 if we have this money why don't we 03:20:14.799 --> 03:20:16.200 invest it wisely back into the community 03:20:16.280 --> 03:20:18.479 in the places they really want there is 03:20:18.559 --> 03:20:20.719 a never-ending stream of new projects or 03:20:20.799 --> 03:20:21.799 things that need to be done in our 03:20:21.879 --> 03:20:23.680 municipality and I would urge you 03:20:23.760 --> 03:20:26.040 counselors if you want to talk about 03:20:26.120 --> 03:20:28.440 giving moth a one-off waiver I'm more 03:20:28.520 --> 03:20:30.360 interested in that but to undermine the 03:20:30.440 --> 03:20:33.639 ongoing budget when we know and we that 03:20:33.719 --> 03:20:36.639 there are huge risks ahead 03:20:36.719 --> 03:20:40.319 I think is as as councilman Yardley said 03:20:40.399 --> 03:20:43.760 grossly irresponsible and also not 03:20:43.840 --> 03:20:45.239 disadvantaging 03:20:45.319 --> 03:20:46.559 percent of our community and that's 03:20:46.639 --> 03:20:48.520 actually not a fair 03:20:48.600 --> 03:20:52.159 app please don't support this tonight 03:20:53.879 --> 03:20:56.920 all right thank you unfortunately that 03:20:57.000 --> 03:20:59.040 leaves me to speak 03:20:59.120 --> 03:21:00.399 now you've all heard some very 03:21:00.479 --> 03:21:02.399 passionate speeches tonight from both 03:21:02.479 --> 03:21:04.680 the public and the counselors and I'm 03:21:04.760 --> 03:21:06.760 really grateful that all of them have 03:21:06.840 --> 03:21:08.840 been respectful that thank you everyone 03:21:08.920 --> 03:21:11.920 for your contributions you can see that 03:21:12.000 --> 03:21:14.799 there are obviously many views they vary 03:21:14.879 --> 03:21:16.719 and 03:21:16.799 --> 03:21:19.440 no one's leaving here a winner tonight 03:21:19.520 --> 03:21:22.680 okay and that's that's reality of our 03:21:22.760 --> 03:21:25.360 municipality we have a big spectrum of 03:21:25.440 --> 03:21:29.319 who socioeconomics who owns rents Etc 03:21:29.399 --> 03:21:31.079 there's a lot 03:21:31.159 --> 03:21:33.120 I do want to point to a few things 03:21:33.200 --> 03:21:34.840 before I get into 03:21:34.920 --> 03:21:38.440 other parts of my speech 03:21:38.879 --> 03:21:40.920 um 03:21:41.280 --> 03:21:43.600 sorry I can't read mind writing 03:21:43.680 --> 03:21:46.479 okay so first of all 03:21:46.559 --> 03:21:48.520 I could see on some people's faces 03:21:48.600 --> 03:21:50.799 tonight that were in the public that 03:21:50.879 --> 03:21:52.879 might need to look and understand a bit 03:21:52.959 --> 03:21:54.879 more about our hardship policy because 03:21:54.959 --> 03:21:56.719 we do have one and I think that people 03:21:56.799 --> 03:21:59.559 are really struggling right now and who 03:21:59.639 --> 03:22:01.840 the people who really need it a phrase 03:22:01.920 --> 03:22:03.040 like that 03:22:03.120 --> 03:22:04.360 I don't even know who that person is 03:22:04.440 --> 03:22:07.360 anymore because it's so far spread now 03:22:07.440 --> 03:22:11.040 it doesn't come in a form everybody can 03:22:11.120 --> 03:22:13.200 recognize and say it so Council does 03:22:13.280 --> 03:22:16.079 have a good hardship policy get in touch 03:22:16.159 --> 03:22:18.159 we'll look at what we can do that's 03:22:18.239 --> 03:22:21.360 deferring interest on things it's 03:22:21.440 --> 03:22:23.840 waivers it's the pension rebates there's 03:22:23.920 --> 03:22:26.079 a lot that Council wants to do to make 03:22:26.159 --> 03:22:28.079 sure that people still have the 03:22:28.159 --> 03:22:31.879 well-being around this we exist for the 03:22:31.959 --> 03:22:33.360 benefit of the community 03:22:33.440 --> 03:22:36.600 and we are in a very good position and 03:22:36.680 --> 03:22:38.159 we're very fortunate about that I've 03:22:38.239 --> 03:22:39.479 been speaking to many other Mayors 03:22:39.559 --> 03:22:41.799 recently and I've had 03:22:41.879 --> 03:22:44.440 a wide range of conversations people are 03:22:44.520 --> 03:22:46.479 saying wow you're so lucky that you have 03:22:46.559 --> 03:22:49.680 that supplementary income of parking we 03:22:49.760 --> 03:22:52.200 have no parking income and so we're very 03:22:52.280 --> 03:22:55.959 lucky where we have found this other 03:22:56.040 --> 03:22:58.200 Revenue that's not fully on the rate 03:22:58.280 --> 03:23:02.319 buyers and um it's now actually been in 03:23:02.399 --> 03:23:04.120 a surplus because our offices have done 03:23:04.200 --> 03:23:06.159 such a good job and being very 03:23:06.239 --> 03:23:08.639 conservative and we've had some windfall 03:23:08.719 --> 03:23:13.200 gains in both the parking but also 03:23:13.280 --> 03:23:15.479 the reserves we have in the bank have 03:23:15.559 --> 03:23:17.520 benefited from the interest rate Rises 03:23:17.600 --> 03:23:19.239 so right now we're sitting in a nice 03:23:19.319 --> 03:23:21.879 Surplus and that's a very good thing now 03:23:21.959 --> 03:23:24.040 when I spoke about a variety of views 03:23:24.120 --> 03:23:26.440 you have some strong camps on both sides 03:23:26.520 --> 03:23:29.200 some that say take the money for the 03:23:29.280 --> 03:23:30.959 better good and do it for projects don't 03:23:31.040 --> 03:23:33.360 benefit everybody and I I can see it I 03:23:33.440 --> 03:23:35.520 understand the issues there 03:23:35.600 --> 03:23:38.079 I also see the other side saying well 03:23:38.159 --> 03:23:39.959 that's money and for people to decide 03:23:40.040 --> 03:23:41.200 what they would want to have done with 03:23:41.280 --> 03:23:43.000 their own money rather than just taking 03:23:43.079 --> 03:23:46.319 always the full rate cap and Beyond I do 03:23:46.399 --> 03:23:49.360 acknowledge that the cost of inflation 03:23:49.440 --> 03:23:52.799 Etc is exceeding the 3.5 03:23:52.879 --> 03:23:55.959 rate cap that has been handed down to us 03:23:56.040 --> 03:23:57.639 and there's been very good points made 03:23:57.719 --> 03:23:59.440 tonight 03:23:59.520 --> 03:24:00.639 um 03:24:00.719 --> 03:24:02.280 people are looking for confidence in 03:24:02.360 --> 03:24:05.200 Council and how do we deliver that well 03:24:05.280 --> 03:24:06.799 again some people think the conference 03:24:06.879 --> 03:24:08.200 is spending the money to deliver on 03:24:08.280 --> 03:24:10.440 projects some people think don't take 03:24:10.520 --> 03:24:12.680 money more money than you need tighten 03:24:12.760 --> 03:24:14.639 your belt all these things are said 03:24:14.719 --> 03:24:16.719 tonight 03:24:16.799 --> 03:24:18.760 in the last two years I have supported 03:24:18.840 --> 03:24:21.000 the full rate cap I 03:24:21.079 --> 03:24:24.159 um understand that we have a lot of 03:24:24.239 --> 03:24:26.280 things that are either unfunded or 03:24:26.360 --> 03:24:28.200 unknown in the future whilst we also 03:24:28.280 --> 03:24:30.600 have great forward planning I think the 03:24:30.680 --> 03:24:31.959 team's done an amazing job and I really 03:24:32.040 --> 03:24:33.479 thank you for everything you do and all 03:24:33.559 --> 03:24:35.399 your time putting this we've also gone 03:24:35.479 --> 03:24:37.719 through a big process in the last year 03:24:37.799 --> 03:24:40.440 the cost review there's a lot of Hope in 03:24:40.520 --> 03:24:42.399 that on 03:24:42.479 --> 03:24:44.159 um you know looking at that was going to 03:24:44.239 --> 03:24:45.639 be the where we'd find the savings 03:24:45.719 --> 03:24:47.719 because it's always been said as we've 03:24:47.799 --> 03:24:49.000 been a council 03:24:49.079 --> 03:24:51.959 that if you want to see a reduction you 03:24:52.040 --> 03:24:54.000 need to can't find the cuts where where 03:24:54.079 --> 03:24:55.760 are these savings that you want make the 03:24:55.840 --> 03:24:58.719 decisions and unfortunately we didn't 03:24:58.799 --> 03:25:00.760 find those savings 03:25:00.840 --> 03:25:03.159 we had a variety of people's passions 03:25:03.239 --> 03:25:04.879 and or the things they were supporting 03:25:04.959 --> 03:25:08.840 but it amounted to 87 000 in the 03:25:08.920 --> 03:25:10.000 cultural Development Fund and those 03:25:10.079 --> 03:25:11.639 people are very upset about that as 03:25:11.719 --> 03:25:13.239 being the one thing 03:25:13.319 --> 03:25:15.959 late night I hear people breathing sorry 03:25:16.040 --> 03:25:17.559 um but that cost for you I don't think 03:25:17.639 --> 03:25:20.559 that we should say that there wasn't a 03:25:20.639 --> 03:25:22.360 lot achieved in knowledge and 03:25:22.440 --> 03:25:23.799 understanding of where we actually are 03:25:23.879 --> 03:25:25.760 and that's why there are other things 03:25:25.840 --> 03:25:28.639 floating around today about let's do a 03:25:28.719 --> 03:25:29.840 bigger 03:25:29.920 --> 03:25:33.399 um what would that be less of a rates 03:25:33.479 --> 03:25:35.319 increase Etc 03:25:35.399 --> 03:25:36.959 but 03:25:37.040 --> 03:25:39.520 why okay 03:25:39.600 --> 03:25:41.440 um 03:25:41.520 --> 03:25:45.399 this item here that we have up is can be 03:25:45.479 --> 03:25:49.079 funded through the Surplus we have now 03:25:49.159 --> 03:25:52.879 so at this point it isn't 03:25:52.959 --> 03:25:55.079 for the deficit I know it's not for the 03:25:55.159 --> 03:25:57.600 gains in taking the full rate cap and 03:25:57.680 --> 03:25:59.680 it's not 03:25:59.760 --> 03:26:01.479 more money in the bank for future 03:26:01.559 --> 03:26:04.120 projects but 03:26:04.200 --> 03:26:06.360 to many people's disappointment to many 03:26:06.440 --> 03:26:08.040 people's Delight I will be supporting 03:26:08.120 --> 03:26:09.159 this tonight 03:26:09.239 --> 03:26:12.040 and the 03:26:12.120 --> 03:26:14.159 I know in hindsight maybe perhaps it was 03:26:14.239 --> 03:26:15.479 a different 03:26:15.559 --> 03:26:17.680 year would have been a better one 03:26:17.760 --> 03:26:20.440 but it seems the opportunity to see how 03:26:20.520 --> 03:26:22.879 this goes and I Know It people think 03:26:22.959 --> 03:26:24.680 it's the wrong time but some people 03:26:24.760 --> 03:26:26.319 think it's the right time 03:26:26.399 --> 03:26:30.079 so I'll leave it at that 03:26:33.079 --> 03:26:35.680 sorry I have to still talk and councilor 03:26:35.760 --> 03:26:37.120 Clark would you like to close 03:26:37.200 --> 03:26:39.799 yes thank you madame 03:26:39.879 --> 03:26:44.399 uh so I thank you for the debate uh in 03:26:44.479 --> 03:26:46.639 both from the speakers and also from 03:26:46.719 --> 03:26:50.200 Council counselors uh it is it is a very 03:26:50.280 --> 03:26:52.879 passionate topic as the mayor's outlined 03:26:52.959 --> 03:26:55.000 um a couple of things I'd like to say is 03:26:55.079 --> 03:26:56.040 that 03:26:56.120 --> 03:27:00.040 we talk about renters uh who get nothing 03:27:00.120 --> 03:27:02.639 um when I look at my investment property 03:27:02.719 --> 03:27:05.319 rates make up a significant part of my 03:27:05.399 --> 03:27:07.959 expenses so when when you look to 03:27:08.040 --> 03:27:10.600 whether rates rents are increased or not 03:27:10.680 --> 03:27:13.239 it's certainly a factor and anything 03:27:13.319 --> 03:27:15.760 that reduces the pressure on that has to 03:27:15.840 --> 03:27:17.719 be a good thing in terms of rents that 03:27:17.799 --> 03:27:19.399 people pay 03:27:19.479 --> 03:27:23.040 I find it fascinating to sit here going 03:27:23.120 --> 03:27:25.639 through my third budget and listening to 03:27:25.719 --> 03:27:27.760 the last two Council discussions on 03:27:27.840 --> 03:27:30.520 budgets and where we're putting up rates 03:27:30.600 --> 03:27:32.920 the full rate cap I should say because 03:27:33.000 --> 03:27:35.120 we are still putting up rates 03:27:35.200 --> 03:27:37.959 the justification was oh it's only a cup 03:27:38.040 --> 03:27:40.000 of coffee it's only five or six dollars 03:27:40.079 --> 03:27:42.479 so you know it's it's nothing we can put 03:27:42.559 --> 03:27:44.760 up the rates so that increases Justified 03:27:44.840 --> 03:27:47.159 now we're in the fortunate position to 03:27:47.239 --> 03:27:49.239 be giving a very small reduction and the 03:27:49.319 --> 03:27:51.040 response is oh well it's too small to 03:27:51.120 --> 03:27:54.120 bother giving so fascinating how that 03:27:54.200 --> 03:27:56.360 gets used both ways 03:27:56.440 --> 03:27:59.840 in terms of uh you know fully funded as 03:27:59.920 --> 03:28:02.440 the mayor spoke to with a surplus of 12 03:28:02.520 --> 03:28:05.680 million dollars and no reduction in 03:28:05.760 --> 03:28:08.319 Services required I'm not sure how this 03:28:08.399 --> 03:28:10.719 could be called irresponsible 03:28:10.799 --> 03:28:12.799 um we're not cutting services to deliver 03:28:12.879 --> 03:28:14.920 it and as I said we're using our 03:28:15.000 --> 03:28:17.280 position to actually make a difference 03:28:17.360 --> 03:28:20.200 out in the community or be it modest I 03:28:20.280 --> 03:28:21.959 agree 03:28:22.040 --> 03:28:24.360 um and I think you know if you talk 03:28:24.440 --> 03:28:25.239 about 03:28:25.319 --> 03:28:27.479 we generously spend 03:28:27.559 --> 03:28:31.559 248 million dollars uh across the 03:28:31.639 --> 03:28:34.760 community on all of the services so it's 03:28:34.840 --> 03:28:38.520 hard to see uh any uh conversation that 03:28:38.600 --> 03:28:41.360 suggests we're not adequately 03:28:41.440 --> 03:28:44.719 providing services and our support to 03:28:44.799 --> 03:28:47.559 the community in all range of areas that 03:28:47.639 --> 03:28:49.559 we look after so 03:28:49.639 --> 03:28:52.319 248 million dollars is an enormous 03:28:52.399 --> 03:28:56.920 investment back in our community and you 03:28:57.000 --> 03:28:59.200 know I would suggest that this is an 03:28:59.280 --> 03:29:02.000 investment in our community this rate 03:29:02.079 --> 03:29:05.319 small rate reduction or rate increase 03:29:05.399 --> 03:29:09.520 reduction it's their money as councilor 03:29:09.600 --> 03:29:11.440 Pearl said they are the best place to 03:29:11.520 --> 03:29:15.159 spend their small reduction and that may 03:29:15.239 --> 03:29:18.239 well be on heating food and housing this 03:29:18.319 --> 03:29:19.680 year so 03:29:19.760 --> 03:29:23.040 I once again look forward to and 03:29:23.120 --> 03:29:24.959 encourage you all to support this motion 03:29:25.040 --> 03:29:26.920 and demonstrate that support to our 03:29:27.000 --> 03:29:30.479 community and balance up our approach in 03:29:30.559 --> 03:29:34.159 this Council so thank you Matt 03:29:36.959 --> 03:29:38.639 all right thank you we're going to go 03:29:38.719 --> 03:29:39.959 ahead and take that to the vote all 03:29:40.040 --> 03:29:42.280 those in favor 03:29:42.360 --> 03:29:44.799 all those against 03:29:44.879 --> 03:29:46.360 all right that's carried can we have a 03:29:46.440 --> 03:29:48.399 division a division okay all those in 03:29:48.479 --> 03:29:50.040 favor 03:29:50.120 --> 03:29:54.520 Sarah Pearl consolo Clark Bond all those 03:29:54.600 --> 03:29:57.639 against nyagi Martin Crawford that's 03:29:57.719 --> 03:30:00.200 carried 03:30:02.479 --> 03:30:05.079 thank you now that was only part one so 03:30:05.159 --> 03:30:08.520 we have part two to go 03:30:08.600 --> 03:30:09.639 um 03:30:09.719 --> 03:30:11.840 the if you could put the officers 03:30:11.920 --> 03:30:13.959 recommendation for part two up 03:30:14.040 --> 03:30:16.959 or oh sorry I think I have to go is 03:30:17.040 --> 03:30:18.840 anybody moving the office recommendation 03:30:18.920 --> 03:30:20.799 or is there something else somebody 03:30:20.879 --> 03:30:23.600 would like to move 03:30:24.079 --> 03:30:25.319 anything else like to read something 03:30:25.399 --> 03:30:27.559 else 03:30:28.799 --> 03:30:30.360 councilor covered 03:30:30.440 --> 03:30:32.440 sorry I don't know where can we get part 03:30:32.520 --> 03:30:35.639 two up what okay if you can put the 03:30:35.719 --> 03:30:38.040 officer's recommendation up 03:30:38.120 --> 03:30:43.040 unless we have something else prepared 03:30:45.000 --> 03:30:47.040 I think did you foreshadow something 03:30:47.120 --> 03:30:49.559 sorry if I miss that one 03:30:49.639 --> 03:30:52.440 separately on this resist the waist part 03:30:52.520 --> 03:30:55.559 sorry I'm a little bit 03:30:55.639 --> 03:30:57.239 um this is part two that does include 03:30:57.319 --> 03:30:59.319 the item that you may be wanting to vote 03:30:59.399 --> 03:31:00.600 separately on 03:31:00.680 --> 03:31:03.399 separately on this one okay can I just 03:31:03.479 --> 03:31:05.440 have a one minute we don't have to join 03:31:05.520 --> 03:31:07.239 the meeting I just want to look at the 03:31:07.319 --> 03:31:10.479 voting opportunity here 03:31:10.799 --> 03:31:13.879 so I think councilor Crawford just wants 03:31:13.959 --> 03:31:17.200 to vote on one item separately so so I'm 03:31:17.280 --> 03:31:21.520 getting my computer on so part two 03:31:24.360 --> 03:31:27.360 so you're proposing to vote on 3.3.3 03:31:27.440 --> 03:31:29.319 separately 03:31:29.399 --> 03:31:32.520 uh if we could vote uh yeah to either 03:31:32.600 --> 03:31:36.399 include it or not include yeah 03:31:49.520 --> 03:31:52.520 okay 03:31:54.239 --> 03:31:55.639 hold on we're just figuring out a few 03:31:55.719 --> 03:31:58.760 things just give us a minute 03:32:24.840 --> 03:32:27.639 sorry cancer Crawford we are sorting it 03:32:27.719 --> 03:32:29.719 out on the screen so just give us a 03:32:29.799 --> 03:32:33.079 minute and everyone else on the line 03:32:49.920 --> 03:32:52.120 can I clarify with you councilor 03:32:52.200 --> 03:32:54.600 Crawford would you be wanting us to vote 03:32:54.680 --> 03:32:57.159 oh because item 03:32:57.239 --> 03:32:59.799 so we can't vote for 3.3 on it because 03:32:59.879 --> 03:33:01.719 that includes everything it would be 03:33:01.799 --> 03:33:04.639 your request is to vote for 3.3.3 03:33:04.719 --> 03:33:07.280 separately and then 03:33:07.360 --> 03:33:14.239 3.3.1 to 2 and then 3.3.4 to 3.3 point 03:33:18.559 --> 03:33:21.120 is that simpler 03:33:21.200 --> 03:33:22.600 pardon 03:33:22.680 --> 03:33:25.879 that's what I was proposing but 03:33:25.959 --> 03:33:27.600 okay 03:33:27.680 --> 03:33:29.680 so the 03:33:29.760 --> 03:33:32.479 waiting 03:33:34.920 --> 03:33:38.319 what order would you say 03:33:38.399 --> 03:33:41.440 can you go on a microphone please 03:33:41.520 --> 03:33:43.719 can you telling me no no sorry 03:33:43.799 --> 03:33:46.799 um Miss Carol 03:33:51.200 --> 03:33:54.079 thank you sorry 03:33:58.200 --> 03:34:00.280 through you man the team are going to 03:34:00.360 --> 03:34:02.159 bring up the proposal for how to deal 03:34:02.239 --> 03:34:03.799 with this now 03:34:03.879 --> 03:34:06.879 but we would look to separate it into 03:34:06.959 --> 03:34:10.079 part two a which we'd consider three 03:34:10.159 --> 03:34:11.319 point 03:34:11.399 --> 03:34:16.200 everything but 3.3.3 3.3.1 03:34:23.479 --> 03:34:26.360 3 03:34:33.799 --> 03:34:36.680 and then 3.3.3 last or should we just 03:34:36.760 --> 03:34:38.520 move it up and have that vote first and 03:34:38.600 --> 03:34:41.360 then do everything else 03:34:43.559 --> 03:34:44.680 okay 03:34:44.760 --> 03:34:48.120 I'm gonna make a call here that we will 03:34:48.200 --> 03:34:51.959 um debate on the entire three point 03:34:52.040 --> 03:34:55.559 two whatever the the part two the part 03:34:55.639 --> 03:34:58.639 two right and I will then take it the 03:34:58.719 --> 03:35:00.760 vote in parts 03:35:00.840 --> 03:35:05.280 that will go with 3.3.3 first and then 03:35:05.360 --> 03:35:09.360 every remaining item second so again we 03:35:09.440 --> 03:35:12.280 are on part two the debate will be 03:35:12.360 --> 03:35:14.040 uh we're moving the office's 03:35:14.120 --> 03:35:16.200 recommendation is up there if anybody 03:35:16.280 --> 03:35:17.520 wants to move this or something else 03:35:17.600 --> 03:35:20.319 I'll look for a mover and a seconder 03:35:20.399 --> 03:35:22.559 and then we'll open the debate and we'll 03:35:22.639 --> 03:35:24.959 take the voting in Parts is that what is 03:35:25.040 --> 03:35:26.799 is that okay with you councilor Crawford 03:35:26.879 --> 03:35:28.840 since you brought it up yeah whatever 03:35:28.920 --> 03:35:32.159 whatever works okay 03:35:32.239 --> 03:35:34.760 um usually there's questions a lot of 03:35:34.840 --> 03:35:36.000 the offices at the beginning so I'll 03:35:36.079 --> 03:35:38.040 start with that there are there any 03:35:38.120 --> 03:35:40.319 questions of the officers or of how 03:35:40.399 --> 03:35:42.159 we're doing this 03:35:42.239 --> 03:35:45.879 to start us off with any questions 03:35:45.959 --> 03:35:47.319 no 03:35:47.399 --> 03:35:48.959 is there somebody wants to move the 03:35:49.040 --> 03:35:50.200 officer's recommendation or something 03:35:50.280 --> 03:35:52.200 else councilor Bond what do you want to 03:35:52.280 --> 03:35:53.799 move 03:35:53.879 --> 03:35:56.680 I'll move the officer's recommendation 03:35:56.760 --> 03:35:58.440 hold on let me get my paperwork okay 03:35:58.520 --> 03:36:00.879 bond to move office of recommendation 03:36:00.959 --> 03:36:03.120 parole to second 03:36:03.200 --> 03:36:05.440 go ahead and speak to councilor Bond oh 03:36:05.520 --> 03:36:08.399 that's a rock all right no uh Council 03:36:08.479 --> 03:36:09.879 Pearl 03:36:09.959 --> 03:36:13.000 okay who would like to speak to the item 03:36:13.079 --> 03:36:14.639 this is speaking to everything that's in 03:36:14.719 --> 03:36:17.440 part two Okay Go Okay councilor Crawford 03:36:17.520 --> 03:36:20.319 uh look I I note that we just well the 03:36:20.399 --> 03:36:23.319 majority has not uh has passed uh rent 03:36:23.399 --> 03:36:26.159 red reduction and uh and 03:36:26.239 --> 03:36:29.520 um and thinks that that 4.4 million to 03:36:29.600 --> 03:36:31.200 give back to the community is worthwhile 03:36:31.280 --> 03:36:34.239 uh the whole point of the uh cost review 03:36:34.319 --> 03:36:35.680 was to look 03:36:35.760 --> 03:36:40.319 at ways of funding that so 87 000 goes a 03:36:40.399 --> 03:36:41.719 hell of a long way in the creative 03:36:41.799 --> 03:36:44.079 Community which has done it Charter than 03:36:44.159 --> 03:36:47.040 most other Industries uh along with 03:36:47.120 --> 03:36:49.239 hospitality so this is the most 03:36:49.319 --> 03:36:51.520 disadvantaged section of our community 03:36:51.600 --> 03:36:54.040 and one in ten residents in our area are 03:36:54.120 --> 03:36:57.479 creators it is a very small amount that 03:36:57.559 --> 03:37:01.120 gets divided by about uh you know 03:37:01.200 --> 03:37:03.479 between 10 to 15 projects over a year 03:37:03.559 --> 03:37:06.000 and most of that money goes back 03:37:06.079 --> 03:37:08.399 into the community which we are saying 03:37:08.479 --> 03:37:10.879 that we're wanting to support by this 03:37:10.959 --> 03:37:13.760 um the rate reduction so I would urge 03:37:13.840 --> 03:37:16.719 you given the decision we just made to 03:37:16.799 --> 03:37:19.559 actually support the industry most hit 03:37:19.639 --> 03:37:21.799 by covid and cost of living and all of 03:37:21.879 --> 03:37:23.079 these things that we say we care about 03:37:23.159 --> 03:37:25.440 but show the community that we do 03:37:25.520 --> 03:37:28.239 actually care and remove it from uh 03:37:28.319 --> 03:37:30.120 reduction so it goes back to being the 03:37:30.200 --> 03:37:32.639 187 000 and let's remove it so it 03:37:32.719 --> 03:37:36.159 doesn't go out to community consultation 03:37:39.239 --> 03:37:41.719 okay 03:37:42.680 --> 03:37:44.040 um anybody else want to speak to the 03:37:44.120 --> 03:37:46.760 Adam councilman ugly 03:37:46.840 --> 03:37:49.479 yeah thank you I also am very keen to 03:37:49.559 --> 03:37:52.559 see this cost cut removed from the 03:37:52.639 --> 03:37:54.120 budget consultation and removed from the 03:37:54.200 --> 03:37:56.440 possibility of being in our budget we've 03:37:56.520 --> 03:37:57.600 heard pretty clearly from the community 03:37:57.680 --> 03:38:00.520 that they're Keen to retain the cultural 03:38:00.600 --> 03:38:01.959 Development Fund we've heard from a 03:38:02.040 --> 03:38:03.239 number of people who have received 03:38:03.319 --> 03:38:04.719 funding and have done really awesome and 03:38:04.799 --> 03:38:07.079 exciting things in our community 03:38:07.159 --> 03:38:07.959 um 03:38:08.040 --> 03:38:09.520 I think at this point the only reason 03:38:09.600 --> 03:38:11.159 we'll be keeping it is to try to save 03:38:11.239 --> 03:38:12.280 face around 03:38:12.360 --> 03:38:14.200 the cost review which clearly was a 03:38:14.280 --> 03:38:15.879 failure and it didn't find any 03:38:15.959 --> 03:38:18.280 costs to to remove 03:38:18.360 --> 03:38:20.799 um Beyond 87 000 which is just hitting a 03:38:20.879 --> 03:38:22.600 small group of artists very hard which 03:38:22.680 --> 03:38:24.479 just to me seems 03:38:24.559 --> 03:38:27.280 um again unequitable unfair 03:38:27.360 --> 03:38:28.639 um you know particularly in the current 03:38:28.719 --> 03:38:30.600 climate as councilor Crawford mentioned 03:38:30.680 --> 03:38:32.639 you know we've got one in ten people in 03:38:32.719 --> 03:38:35.440 area in this industry we have a proud 03:38:35.520 --> 03:38:36.680 history of supporting them we have a 03:38:36.760 --> 03:38:38.040 number of really important institutions 03:38:38.120 --> 03:38:40.079 in this city and to kind of turn our 03:38:40.159 --> 03:38:41.520 back on them when they've done it so 03:38:41.600 --> 03:38:43.840 tough in the last few years to me seems 03:38:43.920 --> 03:38:44.799 quite 03:38:44.879 --> 03:38:47.440 um quite mean-spirited 03:38:47.520 --> 03:38:49.479 um I'm glad to hear from my councils 03:38:49.559 --> 03:38:51.159 repeatedly that they felt that it now 03:38:51.239 --> 03:38:52.479 gives them a better understanding of the 03:38:52.559 --> 03:38:54.520 budget and if that's what they want to 03:38:54.600 --> 03:38:55.959 take away from it as a success of having 03:38:56.040 --> 03:38:58.719 a cost review great but I think given 03:38:58.799 --> 03:39:00.479 the overwhelming response we've already 03:39:00.559 --> 03:39:01.959 had from the community this is before we 03:39:02.040 --> 03:39:03.959 even done the budget consultation I 03:39:04.040 --> 03:39:05.680 think we should be putting that money 03:39:05.760 --> 03:39:09.200 back in the budget where it belongs 03:39:09.879 --> 03:39:12.760 cancer man 03:39:12.840 --> 03:39:15.159 we heard at length about the great 03:39:15.239 --> 03:39:16.719 financial situation that we're in and 03:39:16.799 --> 03:39:18.639 the majority of councilors have passed a 03:39:18.719 --> 03:39:20.639 motion less than 15 minutes ago which 03:39:20.719 --> 03:39:21.879 reflects 03:39:21.959 --> 03:39:23.840 um their understanding of our excellent 03:39:23.920 --> 03:39:26.399 financial situation when we did the cost 03:39:26.479 --> 03:39:27.680 review 03:39:27.760 --> 03:39:30.479 um our Surplus was nowhere near as much 03:39:30.559 --> 03:39:31.840 as it is now there's been a significant 03:39:31.920 --> 03:39:33.879 increase in our Surplus in the last 03:39:33.959 --> 03:39:36.360 couple of months and although as I 03:39:36.440 --> 03:39:37.600 foreshadowed who knows where we're going 03:39:37.680 --> 03:39:39.479 to be in the next two or three years I 03:39:39.559 --> 03:39:40.959 think we can be confident that money is 03:39:41.040 --> 03:39:43.239 available for this year given that our 03:39:43.319 --> 03:39:44.840 financial situation is significantly 03:39:44.920 --> 03:39:46.760 better than when we completed the cost 03:39:46.840 --> 03:39:49.719 review given that I've had no one 03:39:49.799 --> 03:39:51.959 approach me and say what a wonderful 03:39:52.040 --> 03:39:53.399 decision it was at the cost review to 03:39:53.479 --> 03:39:54.879 remove funding for this but I have been 03:39:54.959 --> 03:39:56.559 approached by many many members of our 03:39:56.639 --> 03:40:00.319 community about um 03:40:00.399 --> 03:40:02.280 implementing counselor Crawford's 03:40:02.360 --> 03:40:06.600 Amendment here or alteration I think 03:40:06.680 --> 03:40:08.280 the majority of our community would well 03:40:08.360 --> 03:40:09.760 understand under our current Financial 03:40:09.840 --> 03:40:12.799 circumstances and given the situation 03:40:12.879 --> 03:40:15.040 that some of our poorer Arts Community 03:40:15.120 --> 03:40:17.040 groups are in that they would be quite 03:40:17.120 --> 03:40:18.360 they would think it was a good and 03:40:18.440 --> 03:40:20.639 financially responsible decision to 03:40:20.719 --> 03:40:21.719 remove 03:40:21.799 --> 03:40:25.639 3.3.3 and allow that community group to 03:40:25.719 --> 03:40:27.280 continue to be able to access the 03:40:27.360 --> 03:40:28.479 funding that they've been able to access 03:40:28.559 --> 03:40:31.159 previously 03:40:39.840 --> 03:40:41.840 okay 03:40:41.920 --> 03:40:43.840 anybody else want to speak to the item I 03:40:43.920 --> 03:40:46.719 haven't been taking notes but I think we 03:40:46.799 --> 03:40:48.159 have a few people can still speak to the 03:40:48.239 --> 03:40:50.079 item 03:40:50.159 --> 03:40:51.600 nope okay 03:40:51.680 --> 03:40:54.399 I'll add 03:40:54.479 --> 03:40:56.799 I know that 03:40:56.879 --> 03:40:58.879 everyone hates me right now I don't mean 03:40:58.959 --> 03:40:59.840 like that but there'll be a lot of 03:40:59.920 --> 03:41:03.239 people who are upset all around and 03:41:03.319 --> 03:41:05.520 uh an easy thing would be to put this 03:41:05.600 --> 03:41:09.000 right back in and I know that that can 03:41:09.079 --> 03:41:10.719 but I don't 03:41:10.799 --> 03:41:12.959 I know it was a disappointing outcome of 03:41:13.040 --> 03:41:14.079 the cost of view but it was a long 03:41:14.159 --> 03:41:16.639 process and this was a decision made 03:41:16.719 --> 03:41:18.879 what we're voting on in general tonight 03:41:18.959 --> 03:41:20.159 is taking us out to community 03:41:20.239 --> 03:41:22.600 consultation so 03:41:22.680 --> 03:41:24.520 it's a bit confusing about what we're 03:41:24.600 --> 03:41:26.040 actually voting on here but if you vote 03:41:26.120 --> 03:41:28.600 in favor of this 03:41:28.680 --> 03:41:32.559 it is gonna be a reduction as it's 03:41:32.639 --> 03:41:33.879 written here 03:41:33.959 --> 03:41:35.680 and it would go out to community 03:41:35.760 --> 03:41:37.959 consultation that we're not that we are 03:41:38.040 --> 03:41:40.000 doing this reduction if you vote against 03:41:40.079 --> 03:41:44.159 it it is saying that you want it back in 03:41:44.239 --> 03:41:46.639 so it's a bit confusing how this goes 03:41:46.719 --> 03:41:50.440 down so I'll be voting for this to stay 03:41:50.520 --> 03:41:53.280 as a reduction for now in the 03:41:53.360 --> 03:41:56.399 consultation draft budget 03:41:56.479 --> 03:41:58.000 there is still an opportunity at the 03:41:58.079 --> 03:42:00.479 final budget to make a change 03:42:00.559 --> 03:42:02.920 so I hope that explains what I'll be 03:42:03.000 --> 03:42:04.479 doing anybody else want to speak to the 03:42:04.559 --> 03:42:06.799 item 03:42:07.079 --> 03:42:08.799 no okay 03:42:08.879 --> 03:42:13.319 so we're going to vote on 3.3.3 first 03:42:13.399 --> 03:42:15.520 all those in favor 03:42:15.600 --> 03:42:18.159 sorry 03:42:19.319 --> 03:42:21.520 okay let me in general we're doing two 03:42:21.600 --> 03:42:23.319 votes in part two 03:42:23.399 --> 03:42:25.639 the first part will be 3.3.3 because 03:42:25.719 --> 03:42:27.280 it's been requested to be voted on 03:42:27.360 --> 03:42:29.040 separately 03:42:29.120 --> 03:42:30.520 as it's written in the office's 03:42:30.600 --> 03:42:32.680 recommendation it says the outcome from 03:42:32.760 --> 03:42:36.399 the cost review 2022 includes an 87 000 03:42:36.479 --> 03:42:38.680 production to the cultural Development 03:42:38.760 --> 03:42:41.280 Fund project stream sorry Dash project 03:42:41.360 --> 03:42:43.600 stream funding for individual creative 03:42:43.680 --> 03:42:46.479 art artists creative projects for 03:42:46.559 --> 03:42:49.079 consultation with the draft budget 23 03:42:49.159 --> 03:42:51.799 24. so it's a reduction you'd be voting 03:42:51.879 --> 03:42:54.799 for reduction if you vote for this as 03:42:54.879 --> 03:42:58.000 written if you vote against it you would 03:42:58.079 --> 03:42:59.719 no one's putting up an ALT motion to 03:42:59.799 --> 03:43:01.879 bring it back in 03:43:01.959 --> 03:43:04.079 we're being clear about that if you vote 03:43:04.159 --> 03:43:05.520 against it 03:43:05.600 --> 03:43:07.840 what does that mean 03:43:07.920 --> 03:43:10.959 three it would automatically stay in and 03:43:11.040 --> 03:43:12.680 we'd have to make a consequential change 03:43:12.760 --> 03:43:15.120 to the Surplus but I'll deal with that 03:43:15.200 --> 03:43:17.680 later thank you for clarifying 03:43:17.760 --> 03:43:21.079 does that clarify for you 03:43:21.360 --> 03:43:23.680 I'll take it to the vote now all those 03:43:23.760 --> 03:43:27.120 in favor of 03:43:27.200 --> 03:43:28.879 3.3.3 03:43:28.959 --> 03:43:31.319 all right that's carried all those 03:43:31.399 --> 03:43:32.840 against 03:43:32.920 --> 03:43:34.559 all right overall it's carried sorry 03:43:34.639 --> 03:43:36.680 that's five to three uh division 03:43:36.760 --> 03:43:38.719 division all right 03:43:38.799 --> 03:43:41.000 all those in favor 03:43:41.079 --> 03:43:44.280 councilor Pearl cancer consolo councilor 03:43:44.360 --> 03:43:46.920 Clark counselor Bond all those against 03:43:47.000 --> 03:43:49.000 councilor Martin councilor Crawford 03:43:49.079 --> 03:43:50.319 thank you 03:43:50.399 --> 03:43:53.319 that's carried 03:43:54.559 --> 03:43:56.319 now we're going to vote on everything 03:43:56.399 --> 03:43:59.319 else that's in part two so everything 03:43:59.399 --> 03:44:02.840 minus 3.3.3 03:44:03.079 --> 03:44:04.639 now it's just a vote we've already moved 03:44:04.719 --> 03:44:07.319 and seconded there's no more debate 03:44:07.399 --> 03:44:11.079 always in favor of the rest of the items 03:44:11.159 --> 03:44:12.600 thank you that's 03:44:12.680 --> 03:44:13.840 carried 03:44:13.920 --> 03:44:15.120 yep 03:44:15.200 --> 03:44:18.120 okay now there's one more part 03:44:18.200 --> 03:44:20.559 I know I know we all feel it but let's 03:44:20.639 --> 03:44:23.200 hold it together 03:44:23.799 --> 03:44:26.280 the last part is part three 03:44:26.360 --> 03:44:29.680 and it's pretty basic uh I'll go ahead 03:44:29.760 --> 03:44:32.079 and move that is our secondary 03:44:32.159 --> 03:44:34.239 all right counselors I mean 03:44:34.319 --> 03:44:36.879 it's a little Pearl 03:44:36.959 --> 03:44:39.479 um anybody want to I don't want to speak 03:44:39.559 --> 03:44:41.879 about it 03:44:42.360 --> 03:44:45.000 I'm gonna close actually speaking sorry 03:44:45.079 --> 03:44:47.559 there are 3.7 notes that we will be 03:44:47.639 --> 03:44:50.079 voting on as a special counsel meeting 03:44:50.159 --> 03:44:52.639 on the 20th of June so up until then 03:44:52.719 --> 03:44:54.639 we'll be hearing submissions there will 03:44:54.719 --> 03:44:56.079 be the public submission hearing and 03:44:56.159 --> 03:44:58.440 feedbacks at the 7th of June you can all 03:44:58.520 --> 03:45:00.680 read about this it'll be well advertised 03:45:00.760 --> 03:45:03.760 but tonight is opening up the 03:45:03.840 --> 03:45:05.639 opportunity for people to give their 03:45:05.719 --> 03:45:07.239 feedback on the 03:45:07.319 --> 03:45:10.120 draft budget I expect to hear from many 03:45:10.200 --> 03:45:13.360 in many views so thank you let's put 03:45:13.440 --> 03:45:15.680 this to the vote all in favor 03:45:15.760 --> 03:45:17.840 that's Carrie do you know thank you all 03:45:17.920 --> 03:45:21.000 right now don't get up yet 03:45:21.079 --> 03:45:23.040 where's my paper 03:45:23.120 --> 03:45:25.719 okay that finishes out the 03:45:25.799 --> 03:45:27.360 um presentation reports thank you 03:45:27.440 --> 03:45:29.639 everybody for your patience tonight 03:45:29.719 --> 03:45:31.840 next nurse emotions councils we have no 03:45:31.920 --> 03:45:33.680 nurse emotions tonight 03:45:33.760 --> 03:45:36.120 next report by councilor delegates 03:45:36.200 --> 03:45:37.440 counselors do we have any reports by 03:45:37.520 --> 03:45:39.760 counselor delegates 03:45:39.840 --> 03:45:42.239 I see now I'm moving on councilor's 03:45:42.319 --> 03:45:43.639 urgent item in the business do we have 03:45:43.719 --> 03:45:46.120 any items of urgent business 03:45:46.200 --> 03:45:48.719 no 03:45:50.399 --> 03:45:52.120 yeah dinner dinner is urgent I hope 03:45:52.200 --> 03:45:54.479 someone has flagged that yeah okay 03:45:54.559 --> 03:45:56.319 um 03:45:56.399 --> 03:45:58.200 I think this is descriptive there's 03:45:58.280 --> 03:46:00.479 nothing there yes all right last item in 03:46:00.559 --> 03:46:02.520 confidential matters counselors we have 03:46:02.600 --> 03:46:04.360 no confidential reports listed on the 03:46:04.440 --> 03:46:07.079 agenda therefore no further business I 03:46:07.159 --> 03:46:10.319 declare the meeting closed 10 44 for the 03:46:10.399 --> 03:46:12.520 record