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welcome everyone to tonight's meeting of

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the Port Phillip Council the City of

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Port Phillip respectfully acknowledges

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the traditional owners of this land 

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the people of the Kulin Nations we pay

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our respects to their Elders past and

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present and we acknowledge and uphold

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their continuing relationship to this

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land Now there's a whole lot of points

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that I need to do for housekeeping so

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I'll try and do them short because I

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know a lot of you have heard them all

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before so we're going to have the

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meeting in a hybrid style  via our

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technical difficulties we will obviously

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take a break and try to resolve them 

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I'd just like to remind attendees that

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when addressing council you must extend

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the due courtesy and respects to council

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and the processes under which we operate

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 and must take direction from the

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chair when called upon to do so speakers

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must remain respectful and statements or

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questions must not be defamatory

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offensive or objectionable aimed at

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embarrassing a council law or a member

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of council staff or relate to a matter

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outside of council and just be careful

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not to disclose when you're speaking any

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member of the public's personal

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information such as  a name address or

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 any other information which is not

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publicly available and is considered

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private If there are any problems with

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tonight  and you don't comply with the

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rules  I may direct you to  leave the

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meeting I will give you warnings and

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hopefully that will not occur  please

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if you have any handouts  for the

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counselors if you could hand them over

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to Em and her team  and they will

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distribute them and if there are any

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unlikely event of an emergency if you

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could follow Em  and they are the

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 fire emergency wardens

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for us Okay so counselors let's move to

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item number one tonight which is

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apologies Do we have any

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apologies no but I will note that

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councelor Jay is online joining us

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online tonight  item two minutes of

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the previous meeting so councilors the

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minutes of the council meeting held on

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the 19th of March 2025 have been

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circulated are there any questions if

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not could I have a mover and a seconder

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councelor Thomann to move councelor or

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deputy mayor Mears to second let's put

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that to the vote all those in favor that

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is carried unanimously

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Excuse me

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Do we get a vote we don't vote we don't

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actually need to vote right we just for

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the online member of the council

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we did that show our hands I can see

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them from here is that what you mean

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yeah sorry I didn't see the hands that

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you did show of hands Yeah please Thank

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you Thank you for pointing that out all

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right Declarations of conflict of

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interest does anyone have a conflict of

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interest in one of the matters we're

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considering tonight i know there was

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talk is there That's all fine

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Okay so we're going to take a little

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we're going to do something positive and

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uplifting before we get into the the

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bulk of the meeting  so a presentation

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of an award has been added to tonight's

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agenda to congratulate

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 officer Sandra Stewart in the city

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development team for receiving the 2025

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consulting surveyors Victoria Award for

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municipal excellence so I'm going to

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refer to Paul Wood who is the manager of

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city development to say a few words

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 thank you and through you mayor 

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the Association of Consulting Surveyors

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Victoria is the body which represents

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businesses employing licensed surveyors

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who are legally responsible for all of

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the subdivisions within Victoria  they

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undertake a bannual survey where its

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members rate the performance of all

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municipal councils across the state on

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efficiency response time their

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understanding of subdivision act and the

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facilitation of subdivision outcomes and

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the city of Port Phillip has been

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awarded their highest honor which is the

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2025  municipal excellence award and

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I'd like to acknowledge Sandra Stewart

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council subdivision officer Sandra

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develops great working relationships

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with the surveying sector and is often

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consulted on complex subdivision matters

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by other local government subdivision

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practitioners the award is a great

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reflection of the professionalism that

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Sandra has in administering the

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subdivision function and as her manager

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I'm incredibly proud of all of the work

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that Sandra does in building this

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relationship with the sector so thank

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you Thank you and I believe I'm going to

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receive the award on behalf of Sandra

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and the city 

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thank you

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 It's very exciting to have that such

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positive news from the planning

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department moving from something happy

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to perhaps well not perhaps but

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something sad we have a condolence

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motion so a condolence motion has been

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added to tonight's agenda for Richard

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Norton an Australian martial artist

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actor stunt performer and long-term

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resident of Port Phillip who sadly

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passed away on Sunday the 30th of March

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so I'm going to refer to councelor

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Thomann to say a few words

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Yes the City of Port Philip acknowledges

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the lifelong term South Melbourne

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resident Richard John Norton who

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suddenly passed away on Sunday the 30th

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of March 2025 at the Alfred Hospital we

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celebrate Mr Norton's dedication to the

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martial arts sector for nearly 60 years

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Richard Norton was an Australian martial

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artist action choreographer and actor

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renowned for his dynamic presents in

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international action cinema Richard

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Norton held high ranking sorry

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black belts in multiple martial arts

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discipline including karate judo and

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Brazilian jitsu with over 40 years of

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experience he was highly respected

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globally as both a fighter and

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instructor he appeared in numerous

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martial arts films alongside many

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legends like Jackie Chang or Chuck

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Norris despite his long onscreen

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toughness Northern was also known for

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his humility professionalism and

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mentorship within the martial arts

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community he continued to teach and

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train he even took part to a fundraiser

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event where was present at the St Kilda

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Town Hall only about a month ago Council

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sends his deepest condolences to his

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wife long-term City Port Phillip

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President Miss Judy Green her family and

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her friends

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RIP Richard

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Thank you so I'd like to seek a

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counselor to move the motion that

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council expresses its deep regret on the

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passing of Richard Norton offers its

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sincere condolences to their family and

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places on record its appreciation for

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their service to the City of Port

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Phillip Council Tom would you like to

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move that motion and could I have a

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second at Councelor Cunsolo  so and

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let let's put that to the vote all those

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in

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favor and that is carried

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unanimously Thank you

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councilors public question time and

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submissions so we're now going to hear

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all the public questions and submissions

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on report items now under go council's

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governance rules public questions can

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only be asked about items not on the

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agenda  and some public questions will

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either be referred to an officer or

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taken on notice  and if you're

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speaking to an item on the agenda

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tonight a counselor may wish to take up

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your question when the item is

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considered so  I now refer Do I need

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to swap it over  so just look I'm

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going to be a little bit flexible we've

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got less speakers tonight so I'm going

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to ask you to speak between two and two

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and a half minutes  roughly  so I

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will ask you though when you're speaking

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just a reminder to  keep it courteous

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 and obviously not as I said before

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remain respectful and statements or

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questions must not be defamatory

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offenses or or trying to embarrass an

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officer or

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counselor Okay so let's get started 

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the first person is Paul Hickeyi If you

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could take your seat and you could you

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state and your name and suburb and then

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we'll give you about two and a half

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minutes

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Yeah thanks Madame Mayor  Paul Hickeyi

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in Middle Park Canterbury Road I would

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just ask if we could give you given a

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little bit more than 2 and a half

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minutes My first time here for about 12

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years so I'm not taking up too much time

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and I'll give you three minutes I just

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can't give it to cuz then I have to give

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it to everyone so 3 minutes Thank you 

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Grand Prix parking it's not working the

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the permit system is not working It's

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not fit for purpose and it hasn't been

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fit for purpose for the 12 years we've

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been at that this address This last 

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experience we could not get out of our

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house the neighbors could not get out of

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their garage Last year when my elderly

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mother was severely ill we could not get

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her medical assistance because the house

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was cut off by Grand Prix traffic 

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here is a list of 35 vehicles that I

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recorded in the 3 days of the Grand Prix

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Friday Saturday Sunday that had neither

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permit nor temporary parking  cards

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issued by this council Yet they were not

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booked these are the ones that were not

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booked so it's showing that the the

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program does not work It's flagrantly

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abused This list is made up of residents

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from Brayside sorry Bayside Hobson Bay

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Alpine Shire Glenara Yara and Mansville

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Shire that all rock along they park in

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these streets they have no authority or

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right to be there Residents can no

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longer park near their homes  my

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neighbors had to walk a block and a half

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with their groceries on Sunday because

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they could not get near their house the

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parking program as I said is not working

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I counted roughly there's 37 blocks in

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the permit area  my rough estimate is

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there was about 5 to 6,000 permits that

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are issued Those permits are being

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handed out to mates of residents Mates

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do not need and should not be getting

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access to parking the reason why Jeff

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Kennet brought the Grand Prix here in

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1992 or '94 was it had access to public

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transport If patrons want to go to the

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Grand Prix they catch the tram we should

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not be having limousines turning up to

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collect people waving plastic cards that

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then parked in my entrance way to my

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house and prevented me from getting out

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 and this is continually the case year

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after year and I'd ask council to maybe

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look at doing the following Abolish the

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card permit system It doesn't work

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Either introduce a system where

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residents like we do we have to buy a

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permit to park in the street they're the

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only permits that are recognized If you

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don't have a resident permit you're not

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allowed to park Or if you do wish to inh

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have this continue with this temporary

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card system have them allocated to the

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address to which the permits were sent

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so that someone in Kerford Road cannot

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give their mates two cards to then park

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in McGregor Street or Nemo Street or

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Langage Street or Harold Street near the

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entrances to the Grand Prix If they're

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being misused the address will allow the

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permit to be traced back to the place of

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origin It will show that the permit is

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being abused and the holder is

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booked That would be what I'd recommend

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as a way to resolve this and I please I

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beg you do something on this issue to

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stop this happening next year because

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people have had enough Thank you for

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your leeway and letting me give those

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recommendations I think you came in

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under the three minutes anyway Thank you

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Paul  do we want to have an officer

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Mike are you fish are you going to

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respond initially to Thank you

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through you Mayor  so absolutely

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acknowledge  and appreciate the the

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concern about the number of people that

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come into the area on on events day It's

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a massive event and it does have an

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impact on all residents and we

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understand that certainly  understand

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that  for all residents including

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those with off- streetet parking that we

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have a lot of people coming and going

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and it needs to be managed well so in

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terms of background  the temporary

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changes to parking restrictions for the

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Grand Prix in the areas does affect 

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access during the during the event and

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for this reason all residents and

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businesses have the opportunity in

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including  for a permit even those

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with off streetet parking  in total

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this year

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5,756 permits were mailed out and

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included

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2,747 letters to properties  and some

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additional 262 to residents and

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businesses  after request so we do

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acknowledge that this is continual

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refinement and improvement and and we've

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got a review  of this underway to

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ensure that we continue to look at this

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better some of this obviously passing

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permits around and things is is

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difficult to enforce but something we

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want to make sure we look at and

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continue to improve so could I just ask

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to follow up so we can take on those

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comments made tonight as part of that

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consideration in the review process This

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feedback and feedback we've had from

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other residents and businesses will be

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part of of that review Yeah Through you

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mayor If I can just add in terms of the

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other issue that was raised in terms of

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the illegal parking  council  did

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have a number of enforcement officers on

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for the entire period  and we issued

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some

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1,957 parking infringements Not to 

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derate from what my colleague said in

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terms of the amenity impacts but just to

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make sure that the community understands

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that we are enforcing parking

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restrictions But with continual

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improvement Okay Thank you very

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much  now we're calling That's the

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last public question Yes so now we're 

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get calling on people speaking to item

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7.1 which is the petition to keep Albert

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Park peaceful relocate this commercial

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activity to an industrial area Okay so

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Anna Kelly you're the first name on my

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list If you could  state your name and

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suburb and then you'll have two and a

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half

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minutes to speak

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Thank

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you Anna Kelly Albert Park mayor

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counselors and officers I draw

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counselor's attention to the offic's

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response to our petition that quote

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council cannot compel the relocation of

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the temple kitchen Regrettably this

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response misconstrates our petition

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which simply requests that council

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facilitates such

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relocation Whilst we understand that

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council cannot presently compel the

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relocation of the kitchen council can

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certainly facilitate it by working with

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the temple and the community to identify

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an alternative site This is what we seek

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Our petition puts council on notice once

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again that the kitchen's industrial

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scale operation places both residents

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and temple goers at risk as will be

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detailed in the presentations to follow

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there now exists real danger to people's

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safety arising from the intensification

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of the temple's use these are not just

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loss of amenity issues that can be

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managed by ad hoc council inspections

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and assessments

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these are persistent and pervasive

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incursions that cause near daily harm to

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the well-being of those in our

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neighborhood and they are symptomatic of

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an industrial kitchen operating in a

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residential zone and until that changes

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they are not going

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away Accordingly we ask that councilors

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accept the following proposed amendments

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to the office's recommendations and I

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ask you to turn to them Recommendation

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one as stated Recommendation two notes

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that a request to facilitate the

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relocation of the kitchen Recommendation

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three notes that officers are using

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council's existing powers to address any

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breaches of state or council laws and

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council will continue to work with the

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temple and the community to ameliate any

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adverse amenity impacts including by

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working with stakeholders to identify an

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alternative site for the kitchen

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Recommendation four notes that the

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legality of iscon's existing use right

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claim is being considered by officers

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and will be brought to a council meeting

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for councelor

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consideration Recommendation five

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provides petitioners with advanced

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notice of this council meeting and an

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opportunity to make submissions and to

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speak on the issue prior to council

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making a decision and recommendation six

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as

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stated quite aside from the current

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legal advice that council is seeking

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relocation is the obvious solution for

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the betterment of the whole community

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Thank you

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Thank

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you Who would I ask about that because

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we

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That's all right we can have that

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argent Okay  Shirley Lenning please

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sorry Shirley   if you could state

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your name and suburb and then you've got

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two and a half minutes Yes  good

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evening mayor and counselors My name is

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Shirley Lanning I'm I live in Alberta

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Park I have lived for 12 years in Boyd

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Street backing directly onto the Hari

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Krishna Temple in Dank Street  the

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Harri Krishna Temple has operated

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unlawfully as a place of worship for

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nearly 50 years without a council permit

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In 2010 council granted iskn the Hari

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Krishnas a permit for an industrial

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kitchen with one condition limiting

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staff numbers designed to prevent

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increased intensity of use of the site

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Council has never enforced this

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condition and the intensity of use of

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the site has increased dramatically

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exacerbating all the existing issues

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related to the

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temple the iscon site is no longer just

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a quiet community temple and place of

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worship It's a highly profitable

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business attracting thousands of

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visitors driven by the industrial

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kitchen which produces up to 25,000

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meals per week the escalating number of

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visitors come for three meals a day

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seven days a week feasts and chanting

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every weekend weddings festivals and

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takeaway food all catered for by the

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kitchen all these activities take place

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outside in the courtyard backing

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directly onto residential

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gardens these thousands of visitors are

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destroying our formerly quiet

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residential neighborhood and aggravating

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existing problems

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the crowd noise from the site is

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intolerable with unsupervised children

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screaming and shouting drming and

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chanting we can't use our garden as it

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backs directly onto the courtyard of the

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site so we get the full force of the

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noise from the temple and kitchen I did

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 provide counselors with some audio

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files

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 illustrating this point Hundreds of

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visitors going to and from the temple

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gather in our streets talking loudly

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outside our houses and disturbing our

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peace often late into the evening the

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operation of the commercial kitchen

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creates additional problems with

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constant noise from the delivery and

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waste removal trucks driving down Little

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Page Street from early in the morning

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shaking the foundations of the houses in

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this narrow street This can't go on It's

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intolerable for local residents and it

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is causing us significant stress and

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health

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problems the industrial scale production

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of food cannot be considered an act of

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worship and has no place in a designated

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residential zone the massive increase in

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density of use of the site since the

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establishment of the kitchen is creating

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unsustainable problems for people living

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in the neighborhood council needs to

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listen to local residents now and stop

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the destruction of our

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neighborhood Thank you Thank

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[Applause]

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you all right calling on alliheim 

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yeah ally if you could take the the seat

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and two and a half minutes are yours but

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again state your name and suburb

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please sorry it's a bit short here 

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good evening everyone My name is Ellie

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Hine and I live in Albert

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Park I've been a resident on the corner

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of Boyd Street and Little Page Street

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for over a decade While my first years

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here were peaceful the past 5 years have

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been anything but the establishment of

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the iscon commercial kitchen has

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drastically altered my life and not for

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the better

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This commercial kitchen brings up to 50

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large delivery and waste collection

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vehicles daily often operating outside

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legal hours along Little Page Street the

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relentless noise from 2:00 a.m to 11:00

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p.m poses significant health safety and

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environmental risks preventing me from

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enjoying my backyard or even getting a

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good night's sleep

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Large trucks speed down this narrow

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one-way cobblestone laneway often

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reversing against the legal direction

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and coming within centimeters of our

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house sometimes even hitting it This

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reckless driving causes accidents and

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blocks access to garages the trucks

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leave their engines running polluting

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the air while the putrid smell from the

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garbage trucks is

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unbearable the heritage blue stone of

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the laneway is being destroyed by oil

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spills from the trucks and the kitchen

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staff sweeping oil and food waste

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straight into the laneway creating

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hazardous conditions and environmental

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damage

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Children's safety is also a major

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concern the laneway is a high-risk area

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for foot traffic especially for children

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and the elderly Much of the traffic

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associated with the iscon does not

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adhere to traffic rules making it

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extremely dangerous for anyone walking

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cycling or playing

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nearby Community safety is jeopardized

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I work from home tutoring primary age

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students but the intrusive noise from

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little page street traffic especially

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the garbage trucks and delivery vans

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prevents me from effectively doing my

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job the iscon Kitchen primely serves

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areas outside our community providing no

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benefit to the locals while profoundly

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impacting negatively on our quality of

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life

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we urge the council to take proactive

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measures and facilitate the relocation

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of this commercial kitchen to restore

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our community's peace and safety Thank

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you

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Thank you  I call on Jennifer Borg

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also speaking to the same item Jennifer

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name suburban 2 and a half minutes

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Good evening everybody and thank you for

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the opportunity to speak My name is

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Jennifer Borg and I live in Albert Park

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This is not about race or religion It's

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about our community living in harmony

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with all including the Hari Krishna

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Temple the temple has evolved beyond a

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place of worship and has grown immensely

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over the last 5 years According to their

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own website the temple distribute over

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25,000 meals per week every day all year

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round This scale rivals any commercial

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venue in the area yet it's operating in

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a residential zone the temple is a

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popular destination for people from

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Melbourne and outer suburbs the result

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constant parking traffic congestion and

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litter on the street With hours from

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4:30 a.m to 9:30 p.m residents face

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daily parking issues despite

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restrictions Parking is made worse by

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the people attending the Mary Kio

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Community Center across the road On

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weekends the overflow of people from the

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temple spills into the Mary Kio

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Community Center creating another

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reception and eating venue for the

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temple Dank Street can no longer handle

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the sheer vole of cars leading to

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illegal parking accidents and dangerous

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situations with

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pedestrians Residents with mobility

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issues or deliveries are impacted But

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most importantly and sadly we can no

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longer invite family and friends over

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due to the lack of parking and noise we

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the residents pay our rates and pay for

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parking we can't get follow waste

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disposable rules and deal with issues

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caused by visitors from outside the area

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This is ultimately about safety access

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and the suitability of increasingly

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commercial operation in a residential

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zone so I ask does the council plan to

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let large-scale food distribution from

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the commercial kitchen continue even

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though existing use rights have already

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far exceeded the original purpose of use

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by the sheer vole of food currently

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and potentially increasingly being

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prepared at the temple Thank you Thank

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you  Michelle

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Ronan Hi Michelle If you could take the

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seat Thank

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you Mayor I am not Michelle Ronin She

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has been held up but I have her

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presentation to give if that's all right

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Michelle Ronin from Albert Park has been

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delayed I have her presentation in front

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of me if I Oh no we can't really allow

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that sorry someone else can't read it so

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I'm going to have to is she coming we

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were told that she was coming but she

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I'll go with other people first sorry I

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didn't realize that I can't we don't

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allow people to read out other ones so

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what's your name then maria Mccurio Okay

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Maria then you want more Yeah you can

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read out You You've got two and a half

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minutes Maria Maria Mccurio from Albert

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Park Mayor and counselors we are here

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tonight to petition cause council to

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take action Work with the Hari Krishna

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community to move the large industrial

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kitchen currently on the temple site to

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an industrial site While the iscon

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Temple has occupied the site for nearly

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50 years the crowds of people visiting

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and the activities on the site have

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multiplied year on year driven largely

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by this commercialsized kitchen the food

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output has increased from the production

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of a small number of meals for

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worshippers to commercial quantities It

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is expected to reach 25,000 meals a week

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to feed hundreds on site supply city

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restaurants all of this in the middle of

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a residential zone Council's own

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delegates report prepared in 2023 in

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response to a planning application for

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further development of the site

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indicated that and I quote the use and

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development of the site has reached a

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point where it is inconsistent with the

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residential character of the area

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your own council delegate your planning

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officer wrote that in fact

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non-residential uses of the land should

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be discouraged unless there is a net

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benefit to the local community well I

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think it would be fairly difficult to

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maintain that there is a net benefit to

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our local community I would refer

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counselors to this delegates report It

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makes for interesting reading the impact

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of this intensification on our

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neighborhood has been profound and

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relentless the speakers tonight have

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outlined the serious issues which they

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and their neighbors experience as a

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result of an industrial kitchen and its

00:28:23.840 --> 00:28:26.840
commercial level of output A fracturing

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of friendly relationships with the

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temple and the breakdown of a sense of

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community Crowd noise from the site on

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the streets destroying the quiet nature

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of this neighborhood Traffic in our

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suburban streets which continues to

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increase to dangerous levels Parking for

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residents that has become more and more

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difficult as hundreds of additional

00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.696
worshippers attend the iscon site the

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use of narrow local streets by large

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food delivery pickup and waste removal

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vehicles now well beyond what they were

00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.216
intended for Large-scale food production

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by a commercial kitchen is not a

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religious activity nor can it be

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justified in a residential zone the

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relocation of this kitchen facilitated

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by council to an industrial zone is the

00:29:10.399 --> 00:29:11.456
only

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solution and in closing I would like to

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say we are frustrated and angry with the

00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:18.616
ongoing dismissive treatment of our

00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.640
legitimate concerns by council officers

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we ask for a respectful open and

00:29:24.320 --> 00:29:26.616
transparent sharing of information

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honest consultation and input into

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decisions which have major impacts on

00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:34.056
our real quality of life

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Thank you

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Okay Thank you

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 Marcus

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Kennedy If you could state your name and

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suburb and you've got two and a half

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minutes once you get it up on your phone

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Sure

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 I'm Marcus Kennedy from Albert Park

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Mayor and Councelor I've got  two

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questions Firstly I understand that the

00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.056
iscon claim for existing right use is as

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yet undecided However the rights of

00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.535
residents are often affected by the

00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.456
progressive increase in food production

00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.176
from this commercial facility which is

00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.176
without question operating without a

00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.416
specific appropriate permit in a

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residential classified area the lack of

00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.296
council enforcement of its own planning

00:30:32.320 --> 00:30:35.296
processes in this matter is difficult to

00:30:35.320 --> 00:30:37.655
understand the residents of your city

00:30:37.679 --> 00:30:39.576
have clear and long-standing rights

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under local regulation and as recognized

00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.535
in the Victorian Equal Opportunity and

00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.255
Han Rights Commission

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Charter these rights existed long before

00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.200
iscon arrived in Albert Park the council

00:30:52.399 --> 00:30:54.936
officer report fails to mention or

00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.960
consider these residents rights My first

00:30:58.080 --> 00:31:00.216
question is when and how will the

00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.456
legality of the isCON existing rights

00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.480
claim be decided upon by council

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secondly according to the ACNC isCON

00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:13.736
appears a commercial cultural and

00:31:13.760 --> 00:31:16.760
religious enterprise posting a 2023

00:31:17.919 --> 00:31:20.919
annual revenue of some $25 million of

00:31:21.760 --> 00:31:24.760
which $1 million arises directly from

00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.799
food and beverage sales and activity and

00:31:28.080 --> 00:31:30.816
which incurs expenses of around $9

00:31:30.840 --> 00:31:33.576
million in employee benefits and

00:31:33.600 --> 00:31:36.216
volunteer reimbursements ments I don't

00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.976
know exactly what a volunteer

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.000
reimbursement is but to me this appears

00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:43.375
in every sense a commercial

00:31:43.399 --> 00:31:46.296
organization In 2010 and on the basis of

00:31:46.320 --> 00:31:49.015
an application to improve the existing

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.895
two worker approved kitchen facilities

00:31:51.919 --> 00:31:54.919
iscon applied to council to build what

00:31:55.120 --> 00:31:57.495
is patently an industrially capable

00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.519
kitchen My second question in approving

00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.736
this building and function did the

00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:05.616
council not question the apparent

00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.640
intention to expand output from a simple

00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:12.039
worshipper meals to a commercial

00:32:12.679 --> 00:32:15.616
citywide enterprise producing some

00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.640
25,000 meals per week and operating in a

00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.039
residential setting Thank you Thank you

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[Applause]

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we are now going to hear from some

00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.519
people in regards to item 13.5 the draft

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:34.135
plan for Port Phillip including the

00:32:34.159 --> 00:32:37.159
budget 2025 to35 and our budget from

00:32:37.320 --> 00:32:40.320
2025 to 26 It's the release for public

00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:42.135
consultation Oh and you say that big

00:32:42.159 --> 00:32:45.096
long one once so Vicky henderson are you

00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:48.120
in the room hi Vicki if you could take

00:32:48.159 --> 00:32:50.535
your seat and you've got two and a half

00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.559
minutes please

00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:01.296
Vicky henderson St

00:33:01.320 --> 00:33:03.816
Kilda I Vicky Dawn henderson

00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:06.135
respectfully acknowledge the traditional

00:33:06.159 --> 00:33:08.696
owners of this land the people of the

00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.495
Cooland Nations I pay my respect to

00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.519
their elders past present and emerging I

00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.056
acknowledge and uphold their continuing

00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:21.080
relationship to this land Members of the

00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.135
Port Phillip Council and

00:33:23.159 --> 00:33:25.576
attendees thank you for allowing me to

00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:28.600
speak at this meeting I live in public

00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.255
housing St Kilda and have been here for

00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:34.279
almost 5 years I have formal written

00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.039
consent from housing to lobby on behalf

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.456
of the residents in this building

00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.480
allowing me to speak at this meeting I

00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:46.760
am here to ask for funding or a donation

00:33:47.360 --> 00:33:50.360
of a projector and a DVD VHS player as I

00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:55.320
we do not fit the specific criteria

00:33:55.600 --> 00:33:56.976
council

00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.936
requires I'm not employed by any

00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:02.960
organization so opus committee meetings

00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.895
and bank accounts are not practical for

00:34:05.919 --> 00:34:08.919
us I already organized two programs run

00:34:09.520 --> 00:34:12.520
weekly in our community room the Chatty

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.575
Cafe on Mondays and activity days on

00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.599
Thursdays both two hours each Now I

00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:21.016
would like to organize another program

00:34:21.040 --> 00:34:24.040
for a movie night weekly during the

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.936
winter months of each year I have a

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.655
print out of both projector and a DVD

00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.679
VHS player with their cost if applicable

00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.736
I am just a resident using my knowledge

00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.760
and expertise to promote a healthier

00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.736
socially inclusive and active lifestyle

00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.375
for all in this building as we continue

00:34:44.399 --> 00:34:46.335
to age Thank

00:34:46.359 --> 00:34:49.176
you Thank you Vicki  councelor may

00:34:49.200 --> 00:34:51.335
take up a question around that once we

00:34:51.359 --> 00:34:54.359
get to the item  now Frank Artuso if

00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:57.896
you could take the seat Frank  I

00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.095
believe you've got some questions in

00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.656
regards to the budget and plan for Port

00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:04.055
Phillip is please feel free if you need

00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.079
to leave thank you for coming

00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.456
tonight I think Albert Park is over

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.480
represented tonight Hi

00:35:16.560 --> 00:35:19.560
Oh we were just active Frank Artus

00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.896
Albert Park Question one What specific

00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.920
model of city vibrancy and responsible

00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.256
alcohol consptions as the city of Port

00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.256
Philip wish to develop the council's

00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.280
draft plan and budget papers state a 19%

00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.656
of adults were at increased risk of

00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:37.656
alcohol-related disease or injury

00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:39.256
compared to the Victorian average of

00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:40.856
13.1%

00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.880
and B in 2021 alcohol and other drug use

00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.800
led to 22.6 hospitalizations per 1,000

00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:50.456
residents in Port Phillip compared to

00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.575
the Victorian average of

00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.575
8.7 is there conflicting messaging and

00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.575
risk exposure between the statutory

00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.575
requirement of municipal public health

00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.536
and well-being plan and the approval of

00:36:02.560 --> 00:36:04.616
any future venue applications that

00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:07.640
permit alcohol without food question two

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.216
what cash flow collections improvements

00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:12.216
regarding parking infringements is under

00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:14.216
consideration the upcoming budget

00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:16.696
forecast $20.9 million in parking

00:36:16.720 --> 00:36:19.016
infringements and an allowance of

00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:21.095
impairment losses on parking

00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.119
infringements at 3.3 million That's

00:36:24.359 --> 00:36:27.359
15.79% foregone revenue Question three A

00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:31.856
What operational practices exist

00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.776
regarding resource pooling asset sharing

00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.616
and shared expense arrangements with

00:36:36.640 --> 00:36:38.776
other councils to improve financial and

00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.256
operational efficiency and B can you

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.280
indicate a dollar value question four

00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.536
What limits our ability to rethink the

00:36:46.560 --> 00:36:48.536
hble public seat asset as a

00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:50.776
multifaceted instrent offering strong

00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.416
social and financial payback Aiding

00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.440
solutions to aiding aiding solutions to

00:36:57.359 --> 00:36:59.896
loneliness local branding high street

00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.920
and beyond Vibrancy exercise safety and

00:37:04.640 --> 00:37:07.640
as a signature tourist draw card A

00:37:07.839 --> 00:37:10.055
series of imaginative public seating

00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.856
across theme precincts will play

00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.815
increased dividends to this asset class

00:37:15.839 --> 00:37:17.976
on council's balance sheet Councilors

00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.000
per governance rule 51.7 ask me any

00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.896
clarifying questions

00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:25.575
some councils may take up your questions

00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:28.599
then as we get to the item all right

00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:30.776
 I believe we're going online now

00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.800
Diane Tulson are you with us

00:37:35.839 --> 00:37:37.575
is Diane can you I don't know if you

00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.016
press have to press on unmute I'm not

00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:41.856
quite the tech at your

00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.880
end Are we Ah now we can hear you Thank

00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:48.200
you welcome Yes Thank you  Diane

00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:50.536
Tilson executive director of theater

00:37:50.560 --> 00:37:53.416
Works in St Kilda  good evening

00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.440
councilors and staff I want to begin by

00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.016
warmly welcoming this proposal to rep

00:37:59.040 --> 00:38:00.256
prioritize

00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.280
$450,000 from the St Kilda Festival

00:38:03.359 --> 00:38:05.736
towards broader investment in local arts

00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:06.656
and

00:38:06.680 --> 00:38:09.456
events This is a timely and visionary

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.480
move recognizing the essential role the

00:38:12.560 --> 00:38:14.696
arts play in building a vibrant

00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:17.720
resilient and inclusive community It's

00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.136
encouraging to see this renewed

00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:22.536
commitment from council driven by both

00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:24.856
long-standing champions of the arts and

00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:27.575
fresh perspectives working together to

00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.599
rep priorit rep prioritize what matters

00:38:30.680 --> 00:38:33.680
most As you consider how this funding is

00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.960
distributed I urge you to ensure it is

00:38:37.040 --> 00:38:40.040
done equitably Currently only two arts

00:38:40.359 --> 00:38:42.616
organizations in our city receive

00:38:42.640 --> 00:38:45.256
substantial ongoing support Meanwhile

00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.656
the broader ecosystem including the

00:38:47.680 --> 00:38:50.216
eight key arts organizations that bring

00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:52.936
yearround cultural vibrancy had their

00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.176
funding reduced this year and the

00:38:55.200 --> 00:38:58.200
project funding funding pool for 2025

00:38:59.200 --> 00:39:02.200
was cut from $180,000 to

00:39:02.359 --> 00:39:05.359
$120,000 This has a real impact

00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:06.815
theaterworks is one of those

00:39:06.839 --> 00:39:09.839
organizations In 2024 we presented over

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.480
50 productions supported 558 artists

00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.736
welcomed three

00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:19.760
34,947 audience members and provided

00:39:19.839 --> 00:39:21.896
free venue access and development

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.920
support to emerging creatives we deliver

00:39:25.359 --> 00:39:27.896
programs that are inclusive artistled

00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.920
and deeply connected to our

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.815
community and importantly we drive local

00:39:33.839 --> 00:39:36.839
economic activity Audiences attend our

00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.960
shows spend locally at restaurants bars

00:39:40.359 --> 00:39:43.359
hotels and we employ local technicians

00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.296
designers and suppliers When you invest

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.536
in the arts you're not only supporting

00:39:48.560 --> 00:39:50.296
artists you're supporting small

00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.320
businesses tourism and local jobs An

00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.976
equitable investment in notfor-profit

00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.536
arts organizations delivers wide

00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:01.560
reaching return socially economically

00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.496
and culturally

00:40:03.520 --> 00:40:05.496
Thank you for your leadership and for

00:40:05.520 --> 00:40:07.736
recognizing the vital contribution the

00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.575
arts make to the future of the city of

00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.599
Port Phillip and its community

00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.280
Thank you and then Justine

00:40:16.520 --> 00:40:19.520
Sles Hi Justine  you know the drill

00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.656
now and you've got two and a half

00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:23.736
minutes Thank you Hi Thanks mayor and

00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.760
counselors Justine Sles from Ripen 

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.136
this is really following on from the

00:40:30.160 --> 00:40:32.696
comments around theater works  I

00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:35.720
commend council on the

00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.776
250,000k allocation to address isolation

00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.800
and loneliness As  as a  arts worker

00:40:43.520 --> 00:40:45.656
community worker and somebody who's

00:40:45.680 --> 00:40:47.496
researched and written a lot about

00:40:47.520 --> 00:40:50.520
loneliness it's fabulous to see  I see

00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:52.976
that

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.736
450,000 been taken from St Kilda

00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.136
Festival I'm personally not a fan of

00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:01.160
large festivals  and I see and I ask

00:41:02.640 --> 00:41:05.640
council that  that that

00:41:06.359 --> 00:41:09.359
450k be  distributed to localized

00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:14.640
activations like voices of the southside

00:41:15.359 --> 00:41:17.496
 and link it with the loneliness

00:41:17.520 --> 00:41:20.520
strategy giving voice to the voiceless

00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.856
 and ways to connect

00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:26.536
 you know with other organizations

00:41:26.560 --> 00:41:29.560
like spark and raw and raw house

00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.599
 yeah I would like to see the 450

00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.400
that's been taken from St Kilda Festival

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.815
link it with loneliness and isolation

00:41:39.839 --> 00:41:42.839
strategy in arts outcomes at a localized

00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.119
level through community centers and

00:41:48.240 --> 00:41:50.575
existing arts

00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.856
organizations It's a statement rather

00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.295
than a question Yeah No thank you very

00:41:54.319 --> 00:41:56.335
much we appreciate it Thanks for the

00:41:56.359 --> 00:41:58.295
opportunity

00:41:58.319 --> 00:42:00.256
all right

00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.616
 sorry I'm getting my right pages

00:42:02.640 --> 00:42:05.055
Thank you very much we are moving on

00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.079
to councelor question time councilors so

00:42:08.319 --> 00:42:09.496
do you have any questions which are

00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:11.016
separate to any of the items we're going

00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:13.736
to discuss tonight councelor Min Yeah

00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.216
I'd like to just ask a question While it

00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:18.136
was in relation to that agenda item was

00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:19.656
actually quite separate this is in

00:42:19.680 --> 00:42:22.680
relation to the projector and VHS

00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.896
 would our quick response grants be a

00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.776
potential avenue for funding like those

00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.800
initiatives  Kylie  through through

00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.696
you mayor  thank you for the question

00:42:34.720 --> 00:42:36.616
counselor and thank you Vicki for the

00:42:36.640 --> 00:42:39.640
great service you provide to  your

00:42:40.240 --> 00:42:42.376
local community  we'd certainly like

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.376
to reach out to you Vicki and look at

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.400
what opportunities might be in place 

00:42:47.680 --> 00:42:50.680
it might be a a quick response grant or

00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.416
there might be another solution so 

00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:55.496
I'll talk with governance and get some

00:42:55.520 --> 00:42:58.520
details and be in contact with you

00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.055
Any other questions councelor Halliday

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.656
 thank you Mayor Just on that last

00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:05.575
point if we can't find a grant can we

00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.136
please  hear back about ways that we

00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:11.160
can  alter our grants program 

00:43:12.319 --> 00:43:14.936
eligibility so that these sorts of small

00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.176
community building grants can be

00:43:17.200 --> 00:43:19.616
accommodated within those existing

00:43:19.640 --> 00:43:22.640
programs or or suitable other community

00:43:23.040 --> 00:43:25.976
grants that we can point people to kylie

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.696
through you Mayor  yes of course 

00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:31.016
and it it's timely we're currently doing

00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:34.040
a review of the community  grants that

00:43:34.560 --> 00:43:36.896
council has the streams but also the

00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.736
eligibility requirements so it's  it's

00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:41.815
good timing  and that'll come to

00:43:41.839 --> 00:43:44.616
council later in the year

00:43:44.640 --> 00:43:46.776
Any other councelor questions councelor

00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.936
Oh hang on the CEO Just before we get to

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.960
you Council Tan we through May we have

00:43:52.319 --> 00:43:53.815
also and this may not be the appropriate

00:43:53.839 --> 00:43:56.616
thing at this particular time but 

00:43:56.640 --> 00:43:58.055
other options that we could look at we

00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.575
have been considering this concept

00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.456
around libraries of things and so we

00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.776
might be able to purchase some of these

00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.800
items and you know  lend them out for

00:44:08.240 --> 00:44:10.616
free to to relevant groups from time to

00:44:10.640 --> 00:44:12.696
time which might help us work around

00:44:12.720 --> 00:44:14.616
some of those property and other

00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:17.640
governance requirements around grants

00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.575
That sounds like a good solution 

00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:21.736
councelor Tomman before going to my

00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.256
question is that we in my time at

00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.856
council there used to be small grants

00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.880
like that that  I think was $3,000 per

00:44:28.720 --> 00:44:31.656
ward per counselor  and that would be

00:44:31.680 --> 00:44:33.656
awarded for small items like that but

00:44:33.680 --> 00:44:35.575
obviously doesn't exist anymore is there

00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.176
a question or was that was the state no

00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:38.936
no that was just that was just a

00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.776
solution for items we're looking for

00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.776
questions right now but you know all

00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.016
done properly there was never anything

00:44:45.040 --> 00:44:47.815
 you know corrupt but now my question

00:44:47.839 --> 00:44:50.776
is   I'd like to ask you know

00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.256
obviously the the round table and the

00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.496
community safety is a big issue in the

00:44:55.520 --> 00:44:58.520
city and there's still lots of talks 

00:44:59.359 --> 00:45:01.656
so we know I just want to ask if you

00:45:01.680 --> 00:45:04.680
know where we stand today  on that 

00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.599
on that big program that  you know

00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.880
we've embarked on  Brian T  thank

00:45:13.040 --> 00:45:15.335
you and through you may  yes I can

00:45:15.359 --> 00:45:17.496
confirm the roundt was held on the 19th

00:45:17.520 --> 00:45:20.520
of March we had some  20 service 

00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.335
community service providers  attended

00:45:23.359 --> 00:45:25.815
and they subsequently have provided 

00:45:25.839 --> 00:45:28.776
submissions to the independent chair 

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.496
Ian Gray who's currently writing  his

00:45:31.520 --> 00:45:34.295
report I I could say too that the

00:45:34.319 --> 00:45:36.696
feedback we've received from not just

00:45:36.720 --> 00:45:38.936
police but from service providers is

00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.016
that that we've seen an increased level

00:45:41.040 --> 00:45:44.040
of collaboration amongst those services

00:45:44.319 --> 00:45:46.696
and in in some views an increased

00:45:46.720 --> 00:45:49.016
delivery of services whether it's drug

00:45:49.040 --> 00:45:51.896
and alcohol mental health or housing 

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.136
which is important  not just for the

00:45:54.160 --> 00:45:57.016
vulnerable individuals  but also for

00:45:57.040 --> 00:45:59.815
the community if people are receiving

00:45:59.839 --> 00:46:02.776
the support they need  the next step

00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.095
will be the release of that Ian Grace

00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:06.936
report for community engagement at a

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.736
meeting in a council meeting in May 

00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.760
and that  will be part of the council

00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.776
consideration of its community safety

00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.256
plan  which will allow the community

00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.976
to have input into  what it is that

00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.216
council  the role that council can

00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:24.936
play in terms of making   in terms

00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.656
of community safety  and that 

00:46:27.680 --> 00:46:29.496
community feedback will be received by

00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:32.295
council later this year

00:46:32.319 --> 00:46:35.095
Any further council councel Holidayiday

00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.936
 thank you ma'am Just following up on

00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.656
the iscon Temple Can I or does that

00:46:39.680 --> 00:46:40.776
that's that's an item we're going to

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.376
consider separately This is separate

00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.400
sorry I've got questions too Are there

00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:46.335
any

00:46:46.359 --> 00:46:49.216
other separate items to be

00:46:49.240 --> 00:46:51.656
No all right councilors we don't have

00:46:51.680 --> 00:46:54.376
any ceiling items tonight so we'll move

00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:56.216
on to petitions and joint letters we're

00:46:56.240 --> 00:46:57.976
almost there so we do have one petition

00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.136
tonight which as we heard from the 7.1

00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:01.496
which is the petition to keep Albert

00:47:01.520 --> 00:47:03.416
Park peaceful and relocate this

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:04.936
commercial activity to an industrial

00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.095
area so councilors I just wanted to

00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:08.616
check something I did flag something

00:47:08.640 --> 00:47:11.640
with the officers  before you get into

00:47:11.839 --> 00:47:14.055
it given this is coming to a planning

00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:15.976
meeting for us to make a decision I'm

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.936
concerned about any suggested amendments

00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.960
that have been distributed which may 

00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.896
null and void any decision we make in

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:25.335
the chambers so I guess I'm just seeking

00:47:25.359 --> 00:47:27.335
advice on that before we even consider

00:47:27.359 --> 00:47:30.359
anything else

00:47:31.359 --> 00:47:34.359
 through you may  quickly looking

00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.736
through that if councilors were of mind

00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.055
to make to agree to some of the

00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.079
amendments proposed by the petitioners I

00:47:43.680 --> 00:47:46.136
think there's no real issue with item

00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:47.896
two which is note the request to

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.736
facilitate the relocation of the kitchen

00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.815
It's just a note the request I think

00:47:51.839 --> 00:47:52.656
it's

00:47:52.680 --> 00:47:55.680
fine  in terms of three I think from

00:47:57.839 --> 00:47:59.815
our perspective the appropriate thing to

00:47:59.839 --> 00:48:02.776
do if councils were of a mind

00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:04.856
 for officers to work with state

00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.696
stakeholders to identify an alternative

00:48:06.720 --> 00:48:09.496
site for the kitchen Obviously there's a

00:48:09.520 --> 00:48:10.856
there's a process that we're working

00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.880
through to determine our position on

00:48:14.319 --> 00:48:16.456
that anyway  which we're spending a

00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.616
fair bit of time and effort on and there

00:48:18.640 --> 00:48:21.640
will be  other other potential avenues

00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.280
 pending the outcome of that  if

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:29.976
councils were of a mind for us to do

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.656
that work at the same time I think the f

00:48:31.680 --> 00:48:33.496
the most appropriate thing would be to

00:48:33.520 --> 00:48:35.376
request a report from

00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.896
officers regarding the resourcing and

00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.856
other considerations that would be

00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:42.456
required to identify an alternative site

00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.496
with stakeholders for the

00:48:44.520 --> 00:48:46.575
kitchen

00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.599
 if the point 4 that was

00:48:50.839 --> 00:48:53.055
raised I

00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.079
think I think  the the planning team

00:48:57.200 --> 00:48:58.575
would feel more

00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.095
comfortable we are certainly examining

00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.896
very hard this  concept of the

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.456
existing use right claim and the

00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.055
concerns around the commerciality and

00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:09.976
scale of the kitchen

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.696
I think from a planning perspective we'd

00:49:12.720 --> 00:49:14.696
advise not including the word the

00:49:14.720 --> 00:49:17.016
legality of iscon's existing use right

00:49:17.040 --> 00:49:19.736
and just notes that iscon's existing use

00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:21.736
right claim is being considered the rest

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.216
of that is then

00:49:23.240 --> 00:49:26.240
fine and item five  provides

00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:28.456
petitioners with advanced notice of the

00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:29.815
council meeting and an opportunity to

00:49:29.839 --> 00:49:32.295
make submissions we just say we just add

00:49:32.319 --> 00:49:34.535
wording to as per our usual meeting

00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.416
procedures just to make sure that's not

00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.335
seen as operating outside those normal

00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:41.856
planning matters and

00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:43.815
protocols Okay I just wanted to get that

00:49:43.839 --> 00:49:45.736
on the table because there are  some

00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.760
concerns all right Councelor Holidayiday

00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.496
Councelor Consol I just want to clarify

00:49:53.520 --> 00:49:55.176
what your suggestion in sec Can it be

00:49:55.200 --> 00:49:58.136
circulated first so I can read it but 

00:49:58.160 --> 00:50:01.160
second is it almost sounds that if we

00:50:02.240 --> 00:50:04.376
don't necessarily what if we didn't want

00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.256
this to go away but we also acknowledge

00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:08.696
that that whole of the process is

00:50:08.720 --> 00:50:10.535
happening so if there's a wording that

00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:13.559
could be should that process have a

00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.656
certain outcome I don't know I think

00:50:16.680 --> 00:50:19.656
that we don't just because the response

00:50:19.680 --> 00:50:21.456
to the

00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.480
petition the timing is probably off It's

00:50:24.720 --> 00:50:27.720
it's ahead of the decision but I also

00:50:27.839 --> 00:50:30.216
would like to understand a little bit

00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:33.240
more about it

00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.136
It's that's was my concern just is that

00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:37.976
we're preempting any decision we've made

00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.000
so maybe this is a a comeback

00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:45.896
Yeah Through you I've only scribbled

00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.136
really hard notes to the side here

00:50:48.160 --> 00:50:50.376
quickly so I think part of it would be

00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.055
getting a sense from councils where

00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.079
where you're heading with this But my I

00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:56.095
think the

00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.136
recommendation from me would be more

00:50:58.160 --> 00:51:00.295
around if you are of an interest in

00:51:00.319 --> 00:51:02.055
examining it further would the next step

00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:03.976
would be get a report back from

00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.376
counselors on the the feasibility or the

00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.496
considerations including

00:51:08.520 --> 00:51:11.520
resourcing around that   I don't

00:51:12.319 --> 00:51:13.216
think that

00:51:13.240 --> 00:51:15.736
preempts the other decision-m process

00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.216
that we're going through

00:51:18.240 --> 00:51:20.376
See I would I my question though is if

00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:21.976
we're asking about that we have already

00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:23.335
decided that we think that's a good idea

00:51:23.359 --> 00:51:24.856
and we're not going to go into the

00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:26.936
chambers with a open neutral mind and

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:28.456
that is very problematic on a legal

00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.736
sense

00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.016
I I think that's something for you to

00:51:33.040 --> 00:51:36.040
consider I think we could you know our

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:37.896
preference is that we go through the

00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.815
existing process That's why our office's

00:51:39.839 --> 00:51:41.496
recommendation is there we understand

00:51:41.520 --> 00:51:42.936
the community's concern and there might

00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.960
be interest  depending that outcome of

00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.095
exploring other

00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.119
options  but I think yeah if we get a

00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.055
sense from councils of where you're

00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.736
where you're leaning then we can work

00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.295
with some wording if you need to

00:51:58.319 --> 00:51:59.736
Councelor Holidayiday did you want to

00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:01.896
follow up on that

00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.920
okay I on the I think  the residents

00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.599
for the  for the proposed amendments I

00:52:11.359 --> 00:52:14.359
I think that they are superfluous at the

00:52:14.640 --> 00:52:16.936
moment I think  while they might

00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.176
reflect some of your immediate needs I

00:52:19.200 --> 00:52:22.200
don't think they substantively change 

00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.016
what is there so I don't see the need to

00:52:25.040 --> 00:52:28.040
amend  the mot the recommendation at

00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:31.240
the moment so is there a question

00:52:31.839 --> 00:52:34.456
can I I thought okay sorry it's more a

00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.856
question is that not again okay council

00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.055
man let's get back to the questioning

00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.016
phase what when are we anticipate

00:52:41.040 --> 00:52:43.575
anticipating for the use right to be

00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.599
dealt with  in a planning committee do

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.800
we have a sense of when Paul when the

00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.920
that will be considered

00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:55.776
thank you mayor 

00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.800
the decision is scheduled to come to the

00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.016
June ordinary council meeting rather

00:53:01.040 --> 00:53:02.295
than a planning committee meeting there

00:53:02.319 --> 00:53:04.456
is no committee meeting scheduled for

00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.535
June so the planning comm  the

00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.559
ordinary council meeting Okay Are there

00:53:09.680 --> 00:53:12.295
any other questions of the officers

00:53:12.319 --> 00:53:15.016
councelor  Hardy

00:53:15.040 --> 00:53:17.416
 through you madame mayor to the CFO

00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.216
If a report is called for and is

00:53:20.240 --> 00:53:23.240
received are we able to vote on these

00:53:23.680 --> 00:53:26.680
recommendations from that report

00:53:30.160 --> 00:53:32.936
yeah Council M suggested I think we need

00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.656
no one's shown any sign of doing this

00:53:35.680 --> 00:53:37.176
before the meeting so we probably need

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:38.456
to take five minutes to have this

00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.216
discussion because it's actually a whole

00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:41.896
procedural and challenging around

00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:43.736
governance and the rules so I'm going to

00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.216
call 5m minute  break we'll come back

00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:48.295
in about 5 minutes because we as a

00:53:48.319 --> 00:53:49.896
council did not do any of this thinking

00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.920
beforehand so come come together

00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.376
Okay so  we're back to the point in

00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.400
the  process Are there any questions

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:03.496
separate to the amendments just general

00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:06.456
questions Councelor Holidayiday

00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.480
Thank you Mayor  the the as of rights

00:54:10.720 --> 00:54:13.720
use such as they are now not to 

00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.256
contaminate any other

00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.280
deliberations What exactly are the as of

00:54:19.520 --> 00:54:21.815
right uses under which they are

00:54:21.839 --> 00:54:24.696
operating at this stage

00:54:24.720 --> 00:54:27.720
paul would

00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.256
Thank you and through you mayor  the

00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.280
existing use right claim is broad 

00:54:34.720 --> 00:54:37.720
that they're seeking from council  it

00:54:37.839 --> 00:54:40.839
includes the  place of worship aspects

00:54:42.160 --> 00:54:44.936
 it includes accommodation It includes

00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.496
 use of the kitchen  for the ser

00:54:47.520 --> 00:54:49.016
preparation of meals on and off the

00:54:49.040 --> 00:54:51.176
premises It includes weddings and

00:54:51.200 --> 00:54:52.696
festivities

00:54:52.720 --> 00:54:55.720
 and   that they're the broad

00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.696
aspects of  and the administration of

00:54:58.720 --> 00:55:01.335
of the Hari Krishna  temple activities

00:55:01.359 --> 00:55:04.136
as well  so we're working through the

00:55:04.160 --> 00:55:06.616
process and the process is one of

00:55:06.640 --> 00:55:09.575
examining evidence  for a period of

00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.896
time That period of time  is a period

00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.920
of 15 years  and  in some respects

00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.616
the intensity does not come into play

00:55:18.640 --> 00:55:20.736
around whether

00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.760
 that existing use right  has been

00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.960
in existence for a period of time  so

00:55:28.160 --> 00:55:31.095
we will finish our examination of facts

00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.736
 we'll present a report in June with a

00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:35.815
recommendation on the facts and ask you

00:55:35.839 --> 00:55:38.839
to consider whether that's  the best

00:55:40.160 --> 00:55:42.295
reflection of the facts that you

00:55:42.319 --> 00:55:45.319
consider as well Okay  councelor

00:55:46.319 --> 00:55:48.775
Consol and I do see councelor Jay will

00:55:48.799 --> 00:55:51.575
come to you in a moment Thanks I heard

00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.896
the use of commercial industrial

00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:55.496
kitchens and also want to throw in the

00:55:55.520 --> 00:55:58.520
dark kitchen concept Are there different

00:55:58.720 --> 00:56:01.720
 definitions to these and planning use

00:56:02.319 --> 00:56:04.696
requirements and if so what is the one

00:56:04.720 --> 00:56:07.720
that's currently being operated

00:56:09.160 --> 00:56:11.736
paul thank you councel consol and

00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.616
through you may  the consideration of

00:56:14.640 --> 00:56:16.295
an existing use rights matter is

00:56:16.319 --> 00:56:18.295
slightly different to ordinary

00:56:18.319 --> 00:56:20.535
definitions within planning  so we

00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.936
have to look at the real and substantive

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.496
 purpose of the use that is occurring

00:56:25.520 --> 00:56:28.520
 so that  real and substantive use

00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.256
being put to us is for the preparation

00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.335
of a kitchen to for the preparation of

00:56:33.359 --> 00:56:35.976
meals for  consption on and off the

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.736
premises  for sale on and off the

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.216
premises so it doesn't go to commercial

00:56:40.240 --> 00:56:42.456
a commercial nature It doesn't go to 

00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.295
any form of definition other than there

00:56:44.319 --> 00:56:46.535
is a kitchen there preparing  meals

00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.856
for consption on and off the premises

00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.880
Councelor J

00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:54.775
sorry you've just put your hand down

00:56:54.799 --> 00:56:56.775
Councilors are there any other questions

00:56:56.799 --> 00:56:59.799
councelor Thomann

00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:02.880
 is the temple considered as a church

00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.295
or religious place and other

00:57:06.319 --> 00:57:09.095
consideration different for

00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.815
 you know if it's a church whatever is

00:57:11.839 --> 00:57:13.896
you know obviously one of the purpose of

00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.055
church is if give out meals and things

00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.079
so is are they consideration that are

00:57:19.200 --> 00:57:21.896
relevant to being a place of worship and

00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.920
a and a church to be considered

00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:28.599
 thank you council man through you

00:57:28.799 --> 00:57:31.799
mayor  it's a  if we look at the

00:57:32.319 --> 00:57:33.976
planning scheme definition of a place of

00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.976
worship it incorporates all of the

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.000
different religious  types of uses 

00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:42.535
so it would include a temple   as it

00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:43.976
would include a church and a mosque

00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.055
synagogue and all the different aspects

00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.535
and then aspects of  the ordinary

00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.559
things  within that religion  

00:57:51.839 --> 00:57:54.775
that  occur ordinarily as part of that

00:57:54.799 --> 00:57:57.799
religion on the premises

00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.376
 councelor Consol thank you I know

00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:01.736
that you said earlier that this will

00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:03.815
come to us in the June ordinary meeting

00:58:03.839 --> 00:58:05.335
but  I believe it's on the back of

00:58:05.359 --> 00:58:07.896
Marx's question about how what kind of

00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:08.896
happens after

00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:11.920
that what to expect

00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.079
if you know Paul  thank you councelor

00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.256
Consol 

00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:21.280
 so  once we have determined what

00:58:22.640 --> 00:58:25.095
facts we have we will consider whether

00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.575
we can issue a certificate of compliance

00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:29.775
 which is a legal process  that's

00:58:29.799 --> 00:58:32.799
legislated    if the uses are 

00:58:36.240 --> 00:58:38.936
aren't demonstrated to be  matters

00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.416
that fall within that use then  a

00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.176
planning permit would otherwise be

00:58:43.200 --> 00:58:45.736
required at that stage for those uses 

00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.335
and that would give us an opportunity

00:58:47.359 --> 00:58:49.416
then to clearly take enforcement action

00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.815
based on  a set of known facts But

00:58:51.839 --> 00:58:53.656
there would be a review opportunity 

00:58:53.680 --> 00:58:56.680
for the temple before that stage  to

00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:58.055
question whether that's the right

00:58:58.079 --> 00:58:59.575
decision and that's a a path through

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:01.656
VCAP I'm not sure if that answers the

00:59:01.680 --> 00:59:03.335
question Correct That's helpful Thank

00:59:03.359 --> 00:59:06.359
you Council Holiday

00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.760
 have we engaged with the temple about

00:59:13.520 --> 00:59:16.520
the use or relocation or

00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.280
 you know facilitating relocation of

00:59:20.799 --> 00:59:23.799
this site

00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:33.119
Paul i think I I I'll defer to Brian Te

00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.599
for this one  thank you and through

00:59:36.640 --> 00:59:38.295
you may we have had a number of

00:59:38.319 --> 00:59:41.319
discussions with the temple and about

00:59:41.799 --> 00:59:44.799
ameliating the amenity impacts  of

00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.496
those activi of their activities and

00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:50.520
some of which we've  captured in the

00:59:50.799 --> 00:59:53.799
submission we haven't  including the

00:59:54.240 --> 00:59:56.696
use of premises

00:59:56.720 --> 00:59:59.016
 of other existing premises that the

00:59:59.040 --> 01:00:01.976
temple has access to  specifically in

01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:04.535
rel in in in relation to the relocation

01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.559
of the kitchen No we have not

01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:11.176
Okay Any other questions council timan

01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:14.200
or you yes so obviously this is a bit

01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.760
complex I asse that we we have engaged

01:00:18.319 --> 01:00:21.095
 with lawyers to get obviously a

01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.119
robust   robust advice that is kind

01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.880
of that will confirm one way or another

01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:29.335
which way we're going to go when the

01:00:29.359 --> 01:00:32.216
planning application will come to us I

01:00:32.240 --> 01:00:34.535
don't think we can ask that yet

01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.856
councelor tonight works to I think

01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:38.616
asking if you engage lawyers for robust

01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:41.496
advice so I suppose that's something we

01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:44.295
we can answer well I don't think that's

01:00:44.319 --> 01:00:47.319
a question we can ask of officers

01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.456
through you mayor Look

01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.055
I as a point of course officers will

01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.936
engage legal advice as required  I'm

01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.496
not going to talk about specific matters

01:00:57.520 --> 01:00:58.936
tonight particularly one that is coming

01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.960
to council through a proper process

01:01:02.359 --> 01:01:05.359
shortly  and I just urge councilors to

01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:07.976
keep the focus tonight on the

01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:11.000
substantive item around the petition 

01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:14.200
and have caution about erring into

01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:17.256
further discussion around the separate

01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:18.775
process that we're currently running so

01:01:18.799 --> 01:01:20.616
that we don't inadvertently compromise

01:01:20.640 --> 01:01:23.256
that

01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.280
Okay  councelor Jay

01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:30.376
 I mean a question for Paul but you

01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.016
can let me know if Yeah you can let me

01:01:33.040 --> 01:01:35.736
know  if if this was a commercial

01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.216
organization would they need specific

01:01:38.240 --> 01:01:41.240
permits to  produce this vole of

01:01:41.520 --> 01:01:44.055
meals or operate in these hours with

01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.216
these festivals

01:01:46.240 --> 01:01:49.240
 Paul  thank thank you councel J and

01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:50.416
through you

01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:53.176
may the facts would still be the same so

01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:56.200
if a commercial    organization

01:01:56.720 --> 01:01:59.720
was running   the premises and

01:02:00.240 --> 01:02:02.376
they'd been there for 50 years  we'd

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.775
be examining their evidence of whether

01:02:04.799 --> 01:02:07.416
their existing use rights allowed them

01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.136
to continue

01:02:10.160 --> 01:02:13.160
Councelor Hardy did you have a question

01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.280
is  taking into account iscon's

01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:20.880
previous efforts at consultation could

01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:23.656
this paragraph of working with

01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:25.815
stakeholders to identify an alter

01:02:25.839 --> 01:02:27.416
alternative site for the kitchen could

01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.896
this be used as another delaying tactic

01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.920
by iskcon

01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:37.176
is that something I I feel like we're

01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:39.256
going I'm not sure is that appropriate

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:41.016
to answer It's really that's a statement

01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:43.335
rather than a question

01:02:43.359 --> 01:02:46.359
I don't think I have the  ability or

01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:49.815
to answer that on behalf of iscon  and

01:02:49.839 --> 01:02:51.575
their intention Yeah I think we have to

01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:53.095
be really careful here counselors again

01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.575
we might kick back to  I think we

01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:57.256
might have asked the questions I I feel

01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:58.535
like we've asked the questions we need

01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.535
to to make a decision in regards to so

01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.376
do I have someone who's willing to move

01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.416
the office's recommendation or something

01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.535
different i'm happy to councelor

01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:07.976
Holidayiday to move it and I'll second

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:09.136
it

01:03:09.160 --> 01:03:11.416
Okay all right Councelor Holidayiday

01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:13.016
would you like to speak to the to the

01:03:13.040 --> 01:03:15.335
motion

01:03:15.359 --> 01:03:17.896
 once again as I mentioned I thank the

01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:20.136
petitioners here  for your time and

01:03:20.160 --> 01:03:22.936
effort you've put into this  I think

01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:24.015
 we

01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.039
we  are very committed to working our

01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.256
way through this process at the moment

01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:32.775
and I think that the officer's

01:03:32.799 --> 01:03:35.799
recommendation here   is

01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.456
 you know is  the way forward for us

01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:42.696
I don't think that there's anything sub

01:03:42.720 --> 01:03:44.456
substantive that we need to change in it

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.856
at this stage  and we will wait for

01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.880
the  for the next step in this process

01:03:52.160 --> 01:03:54.216
 yes thank you and I do understand

01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:55.896
your frustrations I just feel that the

01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:57.496
timing of this is ahead of the decision

01:03:57.520 --> 01:03:59.656
we have to make which is very difficult

01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:01.496
I also think that there is no point

01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:03.095
facilitating something when someone

01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:04.535
doesn't want to move and I think that's

01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.055
the problem that you're all facing and I

01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.055
don't want to give you false hope so I

01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:09.815
need to  in good governance I need to

01:04:09.839 --> 01:04:11.256
go through the process and have all the

01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:13.256
information before me and not and and

01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:14.936
not jp the gun But I do acknowledge I

01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:16.976
understand how hard it is for

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.496
you council does anyone else like to

01:04:19.520 --> 01:04:21.736
speak to the motion or against the

01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.760
motion councelor Hardy

01:04:26.240 --> 01:04:29.240
the council's had  a lot of  strong

01:04:29.520 --> 01:04:31.815
focus efforts and I commend the council

01:04:31.839 --> 01:04:33.656
officers in relation to the efforts that

01:04:33.680 --> 01:04:35.936
they have put into this issue that's

01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.960
concerning myself and  petitioners I

01:04:40.720 --> 01:04:42.136
don't really want to jeopardize those

01:04:42.160 --> 01:04:43.976
efforts and create any legal loopholes

01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.696
we may open and of course give Exxon any

01:04:46.720 --> 01:04:49.720
more excuses to delay this matter so as

01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.256
my fellow counselor has said I will wait

01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.280
for the next step to see may give us the

01:04:56.640 --> 01:04:59.640
opportunity to  implement those

01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.079
recommendations by the petitioners

01:05:03.839 --> 01:05:05.416
Any other council wish to speak to the

01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.976
motion councelor Consol Thank you I echo

01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:09.176
a lot of that that I don't want to

01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:11.416
compromise what's already underway but I

01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.736
think I want to thank you for bringing a

01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.456
solution that would try to help this and

01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.216
that's a good discussion point I know

01:05:18.240 --> 01:05:20.256
that it's at this point this is your

01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.256
recommendation  but with the timing I

01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:24.856
think it's really important to see out

01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:26.856
what's underway because it's a really

01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.335
important process but thank you very

01:05:29.359 --> 01:05:31.256
much and I I know that this has been

01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:33.656
many years of working with council on it

01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:35.976
Thank you

01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.416
Anyone else need to speak to the

01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:41.440
item council Holiday No Let's put that

01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.815
to the vote all those in

01:05:44.839 --> 01:05:47.839
favor is that a hand up all those

01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:51.920
against and that is carried unanimously

01:05:57.520 --> 01:05:59.256
Maybe it's not hanity It's passed

01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.095
Thank you

01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:04.119
May I call for a division please i think

01:06:04.240 --> 01:06:07.240
it was unanimous Was Was it i didn't Oh

01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:10.295
it was against Okay all right so we're

01:06:10.319 --> 01:06:11.256
going to we're going to go with the

01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:13.976
division everyone so all those  in

01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:15.896
favor councelor Buckingham councelor

01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:17.575
Consol councelor Holidayiday councelor

01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:19.496
Hardy councelor Crawford councelor Min

01:06:19.520 --> 01:06:22.295
councelor Mes councelor Tomman and is

01:06:22.319 --> 01:06:24.936
there a hand i can't see there is a hand

01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.616
counselor  Jay Thank

01:06:27.640 --> 01:06:30.640
you all right  we took five minutes

01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:32.856
just before so I might just get through

01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:34.295
one or two items if that's all right

01:06:34.319 --> 01:06:36.376
Counselors  please feel free if you

01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:38.295
need to leave I understand  don't feel

01:06:38.319 --> 01:06:41.319
like you have to hang around  so

01:06:41.520 --> 01:06:44.520
councilors we will move on to 8 to 13

01:06:44.640 --> 01:06:46.055
which is the presentation of reports

01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.079
Thank you for your time tonight  so

01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:51.176
let's start with 8.1 which is the

01:06:51.200 --> 01:06:53.896
presentation of a CEO report issue 116

01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:55.616
which is February

01:06:55.640 --> 01:06:57.815
2025 Councilors do we have any questions

01:06:57.839 --> 01:07:00.839
of the officers yes we do Council Min 

01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.216
page 39 we look at visits to the library

01:07:04.240 --> 01:07:05.815
and we note that the door counter at

01:07:05.839 --> 01:07:08.535
Emerald Hill  at the Emerald Hill

01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.216
Library caused complications in terms of

01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:12.856
library the patronage count Just want to

01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.216
see how long that had been

01:07:15.240 --> 01:07:18.136
 malfunctioning for and whether it's

01:07:18.160 --> 01:07:21.095
fixed now through you may thank you for

01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.575
the question councelor Min  I'm

01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:26.535
advised that the door counter at Emerald

01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.936
Hill was inactive from the 6th of

01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:31.960
February 2025 to the 10th of March

01:07:33.240 --> 01:07:36.240
2025  officers estimate that there was

01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:39.176
likely to be a shortfall of about 4,000

01:07:39.200 --> 01:07:41.095
visits during that time that would have

01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:44.119
been counted  we are looking at

01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.559
replacing our  RFID system  in the

01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:50.616
next financial year and we're hopeful

01:07:50.640 --> 01:07:53.640
that this functionality  will alert us

01:07:54.160 --> 01:07:57.015
more quickly  if situations like this

01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.335
happen again is there a follow-up

01:07:59.359 --> 01:08:01.256
question

01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.176
i will ask your next question That's my

01:08:03.200 --> 01:08:06.200
next question Page 44 we look at the

01:08:06.640 --> 01:08:09.095
percentage of councelor attendance at

01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.119
council council meetings  this graph

01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.656
appears to indicate that there was 100%

01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:18.616
attendance of council laws back in

01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:20.775
January last year My understanding was

01:08:20.799 --> 01:08:23.799
there was no meetings in January 24 I

01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:25.896
guess my question here is can we make

01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:28.135
sure given that obviously this council

01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.376
did meet in January 25 Can we make sure

01:08:30.400 --> 01:08:32.456
that the representation is consistent

01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:34.856
between the two years who are we going

01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.255
to rob  Robin did you want to quickly

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:40.056
respond thank you councelor and through

01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:42.775
you mayor  officers had undertaken a

01:08:42.799 --> 01:08:45.096
review of the criteria for attendance at

01:08:45.120 --> 01:08:47.496
council meetings in line with the LGPRF

01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:49.496
data and need to update that in the

01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:51.735
future reports Yeah What do you mean i

01:08:51.759 --> 01:08:53.976
was here heather was here I'm joking

01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.456
Joking You're always here How was here

01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:58.616
all right Any other questions of the

01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:00.936
office councelor Holidayiday  thank

01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.960
you mayor  on page 24 we have a  

01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:06.616
reporting here on the number of fines

01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.775
issued related to animal management and

01:09:08.799 --> 01:09:10.456
there's a significant increase in the

01:09:10.480 --> 01:09:12.976
number of fines  in

01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.896
20245 this year compared to last year

01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:17.976
I'm just wondering what  what

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:19.056
triggered

01:09:19.080 --> 01:09:22.080
this increase Was it a change in  in

01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:26.319
our I don't know enforcement

01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.279
Oh Mont thank you Thank you councelor

01:09:31.040 --> 01:09:33.655
through you mayor In 2022 as part of the

01:09:33.679 --> 01:09:35.815
last domestic animal management plan we

01:09:35.839 --> 01:09:37.815
heard from our community that they had

01:09:37.839 --> 01:09:40.135
large concerns around dogs being off

01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:42.456
lead in on lean areas especially and

01:09:42.480 --> 01:09:44.536
requested more enforcement to ensure

01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:46.536
that these rules were being followed To

01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:48.215
respond to this an additional animal

01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.376
management staff member was employed in

01:09:50.400 --> 01:09:51.976
2324

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:53.896
 to assist with proactive and reactive

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.776
patrols that often lead to infringements

01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.016
 and registrations of animals also

01:09:59.040 --> 01:10:02.040
grew 31%  between 1819 and 2223 and

01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:05.336
have now stabilized at about 12 and a

01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:07.096
half thousand so those two things

01:10:07.120 --> 01:10:09.256
combined with an additional number of

01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:11.416
animals in our municipality and an

01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:13.016
additional number of staff per

01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:14.456
conducting those patrols has led to that

01:10:14.480 --> 01:10:17.175
increase we think

01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:19.416
so keep your dog on a leash is the moral

01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:20.856
of the story Do we have another question

01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:23.816
for officers

01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.616
if not can I just  count the question

01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.640
 on whatever page it is  I can't see

01:10:30.320 --> 01:10:33.320
it now  the report for the Inkman

01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:36.776
Street safety project indicates that it

01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:38.695
goes to Urong Road and as much as I

01:10:38.719 --> 01:10:40.776
would love it to go to Urong Road it

01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:42.936
only goes to Ham Street so unless we're

01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.960
going to change it  which I'm all for

01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:49.096
 we should probably correct that

01:10:49.120 --> 01:10:51.456
is CEO

01:10:51.480 --> 01:10:54.480
 think three mayor noted and thank you

01:10:54.719 --> 01:10:57.719
for picking that up

01:10:58.400 --> 01:11:01.400
 councelor Tom has got a question Yes

01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.296
Just like to note on my very topic the

01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:05.736
Sinclair triangle that we've only

01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:08.760
spent7,000 of the 67,000 for the project

01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:11.576
so for once you know it looks like we

01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:12.616
are saving a bit of money on the

01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:14.536
triangle

01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:16.536
again Was that a question or a comment

01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.560
for your for the motion all right Any

01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:22.695
other questions if not could I get a

01:11:22.719 --> 01:11:24.616
mover in a second council Min to move

01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:26.215
Council Tom would you like to second and

01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.239
repeat okay so councelor Min

01:11:30.480 --> 01:11:33.480
always  a great update from behalf of

01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:35.576
the council so I do thank you for the

01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.736
report and also that communication back

01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:40.760
to our community around key

01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.776
initiatives Councelor

01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:46.776
Tomman No Anyone else like to speak to

01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.416
the item if not let's put that to the

01:11:49.440 --> 01:11:52.440
vote all those in favor that is

01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:56.960
carried Okay Now the next item is the

01:11:57.280 --> 01:11:59.256
plan for Port Phillip No she's gone to

01:11:59.280 --> 01:12:02.280
the bathroom It's all good  we will we

01:12:02.480 --> 01:12:04.056
might take a 5m minute break now because

01:12:04.080 --> 01:12:05.175
we're going to have a big time of

01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:07.816
speaking and this is the moment so  if

01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:10.215
we could come back by 5 to 8 that would

01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:12.215
be brilliant everyone and we will get

01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:15.239
underway with the plan for Port Phillip

01:12:18.400 --> 01:12:19.736
 which is the draft budget for Port

01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.760
Phillip  and the

01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:25.175
budget so it's the draft plan for Port

01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:26.776
Phillip and the budget and this is the

01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:28.376
release for public consultation Now

01:12:28.400 --> 01:12:30.296
there will be an offic's amendment we'll

01:12:30.320 --> 01:12:32.376
put up and I'll just read out the two

01:12:32.400 --> 01:12:34.936
slight amendments so that we know what

01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:36.896
but it is nothing

01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:39.920
substantial  one of the  amendments

01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.000
is to clarify which was 3.9 which was

01:12:44.480 --> 01:12:46.175
Monday the

01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.199
23rd of of June for the adoption of the

01:12:49.440 --> 01:12:52.175
budget and then the second one was

01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:54.456
3.11.1 we've corrected the wording to

01:12:54.480 --> 01:12:57.480
the current council plan 2021 to

01:13:00.040 --> 01:13:02.536
2031 Okay Councilors do we have any

01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:04.456
questions for officers regarding the

01:13:04.480 --> 01:13:07.480
budget and plan for for pill for port

01:13:08.360 --> 01:13:10.376
Phillip were there people that wanted to

01:13:10.400 --> 01:13:11.695
ask some

01:13:11.719 --> 01:13:14.719
questions councelor Tamman

01:13:17.440 --> 01:13:19.576
cuz I'm a bit confused about when we can

01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:22.600
ask questions about what so  you just

01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:24.776
can't make comment that's in the that's

01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.800
in your so it's a question Yeah so so so

01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.920
my question is  you know obviously the

01:13:31.440 --> 01:13:34.376
 one of the delicate topic is always

01:13:34.400 --> 01:13:37.175
 rate and rate increase and so is that

01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:38.695
the right moment to ask a question about

01:13:38.719 --> 01:13:41.719
that okay so  and I know that  you

01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.695
know I haven't personally run  for the

01:13:44.719 --> 01:13:46.695
campaign to say that the rate should go

01:13:46.719 --> 01:13:49.719
up or should be reduced and I'm you know

01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:52.695
I've I've always run on the fact that we

01:13:52.719 --> 01:13:54.856
have to justify what we do and that we

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:57.256
have to do the best thing for the city

01:13:57.280 --> 01:13:59.096
the community and if that's a right

01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:01.736
increase  we should bear the rate

01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.760
increase so  in the budget there is

01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:07.496
we're going for to the allowed rent

01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.520
increase of 3% so can I ask   and I

01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.776
said we obviously have looked at 

01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:16.536
savings and other things but can I have

01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.560
some kind of justification about why the

01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:22.920
officers are recommending  3% rate

01:14:23.280 --> 01:14:26.280
increase in the budget for 2526

01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:29.560
 Peter Lou

01:14:33.040 --> 01:14:36.040
 through you may  rates increase is

01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:38.776
needed in order to fund council services

01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.376
and $3.4 billion of infrastructure

01:14:41.400 --> 01:14:44.400
assets  rates is our biggest 

01:14:44.719 --> 01:14:47.496
revenue source  for the last four

01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:50.456
budgets our rates increase has been much

01:14:50.480 --> 01:14:53.480
lower than inflation  in fact 

01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.936
something around 8% lower than inflation

01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:59.896
for the last four years  whilst this

01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:02.920
is happening  our cost has been rising

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:06.135
at much higher the inflation and I I can

01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:08.616
give you some statistics around that 

01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:11.175
in this current budget alone 28%

01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:14.199
increase in landfill levy  73%

01:15:14.480 --> 01:15:17.480
increase in congestion levy  more than

01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.000
5% increase for construction projects 

01:15:22.480 --> 01:15:24.695
doubledigit increases for insurance

01:15:24.719 --> 01:15:27.719
premis  work cover premi increases

01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.560
 and also  just to add to that the

01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:34.600
superenuation increase from 11.5% to

01:15:35.480 --> 01:15:38.480
12%  despite all those increases  we

01:15:40.080 --> 01:15:43.080
been able to  develop a budget within

01:15:44.320 --> 01:15:47.320
the rights cap of 3%  so and mainly

01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:50.616
that's because of the efficiency savings

01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.376
we've made and also disciplined 

01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:54.896
budgeting

01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:57.920
 that said demand for council service

01:15:58.480 --> 01:16:01.016
and infrastructure continues to be a

01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:04.040
increasing demand  so with that said

01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:07.480
 rates cap of 3% is necessary in order

01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:10.336
to 

01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:13.360
 in order for a balanced budget Can I

01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:16.296
Are there any other questions for

01:16:16.320 --> 01:16:18.016
officers

01:16:18.040 --> 01:16:21.040
mayor CEO I think  through you may I

01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:24.856
think the other important consideration

01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.416
there is that been hearing from

01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:29.976
councilors and from the community about

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.616
the need to improve  some service

01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.640
areas  and desires to do  invest in

01:16:37.360 --> 01:16:40.360
some areas that are important for both

01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:42.456
councilors and for their community so

01:16:42.480 --> 01:16:44.135
you'll see we've highlighted some of

01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:47.159
those  new initiatives increased areas

01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.376
of funding  in the in the resolution

01:16:50.400 --> 01:16:53.175
so that it's clarity around those areas

01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:56.199
 without the full 3% rates increase

01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.936
aligned with the cap  we wouldn't have

01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.175
the capacity to fund some of those

01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:06.199
improvements

01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:09.096
 councelor M question Yeah question

01:17:09.120 --> 01:17:11.936
following up from one of the public

01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:14.695
questions Statutory fees are obviously

01:17:14.719 --> 01:17:17.719
limited in terms of the increases that

01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:20.456
council can apply What impact do

01:17:20.480 --> 01:17:22.616
statutory rates and charges as set by

01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.456
state government and legislation and

01:17:24.480 --> 01:17:26.536
appropriate regulations what impact does

01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:28.856
that have in terms of council being able

01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.880
to provide services for that when those

01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:35.016
statutory fees are set below say the

01:17:35.040 --> 01:17:38.040
cost of delivering that peter Lou

01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:41.016
through you mayor Thank you  councelor

01:17:41.040 --> 01:17:44.040
for asking that question Obviously 

01:17:44.719 --> 01:17:47.719
all revenue sources  are necessary in

01:17:48.480 --> 01:17:51.016
order to fund our our  council

01:17:51.040 --> 01:17:54.040
services and infrastructure Now when

01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:57.336
statutory fees are lower than inflation

01:17:57.360 --> 01:17:59.816
it means that we would need to either

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:02.840
look at ways to increase other  income

01:18:04.080 --> 01:18:07.080
source or reduce our expenditure or or

01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:10.215
in this case potentially could be a case

01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:13.016
 where rates needs to be subsidizing

01:18:13.040 --> 01:18:15.976
those services  it's yeah it depends

01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:17.655
on what services that we are referring

01:18:17.679 --> 01:18:19.736
to but generally speaking it just means

01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.760
great burd burden on our rates in income

01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:26.336
Councelor

01:18:26.360 --> 01:18:28.616
Consol around the budget I get

01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:30.856
conflicting confusing information that's

01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:33.256
listed out there  and I'd like to

01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:35.175
understand where I can best point people

01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:38.199
to so for example when the people say

01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:40.695
our rates on average they interpret the

01:18:40.719 --> 01:18:42.296
numbers a bit differently Where's the

01:18:42.320 --> 01:18:44.536
best place or will the city of Port

01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:46.536
Phillip U be putting together some of

01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.536
this information to help people

01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:50.096
understand why

01:18:50.120 --> 01:18:53.016
it's misconstrued

01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:56.040
peter Lou through you may  thank you

01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:59.159
councelor on that question  comparing

01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.135
rates against other councils is very

01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.856
difficult  sort of a measure 

01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:07.655
because every council has its own 

01:19:07.679 --> 01:19:10.679
rating strategy  I guess  one area

01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:14.120
that you could  we or the public can

01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.936
access information on benchmarking is

01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.215
the know your  know your council

01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:22.239
website which  contains one particular

01:19:23.120 --> 01:19:26.120
indicator average rates per assessment

01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:30.135
That that indicator looks purely on

01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:33.159
general rates for all properties not

01:19:33.440 --> 01:19:35.896
just residential or commercial It's not

01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.616
doesn't break down to that level  and

01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:41.640
it doesn't  include  waste charge so

01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:46.120
even that alone is not a good indicator

01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:48.776
in many ways because for example 

01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.800
whilst we have a waste charge our waste

01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:54.135
charge is much lower than other councils

01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:56.536
so you  it's almost a case where you

01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:58.695
need to combine everything wise charge

01:19:58.719 --> 01:20:01.496
or generates against other council which

01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:04.215
this is not available in in the public

01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:07.239
domain but know your council website

01:20:08.480 --> 01:20:11.480
does provide that indicator

01:20:12.320 --> 01:20:15.320
 so I'll go council min first

01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:19.175
A long-term financial plan currently

01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:21.096
highlights we're potentially looking at

01:20:21.120 --> 01:20:23.536
an $80 million deficit over the next 10

01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:26.456
years Obviously there's two ways of

01:20:26.480 --> 01:20:28.536
potentially plugging that deficit but

01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.560
given the constrained revenue

01:20:31.679 --> 01:20:33.416
environment that we're within and

01:20:33.440 --> 01:20:34.776
through rate capping and other

01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.016
instrents where we're limited to raise

01:20:37.040 --> 01:20:40.040
revenue obviously the lower our revenue

01:20:40.480 --> 01:20:42.215
potential the more impact that has on

01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:44.536
our long-term financial uncertainty does

01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:46.776
it not

01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:49.800
p

01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:54.159
Lou through you may

01:20:54.360 --> 01:20:57.360
 the 10ear plan  asses some 

01:20:59.040 --> 01:21:01.256
some of the high level projections based

01:21:01.280 --> 01:21:04.280
on information provided from various

01:21:05.360 --> 01:21:08.336
reputable resources like  access

01:21:08.360 --> 01:21:11.360
economics from deote  RBA and 

01:21:13.040 --> 01:21:16.040
various other sources  those  

01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:19.416
provide some highle sort of 

01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:22.135
indication on what it means if we use

01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:25.159
those  high level  projections to to

01:21:26.480 --> 01:21:29.480
you know in absence of any sort of 

01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:31.496
intervention if you like so that 80

01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:34.520
million is  without intervention 

01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:37.496
meaning not looking for efficiency

01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:39.496
saving and not without efficiency

01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:42.520
savings  of course  we've got a  I

01:21:45.040 --> 01:21:47.816
guess a history of delivering 

01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:50.840
efficiency savings annually  we be

01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:54.135
whilst  the 10 year plan has been

01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.159
reduced to 7 temporarily  we do plan

01:21:58.320 --> 01:22:01.320
to look at ways to be even more

01:22:01.440 --> 01:22:03.976
efficient using  you know 

01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:07.000
technology as a way to improve that 

01:22:07.040 --> 01:22:10.040
of course rates does play a role in in

01:22:10.400 --> 01:22:12.135
making sure we are financially

01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:14.456
sustainable and provides the funding

01:22:14.480 --> 01:22:17.480
source necessary  for continue ongoing

01:22:18.040 --> 01:22:21.040
services Otherwise without that rates

01:22:21.480 --> 01:22:24.480
income or or without the rates cap we

01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:27.655
would then be in a much worse position

01:22:27.679 --> 01:22:30.215
than the $80 million in the projection

01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.135
from that from that projection and the

01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.159
CEO would like to also respond

01:22:35.360 --> 01:22:37.336
through you mayor we have a we have the

01:22:37.360 --> 01:22:39.016
financial strategy outlines a range of

01:22:39.040 --> 01:22:42.040
levers that council has available

01:22:42.440 --> 01:22:45.175
 it acknowledges that rates is capped

01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:46.695
and the financial strategies that we

01:22:46.719 --> 01:22:48.456
won't be seeking you know in the

01:22:48.480 --> 01:22:50.856
foreseeable future an above rates gap

01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:52.215
increase But what you're seeing there is

01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:53.655
that one of our key levers that you'd

01:22:53.679 --> 01:22:56.256
normally have available as an as an

01:22:56.280 --> 01:22:58.776
organization has got a constraint put on

01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:00.615
it That that means then we have to work

01:23:00.639 --> 01:23:03.639
harder at those other levers which we do

01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:05.655
 efficiency savings is one of those

01:23:05.679 --> 01:23:08.576
How we use strategic how we use our

01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:10.936
reserves how we recycle assets so

01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:12.655
selling assets and then using that to

01:23:12.679 --> 01:23:15.679
reinvest in other assets  other other

01:23:16.480 --> 01:23:18.215
areas we do have some capacity around

01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:20.456
debt but debt comes with a charge we're

01:23:20.480 --> 01:23:23.480
not recommending that in this in this 

01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.520
in this plan or financial strategy 

01:23:27.280 --> 01:23:28.615
but we're always trying to balance and

01:23:28.639 --> 01:23:29.976
the financial strategy does talk about

01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.016
all the different levers we have

01:23:31.040 --> 01:23:32.776
available One of those levers is

01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:34.296
constrained It puts pressure on the

01:23:34.320 --> 01:23:36.776
other ones

01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:39.800
Okay Councelor Tman

01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:42.840
 I  you know as support the

01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:47.215
reduction of the Sinclair Festival  by

01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:50.239
$450,000 and   I'm glad that that

01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:53.960
money will remain  primary within the

01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.560
art sector so in terms of  how that

01:23:58.400 --> 01:24:01.175
money will be allocated and as a

01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:04.199
follow-up of the two  people who spoke

01:24:04.480 --> 01:24:07.480
 before how are we going to  are we

01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:11.016
encouraging organization to make

01:24:11.040 --> 01:24:14.040
submissions or are we looking at  or

01:24:14.639 --> 01:24:17.016
the organization that we support or

01:24:17.040 --> 01:24:19.816
would like to support to make sure that

01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:22.215
 that money is distributed you know

01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:23.736
equally

01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.760
 as as was  suggested by one of the

01:24:28.719 --> 01:24:31.719
speakers before

01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.880
 who are we going brian T  thank you

01:24:35.679 --> 01:24:38.679
and through  you may  officers  in

01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:44.199
considering how that funding will be

01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.175
distributed we'll work close we'll

01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:48.776
consider any submissions that come

01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.800
through the  the budget process and

01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:55.800
we'll work with  councilors  on the

01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:59.159
development of proposals   in order

01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:02.600
to work out how best to use that funding

01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:07.000
Okay  I think councelor Buckingham

01:25:08.320 --> 01:25:10.856
Thank you mayor My question was actually

01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:13.416
similar to councelor  Tomman's

01:25:13.440 --> 01:25:16.440
question about the St CUDA festival

01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:19.920
 what will the anticipated impact of

01:25:21.280 --> 01:25:24.056
the rep prioritization of this amount of

01:25:24.080 --> 01:25:26.936
money have on the festival and to build

01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.615
on the question we've just

01:25:29.639 --> 01:25:32.639
had how is the council going to take a

01:25:34.400 --> 01:25:37.096
strategic approach in how this funding

01:25:37.120 --> 01:25:40.120
is used to ensure it supports a vibrant

01:25:42.120 --> 01:25:45.120
network of  community cultural and

01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:47.576
artistic activity within the

01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.736
municipality

01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:52.695
is it back to you Brian or Thank you and

01:25:52.719 --> 01:25:55.576
and again through  you may in terms of

01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:57.416
the first part of the question which

01:25:57.440 --> 01:26:00.215
goes to the impact  that the reduction

01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.239
in funding will have to the festival 

01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:06.960
officers  are still working through 

01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:10.840
that outcome  however  we are

01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.760
confident that we can minimize the

01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.800
impact in terms of  either the number

01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.776
of performers or indeed the benefits to

01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.256
traders  and the community more

01:26:23.280 --> 01:26:25.816
broadly  in terms of the second part

01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:28.840
which is  how is that funding  best

01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.016
used in order to  create a vibrant

01:26:33.040 --> 01:26:36.040
network of  arts and other 

01:26:38.440 --> 01:26:40.936
organizations we will  I think as I

01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:43.960
indicated earlier we started thinking

01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.776
about that and started thinking about

01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.336
how we look at it from a strategic

01:26:49.360 --> 01:26:52.360
holistic perspective  and we will 

01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:56.520
work with   councilors and indeed

01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.456
some of our stakeholders  in the next

01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:02.215
short period of time to work out what's

01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:05.239
the best model going forward

01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:08.600
Council Min we had a couple of qu

01:27:08.639 --> 01:27:10.695
submissions today to the agenda item

01:27:10.719 --> 01:27:12.376
around the council plan and budget Can

01:27:12.400 --> 01:27:14.135
we please make sure that those

01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:17.159
submitters or questions are recognized

01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:19.496
so we reach out to them to put a

01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:22.520
submission

01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:26.239
forward who who

01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:29.600
are Yeah Who go sorry Robin I'm looking

01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:32.920
and I'm like where's the hand yep Okay

01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:35.416
Thank you Mayor  through you Yes we

01:27:35.440 --> 01:27:37.256
can  follow up with those and make

01:27:37.280 --> 01:27:38.615
sure they're considered as part of the

01:27:38.639 --> 01:27:41.376
formal submission process Thank you

01:27:41.400 --> 01:27:44.400
Council Buckingham

01:27:45.280 --> 01:27:47.416
Thanks Mayor I note that there's an

01:27:47.440 --> 01:27:50.135
additional 250,000

01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:52.856
 of ongoing budget initiatives to fund

01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:55.336
activities particularly around social

01:27:55.360 --> 01:27:57.816
connection and social cohesion I'm

01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.056
particularly interested in the $60,000

01:28:00.080 --> 01:28:02.376
to fasttrack the delivery of a

01:28:02.400 --> 01:28:05.096
multicultural strategy and I note that

01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:06.776
the city of Port Phillip hasn't had a

01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:08.615
multicultural strategy for many many

01:28:08.639 --> 01:28:09.695
years

01:28:09.719 --> 01:28:12.719
 my question is this additional

01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.736
investment what's the time frame for a

01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:17.576
multicultural strategy and when will we

01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:20.600
start to see the impacts of this work

01:28:20.719 --> 01:28:23.719
kylie Bennett through you may thank you

01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:25.695
for the question councelor

01:28:25.719 --> 01:28:28.256
Buckingham  in terms of the

01:28:28.280 --> 01:28:30.376
multicultural framework if council

01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:31.456
agreed

01:28:31.480 --> 01:28:34.480
to providing an additional $60,000

01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:37.615
through the  through the final budget

01:28:37.639 --> 01:28:40.615
process our officers would seek to

01:28:40.639 --> 01:28:43.639
engage a a multicultural  contract or

01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:47.976
a multicultural specialist 

01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:50.695
consultancy to help  fasttrack the

01:28:50.719 --> 01:28:52.576
delivery of that that work would

01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:55.296
commence in

01:28:55.320 --> 01:28:58.320
2526 with a likely adoption

01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.880
 in the calendar year of 2026 

01:29:02.080 --> 01:29:05.016
probably September October

01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:07.096
No one is allowed to ask Kylie Bennett

01:29:07.120 --> 01:29:08.536
questions the rest of the night Wrong

01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:11.560
category I'm really sorry

01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:14.615
Are you okay you if you got your answer

01:29:14.639 --> 01:29:17.576
there councelor Buckingham just in given

01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:20.600
sorry no don't be silly Okay Any other

01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:23.736
questions that are not in Kylie's

01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:25.496
portfolio

01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:28.520
 councelor Thomann  yes I just got a

01:29:29.280 --> 01:29:32.056
question is that the city of Melbourne

01:29:32.080 --> 01:29:35.080
reported 200 something million debt or

01:29:37.440 --> 01:29:39.896
 and  obviously the city of Port

01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:42.896
Philip  doesn't have that kind of

01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:45.920
liability so I asse that lending money

01:29:47.040 --> 01:29:50.040
is not a sol is not a solution or an

01:29:50.320 --> 01:29:53.096
option that council is taking so is

01:29:53.120 --> 01:29:55.816
there a reason I know you did say before

01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.695
that obviously debt cost money but is

01:29:58.719 --> 01:30:01.719
there   is there a reason why we are

01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:04.920
not borrowing money for example

01:30:05.040 --> 01:30:08.040
is that CEO or Peter Lou

01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:10.536
peter

01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:12.536
through you may thank you councelor for

01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:15.560
the question  borrowing forms part of

01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:18.695
our financial strategy Yes it's true

01:30:18.719 --> 01:30:21.496
that we do not have any debt which is a

01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:24.296
good thing  debt costs money  you

01:30:24.320 --> 01:30:27.320
have to  find ways to service the cost

01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:30.760
 however we you know we do need to

01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:32.856
have a prudent approach and fiscally

01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:35.880
responsible approach towards using debt

01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:39.560
 generally speaking we do not fund

01:30:40.080 --> 01:30:42.936
operating ongoing services with debt

01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:44.776
That's not possible unless you can find

01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:47.800
a ongoing  income stream to support

01:30:48.480 --> 01:30:51.480
that  where debt is used generally

01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:55.135
speaking should be considered for maybe

01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:58.159
multi- generation sort of  projects

01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:01.096
because that means it's it's spread over

01:31:01.120 --> 01:31:03.215
multiple  benefits through that

01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:06.239
generation   yes  we do we would

01:31:08.400 --> 01:31:11.256
consider borrowing if necessary where we

01:31:11.280 --> 01:31:14.280
could   fund large projects that's

01:31:15.440 --> 01:31:17.256
identified

01:31:17.280 --> 01:31:19.816
Followup question here so obviously one

01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:22.695
of our biggest expenses the budget is 

01:31:22.719 --> 01:31:25.719
the south Melbourne  town hall  so

01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:29.256
for example we

01:31:29.280 --> 01:31:30.695
 we would never we wouldn't borrow

01:31:30.719 --> 01:31:33.175
money to pay for the refurbishment of

01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:35.175
the south Melbourne tunnel if I follow

01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:38.135
your logic Yeah

01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:41.159
 through you may  no I I don't mean

01:31:41.440 --> 01:31:43.816
like that  I think what I'm referring

01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:46.840
to is it can form part of a financial

01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:50.056
strategy given it's a large  project

01:31:50.080 --> 01:31:52.776
that's a large asset that's benefits

01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:55.256
multiple generations But what I'm saying

01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:56.496
is that

01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.520
 debt hasn't been considered  for

01:32:00.080 --> 01:32:02.376
south Mountain town hall due to the fact

01:32:02.400 --> 01:32:05.400
that we've been  building up our cash

01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:09.159
reserves  for  asset renewal and in

01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:13.736
this case as the south Melon Tano has is

01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:16.296
been flagged as as one that we should be

01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:19.320
using the asset re  the  cash

01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.296
reserves from the asset renewal fund to

01:32:22.320 --> 01:32:24.695
fund this project and majority you that

01:32:24.719 --> 01:32:26.536
project is funded some through that so

01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:28.856
that's using cash reserves that which

01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.880
which we have  and is at a lower cost

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:34.056
than if we were to go out and borrow

01:32:34.080 --> 01:32:36.536
money I think the CEO wants to round up

01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:39.016
and then Yep Yep three minute I think at

01:32:39.040 --> 01:32:40.376
the moment we don't have a need to

01:32:40.400 --> 01:32:43.400
borrow That's the fundamental  we've

01:32:44.280 --> 01:32:46.776
we've worked on a strong financial

01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:48.695
strategy over a long period of time 

01:32:48.719 --> 01:32:51.719
as as the CFO has mentioned we don't use

01:32:52.400 --> 01:32:54.695
debt to fund operations That's like you

01:32:54.719 --> 01:32:56.256
know

01:32:56.280 --> 01:32:58.615
 trying to pay people their salaries

01:32:58.639 --> 01:33:00.256
on a on a credit card It's not

01:33:00.280 --> 01:33:02.215
sustainable  you have to have a

01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:03.655
funding source that you be you know you

01:33:03.679 --> 01:33:05.256
need to pay pay those ongoing operating

01:33:05.280 --> 01:33:07.976
expenses through revenue where we would

01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:10.296
use it is if it was a potentially a new

01:33:10.320 --> 01:33:13.320
long life asset maybe 50 60 years 

01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:17.336
that had  significant community

01:33:17.360 --> 01:33:19.736
benefits that may have some source of

01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:21.736
revenue associated with it may may not

01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:24.760
be all and then  we would repay that

01:33:25.040 --> 01:33:27.096
over time from the generations that

01:33:27.120 --> 01:33:30.120
benefit from that through the rates 

01:33:30.639 --> 01:33:32.056
there hasn't been a need for that and

01:33:32.080 --> 01:33:33.976
it's cheaper for us at the moment to use

01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:35.496
our internal reserves that have been

01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:37.816
built up over time to deal with this

01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:39.416
lpy

01:33:39.440 --> 01:33:41.416
 investment cycle that we have for

01:33:41.440 --> 01:33:43.736
some of these really old assets like the

01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:45.655
south Melbourne town hall I would have

01:33:45.679 --> 01:33:47.496
liked to have spent less than what we

01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:49.976
are needing to on that on that asset 

01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:51.816
and we need to be careful around that

01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:53.976
But  our strategy at the moment has

01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.615
been  sufficient that we haven't had

01:33:56.639 --> 01:33:59.016
to utilize debt  and we'll continue to

01:33:59.040 --> 01:34:00.856
try and avoid that as much as we can But

01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:02.856
there may be a time with some of the

01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:04.215
development around Fisherman's Bend for

01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:06.456
instance depending on where the

01:34:06.480 --> 01:34:09.480
development contribution plan lands 

01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:12.376
and the speed and scale of development

01:34:12.400 --> 01:34:15.400
that council wishes to take that you may

01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:17.016
want to look at that there'll be some

01:34:17.040 --> 01:34:18.376
that will be a for and some that would

01:34:18.400 --> 01:34:20.296
be against that but it's not not

01:34:20.320 --> 01:34:21.416
something that we've seen as being

01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:24.440
needed in the current planning cycle

01:34:25.679 --> 01:34:27.256
Do you have any more questions or we can

01:34:27.280 --> 01:34:29.936
move on to the substantive

01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:32.960
debate nope all right so  councilors

01:34:33.440 --> 01:34:36.440
we are going to  speak Let me just

01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:38.215
explain there is actually going to be

01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:40.695
four parts is it is it clearly marked

01:34:40.719 --> 01:34:42.135
just before we get to the debate so

01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:43.816
there's going to be part one and we will

01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:46.840
vote on that then there is part two or

01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:52.520
it's 3 A or 2 A that will be on debated

01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:55.496
that will be voted on separately then we

01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:58.520
will v vote the remaining part 2B and

01:34:59.120 --> 01:35:01.496
then we'll vote part three and part four

01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:02.856
does that make sense so it's really just

01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:04.736
that one line that's been drawn

01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:07.760
out five or part five sorry I I can't

01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:09.256
quite see the numbers that have been

01:35:09.280 --> 01:35:11.256
adjusted I'll go through that with you

01:35:11.280 --> 01:35:12.376
in the end But that's how we're going to

01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:14.376
vote at the end This is your opportunity

01:35:14.400 --> 01:35:17.400
now to  speak to the overall budget

01:35:17.440 --> 01:35:19.256
You can speak for against make your

01:35:19.280 --> 01:35:21.655
points  this is the opportunity so

01:35:21.679 --> 01:35:24.215
councilors do I have a mover  well I

01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:26.376
guess I need a general mover and second

01:35:26.400 --> 01:35:28.376
overall and then we'll go to each part I

01:35:28.400 --> 01:35:29.576
need to check that Do I need a mover and

01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:31.016
second for each part or we'll deal with

01:35:31.040 --> 01:35:33.655
that so who's going to move the item

01:35:33.679 --> 01:35:35.736
council Min to move  who councelor

01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:37.576
Buckingham sec to second Okay Council

01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:40.600
Min you get to be first cab off the rank

01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:43.655
This has been a long and exhaustive

01:35:43.679 --> 01:35:45.776
process I think for counselors and

01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:48.800
officers but is a process that reflects

01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:51.496
what many of  us have been heard

01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:54.296
through our communities what many of us

01:35:54.320 --> 01:35:57.320
have sought to guide the progression of

01:35:57.679 --> 01:35:59.416
the city of Port Phillip One of the

01:35:59.440 --> 01:36:01.655
initiatives I'm particularly proud of is

01:36:01.679 --> 01:36:03.496
our community and social infrastructure

01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:06.376
plan in looking at the current community

01:36:06.400 --> 01:36:08.776
needs and what our needs are in the

01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:11.016
future This will provide the road map

01:36:11.040 --> 01:36:14.040
that we will be able to utilize to look

01:36:14.080 --> 01:36:17.080
at how we actually plan for the future

01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:18.456
and that's particularly important

01:36:18.480 --> 01:36:20.856
because when we look at the growth of

01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:23.016
the city of Port Phillip we are a high

01:36:23.040 --> 01:36:25.175
growth municipality When we look at

01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:28.199
fisherman's band forecast to have an

01:36:28.400 --> 01:36:30.376
increase in residential population of

01:36:30.400 --> 01:36:33.400
80,000 people plus an additional 

01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:36.536
employment source of employment

01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:39.175
generators employing 80,000 people that

01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:41.736
is going to have a significant

01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:44.760
requirement on council services council

01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.736
infrastructure and council facilities

01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:49.496
Now is the time that we need to start

01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:51.576
planning for the future and getting that

01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:53.496
in track and I'm proud to see that

01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:55.256
initiative in there there's a whole

01:36:55.280 --> 01:36:56.695
range of other initiatives that I know

01:36:56.719 --> 01:36:58.456
many of my colleagues will probably wish

01:36:58.480 --> 01:37:01.256
to speak to the progression of the dog

01:37:01.280 --> 01:37:03.095
off leash guidelines something that I

01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:05.095
had been previously involved in It's

01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:06.936
great to see the progression of that

01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:09.655
Both the signage and  new dog parks

01:37:09.679 --> 01:37:11.736
that catered to our increased dog

01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:13.896
population as much as we're catering to

01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:16.920
our increased residential population and

01:37:17.440 --> 01:37:20.440
 improvements to footpath and amenity

01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:23.416
in Fisherman's Bend in an area that's

01:37:23.440 --> 01:37:26.440
predicated on a goal of 80% sustainable

01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:29.416
transport If we do not provide footpaths

01:37:29.440 --> 01:37:31.016
if we do not provide adequate lighting

01:37:31.040 --> 01:37:33.896
for those footpaths how can we actually

01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:36.920
commit to that  goal of sustainable

01:37:37.280 --> 01:37:39.256
transport movement remembering that if

01:37:39.280 --> 01:37:41.256
we don't achieve that goal there will be

01:37:41.280 --> 01:37:43.816
a maintenance cost on council as well as

01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:46.456
also on the state government around 

01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:48.816
vehicle movements so

01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:51.840
getting local transport footpaths

01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:56.695
pedestrianization is critical to our

01:37:56.719 --> 01:37:59.496
vision for the future

01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:02.456
 increased  amenity and maintenance

01:38:02.480 --> 01:38:04.936
works for areas like Bay Street another

01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:07.256
area where the community has said we

01:38:07.280 --> 01:38:09.016
need a lift in standard and I

01:38:09.040 --> 01:38:10.856
acknowledge  you know the work that

01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:12.615
the council has done in looking at how

01:38:12.639 --> 01:38:14.776
we uplift that standard and once again

01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:17.655
seeing that within this budget Now this

01:38:17.679 --> 01:38:19.976
all comes at a cost and it comes at a

01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:21.936
cost

01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:24.960
unading over

01:38:26.719 --> 01:38:28.695
bring back let there be light It comes

01:38:28.719 --> 01:38:30.976
at a cost clearly at our utility

01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:34.000
bills It comes at a

01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:37.119
cost comes at a cost that we as a

01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:40.856
council as a community need to bear and

01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:43.816
that is why there are things like rates

01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:46.296
That is why there are user charges and

01:38:46.320 --> 01:38:48.135
other levers that we need to pull as a

01:38:48.159 --> 01:38:51.095
council No one likes to raise rates No

01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:54.119
one likes to have  increased sources

01:38:54.400 --> 01:38:56.776
of revenue but it's the reality of where

01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:59.095
we are in in government and the reality

01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:01.336
of the services that our community

01:39:01.360 --> 01:39:04.360
expects us to provide You know it's

01:39:04.480 --> 01:39:07.175
rather hbling that at the beginning of

01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:09.736
 this meeting we had a simple request

01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:12.296
for something like a VHS player or a

01:39:12.320 --> 01:39:14.615
projector and looking at how we can

01:39:14.639 --> 01:39:17.016
facilitate that Now in the grand scheme

01:39:17.040 --> 01:39:20.040
of a $270 odd million budget that is a

01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:23.615
largely innate request but it shows the

01:39:23.639 --> 01:39:26.639
impact of the culative requests and

01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:28.936
the impact they have on the community

01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.296
You know local government's role is to

01:39:31.320 --> 01:39:34.215
amplify the impact that we can have on

01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:36.615
our community This budget does that It

01:39:36.639 --> 01:39:38.856
does the council plan does that and this

01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:40.856
really sets us up not only for the four

01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:43.336
years ahead of us but also into the

01:39:43.360 --> 01:39:45.896
future terms of councils into the future

01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:47.576
I commend this budget I commend the

01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:49.256
council plan and urge my fellow

01:39:49.280 --> 01:39:52.280
councilors to adopt this motion and the

01:39:52.639 --> 01:39:54.695
various parts

01:39:54.719 --> 01:39:56.456
Thank you councelor M Councelor

01:39:56.480 --> 01:39:58.215
Buckingham

01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:01.239
Thank you and I'm very proud to second

01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.536
this motion and that we've arrived at

01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:07.560
this point in time  over the past few

01:40:09.719 --> 01:40:12.456
months of since I was elected as a

01:40:12.480 --> 01:40:15.416
counselor we've put in a lot of hours to

01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:17.336
get to this point we've had many many

01:40:17.360 --> 01:40:18.856
conversations

01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:21.296
 frank fearless challenging

01:40:21.320 --> 01:40:23.496
conversations and hours and hours of

01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:26.520
officer time answering our  hundreds

01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:28.695
and hundreds of questions and requests

01:40:28.719 --> 01:40:31.719
for more information and what I  see

01:40:32.080 --> 01:40:35.080
today in this draft plan and budget is a

01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.655
plan and a budget that really puts

01:40:39.679 --> 01:40:41.576
people at the center of what this

01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:44.296
council is doing

01:40:44.320 --> 01:40:47.320
It's a plan and a budget that aims to

01:40:49.360 --> 01:40:52.215
build our shared resilience as a

01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.936
community and we need it In the you know

01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:57.960
the first motion I moved as a counselor

01:40:58.080 --> 01:41:01.080
was around the fire bombing of a dust

01:41:01.320 --> 01:41:04.320
and in my weeks of being a counselor so

01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:07.736
many of the people I've spoken to are

01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:10.456
doing it rough

01:41:10.480 --> 01:41:13.480
cost of living community safety

01:41:14.360 --> 01:41:17.360
anti-semitism social cohesion It's not

01:41:17.440 --> 01:41:20.440
an easy time and it's during a hard time

01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.496
and hard times that we're we're living

01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.056
through that people rely on their

01:41:26.080 --> 01:41:28.135
council more than ever and they rely on

01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:29.936
their neighbors and they rely on their

01:41:29.960 --> 01:41:32.736
community so this

01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:35.760
plan it does a number of things It funds

01:41:36.480 --> 01:41:37.695
and

01:41:37.719 --> 01:41:40.719
supports connection and community

01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:44.159
building It enables those people in the

01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:47.016
community that I've had the privilege of

01:41:47.040 --> 01:41:48.856
meeting and spending time with over the

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.175
last since I was elected as a counselor

01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:53.736
that enable others work so there's

01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:56.760
funding here for volunteer coordinators

01:41:57.440 --> 01:42:00.440
for  you know community organizations

01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:01.936
that

01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:04.936
enable a huge amount of work that makes

01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:07.960
a real difference in people's lives I'm

01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.135
particularly proud of the

01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:11.816
multiculturalism strategy Being a member

01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:14.456
of the multicultural advisory committee

01:42:14.480 --> 01:42:17.336
I can see and I know of the amazing

01:42:17.360 --> 01:42:20.215
capacity within our community but also

01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:22.576
that diversity and

01:42:22.600 --> 01:42:25.576
multiculturalism needs to be planned for

01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:27.816
celebrated and worked on we can't just

01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.840
go about it in an ad hoc way if we want

01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:33.896
to preserve our socially cohesive

01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:35.816
diverse wonderful community that we

01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.840
currently enjoy and there are threats to

01:42:39.040 --> 01:42:41.256
this cohesion as we saw in Rip and Lelay

01:42:41.280 --> 01:42:42.256
in

01:42:42.280 --> 01:42:45.280
December so that multicultural strategy

01:42:45.360 --> 01:42:48.056
is the start of it's really laying down

01:42:48.080 --> 01:42:50.695
the tracks to make sure that the

01:42:50.719 --> 01:42:53.719
services we provide are  inclusive of

01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:57.976
all people and culturally appropriate

01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:01.000
It's around ensuring that our staff and

01:43:01.280 --> 01:43:04.280
our our people are doing the best job we

01:43:04.320 --> 01:43:06.776
possibly can do to include everyone and

01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:09.800
that we also celebrate our

01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:14.000
diversity Similarly  the hard decision

01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:16.776
around the St killed a festival has a

01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:19.800
huge amount of potential and you know

01:43:20.239 --> 01:43:22.936
while I I feel like in some ways we

01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:25.960
could have gone further and it could be

01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:27.376
a really

01:43:27.400 --> 01:43:30.215
transformational change I think there's

01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:32.376
a real opportunity here to ensure that

01:43:32.400 --> 01:43:34.536
the funding we do spend on festivals and

01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:37.560
the arts goes to artists the creation of

01:43:38.080 --> 01:43:41.080
culture the creation of art and is

01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:43.175
focused one of the speakers we had

01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:45.655
earlier today is focused on creating

01:43:45.679 --> 01:43:48.056
that community connection which in turn

01:43:48.080 --> 01:43:51.080
builds our social

01:43:51.480 --> 01:43:54.056
cohesion Another element of this plan

01:43:54.080 --> 01:43:56.296
and budget which I'm very proud of is

01:43:56.320 --> 01:43:59.320
that there is $1.2 $2 million put it

01:43:59.360 --> 01:44:02.360
aside for housing and informing our 

01:44:02.400 --> 01:44:05.400
future housing strategy which again will

01:44:05.440 --> 01:44:07.736
feed in to our community safety and our

01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:10.760
social cohesion and the  basic han

01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:14.695
dignity of having a safe home that

01:44:14.719 --> 01:44:17.719
everyone in city of Port Philip deserves

01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:20.256
there are also

01:44:20.280 --> 01:44:23.280
 some real I think we're going to

01:44:23.360 --> 01:44:25.416
residents will see an improvement

01:44:25.440 --> 01:44:27.016
particularly around things like street

01:44:27.040 --> 01:44:30.040
cleaning which again draws people out of

01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:33.080
our our homes and into our public

01:44:33.400 --> 01:44:36.400
spaces and  finally

01:44:38.400 --> 01:44:41.400
 again the start of a process laying

01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:44.376
down tracks for for future improvement

01:44:44.400 --> 01:44:46.776
is a precinct a precinct planning

01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:49.576
process kicking off in Ripen Lee there's

01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:51.576
been in the pipeline for some time and

01:44:51.600 --> 01:44:53.736
investment in the Bernardet Gray Gardens

01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.760
the  fire bombing of Adas late last

01:44:57.760 --> 01:45:00.296
year has really pulled into focus the

01:45:00.320 --> 01:45:03.320
need for community consultation

01:45:03.440 --> 01:45:05.496
 precinct planning around the Ripen

01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.215
Lee village and there's an opportunity

01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:10.695
here to work  not just at the council

01:45:10.719 --> 01:45:12.215
level but at the state and the federal

01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:14.456
level around ensuring that the community

01:45:14.480 --> 01:45:17.480
in Ripen Lee is safe supported and that

01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:19.736
we preserve that beautiful heritage

01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:22.760
village for many generations to come

01:45:23.040 --> 01:45:25.655
I do feel like there are spaces in this

01:45:25.679 --> 01:45:27.175
budget we could have gone further we

01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:29.816
could have been more ambitious But I do

01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:31.816
I am proud that this is a really good

01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:34.840
start This is laying down the tracks for

01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.960
a very productive four years and for 

01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:41.976
building upon the amazing work of our

01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:44.695
community organizations our residents

01:45:44.719 --> 01:45:47.655
our  traders and businesses to really

01:45:47.679 --> 01:45:49.215
build a

01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:52.239
resilient healthy safe community for

01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:56.119
many many years to come Thank you Who

01:45:56.880 --> 01:45:58.776
would like to go next to speak to the

01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:01.800
budget or against councelor Holidayiday

01:46:02.480 --> 01:46:04.936
Sure Thank you Mayor  thank you both

01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:07.655
 so my approach coming into this

01:46:07.679 --> 01:46:10.679
budget was  to focus on  fairness

01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.095
equity  and social

01:46:14.119 --> 01:46:17.119
cohesion  and I think that this budget

01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:20.199
largely delivers on those goals

01:46:21.400 --> 01:46:24.135
 my other my other approach has been

01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:27.159
about tangible on the ground benefits

01:46:27.280 --> 01:46:30.280
that people can see in their lives so we

01:46:30.320 --> 01:46:32.215
see in this budget now significant

01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:35.175
investment in Elma ward  through

01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:37.816
additional open space and things like

01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:40.456
pedestrian crossings  investment in

01:46:40.480 --> 01:46:43.336
Bellaclava in Carlile Street  where

01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:45.816
we'll see uplift there on Carile Street

01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:48.376
 the redirection of funding into 

01:46:48.400 --> 01:46:50.456
our arts organizations and our grants

01:46:50.480 --> 01:46:52.296
funds there

01:46:52.320 --> 01:46:55.256
 importantly reinvestment in housing

01:46:55.280 --> 01:46:57.416
 to support our most vulnerable

01:46:57.440 --> 01:46:59.976
community members and then things like

01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:02.615
 the urban forest strategy  and tree

01:47:02.639 --> 01:47:04.296
planting that goes along with that which

01:47:04.320 --> 01:47:07.320
will see us work towards our 30% canopy

01:47:07.440 --> 01:47:10.056
cover hopefully having an entire city

01:47:10.080 --> 01:47:12.056
that is green and cool for people to

01:47:12.080 --> 01:47:15.080
live in  things like precinct amenity

01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:17.976
as well that  councelor Buckingham

01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:21.000
mentioned there Just seeing  cleaner

01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:23.175
streets and high streets where people

01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:26.199
shop so they  can better enjoy those

01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:29.376
streets 

01:47:29.400 --> 01:47:32.400
and  areas like community cohesion

01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:36.376
support and the services the social

01:47:36.400 --> 01:47:39.336
services that support our  our diverse

01:47:39.360 --> 01:47:42.056
population here  I'd also like to call

01:47:42.080 --> 01:47:44.615
out  the inputs into this budget from

01:47:44.639 --> 01:47:47.576
our deliberative panel process  I hope

01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:49.336
that every member of that deliberative

01:47:49.360 --> 01:47:52.360
panel  all 40 of them can see their

01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:55.560
work in this budget  and they should

01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:58.536
know that if they  even if they don't

01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:00.135
see it immediately there's one thing in

01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:01.976
there that we didn't get immediately the

01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.536
the spirit of that  that

01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:07.296
recommendation is in this budget as well

01:48:07.320 --> 01:48:10.135
 there's unfinished business here 

01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:11.896
for me personally and hopefully for

01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:14.456
others here around  stronger climate

01:48:14.480 --> 01:48:17.480
action around active transport  around

01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:21.080
fisherman's bend  and following

01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:24.199
through on on  revitalizing Carile

01:48:24.480 --> 01:48:27.480
Street  lastly I think  I see real

01:48:28.480 --> 01:48:31.175
challenges for us over the over the next

01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:34.056
kind of 10 years here the challenges 

01:48:34.080 --> 01:48:36.215
of rate capping which is constraining

01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:39.016
our revenue the challenges that we'll

01:48:39.040 --> 01:48:42.040
need significant investment probably

01:48:42.159 --> 01:48:45.159
$200 million  across our legacy assets

01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.840
that need reinvestment in them  and

01:48:49.360 --> 01:48:51.336
finally the challenges of climate change

01:48:51.360 --> 01:48:54.360
and societal  pressures that we're

01:48:54.400 --> 01:48:57.336
facing now that'll be amplified so I

01:48:57.360 --> 01:49:00.360
think this is a start and  we've got

01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:02.215
lots more work to do but I think this is

01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:05.239
a good start and I  commend our my

01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:08.800
following my fellow counselors and all

01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:11.880
of the officers who  bore with us

01:49:12.320 --> 01:49:15.320
through this process  I thank you all

01:49:16.400 --> 01:49:18.296
for that for all of your input and all

01:49:18.320 --> 01:49:20.856
of the input of everyone behind you 

01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:23.416
as well who's  who's contributed to

01:49:23.440 --> 01:49:26.440
this  so I fully support this budget

01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:30.376
Wouldn't someone like to speak  yep

01:49:30.400 --> 01:49:33.400
councelor Thomann

01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:36.456
I'm not going to repeat what my fellow

01:49:36.480 --> 01:49:38.776
councils have said I fully support what

01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:41.095
you have been saying and I just like to

01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:43.095
stress that obviously when we got

01:49:43.119 --> 01:49:45.655
elected the budget was already sort of

01:49:45.679 --> 01:49:48.679
going and  I do  thank the officers

01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:52.376
and especially Miss Bolley for you know

01:49:52.400 --> 01:49:54.456
as as I used the expression that we

01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:57.095
jped on onto a train that was already

01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.119
going and  obviously we relooked at 

01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:03.175
how to do things and I think we got

01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:05.175
punished by seven or eight six hour

01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:07.896
session on the budget so we can't say

01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:10.456
that we were not part of the development

01:50:10.480 --> 01:50:13.175
and I think  as some of my fellow

01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:15.175
council said at the beginning to say we

01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:18.056
don't feel that we own the budget I

01:50:18.080 --> 01:50:20.056
think with all the work that we've put

01:50:20.080 --> 01:50:22.376
in in the last two or 3 months I think

01:50:22.400 --> 01:50:25.400
we have a a strong ownership even mostly

01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:27.896
we'll have a more a better understanding

01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:29.816
and more ownership in the budget next

01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:32.840
year  but I do support a couple of

01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:35.960
things I'd like to  say is that  

01:50:36.080 --> 01:50:37.896
as much as I was mentioning before about

01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:40.615
Sinila festival   and the reduction

01:50:40.639 --> 01:50:43.639
in cost   suggest that  there is

01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:47.095
further things work to do for 20 for

01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:50.119
2027 and I hopefully  that we can do a

01:50:51.280 --> 01:50:54.135
deep dive and  and have a festival 2.0

01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:57.159
zero  for 27 that will be you know

01:50:57.360 --> 01:51:00.360
back to what it should be in the year 27

01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:03.416
 the $450,000 for the arts

01:51:03.440 --> 01:51:05.496
organization but will most probably make

01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.456
a very big difference for some of these

01:51:07.480 --> 01:51:09.655
organizations the fact that we are

01:51:09.679 --> 01:51:11.736
considering better treatment and

01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:13.336
management and cleaning of high streets

01:51:13.360 --> 01:51:15.976
and others is definitely something 

01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:17.615
apart of the

01:51:17.639 --> 01:51:20.615
$250,000 for social inclusion there's

01:51:20.639 --> 01:51:23.639
also $250,000 for initiative to come out

01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:26.376
of the the round table so in a way you

01:51:26.400 --> 01:51:29.400
know so in a way it's $500,000 cuz part

01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:32.456
of that will be social inclusion  and

01:51:32.480 --> 01:51:34.296
I also would like to stress that I'm

01:51:34.320 --> 01:51:37.320
very pleased that  the council has

01:51:37.440 --> 01:51:40.440
decided to refund  the friends of SU

01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.960
to the for the term of the friendship

01:51:44.400 --> 01:51:46.856
we've got with the SUI so I'd just like

01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:49.016
to remind people that the friends of SU

01:51:49.040 --> 01:51:51.655
is a council initiative and I feel that

01:51:51.679 --> 01:51:54.376
 we have a contract with the people in

01:51:54.400 --> 01:51:57.400
souai and it would be  direct of the

01:51:58.239 --> 01:52:00.376
council to stop that agreement so even

01:52:00.400 --> 01:52:03.400
for the sake of just $15,000 or four or

01:52:03.599 --> 01:52:05.575
five years  I think it's important

01:52:05.599 --> 01:52:08.599
that we keep our friendship and social

01:52:08.719 --> 01:52:10.615
inclusion you know with the people in

01:52:10.639 --> 01:52:12.936
there You know it's not for me it is not

01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.416
foreign aid It is there's a bunch of

01:52:15.440 --> 01:52:18.135
very dedicated people who do

01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:20.456
hanitarian work instead of going to

01:52:20.480 --> 01:52:22.376
the book club or whatever and actually

01:52:22.400 --> 01:52:23.896
you know I know being part of that

01:52:23.920 --> 01:52:26.376
committee having been part the work they

01:52:26.400 --> 01:52:28.135
do is incredible all at their own

01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:30.056
expenses and the fact that council is

01:52:30.080 --> 01:52:31.655
putting a little bit of money toward

01:52:31.679 --> 01:52:33.896
that program which is a council program

01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:35.896
makes a difference and encourages people

01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:38.920
to do even more so again I thank

01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:42.840
everyone u especially all the officers I

01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:44.536
wonder how many hours have gone through

01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:47.560
that budget but  it's something we can

01:52:47.599 --> 01:52:50.599
call our own  and  I'm looking

01:52:51.599 --> 01:52:54.135
forward to all the you know to get the

01:52:54.159 --> 01:52:55.496
feedback from the committee and a

01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:58.520
followup of releasing the draft today

01:52:59.360 --> 01:53:02.360
 Deputy Mayor Mes

01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.520
Thanks Mayor Crawford  I I can't

01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:09.560
support the budget increase 3% I believe

01:53:11.280 --> 01:53:14.280
 my starting position is a rate freeze

01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:18.000
 I want to point out that  I I

01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:21.960
believe everyone has worked very hard in

01:53:22.639 --> 01:53:25.575
putting together a budget  that will

01:53:25.599 --> 01:53:28.215
go forward to the community and I

01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:31.239
welcome that and  I'm very keen

01:53:31.639 --> 01:53:34.639
to have and hear from our community

01:53:36.800 --> 01:53:39.175
their comments in relation to this

01:53:39.199 --> 01:53:41.816
increase

01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:44.840
 my focus has been in our community

01:53:45.280 --> 01:53:48.280
and my community that  I've invested

01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:51.800
time in they've put a lot of  effort

01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:54.920
into giving me feedback about what they

01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:58.119
are seeking from this council

01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:02.056
One of the worst  descriptions or

01:54:02.080 --> 01:54:04.056
phrases I've heard for the last two or

01:54:04.080 --> 01:54:06.215
three years which is becoming very

01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:09.239
boring is the many politicians from one

01:54:10.719 --> 01:54:13.575
end of Australia to the other who repeat

01:54:13.599 --> 01:54:15.175
mindlessly

01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:18.199
 we know people are doing it tough 

01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:20.256
this comes from people on three and

01:54:20.280 --> 01:54:23.280
$400,000 a year and huge expense

01:54:24.199 --> 01:54:27.175
accounts and they expect people like me

01:54:27.199 --> 01:54:29.496
and others to believe they know what

01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:31.896
it's like not to have enough money to

01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:34.920
buy food pay the rent  make sure your

01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:37.976
kids are going to school the right way

01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:40.615
dress properly all the rest of it My

01:54:40.639 --> 01:54:43.639
focus is on what we can do as a council

01:54:44.639 --> 01:54:47.256
the first port of call in my view in in

01:54:47.280 --> 01:54:50.280
in government and my view of of councils

01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:54.840
the city of Port Phillip in particular

01:54:55.679 --> 01:54:58.679
 over time has has increased to  to

01:55:00.599 --> 01:55:03.599
be absolutely impressed with the fact

01:55:05.040 --> 01:55:08.040
that people rely on our city our council

01:55:09.440 --> 01:55:12.440
on so much more than where this council

01:55:13.040 --> 01:55:16.040
started many many years ago go the city

01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:19.320
of Port Phillip is known  way outside

01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:24.520
of our borders as being a very caring

01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:27.896
 institution looks after its people

01:55:27.920 --> 01:55:30.920
look after its community make sure that

01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:34.119
the the less fortunate than many of us

01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:37.239
are taken care of we spend a lot of time

01:55:37.760 --> 01:55:39.575
and I've spent a lot of time listening

01:55:39.599 --> 01:55:42.599
to people  today  the homeless 

01:55:42.880 --> 01:55:45.880
the home housing  trusts that we've

01:55:46.040 --> 01:55:48.776
got  wanting to take care of homeless

01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:50.296
people

01:55:50.320 --> 01:55:52.776
 and I and I'm impressed with that and

01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:55.800
I I am  delighted to be part of that

01:55:57.440 --> 01:55:59.215
process

01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:02.239
However the 3%  rates cap and I

01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:05.175
understand the logic behind it and why

01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:08.199
we have to do it and  that's it  my

01:56:09.679 --> 01:56:12.679
view is that we need to be more

01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:15.175
adventurous more entrepreneurial and

01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:16.336
more

01:56:16.360 --> 01:56:19.360
creative to keep our rates down to help

01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:26.199
the most needy in our  community I

01:56:27.040 --> 01:56:29.016
note that  the conversation earlier

01:56:29.040 --> 01:56:31.496
was about an 8 million $80 million

01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:34.056
deficit in 10 years I'm sure our

01:56:34.080 --> 01:56:37.080
community will be interested in how that

01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:39.936
will be

01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:42.960
 taken care of  is the 3% rates cap

01:56:45.280 --> 01:56:48.215
going to be held at that or will extra

01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:50.215
rates have to be put in place to cover

01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:53.239
off the 80 million deficit i understand

01:56:53.679 --> 01:56:56.679
that  from the last few months

01:56:57.040 --> 01:57:00.040
discussion on this  subject I have

01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.215
been told with my colleagues on many

01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:05.736
occasions that we are at the end of our

01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:07.496
efficiencies we're doing our best

01:57:07.520 --> 01:57:10.135
there's not much more we can do well can

01:57:10.159 --> 01:57:13.159
I suggest to you if we've got to find 

01:57:13.360 --> 01:57:15.896
an $80 million deficit or reduce it or

01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.056
manage it over the next 10 years we

01:57:18.080 --> 01:57:20.856
better start working on efficiencies and

01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:23.880
how we're going to do more I believe

01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:26.920
that  we can do more we need to do

01:57:27.360 --> 01:57:29.095
things differently than we've done in

01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:30.936
the past rather than just adding a

01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:33.960
percentage to everyone's rate every year

01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:37.960
and in that case and I say to you I

01:57:39.360 --> 01:57:42.215
believe we should have a rates freeze 

01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:44.135
alongside the city of Melbourne and

01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:46.135
other councils who are endeavoring to do

01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:48.456
that If that's the starting point we've

01:57:48.480 --> 01:57:50.376
got a good chance of getting there Our

01:57:50.400 --> 01:57:52.215
starting point is well we'll go to the

01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:54.376
the rates cap and I don't agree with it

01:57:54.400 --> 01:57:57.400
and I can't support the budget Thank you

01:57:58.000 --> 01:57:59.575
 who else would like to speak

01:57:59.599 --> 01:58:02.056
councelor Hardy

01:58:02.080 --> 01:58:05.080
I with my fellow councilors  commend

01:58:05.119 --> 01:58:07.175
the work that our officers have put into

01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:09.655
this budget but with my colleague

01:58:09.679 --> 01:58:12.679
councel me I disagree with parts of it I

01:58:13.040 --> 01:58:15.976
certainly do disagree with the 3% rates

01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:18.575
increase which is at the top of the

01:58:18.599 --> 01:58:21.336
government's state government's ceiling

01:58:21.360 --> 01:58:23.736
we undergoing an election at the moment

01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:26.416
and the Labor party top billing cost of

01:58:26.440 --> 01:58:29.440
living Liberal party top billing cost of

01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:33.159
living the Greens the bottom billy is

01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:35.456
tackle the cost of

01:58:35.480 --> 01:58:38.480
living Local government should recognize

01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:42.520
the cost of living crisis at the moment

01:58:42.639 --> 01:58:44.095
the budget

01:58:44.119 --> 01:58:47.119
 includes the reallocation of

01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:50.880
$450,000 from the Silda Festival It's

01:58:51.040 --> 01:58:53.296
not a saving it's a

01:58:53.320 --> 01:58:55.496
reallocation I agree that the draft

01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:57.655
budget be released for public digestion

01:58:57.679 --> 01:59:00.615
and comment I urge the rate payers

01:59:00.639 --> 01:59:03.336
because this is your budget It has might

01:59:03.360 --> 01:59:05.655
have been made up and decided by us but

01:59:05.679 --> 01:59:08.536
this is your budget to comment on and to

01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:11.175
get back to your counselor to see if you

01:59:11.199 --> 01:59:14.199
agree or disagree with it

01:59:14.639 --> 01:59:17.175
With the current cost of living crisis

01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:19.416
the unknown financial future due to the

01:59:19.440 --> 01:59:21.655
actions of the US government and the

01:59:21.679 --> 01:59:23.575
community and this council must pitch

01:59:23.599 --> 01:59:26.599
together to the ease the burden on the

01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:29.175
rate payers that are affected mostly by

01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:31.575
it I'm at the Albert Park ward I have

01:59:31.599 --> 01:59:34.215
many people who have lived in the ward

01:59:34.239 --> 01:59:35.655
all their lives and raised their

01:59:35.679 --> 01:59:37.655
children they suddenly find well they

01:59:37.679 --> 01:59:39.416
haven't suddenly but over the last 10 or

01:59:39.440 --> 01:59:40.936
15 years they found themselves in

01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:43.736
properties that worth $2.5 to $3 million

01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:46.016
and they're trying to survive on an aged

01:59:46.040 --> 01:59:49.040
pension It's not their fault they really

01:59:49.440 --> 01:59:52.440
hurt with the cost of living crisis so

01:59:53.080 --> 01:59:56.080
again this council must and I do agree

01:59:57.599 --> 02:00:00.599
with a 12 months rates freeze It allows

02:00:01.280 --> 02:00:04.280
the council to look inside and outside

02:00:04.719 --> 02:00:07.575
at its functions and its infrastructure

02:00:07.599 --> 02:00:10.599
and the funding of organizations that we

02:00:11.280 --> 02:00:14.280
support

02:00:15.599 --> 02:00:18.456
 would anyone else like to speak to

02:00:18.480 --> 02:00:20.896
the

02:00:20.920 --> 02:00:23.296
motion

02:00:23.320 --> 02:00:26.320
no  I will if Yep

02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:30.296
You know it's a very interesting start

02:00:30.320 --> 02:00:33.320
to the one term ago we did our first

02:00:34.639 --> 02:00:36.695
budget in a pandemic which was all about

02:00:36.719 --> 02:00:39.456
keeping us apart for our

02:00:39.480 --> 02:00:42.480
safety  I think we were sitting in the

02:00:42.719 --> 02:00:45.016
town hall meters apart from each other

02:00:45.040 --> 02:00:46.536
and what's interesting now doing this

02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:49.095
council plan and budgets it's all about

02:00:49.119 --> 02:00:51.896
trying to bring us together

02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:53.615
 you

02:00:53.639 --> 02:00:56.135
know I think there's many things that

02:00:56.159 --> 02:00:57.976
have happened in between the pandemic is

02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:00.536
one particular set of circstances but

02:01:00.560 --> 02:01:02.856
I do think the ongoing social media and

02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:05.416
algorithms and on our phones and screens

02:01:05.440 --> 02:01:07.655
is kind of dividing us and there's a

02:01:07.679 --> 02:01:10.135
whole lot obviously further externals

02:01:10.159 --> 02:01:13.159
affecting us so I do think that this

02:01:13.920 --> 02:01:16.615
budget and this plan is looking for how

02:01:16.639 --> 02:01:19.016
we as a council can support community to

02:01:19.040 --> 02:01:20.456
come together and that might be really

02:01:20.480 --> 02:01:23.256
small things like fencing off a dog park

02:01:23.280 --> 02:01:24.856
or it might be really big things like

02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:27.575
buying a a  big open space where

02:01:27.599 --> 02:01:30.599
sports and passive recreation can happen

02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:33.575
because how we people come together in

02:01:33.599 --> 02:01:36.296
our communities is is vast sometimes

02:01:36.320 --> 02:01:38.135
it's meeting in the pub for a drink

02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:41.159
Often it's  going to our libraries or

02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:43.655
using the public realm where it's

02:01:43.679 --> 02:01:44.695
affordable where there's other people

02:01:44.719 --> 02:01:46.296
around it sometimes it's going to large

02:01:46.320 --> 02:01:47.816
scale music festivals that they can't

02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:49.575
afford in any while and being part of an

02:01:49.599 --> 02:01:52.599
experience they will never get or could

02:01:52.880 --> 02:01:55.416
 experience  we don't know It's it's

02:01:55.440 --> 02:01:56.936
lots of different ways and that's why

02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:58.776
there's such a wide range of things that

02:01:58.800 --> 02:02:01.800
we as a council  fund  as we've

02:02:03.119 --> 02:02:05.095
mentioned specific pullouts that a lot

02:02:05.119 --> 02:02:06.456
of the counselors are really proud of

02:02:06.480 --> 02:02:09.480
But I I do think that it is really

02:02:09.599 --> 02:02:11.256
interesting to see where you come in

02:02:11.280 --> 02:02:13.175
four years and where the focus is and I

02:02:13.199 --> 02:02:15.976
think there's more focus on people and

02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:18.215
services as opposed to infrastructure

02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:19.896
than there was Not to say that we you

02:02:19.920 --> 02:02:21.175
know the great thing about this budget

02:02:21.199 --> 02:02:22.536
is is going to deliver a lot of the

02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:24.456
things that were set in place last term

02:02:24.480 --> 02:02:26.376
like more open space in Balaclava and

02:02:26.400 --> 02:02:28.536
Sinclair East so there'll be delivery of

02:02:28.560 --> 02:02:30.695
some of the things that were put in were

02:02:30.719 --> 02:02:33.719
were started I do want to address  one

02:02:34.560 --> 02:02:36.695
of the challenges is that in the last

02:02:36.719 --> 02:02:39.256
four years actually rate payers have

02:02:39.280 --> 02:02:41.976
they've actually really tried to address

02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.215
 to give them a win as well But when

02:02:44.239 --> 02:02:45.256
we talk about rate payers that's

02:02:45.280 --> 02:02:48.280
everyone in our community cuz renters

02:02:48.639 --> 02:02:51.575
pay rates too via their rent so when I

02:02:51.599 --> 02:02:52.936
really hate the term rate payers I think

02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:55.960
it should be residents so  the good

02:02:56.080 --> 02:02:59.080
news is that we actually 

02:02:59.880 --> 02:03:02.135
we the government has baked in state

02:03:02.159 --> 02:03:03.416
government has baked in there's always a

02:03:03.440 --> 02:03:04.936
reduction in rate so that's automatic

02:03:04.960 --> 02:03:06.376
every year you are actually already

02:03:06.400 --> 02:03:09.336
getting a cap on it we also introduced a

02:03:09.360 --> 02:03:11.496
wage charge which tried to redistribute

02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:13.016
to some of the properties that are worth

02:03:13.040 --> 02:03:15.095
more compared to most of the properties

02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:17.095
in the city and that is a strange quirk

02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:19.976
of our particular  housing mix and and

02:03:20.000 --> 02:03:21.976
that's not going away we actually did

02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:24.456
give a discount of 0.25% 25% one year

02:03:24.480 --> 02:03:26.056
But do you think anyone noticed no But

02:03:26.080 --> 02:03:27.655
you've actually had we went to

02:03:27.679 --> 02:03:29.416
differential rates which we distributed

02:03:29.440 --> 02:03:31.336
between commercial industrial and

02:03:31.360 --> 02:03:33.655
residential so you've actually had a win

02:03:33.679 --> 02:03:35.575
the challenge is that rates are based on

02:03:35.599 --> 02:03:37.575
property value price increase compared

02:03:37.599 --> 02:03:39.016
to everything else and some people's

02:03:39.040 --> 02:03:40.376
properties are rising at a much higher

02:03:40.400 --> 02:03:42.215
rate than everyone else's and that's a

02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:44.776
challenge that's not going away I do

02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.175
want to say though we have one of the

02:03:47.199 --> 02:03:49.175
most generous support packages If you

02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:52.199
need financial help it is there for

02:03:52.239 --> 02:03:53.976
people like  councilor Hardy mentioned

02:03:54.000 --> 02:03:55.976
in Albert Park If they're on a pension

02:03:56.000 --> 02:03:57.175
now they don't have to pay their rates

02:03:57.199 --> 02:03:59.095
they can put it against their property

02:03:59.119 --> 02:04:00.856
noting that sometimes the cash flow is

02:04:00.880 --> 02:04:02.615
really hard but their property has also

02:04:02.639 --> 02:04:04.215
increased where others haven't so it's

02:04:04.239 --> 02:04:06.256
it's about balancing and being

02:04:06.280 --> 02:04:08.695
reasonable  some of the rent when we

02:04:08.719 --> 02:04:10.936
did give a rent increase it was $10 and

02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:12.695
I don't think many renters got that

02:04:12.719 --> 02:04:14.776
passed on to them from their landlords

02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:16.456
so I think we have to look at the bigger

02:04:16.480 --> 02:04:18.296
picture there are some people who are

02:04:18.320 --> 02:04:19.736
really lucky to own property in the city

02:04:19.760 --> 02:04:21.095
and there's a lot of people that don't

02:04:21.119 --> 02:04:22.536
and we actually I don't think this

02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:25.256
budget really recognizes them in this

02:04:25.280 --> 02:04:28.215
equation and it's about 50% of the city

02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:30.056
so look we need to be innovative we need

02:04:30.080 --> 02:04:32.135
to look at things but we also need to

02:04:32.159 --> 02:04:35.159
realize that what we provide is is 

02:04:35.199 --> 02:04:37.175
your rates Thank you for paying them

02:04:37.199 --> 02:04:39.175
It's your contribution to being keeping

02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:41.816
the city fabulous really U whether it's

02:04:41.840 --> 02:04:43.256
through your rent or it's through direct

02:04:43.280 --> 02:04:44.856
rate payment and yes some of you

02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:47.416
contribute more and we appreciate it But

02:04:47.440 --> 02:04:50.440
we're also not in debt to $270 million

02:04:51.280 --> 02:04:54.135
we are  we are able to fund a large

02:04:54.159 --> 02:04:55.816
percentage of what we want and we

02:04:55.840 --> 02:04:57.816
provide good facilities and we are

02:04:57.840 --> 02:05:00.296
always looking to do better so thank you

02:05:00.320 --> 02:05:02.376
again for paying your rates This is a

02:05:02.400 --> 02:05:04.215
reasonable rate rise I I don't want to

02:05:04.239 --> 02:05:06.776
deal in the fantasy that there is not

02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:09.800
huge cuts that come with not taking it I

02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:12.056
also have not heard from counselors or

02:05:12.080 --> 02:05:13.736
community that they ever want less of

02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:16.456
something they always want more they

02:05:16.480 --> 02:05:18.456
want more dog parks they want more

02:05:18.480 --> 02:05:20.376
cleaning they want more money for

02:05:20.400 --> 02:05:23.400
whatever it might be we don't hear "Oh

02:05:23.520 --> 02:05:25.016
we don't want that anymore." No you

02:05:25.040 --> 02:05:27.416
can't get you know you can't even close

02:05:27.440 --> 02:05:29.256
a small library that really a very small

02:05:29.280 --> 02:05:31.256
percentage of the population use because

02:05:31.280 --> 02:05:32.776
they don't want to lose it so we

02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:35.416
actually only ever hear more and in

02:05:35.440 --> 02:05:36.776
order to do that we need to take the

02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:39.496
reasonable rate rise and we need to look

02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:42.135
for obviously efficiencies and I'm

02:05:42.159 --> 02:05:43.336
looking forward to if there are any

02:05:43.360 --> 02:05:45.416
innovative ways to  get more revenue

02:05:45.440 --> 02:05:48.440
I'm yet to find those  and when a cost

02:05:48.480 --> 02:05:50.695
of living crisis I think we need to

02:05:50.719 --> 02:05:52.695
acknowledge that there is for those

02:05:52.719 --> 02:05:54.296
people really suffering we have a very

02:05:54.320 --> 02:05:56.856
generous program Reach out to us we are

02:05:56.880 --> 02:05:58.215
there to help the people who are

02:05:58.239 --> 02:05:59.816
genuinely in need and we give the

02:05:59.840 --> 02:06:01.695
highest discount rate to

02:06:01.719 --> 02:06:04.135
pensioners so I want to deal in reality

02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:05.416
I want to thank councils for the

02:06:05.440 --> 02:06:06.695
respectful way that we've had this

02:06:06.719 --> 02:06:08.456
process thanks to officers But I do want

02:06:08.480 --> 02:06:10.615
to deal in reality the reality is our

02:06:10.639 --> 02:06:12.296
community is asking us to do more at

02:06:12.320 --> 02:06:13.655
this moment in time to bring them

02:06:13.679 --> 02:06:15.816
together and that might be particularly

02:06:15.840 --> 02:06:18.215
community safety investing more to get

02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:20.936
the outcomes we want and it may you know

02:06:20.960 --> 02:06:23.256
it might be whatever that looks like we

02:06:23.280 --> 02:06:25.175
don't know yet but our community is

02:06:25.199 --> 02:06:28.199
clearly saying we want to feel safe and

02:06:28.719 --> 02:06:30.456
what that looks like it might be the

02:06:30.480 --> 02:06:31.736
loneliness It might be around

02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:33.615
anti-semitism might be

02:06:33.639 --> 02:06:36.296
around more local laws I don't know It

02:06:36.320 --> 02:06:38.456
might be more animal management to stop

02:06:38.480 --> 02:06:40.296
those dogs off leash You know I don't

02:06:40.320 --> 02:06:41.496
know what that looks like but it's going

02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:43.416
to cost money and I think that right now

02:06:43.440 --> 02:06:45.256
community is clearly saying to us we

02:06:45.280 --> 02:06:46.936
want to feel safe we want to let

02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:48.376
continue to enjoy living in this

02:06:48.400 --> 02:06:51.095
community and so that this budget

02:06:51.119 --> 02:06:52.456
delivers on that and gives us

02:06:52.480 --> 02:06:54.215
opportunity to with some buckets of

02:06:54.239 --> 02:06:56.296
money to do more so I commend this

02:06:56.320 --> 02:06:58.776
budget to you

02:06:58.800 --> 02:07:01.496
Councelor Jay or Councelor Cunsolo do

02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:04.520
you want to speak to the Council Jay

02:07:08.079 --> 02:07:10.456
Cunsolo

02:07:10.480 --> 02:07:11.896
thank you I'll try not to repeat too

02:07:11.920 --> 02:07:13.336
many points some really good

02:07:13.360 --> 02:07:15.175
observations and  comments made

02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:16.936
tonight I definitely feel at an

02:07:16.960 --> 02:07:19.736
advantage being in my second term I've

02:07:19.760 --> 02:07:22.215
not had to upskill long contributing to

02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:25.175
this process as much  thank you to the

02:07:25.199 --> 02:07:27.416
officers An immense amount of work so

02:07:27.440 --> 02:07:29.095
thank you do take a long weekend to

02:07:29.119 --> 02:07:31.496
really  few public holidays in there

02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:34.055
to really reflect on this But also to my

02:07:34.079 --> 02:07:34.816
fellow

02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:37.175
counselors so impressed at this huge

02:07:37.199 --> 02:07:39.896
milestone how much everyone has been

02:07:39.920 --> 02:07:42.920
dedicated and asking for so much

02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:46.119
information and showing up and really

02:07:46.320 --> 02:07:49.175
being a part of this I'm so pleased and

02:07:49.199 --> 02:07:50.615
proud to be a part of this council with

02:07:50.639 --> 02:07:52.736
you so thank you for all your

02:07:52.760 --> 02:07:54.936
contributions  I think it's a good

02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:56.536
budget  it's done a little bit

02:07:56.560 --> 02:07:57.816
differently than we've done before where

02:07:57.840 --> 02:07:59.416
it seems that we have we have general

02:07:59.440 --> 02:08:01.175
uplifts in areas but we have these

02:08:01.199 --> 02:08:03.655
buckets of our key priorities and so

02:08:03.679 --> 02:08:05.175
those aren't filled yet and that's a

02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:06.936
really good opportunity here when we

02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:08.776
take this out to draft  for the

02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:11.800
community consultation to help inform

02:08:11.840 --> 02:08:13.976
 I think that we're all in alignment

02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:15.655
with a lot of this community vision

02:08:15.679 --> 02:08:17.896
including our panel had contributed to

02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:20.296
that it's now about what are these

02:08:20.320 --> 02:08:23.016
actions what are the ways to to make it

02:08:23.040 --> 02:08:25.655
happen so I encourage encourage people

02:08:25.679 --> 02:08:28.679
to get in  involved Please come to our

02:08:28.960 --> 02:08:31.960
sessions Please do the online sections

02:08:32.400 --> 02:08:34.856
that we can really take this opportunity

02:08:34.880 --> 02:08:36.936
to deliver on the community and vision

02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:38.896
community vision and our key

02:08:38.920 --> 02:08:41.175
priorities I'll leave it at that but

02:08:41.199 --> 02:08:43.816
thank you everybody for the process and

02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:45.496
obviously this is we're opening the

02:08:45.520 --> 02:08:47.336
gates of the community engagement and

02:08:47.360 --> 02:08:49.256
we'll come back in June and hear where

02:08:49.280 --> 02:08:51.976
it lands

02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:55.000
Okay  you can't speak again No but

02:08:55.280 --> 02:08:58.280
councelor Min can close us

02:08:58.719 --> 02:09:01.016
You know we're in this situation because

02:09:01.040 --> 02:09:02.695
of this perverse arrangement in

02:09:02.719 --> 02:09:04.456
Australia around vertical fiscal

02:09:04.480 --> 02:09:06.936
imbalance where local government despite

02:09:06.960 --> 02:09:09.496
the provision of all the services it has

02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:11.175
has the inability to actually raise the

02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:12.695
revenue it needs to deliver those

02:09:12.719 --> 02:09:14.536
services and that's why when we look at

02:09:14.560 --> 02:09:17.175
our long-term financial plan we see

02:09:17.199 --> 02:09:19.496
things like that deficit which I know we

02:09:19.520 --> 02:09:21.816
are working to try and address But what

02:09:21.840 --> 02:09:24.695
that means is that we need the revenue

02:09:24.719 --> 02:09:26.376
to be able to do the job and to deliver

02:09:26.400 --> 02:09:29.400
the services and many of us have spoken

02:09:29.599 --> 02:09:32.135
about particular areas of focus

02:09:32.159 --> 02:09:34.695
throughout  this budget and the

02:09:34.719 --> 02:09:37.095
council plan But remember this is a

02:09:37.119 --> 02:09:39.655
draft budget and one of the strengths in

02:09:39.679 --> 02:09:42.615
local government is its ability to

02:09:42.639 --> 02:09:44.776
receive committee input This is about

02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:47.175
opening the doors in terms of what is

02:09:47.199 --> 02:09:49.016
listed in the budget what is listed in

02:09:49.040 --> 02:09:50.856
the council plan and for that public

02:09:50.880 --> 02:09:53.016
commentary so we had reference to a

02:09:53.040 --> 02:09:55.695
couple of buckets of

02:09:55.719 --> 02:09:58.719
 around community safety and social

02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:01.575
cohesion and  culture in the arts

02:10:01.599 --> 02:10:03.496
these are buckets where we can receive

02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:05.575
those submissions to look at how better

02:10:05.599 --> 02:10:08.456
we can deliver those services From here

02:10:08.480 --> 02:10:11.480
an area of interest of mine is KPis and

02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:15.095
 performance measurement and that is a

02:10:15.119 --> 02:10:17.175
process that comes through once  the

02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:18.856
budget is finalized because measuring

02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:20.695
our performance and delivering to our

02:10:20.719 --> 02:10:23.496
community expectations is why we're here

02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:25.575
we are here to ensure that we meet the

02:10:25.599 --> 02:10:27.976
needs of our community and we have the

02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:30.135
resources to do that and we're doing it

02:10:30.159 --> 02:10:32.215
as effectively and efficiently as

02:10:32.239 --> 02:10:33.896
possible the challenge in local

02:10:33.920 --> 02:10:35.416
government the challenges in local

02:10:35.440 --> 02:10:37.256
government have not changed since I

02:10:37.280 --> 02:10:40.215
first entered this sector in 2005 What

02:10:40.239 --> 02:10:42.695
we need to do is use the H cards we

02:10:42.719 --> 02:10:44.776
dealt with and deliver the best services

02:10:44.800 --> 02:10:47.416
we can for the community Once again I

02:10:47.440 --> 02:10:49.655
commend  this budget I commend the

02:10:49.679 --> 02:10:51.816
council plan and I thank  my fellow

02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:53.976
councilors for their views on this and

02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:56.536
the process as well and welcome what

02:10:56.560 --> 02:10:58.536
will inevitably be the committee input

02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:01.560
and your feedback as well Thank you

02:11:02.159 --> 02:11:04.376
Okay so now we're going to go to voting

02:11:04.400 --> 02:11:05.896
so the first section that we're voting

02:11:05.920 --> 02:11:08.135
on is I can't receive part one which is

02:11:08.159 --> 02:11:11.095
3.1 and 3.2 is that correct yep so

02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:13.416
councilors we're going to take a vote on

02:11:13.440 --> 02:11:14.936
so I don't I'm just checking and I don't

02:11:14.960 --> 02:11:16.456
need to get another mover in second so

02:11:16.480 --> 02:11:17.655
we're just going to vote on this part so

02:11:17.679 --> 02:11:19.896
we've had so councelor Min and Councelor

02:11:19.920 --> 02:11:22.920
Buckim so all those in favor of part one

02:11:25.440 --> 02:11:28.055
and is that everyone yeah Great That's

02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:31.079
unanimous Are those against is that

02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:33.575
and all is against sorry was Betty Was

02:11:33.599 --> 02:11:35.896
Betty in favor

02:11:35.920 --> 02:11:38.920
 or not no I'll be abstaining Thank

02:11:39.360 --> 02:11:41.575
you mayor You'll abstain on that one so

02:11:41.599 --> 02:11:43.095
all those in I'll just do that again so

02:11:43.119 --> 02:11:46.119
all those in favor and  and and then

02:11:46.639 --> 02:11:49.639
all those against and one abstension

02:11:51.599 --> 02:11:53.175
Yeah you can cuz I didn't finish the

02:11:53.199 --> 02:11:54.456
vote properly the first time so you want

02:11:54.480 --> 02:11:56.695
a division okay we're going to do a

02:11:56.719 --> 02:11:58.376
division all right here we go again all

02:11:58.400 --> 02:12:01.175
those in favor of part one

02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:03.416
 councelor Buckingham councelor Conolo

02:12:03.440 --> 02:12:05.256
councelor Holidayiday councelor Hardy

02:12:05.280 --> 02:12:06.856
councelor Crawford councelor Min

02:12:06.880 --> 02:12:08.776
councelor Mearsz councelor Tamman all

02:12:08.800 --> 02:12:11.800
those against an abstension councelor J

02:12:12.880 --> 02:12:15.880
all right Now we're moving on to this is

02:12:15.920 --> 02:12:18.856
the specific point which is I can't see

02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:21.880
it What number what is it formally

02:12:25.040 --> 02:12:27.055
part 2

02:12:27.079 --> 02:12:30.079
a reference to 3.21 21 which is the

02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:33.159
reference to the 3% rates  leveraging

02:12:34.000 --> 02:12:36.695
all right so again  I might just do it

02:12:36.719 --> 02:12:37.976
under division Should I just do under

02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:39.575
division to start with let's do that all

02:12:39.599 --> 02:12:42.599
right so all those in favor of part 2 A

02:12:44.320 --> 02:12:45.736
so it's councelor Buckingham councelor

02:12:45.760 --> 02:12:47.496
Consol councelor Holidayiday councelor

02:12:47.520 --> 02:12:49.615
Crawford councelor Min councelor 

02:12:49.639 --> 02:12:52.639
Tamman all those against councelor Hardy

02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:55.880
councelor Mears and Betty Are you no I

02:12:57.840 --> 02:13:00.055
shall I I'll shall abstain mayor Thank

02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:03.079
you Okay so  and one

02:13:04.599 --> 02:13:07.599
abstension Now we're moving on to  the

02:13:07.840 --> 02:13:09.896
more substantive part of part two which

02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:11.575
has got a whole lot of points under it

02:13:11.599 --> 02:13:14.095
so this is part

02:13:14.119 --> 02:13:16.615
2B so I'll do it under vision I might as

02:13:16.639 --> 02:13:19.095
well do the whole lot under division 

02:13:19.119 --> 02:13:21.816
all right here we go all those in favor

02:13:21.840 --> 02:13:24.840
Councelor Tamman Councelor M Councelor

02:13:24.880 --> 02:13:26.615
Min Councelor Crawford Councelor Hardy

02:13:26.639 --> 02:13:28.856
Councelor Holidayiday Councelor Consol

02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:31.880
Councelor Buckingham all those against

02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:35.239
and one abstension Councelor J  okay

02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:40.199
so if we could scroll up please

02:13:47.119 --> 02:13:49.416
 to the next section which is what

02:13:49.440 --> 02:13:52.440
part three

02:13:56.320 --> 02:13:57.896
Scroll down No we need to go No no we

02:13:57.920 --> 02:14:00.615
need to go up because we're going to

02:14:00.639 --> 02:14:02.936
part three

02:14:02.960 --> 02:14:04.376
Move the words sorry Part three This is

02:14:04.400 --> 02:14:05.896
where we're up to folks so this is like

02:14:05.920 --> 02:14:07.816
where we pull out some of the items all

02:14:07.840 --> 02:14:09.655
right everyone's clear on that section

02:14:09.679 --> 02:14:12.679
Let's go to the vote by  division all

02:14:13.520 --> 02:14:15.736
those in favor councilman councelor M

02:14:15.760 --> 02:14:17.736
councelor M councelor Crawford councelor

02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:20.296
Holidayiday councelor Cunsolo councelor

02:14:20.320 --> 02:14:23.320
Buckingham all those against councelor

02:14:23.800 --> 02:14:26.800
Hardy and  councelor Jay to abstain

02:14:27.920 --> 02:14:30.920
Thank you

02:14:32.239 --> 02:14:35.239
Right moving to part

02:14:37.480 --> 02:14:39.496
four so this is talking about some of

02:14:39.520 --> 02:14:40.936
the infrastructure like south Melbourne

02:14:40.960 --> 02:14:42.695
market we're clear on what section we're

02:14:42.719 --> 02:14:45.256
on Let's do this again all those in

02:14:45.280 --> 02:14:47.816
favor Councelor Tamman councelor Mears

02:14:47.840 --> 02:14:50.135
councelor Min Councelor Crawford

02:14:50.159 --> 02:14:52.376
Councelor Hardy Councelor Holidayiday

02:14:52.400 --> 02:14:54.575
Councelor Cunsolo and Councelor

02:14:54.599 --> 02:14:57.599
Buckingham all those against and one

02:14:57.760 --> 02:14:59.856
abstension councelor

02:14:59.880 --> 02:15:02.376
Jay and then there is is there one more

02:15:02.400 --> 02:15:05.400
part

02:15:10.239 --> 02:15:12.215
that's it so there's no part five Part

02:15:12.239 --> 02:15:13.736
five there is part five sorry it's not

02:15:13.760 --> 02:15:15.336
moving on the screen there so I can't

02:15:15.360 --> 02:15:18.360
see

02:15:18.400 --> 02:15:20.215
Why is it not moving on your screen

02:15:20.239 --> 02:15:23.239
James

02:15:23.280 --> 02:15:25.496
that's weird is it stuck out there as

02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:27.655
well does it matter can we see what part

02:15:27.679 --> 02:15:29.816
five is yep

02:15:29.840 --> 02:15:31.256
Can you tell me what it heads because I

02:15:31.280 --> 02:15:34.215
can't Culative cash surplus of 0.52

02:15:34.239 --> 02:15:37.095
million Okay great Thank you Oh there it

02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:39.615
is now Okay part five Let's do that

02:15:39.639 --> 02:15:42.456
again all those in favor I'm going to go

02:15:42.480 --> 02:15:43.976
a different direction Councelor Crawford

02:15:44.000 --> 02:15:45.655
councelor Hardy councelor Holidayiday

02:15:45.679 --> 02:15:47.496
councelor Consol councelor Buckingham

02:15:47.520 --> 02:15:49.816
councelor Min Councelor M Councelor

02:15:49.840 --> 02:15:52.840
Thomann all those against and abstension

02:15:53.119 --> 02:15:54.416
councelor

02:15:54.440 --> 02:15:57.440
J and then part

02:15:59.800 --> 02:16:01.856
six which

02:16:01.880 --> 02:16:04.376
is I wish I had it in front of me What's

02:16:04.400 --> 02:16:07.400
part six that's the process Oh this is

02:16:08.400 --> 02:16:10.296
the process and what's important to note

02:16:10.320 --> 02:16:13.320
here is the plan the inclusion of the

02:16:14.079 --> 02:16:16.695
healthy wellbe Yeah the health plan

02:16:16.719 --> 02:16:18.135
What's important here though is to note

02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:20.055
that there will be a special hearing to

02:16:20.079 --> 02:16:21.655
for budget submissions and this is your

02:16:21.679 --> 02:16:23.175
only opportunity to come and submit to

02:16:23.199 --> 02:16:26.199
us and that is on the 16th of May is

02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:30.055
that right 13th 13th of May and then the

02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:32.535
budget adoption is on a Monday the 23rd

02:16:32.559 --> 02:16:35.559
of June Okay councilors let's vote this

02:16:35.679 --> 02:16:38.615
one in or out  all those in favor

02:16:38.639 --> 02:16:40.615
councelor Buckingham councelor Cunsolo

02:16:40.639 --> 02:16:42.375
councelor Holidayiday councelor Hardy

02:16:42.399 --> 02:16:44.136
councelor Crawford councelor Min

02:16:44.160 --> 02:16:46.655
councelor Mears councelor Thomann all those

02:16:46.679 --> 02:16:49.679
against  and councelor Jay to

02:16:50.359 --> 02:16:52.936
abstain and is that the last section i

02:16:52.960 --> 02:16:55.960
can't It is all

02:16:56.200 --> 02:16:59.200
right well done councilors Let's move

02:16:59.519 --> 02:17:02.136
through these last next after quite a

02:17:02.160 --> 02:17:05.160
lengthy period  okay we're at 13.2 2

02:17:05.439 --> 02:17:06.615
which is the conservation management

02:17:06.639 --> 02:17:08.535
plan for the Port Melbourne Town Hall

02:17:08.559 --> 02:17:11.535
Councilors do we have any questions for

02:17:11.559 --> 02:17:14.335
officers councelor

02:17:14.359 --> 02:17:17.359
Holidayiday  thank you Mayor the I I

02:17:18.880 --> 02:17:21.816
just mentioned  this kind of 

02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:23.575
infrastructure

02:17:23.599 --> 02:17:26.599
 redevelopment re you know fixing up

02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:30.216
 burden that we have

02:17:30.240 --> 02:17:33.240
Are we anticipating significant  costs

02:17:34.080 --> 02:17:37.080
involved in the  restoration of Port

02:17:38.160 --> 02:17:41.160
Melbourne Town Hall  over the next

02:17:41.519 --> 02:17:43.256
decade

02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:45.976
i am sure Lachlan Johnson Oh no no sorry

02:17:46.000 --> 02:17:47.655
Anthony Savnikov would love to answer

02:17:47.679 --> 02:17:50.575
that for

02:17:50.599 --> 02:17:53.599
you through you may

02:17:54.359 --> 02:17:57.176
 the investment that will be required

02:17:57.200 --> 02:17:59.096
in the town hall and what we'll be

02:17:59.120 --> 02:18:00.936
planning to spend will be subject to an

02:18:00.960 --> 02:18:02.615
asset management plan for this

02:18:02.639 --> 02:18:03.856
particular

02:18:03.880 --> 02:18:06.880
building  the good news is

02:18:07.000 --> 02:18:09.655
that one part of this conservation

02:18:09.679 --> 02:18:11.976
management plan work was to assess the

02:18:12.000 --> 02:18:15.000
condition of the building the assessment

02:18:16.160 --> 02:18:19.160
 concluded that in terms of structure

02:18:19.599 --> 02:18:21.495
 the building's in fair condition it

02:18:21.519 --> 02:18:24.519
does have  the particular issue of the

02:18:24.639 --> 02:18:26.375
leaning of the tower and that's

02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:28.936
something that's being monitored  and

02:18:28.960 --> 02:18:30.695
there will is some work planned to

02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:33.256
further investigate that It also noted

02:18:33.280 --> 02:18:35.976
that in terms of the heritage fab fabric

02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:38.856
there were some  relatively small

02:18:38.880 --> 02:18:41.856
localized issues 

02:18:41.880 --> 02:18:44.695
specifically the roof was  towards the

02:18:44.719 --> 02:18:47.056
end of its life

02:18:47.080 --> 02:18:50.080
 the water was  creeping into the

02:18:50.559 --> 02:18:53.559
masonry through the parapits and there

02:18:53.599 --> 02:18:56.599
was some internal cracks in the building

02:18:57.280 --> 02:18:59.575
 and that seemed to be because of that

02:18:59.599 --> 02:19:02.056
water entry and because of some

02:19:02.080 --> 02:19:04.495
structural

02:19:04.519 --> 02:19:06.856
movement Most of these things there's

02:19:06.880 --> 02:19:09.816
plans to address them already  as part

02:19:09.840 --> 02:19:12.695
of  projects that are that are planned

02:19:12.719 --> 02:19:15.719
by city of Port Phillip

02:19:16.880 --> 02:19:19.176
 cancel tomorrow

02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:20.455
Obviously this is a very very

02:19:20.479 --> 02:19:22.535
comprehensive plan so how often do we

02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:23.896
have to do one of those and how much

02:19:23.920 --> 02:19:26.776
actually  it cost to actually do

02:19:26.800 --> 02:19:28.976
something like

02:19:29.000 --> 02:19:32.000
that as noted in the report  the cost

02:19:32.240 --> 02:19:35.240
of undertaking this exercise was about

02:19:35.639 --> 02:19:38.639
$70,000  plus officer time Keep in

02:19:39.519 --> 02:19:42.519
mind that  the deliverable was not

02:19:42.639 --> 02:19:44.776
just the report itself but there were

02:19:44.800 --> 02:19:47.176
other investigations that went into it

02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:49.896
so condition assessments  and other

02:19:49.920 --> 02:19:52.455
assessments that will be used not just

02:19:52.479 --> 02:19:54.455
for the conservation management plan but

02:19:54.479 --> 02:19:57.479
for our overall understanding of the of

02:19:57.760 --> 02:19:59.736
the facility and for managing that

02:19:59.760 --> 02:20:02.295
facility so a significant part is work

02:20:02.319 --> 02:20:04.136
that we would have undertaken anyway

02:20:04.160 --> 02:20:05.816
even if we didn't do the conservation

02:20:05.840 --> 02:20:08.840
management plan  how often do we do it

02:20:09.359 --> 02:20:11.736
the last time we did this particular

02:20:11.760 --> 02:20:14.760
building was about 25 years ago  and

02:20:16.080 --> 02:20:19.080
we we don't  we we tend to aim to do a

02:20:20.000 --> 02:20:22.295
building of such significance every 10

02:20:22.319 --> 02:20:25.319
to 15 years or so

02:20:27.439 --> 02:20:30.439
any council CEOs

02:20:32.080 --> 02:20:35.080
through you may I just wanted to clarify

02:20:35.439 --> 02:20:36.616
in terms of the question we had

02:20:36.640 --> 02:20:39.496
previously around  what's planned over

02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:41.976
the next 10 years we have got budget

02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:44.776
planned for some items we won't know the

02:20:44.800 --> 02:20:46.856
full scale of investment until the team

02:20:46.880 --> 02:20:48.455
finishes the broader asset management

02:20:48.479 --> 02:20:50.936
plan and some of the work that we've

02:20:50.960 --> 02:20:53.016
been doing around the structural issues

02:20:53.040 --> 02:20:56.040
around the tower and  the facade so

02:20:56.080 --> 02:20:58.776
there I'd say while there is some budget

02:20:58.800 --> 02:21:01.176
allocated and that that means we are

02:21:01.200 --> 02:21:02.576
planning for the

02:21:02.600 --> 02:21:04.936
renewal until we finish that asset

02:21:04.960 --> 02:21:06.616
management plan we won't be able to 

02:21:06.640 --> 02:21:08.696
give you shorty around how much more

02:21:08.720 --> 02:21:11.720
might be needed

02:21:12.720 --> 02:21:15.720
Council Holiday just just to be super

02:21:16.160 --> 02:21:19.160
clear here for  you know future

02:21:19.760 --> 02:21:21.576
generations who look back at this video

02:21:21.600 --> 02:21:23.736
wondering where we where we were at this

02:21:23.760 --> 02:21:26.536
stage so we would anticipate for example

02:21:26.560 --> 02:21:29.016
possibly asbestous in the roof and

02:21:29.040 --> 02:21:31.496
possibly having to do  structural

02:21:31.520 --> 02:21:34.520
works around  the structural integrity

02:21:34.720 --> 02:21:37.335
of the building for is it earthquake

02:21:37.359 --> 02:21:39.736
seismic activity Are these the sorts of

02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:42.760
things that we might anticipate

02:21:42.880 --> 02:21:45.880
i see over the long term yes within the

02:21:46.640 --> 02:21:49.640
next 10 years will depend and how we

02:21:50.240 --> 02:21:52.936
space out that investment to smooth it

02:21:52.960 --> 02:21:55.016
out will will come through the asset

02:21:55.040 --> 02:21:57.096
management plan which and the broader

02:21:57.120 --> 02:22:00.056
asset condition work that we're doing 

02:22:00.080 --> 02:22:01.496
I think you know we're trying to get

02:22:01.520 --> 02:22:02.616
ahead of this and this is why the

02:22:02.640 --> 02:22:04.136
consmation management plan's happening

02:22:04.160 --> 02:22:05.496
and why we're doing an asset management

02:22:05.520 --> 02:22:06.776
plan for this particular building

02:22:06.800 --> 02:22:07.976
there's already some investment going

02:22:08.000 --> 02:22:10.936
into it they are old buildings  these

02:22:10.960 --> 02:22:12.216
town halls they've got heritage

02:22:12.240 --> 02:22:14.696
requirements around them they  they

02:22:14.720 --> 02:22:17.496
don't lend themselves to just being able

02:22:17.520 --> 02:22:18.736
to tick them

02:22:18.760 --> 02:22:21.496
over At some point in time there is a

02:22:21.520 --> 02:22:23.976
major investment that's required  in

02:22:24.000 --> 02:22:26.455
these buildings  that may not be in

02:22:26.479 --> 02:22:29.335
the next 10 years  but over the long

02:22:29.359 --> 02:22:31.256
run there will be significant investment

02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:33.976
required in in maintaining these kind of

02:22:34.000 --> 02:22:36.536
town halls  what we'll try and do is

02:22:36.560 --> 02:22:38.136
make sure we do that we maintain them

02:22:38.160 --> 02:22:41.160
the best we can and that we  we spread

02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:43.256
out that investment the best we best way

02:22:43.280 --> 02:22:44.776
we can to get best value for the

02:22:44.800 --> 02:22:47.800
community

02:22:47.840 --> 02:22:49.896
Council Hardy

02:22:49.920 --> 02:22:51.896
is the current condition of the building

02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:54.920
adverse to its sale

02:22:57.760 --> 02:23:00.760
 who's taking that one Anthony through

02:23:01.359 --> 02:23:03.096
you mayor we haven't considered selling

02:23:03.120 --> 02:23:04.976
this building because it's crown

02:23:05.000 --> 02:23:08.000
property not council owned Answers the

02:23:08.319 --> 02:23:10.936
question

02:23:10.960 --> 02:23:13.960
Okay  councelor Tan so obviously we

02:23:15.920 --> 02:23:17.576
are doing a lot of work at the south

02:23:17.600 --> 02:23:20.600
Melbourne market so did we do

02:23:21.120 --> 02:23:23.415
 a man maintenance plan like that for

02:23:23.439 --> 02:23:26.216
the south Melbourne market or sorry

02:23:26.240 --> 02:23:28.096
south Melbourne town hall or you know

02:23:28.120 --> 02:23:31.120
because or maybe where we didn't we do

02:23:31.680 --> 02:23:33.256
it and know we are in the position where

02:23:33.280 --> 02:23:35.096
we are where we have to fix everything

02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:38.120
at once and spend millions of dollars

02:23:38.640 --> 02:23:41.496
I see you I'll refer to Lachlan Johnson

02:23:41.520 --> 02:23:42.776
to give you a bit more detail I think

02:23:42.800 --> 02:23:44.576
the high level with

02:23:44.600 --> 02:23:47.600
 south Melbourne Town Hall like the

02:23:48.479 --> 02:23:50.496
the roofing issues that we're

02:23:50.520 --> 02:23:52.536
experienc to tell through normal

02:23:52.560 --> 02:23:55.560
inspections  because of the nature of

02:23:55.680 --> 02:23:57.335
the building and the and the roofing

02:23:57.359 --> 02:23:58.976
infrastructure

02:23:59.000 --> 02:24:02.000
 so difficult to plan for that in

02:24:02.319 --> 02:24:04.455
advance and then what's happened with

02:24:04.479 --> 02:24:06.375
the nature of the work that the extent

02:24:06.399 --> 02:24:07.856
of the work that's

02:24:07.880 --> 02:24:10.136
required is triggered a whole range of

02:24:10.160 --> 02:24:12.576
other work such as the seismic

02:24:12.600 --> 02:24:15.335
strengthening  now with the asbestos

02:24:15.359 --> 02:24:16.856
removal that we want to make sure that

02:24:16.880 --> 02:24:18.295
we're doing that really well and it's

02:24:18.319 --> 02:24:19.976
fit for purpose for the long for the

02:24:20.000 --> 02:24:23.000
long haul for the teny so in that

02:24:23.280 --> 02:24:25.335
particular case it triggered the scale

02:24:25.359 --> 02:24:27.176
It was hard to identify and then the

02:24:27.200 --> 02:24:28.856
scale of work that that's now triggered

02:24:28.880 --> 02:24:31.880
because of  modern standards that we

02:24:32.160 --> 02:24:35.056
have to upgrade to that sees that large

02:24:35.080 --> 02:24:37.896
investment Now I'll hand over to Lachlan

02:24:37.920 --> 02:24:39.896
Johnson to talk a bit more about what

02:24:39.920 --> 02:24:41.096
we've done in that space with

02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:42.536
conservation management plan and how

02:24:42.560 --> 02:24:43.576
we're looking at asset management

02:24:43.600 --> 02:24:46.600
planning for that building as well

02:24:47.600 --> 02:24:50.216
Thank you  through you may so further

02:24:50.240 --> 02:24:53.016
to what the CEO said so as part of

02:24:53.040 --> 02:24:55.256
entering into the agreement for lease

02:24:55.280 --> 02:24:57.096
with the Australian National Academy for

02:24:57.120 --> 02:24:59.736
music we've prepared a comprehensive

02:24:59.760 --> 02:25:01.816
asset management plan for the building

02:25:01.840 --> 02:25:04.536
over the entire life or planned life 

02:25:04.560 --> 02:25:07.560
of the lease with NAM that is a detailed

02:25:08.240 --> 02:25:10.295
docent  that is what we would like

02:25:10.319 --> 02:25:12.295
to get to for the Port Melbourne town

02:25:12.319 --> 02:25:13.656
hall of which the conservation

02:25:13.680 --> 02:25:16.056
management plan is the first step so in

02:25:16.080 --> 02:25:18.056
terms of ensuring that the south

02:25:18.080 --> 02:25:21.080
Melbourne town hall will be maintained

02:25:21.120 --> 02:25:22.856
 even through the lease arrangement

02:25:22.880 --> 02:25:25.880
that we ultimately enter into with  an

02:25:26.160 --> 02:25:28.295
am we've got confidence that the asset

02:25:28.319 --> 02:25:29.896
management approach that we're taking

02:25:29.920 --> 02:25:31.415
there will ensure that that building

02:25:31.439 --> 02:25:33.415
will stay for purpose for a long time

02:25:33.439 --> 02:25:36.439
into the future the works that council

02:25:36.479 --> 02:25:39.479
are doing and also the works that  and

02:25:39.680 --> 02:25:42.680
are doing are also referenced  back to

02:25:43.120 --> 02:25:45.415
the conservation management plan for the

02:25:45.439 --> 02:25:47.056
south Melbourne town hall which has been

02:25:47.080 --> 02:25:49.096
prepared all the works of the south

02:25:49.120 --> 02:25:51.176
Melbourne town south Melb town hall have

02:25:51.200 --> 02:25:53.335
been subject to heritage Victoria 

02:25:53.359 --> 02:25:55.896
review and approval and that's come down

02:25:55.920 --> 02:25:58.136
It's major structural major works to the

02:25:58.160 --> 02:26:00.056
building but also very minor things so

02:26:00.080 --> 02:26:02.536
there's heritage components that relate

02:26:02.560 --> 02:26:04.776
to the honor boards that exist within

02:26:04.800 --> 02:26:07.415
the south Melbourne Town Hall the carpet

02:26:07.439 --> 02:26:10.439
the curtains  the furniture  so the

02:26:11.200 --> 02:26:13.256
heritage plan that we have in place for

02:26:13.280 --> 02:26:14.936
the south Melbourne Town Hall is

02:26:14.960 --> 02:26:17.736
comprehensive

02:26:17.760 --> 02:26:20.056
Councilman

02:26:20.080 --> 02:26:23.080
just as a kind of a just to clarify so

02:26:23.359 --> 02:26:25.335
as a followup of councelor Hard's

02:26:25.359 --> 02:26:27.976
question so I think the south Melbourne

02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:31.000
we are on the south Melbourne town hall

02:26:31.040 --> 02:26:33.256
 because it used to belong to the city

02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:36.280
of south Melbourne  but and the I

02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:39.256
asse the Sinila town hall is crown

02:26:39.280 --> 02:26:42.280
land as well Yes I know

02:26:46.720 --> 02:26:48.536
all right so is the answer to that yes

02:26:48.560 --> 02:26:50.856
that's the question is St Kilda do we

02:26:50.880 --> 02:26:53.880
Lachlan so sorry I sorry I was talking

02:26:54.000 --> 02:26:57.000
to both  but   Mr Savov has just

02:26:57.520 --> 02:26:58.936
confirmed south Mountain town hall is

02:26:58.960 --> 02:27:00.375
not crown land so that's actually

02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:01.976
council land Was your question in

02:27:02.000 --> 02:27:05.000
regards to S Kilda Town Hall i might

02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:07.816
defer to Mr Savv he'll probably know off

02:27:07.840 --> 02:27:10.840
the top of his head

02:27:11.520 --> 02:27:13.096
I'm embarrassed to say I'll have to take

02:27:13.120 --> 02:27:16.120
that question on notice

02:27:16.720 --> 02:27:19.096
Okay Are we finished with questions then

02:27:19.120 --> 02:27:20.776
councilors so we are ready to move to a

02:27:20.800 --> 02:27:22.375
motion Happy to move Happy to move

02:27:22.399 --> 02:27:25.016
Council Min Council I was going to ask

02:27:25.040 --> 02:27:26.936
if we can sell the Sasbor tunnel because

02:27:26.960 --> 02:27:29.576
we are on it

02:27:29.600 --> 02:27:31.096
Okay

02:27:31.120 --> 02:27:32.455
Don't Let's not give anyone in the

02:27:32.479 --> 02:27:34.295
community heart attacks we are not

02:27:34.319 --> 02:27:37.176
selling the south Melbourne Town Hall 

02:27:37.200 --> 02:27:39.576
okay Councelor Min

02:27:39.600 --> 02:27:42.295
I grew up in Ringwood we the former city

02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:43.976
of Ringwood demolished its town hall

02:27:44.000 --> 02:27:47.000
back in the 1970s When we were looking

02:27:47.120 --> 02:27:49.496
at the redevelopment of or the

02:27:49.520 --> 02:27:51.016
progression of the Ringwood  town

02:27:51.040 --> 02:27:53.335
center one of the drawbacks of Ringwood

02:27:53.359 --> 02:27:55.496
was the lack of an iconic anchor

02:27:55.520 --> 02:27:58.136
building and it was basically the

02:27:58.160 --> 02:27:59.896
lamenting over the demolition of the

02:27:59.920 --> 02:28:02.136
town hall at that stage would have been

02:28:02.160 --> 02:28:05.016
35 years prior

02:28:05.040 --> 02:28:08.040
Town halls give our localities give our

02:28:08.240 --> 02:28:10.536
precincts the iconic venue the community

02:28:10.560 --> 02:28:12.856
use venue that really serves as an

02:28:12.880 --> 02:28:15.880
anchor for our community Yes they are

02:28:15.920 --> 02:28:18.920
not cheap but  they are very much the

02:28:19.439 --> 02:28:21.816
focal point of our communities and I

02:28:21.840 --> 02:28:24.056
commend the conservation management plan

02:28:24.080 --> 02:28:26.056
and I also note  the Port Melbourne

02:28:26.080 --> 02:28:28.375
Historical and Preservation society 

02:28:28.399 --> 02:28:30.536
had a range of input through the process

02:28:30.560 --> 02:28:32.455
of the draft conservation management

02:28:32.479 --> 02:28:34.776
plan and I identified that there was no

02:28:34.800 --> 02:28:36.536
further comments on their behalf as well

02:28:36.560 --> 02:28:38.455
so also wanted to use this chance just

02:28:38.479 --> 02:28:40.536
to commend the stakeholder involvement

02:28:40.560 --> 02:28:42.656
as well given they clearly are a key

02:28:42.680 --> 02:28:44.856
stakeholder these are assets for our

02:28:44.880 --> 02:28:47.880
communities Assets both in terms of the

02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:50.856
venue as well as also the usage within

02:28:50.880 --> 02:28:53.880
those facilities I commend this motion

02:28:54.399 --> 02:28:56.936
Councelor Consol

02:28:56.960 --> 02:28:59.016
Thank you That's a great reference point

02:28:59.040 --> 02:29:00.616
that you know we're very lucky to have

02:29:00.640 --> 02:29:02.536
it and I I think Bay Street's all the

02:29:02.560 --> 02:29:05.560
better for it  it is beautiful and an

02:29:06.160 --> 02:29:09.160
old asset It's very costly the evolution

02:29:09.359 --> 02:29:12.359
of our planning rules and building codes

02:29:12.479 --> 02:29:15.479
and seismic strengthening knowledge

02:29:15.680 --> 02:29:17.976
obviously adds a lot more to just

02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:20.616
keeping this building looking nice It we

02:29:20.640 --> 02:29:23.176
have to comply a lot more  so thank

02:29:23.200 --> 02:29:25.496
you also on this item for taking up the

02:29:25.520 --> 02:29:27.576
recommendation to update the plan

02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:29.736
because we have just redone some little

02:29:29.760 --> 02:29:31.976
renovation works within the library and

02:29:32.000 --> 02:29:35.000
at the  cystic assist counter

02:29:35.600 --> 02:29:37.176
 in general I don't think we operate

02:29:37.200 --> 02:29:38.536
out of the Port Melbourne town hall

02:29:38.560 --> 02:29:41.096
enough I think it's  unfortunate that

02:29:41.120 --> 02:29:43.736
we really do operate mostly out of 

02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:45.976
south  St Kilda and hopefully when

02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:47.496
south Melbourne's back online we'll find

02:29:47.520 --> 02:29:49.816
that sharing pattern a little bit more

02:29:49.840 --> 02:29:52.840
 I know that the journey's long for

02:29:53.760 --> 02:29:56.455
this to be but it's an ongoing one to

02:29:56.479 --> 02:29:58.776
always keep these buildings 

02:29:58.800 --> 02:30:01.496
maintained so I'm glad we've done this

02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:04.520
first step Council me

02:30:06.560 --> 02:30:09.496
 I think  councelor Min's comments

02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:12.056
are very appropriate and and all of a

02:30:12.080 --> 02:30:14.856
sudden I I went back in time and not

02:30:14.880 --> 02:30:17.880
Ringwood but  Brisbane  at a time

02:30:18.479 --> 02:30:21.479
when the state was run by a character

02:30:21.520 --> 02:30:24.520
called Joe Balkki Peterson he sent a a

02:30:26.080 --> 02:30:29.080
demolition team u the Dean brothers into

02:30:30.080 --> 02:30:33.080
the Belleview Hotel at 2:00 a.m one

02:30:33.520 --> 02:30:35.656
Sunday morning and they destroyed it and

02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:38.680
took it away their motto was  all we

02:30:38.800 --> 02:30:41.800
leave are the memories and the

02:30:41.840 --> 02:30:43.256
interesting thing about that is

02:30:43.280 --> 02:30:46.136
generations later people still remember

02:30:46.160 --> 02:30:49.160
the old Belleview Hotel and people cry

02:30:49.520 --> 02:30:51.415
about the fact that it's no longer there

02:30:51.439 --> 02:30:54.439
and I agree  we have something here

02:30:55.120 --> 02:30:58.120
that  can't be replaced in any way

02:30:58.319 --> 02:31:01.319
shape or form and it's  our heritage

02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:04.455
we must support it

02:31:04.479 --> 02:31:05.736
Any other councilors want to speak to

02:31:05.760 --> 02:31:08.760
the item councelor J

02:31:10.560 --> 02:31:13.560
 thank you Mayor  as someone who is

02:31:14.960 --> 02:31:16.696
in south Melbourne with the south

02:31:16.720 --> 02:31:18.696
Melbourne Town Hall and understands the

02:31:18.720 --> 02:31:21.720
mammoth task that it is I absolutely

02:31:22.560 --> 02:31:25.560
support this plan and would love to have

02:31:26.000 --> 02:31:28.696
one for all of our historic assets I'm

02:31:28.720 --> 02:31:31.335
not sure if that's a thing but  no

02:31:31.359 --> 02:31:33.496
just as we expect our landlords to keep

02:31:33.520 --> 02:31:35.415
their properties in good order or else

02:31:35.439 --> 02:31:37.496
we'll charge them more rates I think we

02:31:37.520 --> 02:31:40.520
can absolutely   keep our properties

02:31:40.960 --> 02:31:43.096
in good order and do what it takes so

02:31:43.120 --> 02:31:46.120
thank you

02:31:46.479 --> 02:31:49.096
Council Holiday we're all talking a lot

02:31:49.120 --> 02:31:51.455
tonight I'll be real quick

02:31:51.479 --> 02:31:54.479
 you know unlike Ringwood we are lousy

02:31:54.640 --> 02:31:57.096
with town halls by the looks of it  I

02:31:57.120 --> 02:32:00.120
think  that these are expensive assets

02:32:00.399 --> 02:32:03.335
and it it it is imperative that we make

02:32:03.359 --> 02:32:05.776
the most use of them

02:32:05.800 --> 02:32:08.616
 if we are underutilizing them let's

02:32:08.640 --> 02:32:11.640
use them as well as we can  and I also

02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:14.616
 just think we should recognize here

02:32:14.640 --> 02:32:17.576
that this proactive kind of maintenance

02:32:17.600 --> 02:32:20.600
 you know and renovation program here

02:32:20.960 --> 02:32:23.960
is  very important for us to go into

02:32:24.800 --> 02:32:27.016
this eyes wide open and it's great to

02:32:27.040 --> 02:32:29.736
get this early so that we have a kind of

02:32:29.760 --> 02:32:32.616
no surprises  program here for this

02:32:32.640 --> 02:32:35.640
town hall so  you know thank you for

02:32:35.760 --> 02:32:37.656
 you know getting this done early and

02:32:37.680 --> 02:32:39.415
so that we can start our work on

02:32:39.439 --> 02:32:42.439
actually preserving this asset

02:32:43.600 --> 02:32:44.576
Councelor

02:32:44.600 --> 02:32:47.256
Thomann  obviously Australia is a new

02:32:47.280 --> 02:32:49.335
country so we don't actually have very

02:32:49.359 --> 02:32:50.936
you know the the building that are old

02:32:50.960 --> 02:32:52.216
are actually not that old and they're

02:32:52.240 --> 02:32:55.176
not that many so  you know we got

02:32:55.200 --> 02:32:57.256
churches and we've got town halls in a

02:32:57.280 --> 02:33:00.056
way so  I think it's very important

02:33:00.080 --> 02:33:02.696
that  you know we don't have Versail

02:33:02.720 --> 02:33:05.720
or castles like that but  we do have a

02:33:05.920 --> 02:33:07.896
a few elements that are important to

02:33:07.920 --> 02:33:10.920
keep  so we have more than just

02:33:10.960 --> 02:33:13.960
memories so yes I highly support

02:33:14.840 --> 02:33:17.816
 looking after the assets we've got

02:33:17.840 --> 02:33:19.656
and obviously that costs money but it's

02:33:19.680 --> 02:33:21.896
in the budget

02:33:21.920 --> 02:33:23.256
Any other councilors want to speak to

02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:26.056
the item do you need to close council

02:33:26.080 --> 02:33:27.976
Megan Australia is actually an old

02:33:28.000 --> 02:33:29.816
country but it's fair to say that the

02:33:29.840 --> 02:33:32.840
buildings we have are relatively new by

02:33:33.280 --> 02:33:35.736
other standards Once again this is

02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:38.616
around being proactive eyes wide open

02:33:38.640 --> 02:33:40.776
and ensuring that these assets and the

02:33:40.800 --> 02:33:42.616
heritage remains in the future and is

02:33:42.640 --> 02:33:44.696
well utilized by our community I close

02:33:44.720 --> 02:33:46.776
put the motion Let's put that to the

02:33:46.800 --> 02:33:48.496
vote all those in

02:33:48.520 --> 02:33:51.520
favor that is carried unanimously Moving

02:33:51.920 --> 02:33:54.216
along to 13.3 which is the proposed

02:33:54.240 --> 02:33:55.896
discontinuence and sale of a part of

02:33:55.920 --> 02:33:58.920
laneway R1229 Merton Place Albert Park

02:33:59.600 --> 02:34:02.600
Do we have any questions for the

02:34:03.000 --> 02:34:05.576
officers no questions Do I have a mover

02:34:05.600 --> 02:34:07.736
and a second  councelor Hardy to move

02:34:07.760 --> 02:34:09.576
Councelor Holidayiday to second

02:34:09.600 --> 02:34:11.096
Councelor Hardy did you want to speak to

02:34:11.120 --> 02:34:13.256
this no I don't think we that's

02:34:13.280 --> 02:34:14.776
necessary It's pretty straightforward

02:34:14.800 --> 02:34:17.176
Thank you Councelor Holidayiday does

02:34:17.200 --> 02:34:18.976
anyone else need to speak to

02:34:19.000 --> 02:34:21.736
this if not let's put that to the vote

02:34:21.760 --> 02:34:22.976
all those in

02:34:23.000 --> 02:34:25.496
favor that is carried unanimously all

02:34:25.520 --> 02:34:27.455
those against that is carried

02:34:27.479 --> 02:34:30.479
unanimously Item 13.4 which is councelor

02:34:31.040 --> 02:34:34.040
expenses monthly reporting March 2025

02:34:34.160 --> 02:34:35.856
Any questions for the

02:34:35.880 --> 02:34:38.880
officers trying to get my open again No

02:34:40.160 --> 02:34:41.816
 if not could I have a mover in a

02:34:41.840 --> 02:34:43.736
second councelor Tamman to move I'll

02:34:43.760 --> 02:34:46.760
second it Councelor Tamman I don't need

02:34:46.800 --> 02:34:48.776
to speak Would anyone else like to speak

02:34:48.800 --> 02:34:50.096
to the

02:34:50.120 --> 02:34:52.536
item if not let's put that to the vote

02:34:52.560 --> 02:34:55.560
all those in favor all those against

02:34:55.760 --> 02:34:58.016
That motion is

02:34:58.040 --> 02:35:01.040
carried 13.5 is records of informal

02:35:05.040 --> 02:35:08.040
It was unanimous

02:35:08.160 --> 02:35:11.160
Did I not say that sorry Unanimous  we

02:35:11.359 --> 02:35:14.359
can see you can see the office  13.5

02:35:14.560 --> 02:35:16.216
is records of informal meetings of

02:35:16.240 --> 02:35:18.056
councils Are there any questions on this

02:35:18.080 --> 02:35:20.375
one

02:35:20.399 --> 02:35:22.616
no  I'm happy to move this one Do I

02:35:22.640 --> 02:35:25.335
have a seconder councelor Thomann  I

02:35:25.359 --> 02:35:27.415
don't need to speak to it Would anyone

02:35:27.439 --> 02:35:30.439
else like to speak to it no I'm going to

02:35:30.800 --> 02:35:33.415
put that to the vote all those in favor

02:35:33.439 --> 02:35:36.439
that is carried unanimously

02:35:37.280 --> 02:35:39.896
 then we are going to notices of

02:35:39.920 --> 02:35:42.776
motion which we do not have any tonight

02:35:42.800 --> 02:35:45.096
 item 15 is reports by councelor

02:35:45.120 --> 02:35:46.616
delegates Councilors do we have anyone

02:35:46.640 --> 02:35:49.256
who would like to give a quick report 

02:35:49.280 --> 02:35:51.936
just wanted to update briefly on the

02:35:51.960 --> 02:35:54.960
MAV's Victorian convention of counselors

02:35:55.040 --> 02:35:57.415
 both myself and councelor Holidayiday

02:35:57.439 --> 02:35:59.656
attended that two-day convention of

02:35:59.680 --> 02:36:02.680
counselors It provided a range of topics

02:36:04.240 --> 02:36:06.776
looking at obviously integrity in local

02:36:06.800 --> 02:36:09.256
government the fiscal sustainability in

02:36:09.280 --> 02:36:11.496
local government changes around 

02:36:11.520 --> 02:36:13.176
planning aspects and community

02:36:13.200 --> 02:36:16.200
engagement as well But the real value in

02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:19.896
that convention is actually hearing from

02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:21.896
our colleagues across the sector other

02:36:21.920 --> 02:36:23.736
councilors You know something that I've

02:36:23.760 --> 02:36:25.335
really noticed at this time in local

02:36:25.359 --> 02:36:27.656
government is that the cross counselor

02:36:27.680 --> 02:36:29.335
engagement between councils actually

02:36:29.359 --> 02:36:31.816
been a lot less than what it was  back

02:36:31.840 --> 02:36:34.840
between '05 and 2012 and this is really

02:36:35.280 --> 02:36:36.696
an opportunity to learn from our

02:36:36.720 --> 02:36:38.455
colleagues and realize that there's

02:36:38.479 --> 02:36:40.616
often 79 different ways of doing

02:36:40.640 --> 02:36:42.295
something and not just one way of doing

02:36:42.319 --> 02:36:45.319
it so really useful in building up our

02:36:45.439 --> 02:36:48.439
knowledge base and  cross 

02:36:49.120 --> 02:36:51.415
information between different ways of

02:36:51.439 --> 02:36:53.896
tackling what are common challenges

02:36:53.920 --> 02:36:56.920
across the sector fiscal sustainability

02:36:56.960 --> 02:36:59.256
and  meeting the needs of our current

02:36:59.280 --> 02:37:02.280
and future communities

02:37:03.040 --> 02:37:05.656
 anyone else councelor Holidayiday

02:37:05.680 --> 02:37:08.680
Yeah just following  councelor Makin's

02:37:08.960 --> 02:37:11.096
comments there about the MOV conference

02:37:11.120 --> 02:37:13.736
I found it  incredibly informative 

02:37:13.760 --> 02:37:15.736
for much the same reasons Just want to

02:37:15.760 --> 02:37:17.656
add here that in those discussions with

02:37:17.680 --> 02:37:20.216
the councilors from other areas it

02:37:20.240 --> 02:37:22.776
really brought home  you know through

02:37:22.800 --> 02:37:25.096
our budget process how lucky we are here

02:37:25.120 --> 02:37:27.656
in the city of Port Phillip we take for

02:37:27.680 --> 02:37:30.680
granted that the budget position we were

02:37:31.040 --> 02:37:34.040
in  I you know talked to councilors

02:37:34.560 --> 02:37:35.736
from the city of Melbourne who are

02:37:35.760 --> 02:37:37.976
struggling with $200 million worth of

02:37:38.000 --> 02:37:40.295
debt I talked to  councilors from

02:37:40.319 --> 02:37:43.319
heburn Shshire who are having to find $5

02:37:43.520 --> 02:37:46.520
million worth of savings out of like a

02:37:46.880 --> 02:37:49.656
$30 million budget  there I talked to

02:37:49.680 --> 02:37:52.680
councilors from  from  Northern

02:37:53.359 --> 02:37:55.016
Victoria who are struggling with

02:37:55.040 --> 02:37:57.576
rebuilding their infrastructure after 

02:37:57.600 --> 02:38:00.600
floods and other emergencies  you know

02:38:02.280 --> 02:38:05.280
we have every resource we want here we

02:38:06.640 --> 02:38:09.640
have the luxury  of choosing where we

02:38:10.880 --> 02:38:13.880
put our money and where we invest it and

02:38:14.000 --> 02:38:16.216
I do not take that for granted for one

02:38:16.240 --> 02:38:19.240
moment  through this process  so you

02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:21.976
know every dollar we spend here is an

02:38:22.000 --> 02:38:25.000
important dollar  for our residents 

02:38:26.560 --> 02:38:29.560
to spend wisely  so I think that that

02:38:30.240 --> 02:38:33.240
conference was  very very informative

02:38:33.359 --> 02:38:35.415
and I would recommend other councilors

02:38:35.439 --> 02:38:37.375
go along as

02:38:37.399 --> 02:38:40.096
well Okay Any other

02:38:40.120 --> 02:38:43.120
reports any other urgent

02:38:43.800 --> 02:38:46.800
business  okay so we item 17 is

02:38:46.880 --> 02:38:49.576
confidential matters so  we do have

02:38:49.600 --> 02:38:51.335
one confidential report listed on the

02:38:51.359 --> 02:38:54.359
agenda which is 17.1 the CEO declaration

02:38:54.399 --> 02:38:56.455
of extraordinary circstance and

02:38:56.479 --> 02:38:58.136
approval of a new contract or service

02:38:58.160 --> 02:39:00.256
agreement for paid parking machine data

02:39:00.280 --> 02:39:03.016
system so now here's the process I call

02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:04.455
on a councelor to move that the meeting

02:39:04.479 --> 02:39:05.976
be closed to members of the public to

02:39:06.000 --> 02:39:08.536
consider Thank you councelor Consol I'll

02:39:08.560 --> 02:39:10.696
second it councelor Crawford Let's put

02:39:10.720 --> 02:39:12.616
that motion to the vote all those in

02:39:12.640 --> 02:39:15.640
favor that is carried unanimously

02:39:16.080 --> 02:39:18.056
 so councilors we now conclude the

02:39:18.080 --> 02:39:19.656
public part Thanks Frank thanks theres

02:39:19.680 --> 02:39:21.016
for sticking with us Thank you for being

02:39:21.040 --> 02:39:23.496
our audience of two for our budget we

02:39:23.520 --> 02:39:25.736
appreciate it  I do advise members

02:39:25.760 --> 02:39:27.656
that we are closing the doors online and

02:39:27.680 --> 02:39:29.736
in physical reality and thank you for

02:39:29.760 --> 02:39:30.896
joining us

02:39:30.920 --> 02:39:33.920
tonight See you later