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Good evening everyone. Welcome to

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tonight's meeting of the Port Phillip

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City Council.

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Council respectfully acknowledges the

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traditional owners and custodians of the

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Kulin Nation. We acknowledge their

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legacy and spiritual connection to the

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land and waterways across the city of

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Port Phillip and pay our heartfelt

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respect to their Elders past, present,

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and emerging. So tonight's meeting is

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being conducted in a hybrid style 

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streamed via council's webcast page and

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Facebook Live we do ask I know

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people don't always listen to it that 

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you cannot copy  use or reproduce or

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alter our recordings in any way. Now if

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there are any tech difficulties we will

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take a break and sort those out and come

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back.

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I'm going to remind attendees that any

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member of the public addressing the

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council tonight must extend due courtesy

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and respect to council and the processes

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under which it operates and must take

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direction from the chair whenever called

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on to do so. We ask that all speakers,

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including councellors, remain respectful,

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and statements or questions must not be

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defamatory, offensive, or objectionable,

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aimed at embarrassing a councellor or a

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member of council staff. Hi, Theresa.

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Members of the public, be careful not to

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reveal any  personal details to when

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you speak.

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The other additional  there's a lot of

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housekeeping. I'm sorry, folks. If you

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do have any handouts you wish councellors

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to  look at, please hand them over to

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the  governance team and they will

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bring them up to us near our desks. And

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if there's an emergency, also look to

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the governance team.

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Now, before we get started tonight,

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councellors, there are two additional

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agenda items that have been added. The

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CEO has requested and I have agreed to

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include an additional item relating to

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the Grand Prix amendment bill. Now this

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additional  item will be tabled as item

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13.3 during the presentation of the

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reports on tonight's agenda.

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Additionally a notice of

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arbiter's decision report will be tabled

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at the end of the meeting prior to

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confidential matters. It is a

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requirement under section 147 of the

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local government act 2020 that the

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arbiter's decision and statement of

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reasons be tabled at the next council

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meeting and recorded in the minutes. And

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so that is tonight.

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Let's get started. I'm going to ask

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could you turn my  sound out a little

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bit? I asked him. Sorry. Thank you very

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much.  councellors, do we have any

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apologies tonight? I will note  

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note that councellor Thomann is online.

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Where are you from? Turkey Paris. Are

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you still in Paris?

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I am at my mum and dad's house.

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Okay.

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In Alsace.

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He is a committed councellor.

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He's very committed to join us from his

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holiday.

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I think you got an opportunity to be

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part of to make it easy. I think it I

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should take advantage of it.

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Totally.

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Now, councellors, the minutes of the

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council meeting which was held on the

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2nd of July 2025 have been circulated.

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Are there any questions regarding these

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minutes? If not, could I have a motion

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to confirm this minutes? A move

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councellor or Deputy Mayor  Deputy Mayor

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Mears and councellor Makin to second.

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Let's put that to the vote. All those in

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favor, that is carried unanimously.

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Now, declarations of conflicts of

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interest.  I would like to declare a

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conflict of interest in relation to an

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item 12.3, which is a panel contract for

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library collections. I will leave the

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chamber when that item is considered

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tonight and Deputy Mayor Mears will assume

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a chair. Does anyone else have a

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conflict of interest in any other

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matters tonight?

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 yes, I  will  having owning a

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business in Ackland Street or Barkly

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Street.  I prefer to  not be part of

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the discussion with the trader with the

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fees.

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Okay. So you'll let it we'll we'll come

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back to you that point and then you can

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log off or log out. We'll work that out

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then. Thank you councellor Thomann.

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Now before we move on tonight to hearing

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questions  and submissions from the

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public, we do have  a statement to

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read out and then there's two

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condolences motions. So the statement

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that I would like to read out on behalf

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of the City of Port Phillip refers to the

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80th anniversary of Hiroshima and

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Nagasaki.

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On the 80th anniversary since the

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nuclear devastation of Hiroshima and

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Nagasaki, the city of Port Phillip

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solemnly reflects on one of the darkest

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chapters in human history. We honour the

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memory of the tens of thousands of lives

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lost and the enduring resilience of the

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survivors who continue to advocate for

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peace. This milestone serves as a

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powerful reminder of the urgent need for

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global unity and disarmament as a modern

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and multicultural city. I would like to

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take this opportunity to reaffirm

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council's dedication to fostering a

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peaceful world for future generations

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free of nuclear weapons.

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Now could we get the first of the

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condolence motions up?

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So

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this one I will speak to so Gregory

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Vaisman who sadly passed away on the 4th

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of July 2025. Now, Gregory was the

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co-founder of the Sputnik Russian

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Television and Cultural Association and

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a long-term St Kilda resident who made

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an enduring contribution to

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multicultural media and community life

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in Port Phillip. Gregory's vision,

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resilience, and commitment to sharing

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culture and information enriched the

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lives of many, and his legacy will be

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long remembered. And I  remember in

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my early days on council, there was

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never an event where Sputnik Television

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wasn't there recording and it was a

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great service to the city. So

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councellors, I seek someone to move the

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motion that council expresses its deep

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regret on the passing of Gregory

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Vaisman, offers it sincere condolences

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to their family and places on records

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its appreciation for their service to

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the city of Port Phillip. Who would like

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to move this for me? ,

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can I move it?

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 councellor Thomann to move and

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councellor Mears to second.

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Yes.

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All right. I'll now put that to the

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vote. All those in favor?

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That is carried unanimously.

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 the second condolence motion. I

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believe councellor Cunsolo, are you

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speaking to this one?

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Thank you. That's great to have an image

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up there. Thank you very much , sadly

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Russell Griffith has passed away.

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Russell was a former Port Melbourne

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councellor and Mayor, lifelong unionist,

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passionate ship enthusiast, and

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dedicated member of the Port Melbourne

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and Williamstown communities. Russell's

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warmth, encyclopedic maritime knowledge,

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and enduring commitment to local life

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will be greatly missed. I think the Port

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Melbourne  Historic and Preservation

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Society have done a really nice write up

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on their Facebook page if you'd like to

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learn some more. Thank you.

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Thank you.  could again it's the 

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I'm looking for a mover maybe councellor

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Cunsolo you could be the mover for this

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one  and councellor Makin second that

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council expresses its deep regret on the

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passing of Russell Griffiths offers its

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sincere condolences to their family and

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places on record our appreciation for

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this service to the City of Port

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Phillip. So we've got a mover in

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councellor Cunsolo and a seconder in

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councellor Makin. Let's put that to the

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vote all those in favor that is carried

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unanimously. Thank you, councellors.

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Okay, it's time for public question time

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and submissions. I believe we've only

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got submissions tonight and you'll be

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very happy to hear community. There are

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just 10 of you, so you get up to three

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minutes yourself. Usually, if it's over

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10, Jay, Jen, you're come on the right

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night.

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Okay, so the first people that I'll call

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on are speaking to item 11.1, which is

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the domestic animal management plan 2026

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to 2029. So Fiona Patterson, if you

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could take yourself up to the seat

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there. Is the microphone on?

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Jay.

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The red. So the light should be on. If

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you could state your name and suburb,

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and then you've got 3 minutes. There

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will be a clock on the screen for you to

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speak to the item.

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Thank you. So Fiona Patterson North

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Brighton, or as I like to call it, South

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Elwood  is where I live. So good

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evening, Mayor and councellors. I'd like

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to introduce myself to council. So I

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reside in Brighton but right on the

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border with Elwood and prior to

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moving to Brighton I was a resident

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of Elwood for just over 20 years. So

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really involved with the community. In

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fact I'm heading off to sing with the

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Elwood choir and Jane Tuzo is still

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singing. You'd be happy to know  which

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is absolutely fantastic. Now I'm a

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qualified veterinarian and certified dog

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trainer and I run a dog training and

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behavior consultancy across the Bayside

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area of Melbourne.  I'm also a

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representative of the Elwood Dog Group

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along with Jen Bishop and I'm

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really looking forward to providing 

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building a connection with council and

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providing advice including on animal

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welfare, behavior issues, appropriate

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dog offers.  I've got reservations

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about the poo bag trial, so just wanted

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to put that one on record  for the

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city of Port Phillip. And if a trial

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does go ahead, I just really like to

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ensure that there are good metrics in

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place because what concerns me the most

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would be the environmental impacts, you

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know, of of plastic in the oceans. You

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know, we have such a great coastline and

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we do enjoy that so much, you know, with

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our dogs. It's you know, it's we're

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so lucky to have that. So, if we if we

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 do a trial, I'd really like to make

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sure that we do measure environmental

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impacts but Jay, really just happy

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to build a connection with you all 

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tonight  and to be able to support 

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matters of you know relating to the dogs

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and with the Elwood dog group. So thank

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you very much.

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Oh, thank you Fiona. I appreciate it.

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Jen Bishop. Hi Jen. You know the drill

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name suburb. Three minutes.

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Jen Bishop Elwood. Good evening Mayor

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and councellors. It's lovely to see you

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all here tonight. I'm going to move

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briefly from the dog advocacy issue and

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 the dog poo bag issue to speak up for

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the seabirds and the fish as I feel we

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have somehow been here before.

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Let's be honest, free dog poo bags don't

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clean up dog poo. They just move it from

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under our shoes into inside our fish.

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Tonight, you're being asked to consider

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again free dog poo bags. On the surface,

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it sounds like a great solution,

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but the reality is it comes at  a

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considerable cost to rate payers and

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council resources, and it doesn't

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actually solve the problem. Take a walk

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around one of the most beautiful parks

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in Melbourne,  Elstenwick Park, and you

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will be stepping through landmines. That

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is the same park that I've been going to

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for 20 years and always has had enormous

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amounts of poo bags provided by Bayside.

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And I think if you speak to the

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officers, you'll find from discussions

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with them, having had discussions with

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Bayside, once you give, you cannot take

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back. So I would implore you to consider

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this decision extremely carefully. 

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both for the birds and the fish  and

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the dogs and for using this for other

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types of dog off lead resources.

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We forget that this has been tried

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before and it failed. The bags didn't

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remove poo from our streets, but

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hundreds of them ended up in the bay

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instead. They strangled seabirds, they

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choked fish, and they polluted the very

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environment we're trying to protect. to

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place bag dispensers so close to the bay

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like Moran Reserve is simply inviting

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the same disaster all over again. For

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council staff, this means extra

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resources spent on running down to pick

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up bags from the sea and collecting

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stray bags. For our marine life, it

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means more dead seabirds and fish

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washing up on our shores.

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I feel like this is going backwards, not

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forwards with the environment. The

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majority of complaints about dog poo

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bags are not in off reserves. They're

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actually on our high streets and they're

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in in nature strips, the very places

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where pooh runs straight into storm

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water drains and ends up into the bay.

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So, not only are we repeating a failed

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approach, we're doing it in the wrong

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places. And let's not forget even

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so-called biodegradable bags become

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microplastics and are mistaken for food

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by turtles, by dolphins, beautiful

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dolphins in Elwood Beach and seabirds.

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we'd be swapping one form of pollution,

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poo, for plastic. Imagine instead if we

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invested in smarter solutions, clearer

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signage, better education, reminding

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owners to pick up their poo, education

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campaigns that change behavior,

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and initiatives that encourage

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responsibility rather than dependence.

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Because in the end, councellors, cleaner

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streets don't come from free bags, they

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come from responsible owners. Thank you.

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Jay. Thank you, Jen.

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Sally Blair.

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Is Sally here? Oh, hi Sally.

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If you could state your name and suburb

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and then you've got three minutes. Thank

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you.

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Sally Blair from Albert Park.

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Okay, this is going to be interesting.

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Okay, so I'm  speaking on behalf of

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Louisa

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and she can't be here tonight. She's

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head of the dog cop group in Albert Park

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and Port Melbourne. So the the DAMP

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survey results make it clear that dog

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owners and non-dog owners want the

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council to provide dog waste bags. In

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fact, over 70% of respondents said that

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they want this. We therefore ask

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councellors to respect the views of your

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community and proceed with the trial.

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If you want to clean a city, please give

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the community the tools to clean up

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after dogs. If we compare Port Phillip

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to Bayside Council, according to Bayside

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22 2026 stamp, Bayside had just only 19

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dog poo complaints, whereas Port Phillip

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had 83.

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Bayside provides poo bag dispensers

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and we currently don't in Port Phillip.

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The dispensers would need to clear

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signage to get the Mearsage across that

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the bags are provided as a backup for

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owners and that it is the owner's

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responsibility to pick up after their

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dog and to put the bags in a rubbish

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bin.

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To prevent people from grabbing lots of

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bags, there are manufacturers of council

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poo bags dispensers that release just

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one bag at a time and are padlocked.

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So councellors, we ask you to support an

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alternative option for the trial. We

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urge you to consider 12 locations at off

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leash dog parks, ovals, and off leash

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dog beaches. We believe that dog waste

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bags should be located where most dogs

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congregate, and that is in the dog off

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leash leash areas.

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Our neighboring councils like Bayside,

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Hobson's Bay, and City of Melbourne all

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provide dog waste bags in off leash

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spaces.

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So, we suggest the following locations

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for the trial. Emo Moran Reserve, Elwood

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IlElwood Dog Beach, Peanut Farm Reserve,

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Sinc Kilda, S Kilda, West Beach, Middle

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Park Beach, Alma Park West, Eastern

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Reserve, North South Melbourne, Gas

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Works Park, Albert Park, Lagoon Reserve,

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Hester Reserve, Port Melbourne, JL

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Murphy Reserve, Port Melbourne, and

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Garden City Reserve.

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So, we're wanting wanting responsible

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dog ownership, responsible dog bags,

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responsible dog to where to put them in

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the rubbish.

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Thank you.

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Okay,

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moving on to item 13.1, which is the

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Carile Street proposed sale of land.

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It's the report back from consultation.

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Gary Brawn.

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Hi, Gary. If you could state your name

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and suburb, and then you've got three

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minutes.

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Sure. Thank you. Um Gary Brawn from

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Brighton. Um thanks very much for your

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um the work so far done in relation to

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the sale and the  providing the

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report. Um I note that um I've got a

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concern in relation to the sale which

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hasn't been picked up in the report

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given the fact that it's a summary

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report.

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Specifically, the concern is that there

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are about a dozen properties that Kohl's

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does not yet own on the north side of

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Carlile Street. And all of those

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properties um extend to the um to the

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car park. For several decades, they've

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had access

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um from the car park for two reasons.

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Firstly, traders to um to be able to

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move goods into the shop. And secondly,

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some of the properties have got

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residences on the first floor. and the

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only access to the resident is from the

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rear of the property. And so I was

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really seeking some  guarantees that

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 that the sale and the redevelopment

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um of that  that area will not inher.

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Gary, I might I might go out of the

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ordinary and just clarify that that

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access is to remain. That is all part of

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Glock. Can we just I know this is a

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submission but just to answer the

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question that is also part of the

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planning

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right

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um through you may yes I can confirm

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that as part of the conditions that

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we're proposing to put on coals 

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through section 173 agreement as part of

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the sale ax rear access to those

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properties would be maintained.

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Thank you very much. Thank you.

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 Julian Vincent.

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Hi Julian. If you could again state your

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name, suburb, and speak for three

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minutes.

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 hi Julian Vincson East. Thanks for

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having me. Um I didn't prepare any notes

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so I'll hopefully remember the main

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points. My first concern around the um

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around the proposal was actually in the

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submission um exercise, the consensation

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process itself, which where I was quite

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disappointed. Disappointed because we

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were being asked to give feedback on a

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proposal in principle to sell land to

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Coohl's. However, the what it's for was

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not clear. Certainly not clear to me. I

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couldn't find details of proposal. I can

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see it now in the summary report. some

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of those details emerging or some of

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those considerations. Um, but it felt 

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very limiting going into a process of

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consultation being asked on whether or

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not we support or don't support or

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something else selling land to a company

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with basically no information about what

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the company wants to use the land for.

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It's reasonable to assume what we want

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what the company wants to use the land

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for because I've seen and I have

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relatives that live quite close to other

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recent CO's developments and that brings

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up some other concerns. But the other

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point that was missing from the

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consultation exercise was the relevant

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information that I think the previous

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gentleman's alluded to one similar point

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there. But

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I didn't know and I only found out

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thanks to the work of people at Better

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Balaclava of the extent to which Coohl's

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owns land on that block. That's very

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relevant information that wasn't

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available to me at the time that I was

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making a submission. And I do appreciate

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better vala for um for making that more

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publicly accessible. So in terms of the

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 where to from here

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that block

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and what happens with that block I think

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could have an enormous impact on

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council's broader and the community's

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broader intentions for Carile Street 

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and beyond in terms of accessibility,

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amenity, housing, etc. And I think there

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needs to be an extremely active level of

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community involvement in whatever

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happens to that site. And I would

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encourage council to retain as much of a

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stake and access and and power in the

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process

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 and involve the community as as long

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as it possibly can and get as much

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community input into what happens with

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that site because if what happens around

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that site is anything like what I've

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been told of um from relatives who live

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around Elsenwick or I've got relatives

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who live around I think I forget suburbs

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north of the

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Um, but I think it's new market. Um, it

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can result in a very

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 soulless, desolate context, an

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environment that doesn't seem to do much

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for other businesses and residents in

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the area. Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Calling on  Ruth Slomniski.

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Hi Ruth, if you could state your name

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and suburb. And you've got 2 minutes.

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Hi, my name is Ruth Slimsky. It's just

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as it's written. Um, but that appreciate

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it. It's difficult for people. Um, I'm

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from Balac. Can I speak to the other

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item before as well or can I only talk?

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Well, you can choose. You've got three

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minutes in total.

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I don't need three minutes. Um, so I

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feel strongly that there needs to be

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better planning controls around what

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sort of  who's allowed to have how

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many dogs in the city of Port Phillip. I

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think we're an inner city area. People

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live in apartments. I think that we

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could consider better manage like

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management of permits for dogs. um and

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potentially as a way to reduce the dog

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poo issue. I grew up in Balaclava. I

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think it's a persistent issue. I don't

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think you can trust people to um be

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responsible dog owners.

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Um understand that might be an unpopular

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opinion. Um I'd mostly like to talk

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about the sale of  the car park to

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Coohl's. Um, I'd like to float an idea

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that I don't think made it into the

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consultation, um, and certainly not

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reflected in the report, um, which is

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that we could use this as an opportunity

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to remove on street parking in Nelson

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Street and, , on one side of Nelson

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Street and relocate it to the, um,

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underground car park um, and provide

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people with short-term or disability

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permit parking on the one side of Nelson

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Street. Just an idea. Um, I feel

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strongly that this sale shouldn't go

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ahead. Um I feel as was discussed

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mentioned before I feel that um the

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process

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inherently doesn't give local residents

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a lot of say. Um I don't want to be I

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think the trees is a theme that's come

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up a lot in my discussions with other

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residents. I don't really want to be in

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a situation where we're you know relying

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on the state government to not cut down

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our trees. I think lots of people know

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how that sometiMearsends. Um,

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I

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feel strongly that I don't want

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something that looks like what we've got

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in Pan Square. I think it's hideous. Um,

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and I guess I'd like to express that

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people live in Balaclava and not in, you

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know, Abbott or South Yara because they

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don't want to park their car in

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underground car parks. Um, and I think

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we could  introduce I think we could

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consider better management of the 

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atgrade car parking that we have across

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the municipality um through the use of

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permanent car parking. For instance, I

00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:30.376
grew up five minutes from Balaclava

00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.336
station in a street where you were

00:23:31.360 --> 00:23:32.456
allowed to park your car for as long as

00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:35.480
you wanted, wherever you wanted. Um,

00:23:35.679 --> 00:23:38.135
Jay, I suppose,

00:23:38.159 --> 00:23:39.416
Jay, I suppose I'd just like to say

00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.416
that I feel strongly that there needs to

00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.976
be additional consultation on what

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.816
happen, what goes into the conditions of

00:23:45.840 --> 00:23:48.840
sale um, in the event of this sale. Um,

00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:51.816
that's all. Thank you.

00:23:51.840 --> 00:23:53.655
Thank you,

00:23:53.679 --> 00:23:56.679
David Vheimer.

00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.416
Hi David, if you could state your name

00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:01.096
and suburb and then you've got three

00:24:01.120 --> 00:24:01.736
minutes.

00:24:01.760 --> 00:24:04.760
Certainly. Thank you. Um Madame um sorry

00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:07.496
Mayor and councellors.  David Bor

00:24:07.520 --> 00:24:09.496
Sharma, Russell Kennedy, Solicitors

00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:12.520
Melbourne. Um I'm here on behalf of 

00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.736
one of the submitters and owners  of a

00:24:15.760 --> 00:24:18.296
property on Carile Street at 260 Carile

00:24:18.320 --> 00:24:21.320
Street. Much like Mr. Brawn  who's

00:24:21.520 --> 00:24:24.520
just  put submissions before. One of

00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:26.775
the issues that's been  I guess

00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.736
highlighted now submissions to council

00:24:29.760 --> 00:24:31.816
is this question about retaining access

00:24:31.840 --> 00:24:33.736
to the rear of the properties which

00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:36.760
front Carlile Street. Now I heard um the

00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:39.799
response from  Mr. Johnson before

00:24:39.919 --> 00:24:42.775
about the 173 agreement that's proposed.

00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.799
Now I am a lawyer. I'm a planner. 

00:24:46.320 --> 00:24:48.936
what's being proposed and what's being

00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.576
suggested just does not work. It doesn't

00:24:51.600 --> 00:24:54.376
give any certainty to the owners of

00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.400
those properties on Carile Street. Um

00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.056
the persons who own those properties

00:25:00.080 --> 00:25:02.696
won't be party to those agreements. They

00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.456
don't have the same level of

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.176
participation in the process. Indeed, to

00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.255
date, there's been no consultation or

00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:12.135
engagement with our client or indeed any

00:25:12.159 --> 00:25:14.616
of the other owners along that stretch

00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.015
as to how that's to be secured or indeed

00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:19.176
the detail around that, how that is to

00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.200
be secured in terms of the width, the

00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.696
longevity in terms of how long that's

00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.015
going to perpetuate for, what's going to

00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.255
happen through construction periods,

00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.096
what the width's going to be, and all of

00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:34.120
these details. Now what we're after

00:25:34.159 --> 00:25:36.616
really is engagement at least at this

00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:38.616
stage to actually understand what is

00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.696
proposed how it is going to be actually

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.416
be secured make sure we've got a legally

00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:46.296
enforcable mechanism to do that and

00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:48.216
without that what you're really doing is

00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.056
we're really suggesting that we're going

00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:52.616
to go forward with a sale without

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.336
understanding the implications for the

00:25:55.360 --> 00:25:57.336
continuation of trade along Carile

00:25:57.360 --> 00:25:59.496
Street along the properties that front

00:25:59.520 --> 00:26:01.255
Carlile Street which aren't part of this

00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:03.176
proposed development.

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.200
So, it's a shortsighted in our view

00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.416
approach. Um, we're a bit disappointed

00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.496
that the consultation paper that's come

00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:14.135
before the council today doesn't

00:26:14.159 --> 00:26:16.376
recognize or at least acknowledge the

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:17.976
submissions that have been put on behalf

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.135
of our client and other property owners

00:26:20.159 --> 00:26:22.856
on Carlile Street. And what we'd ask is

00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:24.775
that the recommendation that you've got

00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:27.416
before you tonight actually be amended

00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.440
to actually include a requirement  new

00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:34.039
3.4 Four, that if the proposed sale is

00:26:34.159 --> 00:26:36.535
to proceed any further in terms of the

00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:39.255
process, that prior to the next stage of

00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.096
this matter being reported to council

00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:43.976
that the council officers engage with

00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.000
the owners of those properties to seek

00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.816
to at least look at the mechanisms to

00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:52.696
secure and enable that  maintenance of

00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.856
that access.

00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.015
Thank you.

00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.039
Thank you. , and council may consider

00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.400
that. Okay. Gerald McLolin, if you could

00:27:04.159 --> 00:27:05.736
state your name and suburb, and then

00:27:05.760 --> 00:27:08.760
you've got three minutes.

00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.936
Good evening, councellor and Mayor. ,

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.960
Dr. Geredine McLolin is my name. Um

00:27:21.840 --> 00:27:24.840
 the consultation summary reveals a

00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.655
very strong interest in the community

00:27:27.679 --> 00:27:30.679
for protections of community benefit. My

00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.856
question is this, in what form and

00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.416
through what means do council intend to

00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.216
protect community benefit? Further, how

00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.856
is council and council officers defining

00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.096
community benefit?

00:27:43.120 --> 00:27:45.576
Is leveraging the sale of public land

00:27:45.600 --> 00:27:47.816
roadway contract conditions the only

00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:50.616
pathway or will you be setting up a

00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.640
heads of agreement with key land owners

00:27:54.320 --> 00:27:56.616
prospective owners such as Cooh's propri

00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.255
Limited and others Woolworths for

00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.255
instance and will you be developing more

00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:04.279
nuance section 173 conditions beyond the

00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:06.856
current proposed conditions in the key

00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.255
transaction objectives

00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:10.856


00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.880
 noted in the 2019 19 council report

00:28:13.919 --> 00:28:16.296
by Chris Carol.

00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:18.135
Well, this it's okay. The council may

00:28:18.159 --> 00:28:21.159
choose to take up one of your questions.

00:28:21.600 --> 00:28:24.600
Okay. Adrien Callo

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.135
again, if you could say your name and

00:28:28.159 --> 00:28:29.576
suburb and you've got three minutes or

00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:31.496
up to three minutes.

00:28:31.520 --> 00:28:34.056
Um, good evening. My name's Adrien Cleo.

00:28:34.080 --> 00:28:37.080
I'm from St. Kilder East. Um given the

00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.816
outcome of the recent consultation,

00:28:39.840 --> 00:28:42.135
there was a pretty um even split of

00:28:42.159 --> 00:28:44.696
votes with a majority of people either

00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.720
voting no or a very conditional yes.

00:28:50.159 --> 00:28:53.159
um without a clear majority for a yes

00:28:53.360 --> 00:28:55.736
vote, how will these responses be

00:28:55.760 --> 00:28:57.655
addressed in the decision-making process

00:28:57.679 --> 00:28:59.655
regarding the sale of lands to Coohl's

00:28:59.679 --> 00:29:01.655
so that there can be greater community

00:29:01.679 --> 00:29:04.679
acceptance of the um sale of land. My

00:29:06.399 --> 00:29:09.399
second question is um the key

00:29:10.159 --> 00:29:12.296
transaction criteria outlined by the

00:29:12.320 --> 00:29:14.856
council so far appear to mainly for the

00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.936
replacement of like for like will

00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.936
replace a supermarket with a slightly

00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.936
bigger supermarket. The same number of

00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.616
car parking spaces for the same number

00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.096
of car parking spaces a public toilet

00:29:25.120 --> 00:29:28.120
for a public toilet

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.240
with no additional benefits outlined.

00:29:32.399 --> 00:29:35.399
How can the um sorry can the council

00:29:36.159 --> 00:29:38.616
outline how the sale of  council owned

00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.696
land to Kohl's will provide greater

00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.416
community benefit to balaclava and

00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.440
greater 3183.

00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.535
Again a council may choose to take up

00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.559
your questions.

00:29:51.760 --> 00:29:54.760
Okay. And final speaker is Anna Malos.

00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.480
 name suburb in three minutes.

00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.255
Jay, I my name is Anna Moss and I live

00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.279
in Balaclava. Um, I also have concerns

00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:11.816
about the sale of this land to Coohl's

00:30:11.840 --> 00:30:14.135
and it is about the degree of benefit

00:30:14.159 --> 00:30:16.216
that the community is going to get back

00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.240
after that sale and what power and

00:30:19.919 --> 00:30:22.216
influence the council will be able to re

00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.696
you know retain if it just goes ahead

00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.720
with a sale rather than either does some

00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.375
master planning in advance of the sale

00:30:30.399 --> 00:30:33.399
so they can set more requirements onto

00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:36.296
Coohl's about you know how that sale of

00:30:36.320 --> 00:30:39.015
land and how any development is going to

00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.895
interact with you know at the moment

00:30:41.919 --> 00:30:44.856
actually Carlile Street it's you know

00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.655
it's a highly varied shopping area it

00:30:47.679 --> 00:30:49.736
isn't one of those kind of solless big

00:30:49.760 --> 00:30:52.760
box coals and we have three supermarkets

00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.135
in the immediia area and we're very

00:30:56.159 --> 00:30:58.696
close to other large supermarkets

00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.936
including a massive cooh's that's you

00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.255
know only a few miles away so I really

00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.216
don't see the benefits that the

00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.135
residents of the areas are going to get

00:31:08.159 --> 00:31:09.976
from the sale under the current

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.696
conditions. As previous speakers have

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.720
said, there's no really clear way that

00:31:16.159 --> 00:31:17.976
you're getting additive benefits. It's

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.535
more making sure that you're not losing

00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:21.816
some of the things that are there

00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:24.216
already. And I'd particularly note that

00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.216
if you look at the potential for

00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.535
additional housing, which you know I

00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.696
would personally support, but if you

00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.775
look at what other conditions are being

00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.936
set alongside, you know, it's a very

00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.736
small um area of additional open space.

00:31:37.760 --> 00:31:39.976
For instance, there is the risk of loss

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.000
of existing trees. And I at this time

00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.176
based on what we can see before us that

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.336
been presented to the community, it

00:31:49.360 --> 00:31:51.096
really doesn't feel like we're going to

00:31:51.120 --> 00:31:53.895
get sufficient benefits given the amount

00:31:53.919 --> 00:31:56.919
of power and value that council will

00:31:57.120 --> 00:32:00.120
gift essentially to Coohl's. All right.

00:32:00.159 --> 00:32:03.159
Hang on. All right. In return for a

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.200
market sale. But what you're giving

00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.255
because Kohl's has got already a number

00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.279
of of parcels in that area by giving the

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.799
lanes by giving additional land you

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.000
create a very big space that they get to

00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.200
use in quite a varied way that there's

00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:24.535
relatively

00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.416
small controls over at this time that

00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.655
we've seen. So we're being asked to say

00:32:29.679 --> 00:32:32.679
yes sell it or not without seeing proper

00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.039
controls in advance.

00:32:36.159 --> 00:32:37.655
I will just correct there is no gifting.

00:32:37.679 --> 00:32:38.936
There will be sale. I just want to

00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.775
clarify on the record so that there's no

00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:42.375
question of corruption. Gifting is not

00:32:42.399 --> 00:32:43.655
the appropriate words.

00:32:43.679 --> 00:32:46.679
So what I'm talking additional benefit

00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.960
on top of the sale.

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.775
Well

00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.616
yes. So just want to know just because

00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:53.816
we're in a world where you just want to

00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:56.135
make that very clear. It is a sale we

00:32:56.159 --> 00:32:58.296
are talking about.

00:32:58.320 --> 00:33:00.056
Okay, that wraps up. So, councellors,

00:33:00.080 --> 00:33:03.080
we're moving on to  councellor question

00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:04.696
time. Are there any questions you'd like

00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.456
to ask of the officers separate to any

00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.135
of the items that we will be discussing

00:33:08.159 --> 00:33:11.159
further tonight?

00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:14.840
No. All right, we'll move on. Well, we

00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.015
have no ceiling items. So, that's 

00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.336
we'll move on to petitions and joint

00:33:19.360 --> 00:33:21.255
letters. So, councellors, we have two

00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.056
petitions on tonight's agenda. The first

00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:27.080
one being 7.1 petition on the

00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:29.096
supplementary public question time

00:33:29.120 --> 00:33:31.576
principle purpose and practice. So

00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:32.856
councellors do we have any questions in

00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.880
the offices on this item?

00:33:36.399 --> 00:33:38.936
I I have a question if I may. I believe

00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.895
that um the council that is referenced

00:33:41.919 --> 00:33:44.919
in this is looking to remove that this

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.015
supplementary question time from their

00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.535
updated rules because it is not a

00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.856
practice that has been useful or added

00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.856
um any benefit to their meetings and is

00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.880
is never used. Robin Bolley,

00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.216
thank you Mayor through you.  we

00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:59.895
understand that they are removing that

00:33:59.919 --> 00:34:01.576
from their draft governance rules that

00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:03.255
they're working through at the moment. I

00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:04.856
can't speak to their motivation for

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.416
doing so. Um, but they are looking to

00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.176
remove it from their updated governance

00:34:09.200 --> 00:34:12.055
rules.

00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.079
Are there any other questions?

00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:16.776
If not, we have an officer's

00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:18.855
recommendation. Do I have someone to

00:34:18.879 --> 00:34:21.815
move this or something different?

00:34:21.839 --> 00:34:24.839
Thank you, Council Holiday. , Council

00:34:24.879 --> 00:34:27.879
Min to second. Councilor Holidayiday,

00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.895
would you like to speak to motion?

00:34:29.919 --> 00:34:32.919
Council Makin, um I'll briefly speak.

00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:35.575
Thank you, Frank, for all your very deep

00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:36.776
thinking that is going around this

00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.895
governance rules. I think you're the

00:34:37.919 --> 00:34:39.655
most engaged member of our community and

00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:40.776
we thank you for bringing these

00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.216
questions so that we can consider this

00:34:42.240 --> 00:34:44.696
as part of our process. councellor

00:34:44.720 --> 00:34:47.416
Holidayiday.

00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:48.776
Jay. Close. Jay.

00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:50.696
Jay. Again, thank you Frank um you know

00:34:50.720 --> 00:34:53.496
for your consistent um engagement with

00:34:53.520 --> 00:34:55.335
 what are usually pretty mundane

00:34:55.359 --> 00:34:58.055
activities here and for your um kind of

00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.456
thoroughess in this proposal and in 

00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.335
your efforts in going out and um backing

00:35:03.359 --> 00:35:04.936
them up with the petition that you've

00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.656
done here and I think  notwithstanding

00:35:07.680 --> 00:35:10.680
the the the outcome of or Hobson's bay

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.055
choice there I think  your points

00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.296
around the petitions and speakers the

00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:17.896
petitions also still stands and we'll

00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:19.656
take that into account as we consider

00:35:19.680 --> 00:35:22.680
the governance rules. Thank you.

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:24.376
Let's put that to the vote. All those in

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.176
favor, all those against, that is

00:35:27.200 --> 00:35:29.176
carried unanimously.

00:35:29.200 --> 00:35:31.416
Moving on to 7.2, which is the joint

00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.176
letter for parking restrictions for

00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:35.416
streets bound by Bay Graham Bridge and

00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.976
Princess Streets. councellors, do we have

00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.696
any questions of the officers?

00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:41.335
If

00:35:41.359 --> 00:35:43.575
one question just in regard to the

00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.599
recommendation  it notes that 

00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:49.720
officers will investigate and prepare a

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.136
report  in response. What time frames

00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:54.856
would we be looking at in terms of that

00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:55.575
process?

00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.335
 Mike Fischer

00:35:57.359 --> 00:36:00.136
 through you may um thank you for your

00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:02.456
question councellor. So we are putting

00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:04.136
that into the work program and starting

00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:06.055
that work at the end of this month. So

00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:07.976
we hope to be into that in September

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.896
once we've done occupancy surveys and

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.335
looking at the assessment for all the

00:36:11.359 --> 00:36:13.176
work.

00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:15.016
Great. Any other questions? councellor

00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:16.136
Holidayiday.

00:36:16.160 --> 00:36:18.376
 thank you ma'am. Are there are there

00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.616
um specific anomalies with this area? Is

00:36:20.640 --> 00:36:23.335
it is it different than other areas or

00:36:23.359 --> 00:36:26.359
um is this you know is this  typical

00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:29.720
of the the kind of um not ad hoc but um

00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:32.536
patchwork kind of parking restrictions

00:36:32.560 --> 00:36:35.560
that we see across the city. um question

00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:38.296
through you may I think I mean we are

00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:39.815
yet to do the assessment so the team

00:36:39.839 --> 00:36:41.496
will do that I think we're looking to

00:36:41.520 --> 00:36:43.335
make sure that across the city we're

00:36:43.359 --> 00:36:45.016
consistent we have consistent measures

00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:47.176
and and these things do come up from

00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:48.936
time to time but I think as we assess

00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:50.696
we'll be able to make them consistent

00:36:50.720 --> 00:36:52.696
and sure that for the residents who've

00:36:52.720 --> 00:36:53.976
put the petition and we thank them for

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.896
that that we can make the best decision

00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.256
so

00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.256
any other questions

00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.095
okay councellor m to move do I have a

00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.256
seconder councellor can Cunsolo Hello

00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.016
councellor Min

00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:06.776
just wanted to thank  the resident for

00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.696
the petition. They got in touch with me.

00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:11.720
I suggested a petition to raise  the

00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.760
concerns that they had expressed and I

00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.095
thank officers for clarifying the time

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:18.936
fraMearsin terms of when there will be a

00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.776
response back to the resident. This is

00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.800
the process in engaging council and 

00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:25.656
just like every other petition, it's

00:37:25.680 --> 00:37:27.095
great to see this level of involvement

00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:28.696
from our community.

00:37:28.720 --> 00:37:29.976
Flip the motion.

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.000
councellor Cunsolo. Thank you. It I used

00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.256
to live in this section as well, so I

00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.416
know that the parking has evolved and

00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.976
changed, especially when people realize

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.335
there's a little bit of free parking in

00:37:41.359 --> 00:37:43.416
the area, but also when we changed our

00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.335
rules for permanent parking from street

00:37:45.359 --> 00:37:48.216
to zones that you we'll see natural

00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:49.575
changes like this. So, this a good time

00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.176
to reflect and  when it's brought to

00:37:51.200 --> 00:37:53.896
our attention to look at it and if the

00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:55.896
first requirement is is not being met

00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.656
because they've gone such a broad area

00:37:57.680 --> 00:37:59.976
versus their own one street was the

00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.016
numbers of people. It will be

00:38:01.040 --> 00:38:02.055
interesting to see if it would have been

00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.136
assessed differently on that, but 

00:38:04.160 --> 00:38:06.216
thank you for officers looking into this

00:38:06.240 --> 00:38:08.936
and good luck. Thank you.

00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:10.536
Would any other councellor like to speak

00:38:10.560 --> 00:38:13.335
to the motion?

00:38:13.359 --> 00:38:15.016
I'm assuming you're okay not to close,

00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:17.416
councellor Min. Okay, let

00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.416
let's put that to the vote. All those in

00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:20.936
favor

00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.960
that is carried unanimously.

00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:26.856
We're moving on to 8

00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.095
 well 8 to 13 which is presentations

00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:30.936
of reports. So we're going to start with

00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.335
9.1 which is the multicultural advisory

00:38:33.359 --> 00:38:35.815
committee annual report from 2024 to

00:38:35.839 --> 00:38:38.536
2025 councils. Do we have any questions

00:38:38.560 --> 00:38:41.256
for the officers?

00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:41.976
Council Min.

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:43.976
Jay, thank you. Just wanted to clarify

00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.000
the process around  feedback from

00:38:47.200 --> 00:38:49.176
stakeholders around the proposed permit

00:38:49.200 --> 00:38:52.200
system for dog walkers.

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.136
Sorry, which item

00:38:54.160 --> 00:38:56.376
9.1. Have I missed one?

00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.256
Multicultural. Sorry,

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.456
that's all right. I was just thinking,

00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.216
oh my goodness, I've really skipped

00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:05.240
some. Okay, no 9.1. , multicultural

00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.440
advisory committee. , council Jan,

00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.976
happy to move it.

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.416
Okay, unless there's any questions,

00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.416
councellor Buckingham is the mover and

00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:14.936
councellor Holidayiday is the second.

00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.960
councellor Buckingham.

00:39:19.359 --> 00:39:22.359
It's with great pleasure to move 

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:26.599
this recommendation and to note the 

00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.376
multicultural advisory committee's

00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.335
annual report.  this is a particular

00:39:31.359 --> 00:39:33.815
committee that has done a mountain of

00:39:33.839 --> 00:39:36.839
work um over the years and particularly

00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.440
in this  financial year and um not

00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.055
always in the easiest of circumstances.

00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.976
they've come together in the service of

00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.216
the community and the peoples that they

00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:50.136
 where they live and who they work

00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:53.160
with and um the report captures their

00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:56.456
significant contribution and I look

00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.055
forward to working with the individuals

00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.136
that have made this committee so

00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.456
productive and wonderful going into the

00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.696
future. Thank you

00:40:04.720 --> 00:40:07.095
councellor Holidayiday. Jay, I'd just

00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.016
like to  second that. Thanking the

00:40:09.040 --> 00:40:10.456
members of the committee here for their

00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.480
work and for their report. Um their work

00:40:13.520 --> 00:40:15.815
over the years here. Um it's great to

00:40:15.839 --> 00:40:17.335
see the community so engaged and I hope

00:40:17.359 --> 00:40:20.055
that we get the opportunity to um engage

00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.136
um further with our community advisory

00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:24.055
committees.

00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.536
councellor Cunsolo. I think it's great

00:40:26.560 --> 00:40:28.136
when we have our citizenship ceremonies

00:40:28.160 --> 00:40:30.776
to see how many people come from so many

00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.696
different cultures and it may be a great

00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:34.456
opportunity to highlight this and maybe

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.936
put the annual report out at our um

00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.016
citizenship ceremonies on a table just

00:40:39.040 --> 00:40:40.936
so people can really feel that there's a

00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.496
place to go and and  connect a bit

00:40:43.520 --> 00:40:45.416
more if they're not finding among the

00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.896
community.

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.536
That's a great idea. Um coun any other

00:40:50.560 --> 00:40:53.256
council wish to speak to the motion?

00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.776
councellor Buckingham, would you like to

00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.335
close? No. Let's put that to the vote.

00:40:57.359 --> 00:40:59.736
All those in favor? That is carried

00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.575
unanimously.

00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.599
 9.2 is the LGBTIQ plus advisory

00:41:05.359 --> 00:41:06.936
committee and their annual report for

00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.416
2024 25. councellors, do we have any

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.440
questions for the officers on this item?

00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:14.536
If not, could I have a mover and a

00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:15.896
seconder?

00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:16.856
Can I move it?

00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.776
Yes. councellor Thomannan, you can move it.

00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.335
Any seconder? councellor Holidayiday.

00:41:21.359 --> 00:41:24.359
councellor Tamman, over to you.

00:41:24.640 --> 00:41:27.640
Um, as  the council representatives on

00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.656
this group for the LA, you know, this

00:41:29.680 --> 00:41:32.680
year, , I highly, , recommend the

00:41:33.839 --> 00:41:35.976
report and hopefully this is a new

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.496
committee that was set up a few years

00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:40.295
ago and has worked very hard and well

00:41:40.319 --> 00:41:43.319
meeting at the Pride Center.  and um

00:41:44.319 --> 00:41:47.319
 it you know all topics were addressed

00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:49.335
and  there was always a lot of passion

00:41:49.359 --> 00:41:51.976
in the room as it happens  in those

00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.736
kind of committees and hopefully

00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.456
there'll be recommendation to keep going

00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.256
have to keep going have another  crack

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.335
with the LGBTIQ

00:42:01.359 --> 00:42:04.359
A+ committee and I said I recommend the

00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.400
the work that has been done  and keep

00:42:07.839 --> 00:42:10.295
going.

00:42:10.319 --> 00:42:12.696
 who seconded this?  councellor

00:42:12.720 --> 00:42:15.176
Holidayiday, sorry.

00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:16.616
 thank you Mayor. Just quickly I'd

00:42:16.640 --> 00:42:18.216
again like to thank all the members of

00:42:18.240 --> 00:42:21.095
this committee. Um  including the

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.896
chairs and office bearers and as well

00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.055
the former councellor representatives on

00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.216
this committee for their for their time

00:42:28.240 --> 00:42:30.216
that they put into this. And just noting

00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:32.136
that JaMearsis doing double duty across

00:42:32.160 --> 00:42:34.376
both of these committees. So he was 

00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.776
super dedicated to um city of Port

00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.416
Phillip. Thank you.

00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.216
Thank you. I might quickly add one. I I

00:42:42.240 --> 00:42:44.536
I was here when we created it as was

00:42:44.560 --> 00:42:46.856
councellor Cunsolo and it was quite a

00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:48.616
hard bottle battle fought to get there

00:42:48.640 --> 00:42:50.376
but um the contribution that has been

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.095
made  has kind of blown me away and

00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.616
every year you see the report and you

00:42:54.640 --> 00:42:56.696
think they almost do more work than

00:42:56.720 --> 00:42:58.376
councellors. No, that's not true. But

00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.376
they they they contribute so much in

00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.055
this space and just want to thank them

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.616
for this committee report.

00:43:04.640 --> 00:43:05.896
Councilor Thomann, would you like to

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.575
close?

00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.496
Just to thank all the members. Yes, as

00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:12.520
councellor Holidayiday just put.

00:43:13.040 --> 00:43:14.216
All right, let's put that to the vote.

00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:16.376
All those in favor? That is carried

00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.616
unanimously.

00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:20.696
So, I'm just checking. We're moving over

00:43:20.720 --> 00:43:22.616
to item

00:43:22.640 --> 00:43:25.016
11.1, which is the domestic animal

00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:28.040
management plan 2026 to 2029. So,

00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.936
councellors, do we have any questions for

00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.256
officers in regards to this report?

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.496
, so Jay, question before. just

00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:37.896
wanted to seek an understanding around

00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.976
the input mechanisms from affected

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.000
stakeholders around the permits 

00:43:43.200 --> 00:43:44.776
conditions for dog walkers.

00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.095
Okay. Nelly Montiku through you may

00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:48.376
thank you councellor Megan for the

00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.095
question.  the dog walker permits and

00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.256
conditions were discussed at length with

00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.095
a group of dog walkers that contacted us

00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:56.536
as well as through the engagement that

00:43:56.560 --> 00:43:59.016
you've got a report on here tonight. Um

00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:01.176
going forward, if it is endorsed

00:44:01.200 --> 00:44:02.616
tonight, we will do some further

00:44:02.640 --> 00:44:04.776
consultation with that group of  dog

00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:06.856
walkers to understand the impacts to

00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.575
them um of the proposed conditions.

00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:11.335
Conditions on permits are not required

00:44:11.359 --> 00:44:13.016
to be endorsed by council. Is there an

00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:14.856
operational approach to the direction

00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.416
you set us through the damp um the same

00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.095
as all development, event, sporting and

00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:20.856
recreational permits issued under the

00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.256
local law across council? Thank you.

00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.616
Thank you.

00:44:24.640 --> 00:44:27.176
, councellor Cunsolo,

00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:29.496
in the options for the dog waste bags,

00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:32.520
um, it was outlined that , for six

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.496
locations with two dispensers each would

00:44:35.520 --> 00:44:38.520
cost about, I don't know, $46,000.

00:44:38.720 --> 00:44:41.416
Would we under 50 thou about $50,000 be

00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.295
able to um, have one dispenser at more

00:44:44.319 --> 00:44:47.016
locations like 12 locations?

00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:47.416
Millie,

00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.335
for you, Mayor. Yes, that was a quote

00:44:49.359 --> 00:44:51.736
based on 12 dispensers um and the

00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.536
associated staffing, resourcing, waste

00:44:54.560 --> 00:44:56.216
um connections with that number of

00:44:56.240 --> 00:44:57.575
dispensers and we'd make sure they were

00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.456
at highly available and and clearly seen

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.480
locations um if that was proposed.

00:45:03.520 --> 00:45:06.136
Thank you. Can I ask another followup?

00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:09.016
If a trial was to be supported,  do we

00:45:09.040 --> 00:45:10.295
have some parameters about how we would

00:45:10.319 --> 00:45:12.856
measure how successful a trial would be?

00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.335
because I know it's really hard to put

00:45:15.359 --> 00:45:17.016
something out there that some may think

00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:19.656
is very valuable, but it actually didn't

00:45:19.680 --> 00:45:22.616
serve the purpose we intended it to.

00:45:22.640 --> 00:45:23.176
Millie,

00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:24.696
through you, Mayor. Yes. Measures of

00:45:24.720 --> 00:45:26.776
success for the trial um would be

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.575
carefully um looked at. Our main

00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.896
measurements are our cusThomanner request

00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:33.736
numbers around the number of complaints

00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.736
we get about dog waste at the moment um

00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.136
compared to once the trial was in place.

00:45:38.160 --> 00:45:40.376
We'd also look at other environmental

00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.295
impacts if there were more reports of

00:45:42.319 --> 00:45:45.016
other rubbish um additional bins being

00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:47.095
needed or or extra collections being

00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:48.776
needed because of that. We have a number

00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:50.376
of mechanisms through our cusThomanner

00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:51.976
request system that we'd be able to do

00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.055
that. Um we're not proposing any

00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.936
additional um measures of success at

00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:58.376
this stage.

00:45:58.400 --> 00:45:59.656
You follow up?

00:45:59.680 --> 00:46:01.575
Um right now when we get the requests

00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:02.776
we're seeing them kind of spread out

00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.016
through municipality on high streets, on

00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:06.536
back streets, all these things. is not

00:46:06.560 --> 00:46:08.055
necessarily coming from the dog off

00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.055
leash parks. However, when you walk in

00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.376
the dog off leash parks, there's lots of

00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.295
extra droppings that have been left and

00:46:14.319 --> 00:46:16.136
kind citizens such as myself do go and

00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:17.416
pick them up. But I don't report to

00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.656
council. So, it's going unnoticed. And

00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:22.055
so, the idea that we're only putting the

00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.575
bags at the same place. If they're not

00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:24.936
reported in the first place, they're not

00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.176
going to be not reported later. There's

00:46:27.200 --> 00:46:30.200
no change and no measurement there. So,

00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:32.936
what do we do?

00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.496
Millie, you may It is a challenge. We

00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:37.575
appreciate it's not an ideal measure. We

00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.256
know that there's a lot of unreporting

00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.176
and and people may not always report

00:46:41.200 --> 00:46:43.095
what they're seeing. Um our officers are

00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:44.936
out in the field a lot. They're um very

00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.016
connected with our dog community and and

00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:48.856
patrol regularly at the dog off lead

00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.575
areas and and other locations. Um so

00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.736
through their observations we could also

00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.016
um look at some measurements through

00:46:55.040 --> 00:46:56.536
that to try and you know get a picture

00:46:56.560 --> 00:46:58.616
of that and also through our engagement

00:46:58.640 --> 00:47:00.216
um with our dog community some of who

00:47:00.240 --> 00:47:02.055
are here today um to understand what

00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:03.575
they're seeing and feel and feeling out

00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.016
on the ground as well to try and fill

00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:07.335
that gap of of the serums and not always

00:47:07.359 --> 00:47:10.136
capturing all that data.

00:47:10.160 --> 00:47:13.160
 if we could if if we could stop

00:47:13.200 --> 00:47:14.936
chatting sorry in if you need to have a

00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.055
conversation can you take it out because

00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.575
it's quite distracting for us. Thank you

00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.815
very much in the chambers. Um I'll go to

00:47:19.839 --> 00:47:21.256
councellor Holidayiday and then councellor

00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.496
Tamman I will come to you in a moment.

00:47:23.520 --> 00:47:24.776
Thank you.

00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.800
 council man it's your turn.

00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.295
Jay thank you. I was a bit confused

00:47:30.319 --> 00:47:32.856
with the submitters  before because

00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.736
they didn't want us to do a trial of

00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.760
pool bags. In fact, my, you know, nearly

00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.095
understanding they didn't want any, you

00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.575
know, obviously the either the people

00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.656
provide their pull bags or if they have

00:47:45.680 --> 00:47:47.736
happened not to have one in their bag,

00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.295
, in their pocket, they use one of one

00:47:50.319 --> 00:47:52.856
of the pullback provided by councils

00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.335
through the trial.

00:47:55.359 --> 00:47:57.976
So, excuse me. So I was a bit confused

00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.536
about, you know, if they want people not

00:48:00.560 --> 00:48:01.896
even to use any pullbacks because

00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.616
they'll if they are either private or

00:48:04.640 --> 00:48:06.856
public pool bags, they will end up

00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.880
potentially in the base. So I assume the

00:48:10.319 --> 00:48:13.095
trial is  you know, we still expect

00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.815
our residents to have their own bags and

00:48:15.839 --> 00:48:18.839
 the the pull bag we provide is only

00:48:19.839 --> 00:48:21.815
if they've run out or if they haven't

00:48:21.839 --> 00:48:24.295
got any or as a matter of urgency. Is

00:48:24.319 --> 00:48:26.616
that correct? Did you get that Nelly to

00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:27.815
clarify? Thank you.

00:48:27.839 --> 00:48:29.256
Through you, Mayor. Yes, that's correct.

00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.736
It would remain an onus on every dog

00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.136
owner to carry um waste bags with them

00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:35.976
at all times. It is a requirement under

00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.055
the damp and part of our um commitment

00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.055
and education around responsible pet

00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:41.896
ownership.

00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.456
Great.  councellor Holidayiday.

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.456
Thank you, Mayor. Um I have  several

00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.480
questions if if you indulge me. Um, so

00:48:50.160 --> 00:48:52.136
I'm just wondering, you know, we we saw

00:48:52.160 --> 00:48:54.776
some submissions about the um across the

00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.095
state the number of households that have

00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.095
um dogs, for example, and there was a

00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.815
number of something like 40% um of

00:49:01.839 --> 00:49:03.335
households have have dogs. I'm just

00:49:03.359 --> 00:49:04.936
wondering here in the city of Port

00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.656
Phillip how many um dogs and cats we

00:49:07.680 --> 00:49:09.335
have registered.

00:49:09.359 --> 00:49:09.976
Nelly,

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.896
through you, Mayor. current figures are

00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:13.416
4,211

00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.896
cats and 8,260

00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.815
dogs are registered with the city of

00:49:17.839 --> 00:49:20.136
Port Phillip.

00:49:20.160 --> 00:49:23.160
Cool. And and how much do we collect um

00:49:24.240 --> 00:49:26.216
from registration fees for those dogs

00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:28.216
and cats separately?

00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:30.456
Yep. So through um domestic animal act

00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.295
which requires us to register dogs and

00:49:32.319 --> 00:49:35.176
cats in our area in the 2425 financial

00:49:35.200 --> 00:49:38.200
year we received $180,000 for

00:49:38.240 --> 00:49:41.240
registration of cats and $728,000

00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.295
for registers registered registration of

00:49:44.319 --> 00:49:47.319
dogs for a total income of $98,000

00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.216
in 2425.

00:49:50.240 --> 00:49:53.240
And further to that um how much do we

00:49:53.359 --> 00:49:56.136
spend managing domestic animals? like

00:49:56.160 --> 00:49:58.295
how much do we spend on our local laws,

00:49:58.319 --> 00:50:00.456
animal management staff, and I guess we

00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.776
have animal impound, other costs like

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:04.376
that. What do we spend?

00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.535
Yep. Through you, may um managing

00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.856
domestic animals costs about $1.2

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.880
million um in 2024 25, which included

00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:14.616
the pound service contract that you

00:50:14.640 --> 00:50:16.136
mentioned, which covers rehoming

00:50:16.160 --> 00:50:18.136
surrendered animals and reuniting lost

00:50:18.160 --> 00:50:20.696
animals with owners.  events including

00:50:20.720 --> 00:50:23.416
free drug dog training events run by the

00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.095
behavioral trainers at the Lost Dogs

00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.736
Home, animal adoption days, free and

00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.295
subsidized pet desexing, the home

00:50:30.319 --> 00:50:32.216
together program linking pet owners in

00:50:32.240 --> 00:50:34.776
crisis with services to provide support

00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.416
and prevent pet surreners, 24-hour

00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.736
support for our after hours service, the

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.416
staff and vehicle costs associated with

00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:43.976
that, as well as legal fees. Okay,

00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.616
if I might, one last question. One

00:50:46.640 --> 00:50:48.136
sorry, the CEO just wants to clarify

00:50:48.160 --> 00:50:50.295
something. So through you may can I

00:50:50.319 --> 00:50:51.575
clarify from the officer does that

00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.535
including the cost associated with um

00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:56.376
the capital investment and maintenance

00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.400
of dog off leash parks or additional

00:50:59.520 --> 00:51:02.520
expenditure required to fix sports

00:51:02.640 --> 00:51:04.376
fields etc

00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:05.736
through your man. No that does not

00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.496
include those costs. That's purely for

00:51:07.520 --> 00:51:09.095
the animal management.

00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:10.936
Which um which goes to my next question.

00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.960
How much of our um open space is  dog

00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:16.776
off leash areas

00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:19.800
through you may um of the 353 hectares

00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:22.136
of public open space in Port Phillip,

00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:24.776
there are 16 dog off leash reserves

00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.800
which is 12.8% or approximately 43.1

00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.016
hectares of open space. In addition,

00:51:31.040 --> 00:51:33.176
Albert Park Reserve managed by Parks

00:51:33.200 --> 00:51:35.416
Victoria has two areas for dogs off

00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.896
leash contributing a further 10.8 8

00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.295
hectares of dog off leash space as well

00:51:40.319 --> 00:51:42.776
as the 11 km of foreshore that have a

00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.095
variety of on and off lead across the

00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:46.295
year.

00:51:46.319 --> 00:51:47.176
Okay.

00:51:47.200 --> 00:51:47.815
Sorry to the

00:51:47.839 --> 00:51:48.856
this is your last one.

00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:50.856
It is you can cut me off after and sorry

00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:52.535
to the CEO's point. Do we know how much

00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.856
we spend maintaining those  doggo

00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.055
flesh parks?

00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:57.815
You may I had had I'd have to take that

00:51:57.839 --> 00:51:58.456
on notice.

00:51:58.480 --> 00:51:59.095
Thank you. Thank you.

00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.736
So I'm going to go to Deputy May M.

00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:04.216
Thank you Mayor Crawford. Um my question

00:52:04.240 --> 00:52:07.240
is  in relation to  dog walkers and

00:52:08.160 --> 00:52:11.095
particular the usage of  dog waste

00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.055
bags and given that  we're talking in

00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.456
the order of six to eight animals that a

00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.480
dog water dog walker would control. Um

00:52:21.359 --> 00:52:24.295
the permit requirements I realize are

00:52:24.319 --> 00:52:27.319
operational. My question is um what

00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:31.095
mandatory requirement or what compelling

00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.119
element of that permit is in relation to

00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.880
the dog walkers using dog waste bags for

00:52:38.319 --> 00:52:40.136
six or eight dogs

00:52:40.160 --> 00:52:42.216
through you may have to meet the same

00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:44.055
requirements as every dog owner in Port

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.295
Phillip and carry and pick up all dog

00:52:46.319 --> 00:52:48.696
waste. Um it is something that we are we

00:52:48.720 --> 00:52:50.216
have communication with our dog walking

00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:52.216
groups about. um they are professional

00:52:52.240 --> 00:52:53.896
commercial suppliers that we would be

00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:55.736
issuing permits to and we'd work with

00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.335
them so it would be the same conditions

00:52:57.359 --> 00:53:00.359
as um all dog owners in Portill.

00:53:00.720 --> 00:53:03.720
 council min

00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.456
4.1 looks at reviewing and simplifying

00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.376
the pet registration renewal process.

00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.456
Will that look at options like prata

00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.216
registrations and other forms of

00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:14.295
simplification to make it easier to

00:53:14.319 --> 00:53:16.856
register a dog throughout the year?

00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:17.416
Nelly

00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:18.856
through you, Mayor. Yes, we would look

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.016
at improvements around um the offerings

00:53:21.040 --> 00:53:23.656
on on offer, how that um interacts with

00:53:23.680 --> 00:53:26.055
our cusThomanner request system to ensure um

00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.136
residents can quickly um update and

00:53:28.160 --> 00:53:30.456
renew their their registrations. Yes.

00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:31.815
And one last question. Do we have an

00:53:31.839 --> 00:53:32.856
estimate around the number of

00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:34.936
unregistered dogs in the city of Port

00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.575
Phillip?

00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.416
Through you, Mayor. Very hard to tell.

00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:41.176
Um obviously you can see some stats in

00:53:41.200 --> 00:53:42.776
our in our paper today and we do have

00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.776
large numbers around 12,000 which is

00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.376
similar to a lot of other city councils

00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.616
that we look at. Um we are you know on

00:53:48.640 --> 00:53:50.535
our patrols we proactively make sure

00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:52.616
that all dogs are registered um as part

00:53:52.640 --> 00:53:54.535
of our patrols. Um so we don't have an

00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:56.136
exact figure but we're about even with

00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:58.776
other similar councils.

00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:00.696
I might ask a couple of questions at

00:54:00.720 --> 00:54:03.656
myself to the queue. Um,

00:54:03.680 --> 00:54:06.055
with the permit,

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.216
I'm not casting aspersions on any

00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:10.936
particular dog walker, but we I hear a

00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:12.376
lot of complaints around that dog

00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.936
walkers are not having their dogs under

00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:16.376
control and they let them off in our

00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.376
fenced off leash parks and then don't

00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.400
pick up the waste, etc. Is there will

00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.256
would we consider as part of the permit

00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:24.936
system that they could lose their permit

00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.736
if they are regularly been you know

00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:29.815
snaps solve and people seeing them

00:54:29.839 --> 00:54:32.839
because I feel that they are part of the

00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:35.176
bigger challenge

00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:37.496
through you may yes um it would be part

00:54:37.520 --> 00:54:39.256
of our approach with as with all permits

00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.936
under the local law of an ask tell

00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:42.856
enforce approach to ensure they were

00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:44.295
following those conditions and were

00:54:44.319 --> 00:54:46.776
aware of their um requirements. if they

00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.256
were not meeting those um revoking the

00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.176
permit is an option.

00:54:51.200 --> 00:54:54.136
Um then I could ask a further question

00:54:54.160 --> 00:54:57.160
given that in itself dog preags will not

00:54:57.839 --> 00:55:00.376
solve the problem and our goal is to

00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.400
lessen it not just to be unhave.

00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.079
Do officers

00:55:07.200 --> 00:55:09.496
um think that perhaps spending that

00:55:09.520 --> 00:55:12.055
money on signage and more I'm not sure

00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:13.896
exactly what the behavior um programs

00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.416
that change programs to have more

00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.656
responsible owners good ones look like

00:55:17.680 --> 00:55:19.815
or how they um get rolled out. Would

00:55:19.839 --> 00:55:22.216
that be or is it more proactive

00:55:22.240 --> 00:55:23.896
wandering around in all the parks that

00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.376
we have? Would that do officers feel

00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:29.400
that that might be more um productive or

00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.535
useful than actually just dog poo bags

00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:33.976
themselves?

00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:35.656
through you may it is a complex problem

00:55:35.680 --> 00:55:37.176
to fix. Unfortunately, we haven't found

00:55:37.200 --> 00:55:38.856
a council area that's eliminated dog

00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.335
waste completely. Um we do know from

00:55:41.359 --> 00:55:44.359
feedback that um proactive patrols and

00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:46.535
visibility of of my staff out there

00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.559
every day um is a reminder to those um

00:55:49.680 --> 00:55:51.176
who are walking dogs of their

00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:53.335
responsibilities in a range of areas um

00:55:53.359 --> 00:55:56.359
especially around waste. Um but we don't

00:55:56.640 --> 00:55:58.936
have quantitative measures of of what

00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.656
you know overall works. Um we do try a

00:56:01.680 --> 00:56:03.416
range of things including that education

00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:05.815
piece. Um through every registration we

00:56:05.839 --> 00:56:07.095
provide information about the

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.335
requirements. Um we make sure that there

00:56:09.359 --> 00:56:11.335
are bins located nearby to make it as

00:56:11.359 --> 00:56:12.696
easy as possible to be able to dispose

00:56:12.720 --> 00:56:13.815
of it quickly so they don't have to

00:56:13.839 --> 00:56:15.575
carry it for long periods. All of those

00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:17.496
things to make it a clear expectation

00:56:17.520 --> 00:56:19.656
and to make it an easy option so that

00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:22.680
people do it the majority of the time.

00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.055
Any other questions?

00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.535
 councellors we have an officer's

00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.055
recommendation. Do we have this or

00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:31.976
something else? councellor Cunsolo,

00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:33.976
I'd like to move an alt motion, please.

00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.000
Yes. Can we get that up on the screen,

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.696
please? And if you could read out the

00:56:40.720 --> 00:56:41.736
altered section.

00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:43.736
So, instead of um in the officer's

00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.295
recommendation 3.5 says does not proceed

00:56:46.319 --> 00:56:49.016
with dog  trial of dog waste bags, it

00:56:49.040 --> 00:56:52.040
now reads notes the community feedback.

00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.976
Wait, shake. Jay. Supporting the

00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.616
introduction of dog waste  bags in

00:56:56.640 --> 00:56:59.640
public spaces. 3.6 6 approves a 14-month

00:57:00.160 --> 00:57:02.535
trial of dog waste bags in 12 off off

00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:04.535
leash parks across municipality to be

00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.496
informed through community input. 3.7

00:57:07.520 --> 00:57:09.656
further investigates a system to allow

00:57:09.680 --> 00:57:11.815
traders and organizations to apply for a

00:57:11.839 --> 00:57:14.696
dog waste bag dispenser and bags to help

00:57:14.720 --> 00:57:16.376
reduce dog waste concerns in our

00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.856
municipality. 3.8 allocates the

00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.016
remaining $50,000 in budget savings from

00:57:21.040 --> 00:57:23.815
the damp project to fund the trial. and

00:57:23.839 --> 00:57:25.736
3.9

00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.376
there at 3.9 requests officers to report

00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.856
back to council the outcomes at 

00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.880
conclusion of the trial.

00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:35.416
 do I have a seconder?

00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:36.295
Happy to second.

00:57:36.319 --> 00:57:38.216
Council Min second. All right, councellor

00:57:38.240 --> 00:57:39.496
Cunsolo.

00:57:39.520 --> 00:57:42.520
Thank you. Um I'll speak to the entire

00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:44.055
item because there's a lot of work here

00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.376
in the damp that's beyond dog waste bags

00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:47.976
even though that part is quite up to

00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.936
debate tonight. Um,

00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.960
I think we owning a pet is expensive and

00:57:54.799 --> 00:57:56.535
including that requirement for an annual

00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.136
council registration feels like just

00:57:58.160 --> 00:58:00.216
another burden, another cost of the tax

00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:03.240
or whatever that to to have this. But it

00:58:03.520 --> 00:58:05.095
would be a really big impact if council

00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.176
didn't provide all the services that we

00:58:07.200 --> 00:58:08.856
do in this area. But it really becoMearsa

00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.095
a a question of who pays for it like is

00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.176
that for everybody? And some are across

00:58:13.200 --> 00:58:16.200
the general  public why we need these

00:58:16.640 --> 00:58:18.936
kind of services. But many are just

00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.176
specific to the animals. But some that I

00:58:21.200 --> 00:58:22.856
don't think have been highlighted enough

00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.575
are really about dog baiting and picking

00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.136
up the puffer fish on the on the beach.

00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:30.136
These are the things that the dogs can

00:58:30.160 --> 00:58:32.535
die. There's so much and this is a fear

00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:34.535
I hear from dog owners in the area.

00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.535
They're just just so worried when they

00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.216
hear about this. And that's a service

00:58:38.240 --> 00:58:40.775
that council's helping with the RSPCA

00:58:40.799 --> 00:58:43.016
for the dog baiting etc. Councils of

00:58:43.040 --> 00:58:45.095
people turn people turn councils the

00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:46.616
organization people turn to when they're

00:58:46.640 --> 00:58:48.616
concerned. They say, "Was that dog bite?

00:58:48.640 --> 00:58:51.095
Was it? What happened?" So they can 

00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.016
go out and enjoy our open spaces with

00:58:53.040 --> 00:58:56.040
their beloved pets. Um with the dog

00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.216
waste bags. Look, this is a really hard

00:59:02.240 --> 00:59:04.456
one. You could you could really get me

00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:06.376
to swing either way on whether this is a

00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.176
good idea or not. I think that it's not

00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:11.736
necessarily going to solve the problem

00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.656
of the few people who ruin it for the

00:59:13.680 --> 00:59:16.680
majority and  but it does happen. You

00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:18.775
just run out of a bag and so the idea

00:59:18.799 --> 00:59:20.696
that we can't just provide so that when

00:59:20.720 --> 00:59:22.775
that one time happens is really

00:59:22.799 --> 00:59:24.295
upsetting and disappointing. So it's a

00:59:24.319 --> 00:59:26.535
cost versus a value of perceived value

00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.295
on this one. And I look at other

00:59:28.319 --> 00:59:31.095
councils and I saw today Mearshas 47 dog

00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.496
parks that have dog bags. That's a huge

00:59:33.520 --> 00:59:35.335
amount and we're just trying to say well

00:59:35.359 --> 00:59:37.736
what if we try it at 12 but again

00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.335
putting out the dog parks isn't

00:59:39.359 --> 00:59:41.016
necessarily going to be where the issue

00:59:41.040 --> 00:59:43.335
is. I really like the idea that we can

00:59:43.359 --> 00:59:45.496
get some empowerment through our high

00:59:45.520 --> 00:59:47.736
street traders our foreshore traders or

00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:49.496
organizations who say hey Jay we'll

00:59:49.520 --> 00:59:51.256
we'll put one on our wall and we'll

00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:52.775
check it make sure that it has bags in

00:59:52.799 --> 00:59:54.295
it because then it's in the places that

00:59:54.319 --> 00:59:55.575
the issue might be happening more

00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.456
frequently. So I can't say it's going to

00:59:58.480 --> 00:59:59.896
be a success but I think it's worth

00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:02.376
trying. Um, and it could be even that

01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:03.736
they put a sign, a sticker in the window

01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:05.496
that says we have bags. Just ask us cuz

01:00:05.520 --> 01:00:07.176
maybe you'll buy a coffee at the same

01:00:07.200 --> 01:00:09.496
time because you feel you should, you

01:00:09.520 --> 01:00:11.016
know, there's opportunities here that we

01:00:11.040 --> 01:00:13.496
can really look at outside the box to

01:00:13.520 --> 01:00:16.520
help when people get caught out and um,

01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.599
Jay, just improve the the issue.

01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:22.376
, I would like to see if we could find

01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.216
some single dispensing dog bags because

01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:25.335
I think when they're on the rolls, it

01:00:25.359 --> 01:00:26.456
really is a problem that people just

01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.376
keep keep taking. But  I haven't seen

01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.216
any of those personally  when I've

01:00:30.240 --> 01:00:33.176
looked.  I think that's enough for me.

01:00:33.200 --> 01:00:34.616
Thank you.

01:00:34.640 --> 01:00:37.575
Thank you  council man.

01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:40.136
The important part of this motion or the

01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:41.896
alternate recommendation is the

01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.775
community input and  rather than

01:00:44.799 --> 01:00:47.016
council nominating sites, it's important

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:49.176
that we also have that community input

01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:51.736
to inform the sites that are chosen and

01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.575
that is where we can hear from our

01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:55.575
community around the suitability of

01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:58.136
particular sites rather than us trying

01:00:58.160 --> 01:01:00.696
to figure out what they are on our own.

01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:03.095
Committee input is a process that leads

01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.896
to stronger, better, more effective

01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.136
outcomes. It also means that our

01:01:08.160 --> 01:01:11.160
community can take the the effort and

01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:13.575
has the motivation to also look at

01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:15.656
monitoring the effectiveness of this

01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:18.055
trial as well. You know, the domestic

01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:20.696
animal management plan is effectively a

01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:22.936
management plan. compliance tool and

01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.256
this is really around ensuring how do we

01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.896
better effective  better manage the

01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.920
amenity of owning maintaining caring for

01:01:31.520 --> 01:01:33.656
pets within our municipality you know

01:01:33.680 --> 01:01:35.736
beyond dogs there's obviously cats and

01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.575
other domestic pets that are also

01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:39.896
covered through the damp

01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.535
but you know the consultation to date

01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.016
and I acknowledge and commend council

01:01:45.040 --> 01:01:46.936
offic's efforts in the dog working

01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:48.295
community and working with those

01:01:48.319 --> 01:01:50.936
stakeholders and looking then at how we

01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:53.575
better manage dog walkers and the permit

01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:55.575
conditions and look forward to that

01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:57.896
being undertaken and also you know this

01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.976
issue that has been in terms of dog

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.055
waste bags that has been vexing this

01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.535
council for a while in now ensuring that

01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.016
we have the committee input to inform

01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:09.095
the decision that we ultimately make. I

01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.416
commend the motion both the plan the

01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:13.896
motion and our community in being able

01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.920
to ensure that this trial is effective.

01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.000
Thank you. , councellor Buckingham is a

01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.095
clarifying question. Jay. Okay. Well,

01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.176
I'll allow

01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:28.200
um in

01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.575
3.6,

01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.599
it states off leash parks.

01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.000
If we were to decide that one of those

01:02:39.359 --> 01:02:41.896
12 locations should be a green space,

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.295
for example, like Bernard Gay Reserve in

01:02:44.319 --> 01:02:46.376
Ripen Lee that is not technically an off

01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:48.456
leash park but is very heavily used by

01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:50.535
dog owners.

01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.016
Would we be able to put a dispenser in

01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:55.416
such spaces or do I need to actually

01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:57.656
propose an amendment to these words?

01:02:57.680 --> 01:03:00.295
Nelly, what would you um is it loose

01:03:00.319 --> 01:03:03.319
enough or do we need to amend

01:03:03.359 --> 01:03:04.775
through you Mayor? The recommendation

01:03:04.799 --> 01:03:07.575
for off leash dog parks was to again try

01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:09.736
and enforce where dogs can be on and off

01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:11.815
leash. Um but we could look at

01:03:11.839 --> 01:03:13.896
colllocating them with a public bin. We

01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:15.176
want to make sure that there's a bin

01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:18.136
close by to the dispenser. The

01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:20.376
recommendation would be to

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:21.976
be an off leash dog park. So

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:23.815
okay. So hang on councellor Cunsoloe are

01:03:23.839 --> 01:03:26.136
you willing

01:03:26.160 --> 01:03:27.575
wondering under governance if I could

01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:29.416
just adjust it to say locations 12

01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.176
locations and then it's a little bit

01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:32.376
because we are going to community input.

01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.400
the Y limit

01:03:35.680 --> 01:03:36.936
and can I say something?

01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:37.896
Okay. So, with the permission of the

01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.416
mover, we can make that change.

01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:42.440
Okay. So, I'd like on three say 12

01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:44.456
locations across the municipality. Thank

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:45.815
you.

01:03:45.839 --> 01:03:48.216
Thank you.

01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:48.856
What was that?

01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:50.696
Can Excuse me. Like I don't know. It's

01:03:50.720 --> 01:03:53.416
 hard when you are not in the room.

01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:55.736
Hang on. So, we're not going to having a

01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:56.696
chat.

01:03:56.720 --> 01:03:59.416
No, no. I just can we

01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:01.656
Yes. It's a quite instead of saying 12

01:04:01.680 --> 01:04:04.680
location, can we say up to 12 locations?

01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.775
I am accepting of that input.

01:04:10.799 --> 01:04:11.815
This is governing.

01:04:11.839 --> 01:04:14.055
It was very to be honest last minute on

01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.055
my part. So I'm more than happy to

01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:17.335
adjust this to

01:04:17.359 --> 01:04:18.535
Jay. to suit.

01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:20.376
So could we make that adjustment justice

01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.696
made? Okay. Thank you councellors. All

01:04:22.720 --> 01:04:24.775
right. Back to speaking to this slightly

01:04:24.799 --> 01:04:26.936
adjusted  motion that we're

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.960
considering. councellor Holidayiday.

01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:33.240
Um we've talked a lot about  the goals

01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.440
of this  this pilot in reducing the

01:04:36.799 --> 01:04:39.799
amount of um dog poo um out in the

01:04:40.799 --> 01:04:43.256
world.  I think a it's going to be

01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:46.280
very hard to prove that this has um has

01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.015
made a significant impact on the amount

01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:51.656
of dog waste because  we see again a

01:04:51.680 --> 01:04:53.976
lot of the reports people will report

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.575
dog waste in places where they don't

01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:57.976
expect to see dog waste and don't

01:04:58.000 --> 01:04:59.976
tolerate seeing dog waste and those

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.976
probably aren't usually the places where

01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.000
we will be placing these bags. Um so my

01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.295
consideration for this and my approach

01:05:08.319 --> 01:05:11.319
to this is about service provision for

01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:14.216
our community and you know to my

01:05:14.240 --> 01:05:16.936
questions earlier are were about how

01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:18.775
many people have dogs in our community?

01:05:18.799 --> 01:05:21.656
How many how do those people contribute

01:05:21.680 --> 01:05:24.616
as a you know by paying a dedicated

01:05:24.640 --> 01:05:26.535
additional fee for the services they

01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:29.015
provide and what value do they get from

01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:31.095
the rest of their rates towards that

01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.055
particular activity. And my comparison

01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:37.079
here is with recreation. We spend a vast

01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:40.136
amount of money on sports fields and

01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:42.535
sports facilities that not everyone in

01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:44.856
our community uses. So I think that it

01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.880
is not unreasonable for people who, you

01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:50.535
know, have children or have dogs or have

01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:53.559
some other thing to um expect a level of

01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.216
service parody that we offer in other

01:05:56.240 --> 01:05:57.815
areas and that is offered in other

01:05:57.839 --> 01:06:00.696
geographical areas. um rather than us

01:06:00.720 --> 01:06:02.856
having to justify every single thing by

01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:04.696
saying that, you know, miraculously

01:06:04.720 --> 01:06:05.976
everyone's going to pick up after their

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.295
dog every time. So, I'm happy to support

01:06:08.319 --> 01:06:11.319
this um and I'm happy to um invest in

01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.480
the services and the service parody that

01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:18.535
our community should expect from us as a

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.559
council um based on what we see around

01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:24.599
us um as good service delivery and um

01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.119
just good council kind of practice. So I

01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.880
will support this

01:06:32.160 --> 01:06:35.160
council J.

01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.696
Hours of community ser community

01:06:38.720 --> 01:06:41.095
consultations gone in this hundreds of

01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:44.119
emails and um I will support I will

01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:48.119
support this motion tonight. Um, but I

01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:50.696
did hear you all when and we all hear

01:06:50.720 --> 01:06:53.416
you when you say that we need  better

01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.440
education, better signage, um more more

01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.456
responsibility amongst the community to

01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.480
clean up our um our our our communal

01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:06.680
problems. We met with um a a local

01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.216
resident that's blind today and he spoke

01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:12.696
of one of his biggest problems is when

01:07:12.720 --> 01:07:15.496
he's walking out to leave for the day

01:07:15.520 --> 01:07:17.736
with his guide dog and then he steps in

01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:20.760
dog poo. Um for for someone that's you

01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:22.616
know you'll find some grass clean it off

01:07:22.640 --> 01:07:24.216
for this gentleman. He needs to go home

01:07:24.240 --> 01:07:26.055
and start his day all over again after

01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.079
he cleans up. So um we do have problems

01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:30.535
on our high street. So thank you

01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:32.775
councellor Cunsolo for for amending that

01:07:32.799 --> 01:07:35.799
because we want to hear from you where

01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.376
the problems are and how we can find a

01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.456
solution while we add value to our

01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:41.976
community. So absolutely there'll be

01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.295
metrics, there'll be education and

01:07:44.319 --> 01:07:46.216
there'll be shared responsibility. So

01:07:46.240 --> 01:07:49.240
thank you all for your comments.

01:07:50.640 --> 01:07:53.015
C councellor Thomann.

01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:55.095
Yes, I support this motion. Obviously, I

01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:58.119
have a dog, so I'm concerned. And  I

01:07:58.240 --> 01:08:00.616
normally have poo bags in my pocket. 

01:08:00.640 --> 01:08:03.640
but um I agree totally with what's

01:08:04.640 --> 01:08:07.496
recommended. Unfortunately, I think 

01:08:07.520 --> 01:08:10.295
education can only go that far. I think

01:08:10.319 --> 01:08:13.319
some people are lazy.  by providing

01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:15.256
pullbacks for someone who hasn't got

01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.976
one, hopefully that will help them, you

01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.775
know, come over the laziness they might

01:08:20.799 --> 01:08:23.799
feel or have. Um

01:08:23.839 --> 01:08:26.839
I am pleased you know in I was the head

01:08:27.679 --> 01:08:29.496
of the committees that looked at the

01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.295
change of the dam back in my days and we

01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:33.735
had a committee with lots of

01:08:33.759 --> 01:08:36.759
consultation before actually  this the

01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:39.016
thing came to council which I think in

01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:41.175
this case didn't really happen. So we

01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.175
you know the dog walkers the pool bags

01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.199
all those things  came up  towards

01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:47.976
the end of the process. So I would hope

01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.376
that in the future this is discussed

01:08:50.400 --> 01:08:53.400
before it coMearsas a report.  but I do

01:08:54.799 --> 01:08:57.016
you know we have sort of  corrected

01:08:57.040 --> 01:09:00.040
the pass at the end to  follow and

01:09:00.799 --> 01:09:02.456
respond to committee feedback and I

01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:05.480
think this  recommendation response to

01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.000
that  and you know dog dog and cat

01:09:09.679 --> 01:09:11.815
owners are passionate and they love

01:09:11.839 --> 01:09:13.896
their dogs you know they are for them

01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.496
like their children. So I think it's

01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:18.456
important that we provide good service

01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:21.096
 in our city and this 

01:09:21.120 --> 01:09:22.936
recommendation

01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.815
 responds to that.

01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:27.735
 deputy may

01:09:27.759 --> 01:09:30.616
thank you. Um I don't know this is

01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.175
clarifying I suppose but it to the point

01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:36.199
about single bag dispensers it it's not

01:09:36.480 --> 01:09:38.135
clear in there and I'm absolutely in

01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:41.159
support of that. And secondly, the

01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:43.335
$50,000

01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:45.335
in budgets

01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.135
allocates remaining 50,000. Um I'm

01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:50.536
assuming a component of that will

01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:53.496
include some form of education either at

01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.520
the dispenser or at  the appropriate

01:09:57.440 --> 01:09:59.976
points because I believe one of the

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.000
issues that we are confronted with is

01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:06.120
certainly people some people don't care

01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.936
but we need to educate people that these

01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:11.416
bags which were never available in the

01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:14.376
past have now become available and that

01:10:14.400 --> 01:10:17.400
people should be using

01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:23.320
, councellor Buckingham,

01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:27.016
I'd like to thank all the residents 

01:10:27.040 --> 01:10:28.695
and members of the community that have

01:10:28.719 --> 01:10:31.719
contacted me about  throughout this

01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.056
consultation and with to do with this 

01:10:34.080 --> 01:10:37.016
policy. I had

01:10:37.040 --> 01:10:39.336
really um interesting and informative

01:10:39.360 --> 01:10:41.175
conversations particularly with  dog

01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:43.655
walkers and people that use the dog

01:10:43.679 --> 01:10:46.376
walking services and  how we manage

01:10:46.400 --> 01:10:49.016
animals has a real lasting impact on

01:10:49.040 --> 01:10:51.576
people's lives whether it's pet owners

01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:54.600
or um neighbors to pet owners um and in

01:10:57.360 --> 01:10:58.616
regards to this particular question

01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.096
about dog bags

01:11:01.120 --> 01:11:03.976
I think

01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:07.000
there There are multiple ways we can

01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:09.976
seek to improve

01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.456
the service delivery to this particular

01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:15.480
cohort and to actually prevent um dog

01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.000
waste and poo bags is one sort of um

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.296
arrow in our bow. We've also increased

01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:24.056
street cleaning along our high streets

01:11:24.080 --> 01:11:26.856
in the recent budget. This will also I

01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.816
believe see a marked um improvement in

01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.695
the cleanliness of our streets including

01:11:32.719 --> 01:11:35.719
dog poo. Um, we can provide the bag, we

01:11:37.040 --> 01:11:39.175
can do a trial of the bags and do better

01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:42.199
education and do better signage and um,

01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.096
just because we're doing one trial

01:11:45.120 --> 01:11:46.936
doesn't mean we can't do these other

01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:49.336
things as well. I'd like to acknowledge

01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:50.856
the concerns about the environmental

01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.880
impact of , providing even if it's bio

01:11:55.440 --> 01:11:58.135
degradable plastic, it's still um, there

01:11:58.159 --> 01:11:59.896
is a real risk that it will add to

01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:02.920
litter. And so I think that this trial

01:12:03.360 --> 01:12:05.416
needs to be live to that risk as well.

01:12:05.440 --> 01:12:08.440
And we can do this trial um the way it's

01:12:10.400 --> 01:12:12.776
outlined and

01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.856
monitor the impact on litter and the

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:16.936
impact that it's going to have and

01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.960
potentially not continue with this or

01:12:20.719 --> 01:12:22.296
amend it or put it in different

01:12:22.320 --> 01:12:25.320
locations um with our waterways in mind.

01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.695
So, um, while I know it's not perfect,

01:12:28.719 --> 01:12:29.976
it's not going to solve all of the

01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.816
problems, I think it's an additional

01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:34.376
action in a suite of activities that

01:12:34.400 --> 01:12:36.536
we're undertaking as a council that will

01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.560
improve the amenity of our streets and

01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:41.416
make life a little bit easier for dog

01:12:41.440 --> 01:12:43.896
owners.

01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:45.816
councellor Hardy,

01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.376
I don't have a dog, so don't have a cat,

01:12:48.400 --> 01:12:50.695
don't have a fish, don't have a rabbit.

01:12:50.719 --> 01:12:53.719
I agree with the signage and the signage

01:12:54.080 --> 01:12:56.936
should state pick up your dog waste and

01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.960
register your dog.

01:13:03.679 --> 01:13:05.655
Um, I'm going to speak to this and I am

01:13:05.679 --> 01:13:07.576
going to be the naysayer in this group.

01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:09.655
Um, and I will foreshadow if this

01:13:09.679 --> 01:13:12.296
somehow fails, I will bring the office's

01:13:12.320 --> 01:13:14.135
original recommendation to not bring a

01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.856
child. I think it dep depends on what

01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.880
you determine service

01:13:20.080 --> 01:13:21.816
and I I think I flank Jen for this

01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.496
conversation. She opened my eyes. Anyone

01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:25.416
can buy a roll of poo bags. That's not

01:13:25.440 --> 01:13:27.256
actually but they can't afford to

01:13:27.280 --> 01:13:28.856
upgrade a park and make it more

01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:30.695
interesting for dogs. They can't afford

01:13:30.719 --> 01:13:32.776
and not legally allowed to fence a park

01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:34.776
to make it more safer for dogs. They're

01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.616
not they're not able to pull their money

01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.175
and buy a property that we can turn into

01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.096
open space where dogs are allowed. That

01:13:41.120 --> 01:13:43.096
is the remade of council. that is the

01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:44.776
bigger kind of service, the kind of

01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:46.695
opportunity we can actually offer the

01:13:46.719 --> 01:13:48.296
community that they can't do for

01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:50.215
themselves.

01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:52.296
So I would actually argue that the

01:13:52.320 --> 01:13:53.736
service and we can have provide

01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.296
proactive patrols where we can actually

01:13:56.320 --> 01:13:59.320
do that proactive behavior education. We

01:13:59.440 --> 01:14:01.576
can print signs and put them up legally

01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.736
on all of our fences. I'm going to ask

01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:06.056
you to rethink this councellors actually

01:14:06.080 --> 01:14:07.496
what we can do if we're looking to

01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.296
provide better service for our community

01:14:10.320 --> 01:14:12.376
and to reduce the amount of dog waste.

01:14:12.400 --> 01:14:15.016
They they're not the dog poo bags is not

01:14:15.040 --> 01:14:16.856
the answer to all of this. Let's look at

01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:19.576
what service we can uniquely provide and

01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:21.256
it's at a scale that the average

01:14:21.280 --> 01:14:24.280
household cannot and that dog poo bags

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.695
will actually not get us any further to

01:14:26.719 --> 01:14:29.719
where we want to go. I also urge you if

01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:31.175
you're not going to if you're going to

01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:33.576
vote for it to be really open to the

01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.600
trial ending like really trial not set

01:14:36.719 --> 01:14:39.719
this in stone because I actually think

01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:41.816
we're not I've spoken to councellors and

01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:43.096
Mayors from other city and although they

01:14:43.120 --> 01:14:44.936
have dog poo bags it's not really

01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:46.616
working and they are looking at us

01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:48.456
wishing they could take the dog bags

01:14:48.480 --> 01:14:51.016
away they actually have said that but

01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:53.336
it's very hard when other councils have

01:14:53.360 --> 01:14:54.936
it so I feel like we're being peer

01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:56.616
pressured because it's a nice to have

01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:58.776
not an actual solution to the service

01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:01.800
level or reducing um dog waste in our

01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:04.215
community. I think I would rather spend

01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:07.239
that 50k on fencing Clark reserve to

01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:10.376
make it safer for dogs for looking

01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:12.215
fooling money and looking for another

01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:13.976
park that we could turn into dog off

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.695
leash for better signage everywhere high

01:15:16.719 --> 01:15:19.719
streets everywhere for more proactive

01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.000
patrolling and improving dog park. So I

01:15:23.440 --> 01:15:26.440
think that or more innovative ways to do

01:15:26.719 --> 01:15:29.576
dog behavior. I actually think this is

01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:31.336
going backwards. Port Philip was a

01:15:31.360 --> 01:15:33.016
leader all those years ago to reduce it

01:15:33.040 --> 01:15:35.016
because it was ending up in the bay. And

01:15:35.040 --> 01:15:36.695
as a plugger who cleans up regularly on

01:15:36.719 --> 01:15:38.936
the foreshore, there are empty and full

01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.576
dog bags that I constantly clean up. It

01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.600
is it is the behavior that we need to

01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:47.096
change. And I'm really urging you to

01:15:47.120 --> 01:15:49.496
rethink that that maybe what we're

01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:52.135
looking is a better service and and it

01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:54.296
doesn't relate to the dog poo bags that

01:15:54.320 --> 01:15:56.536
we provide. Anyway, that's my two cents

01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:58.856
worth. I um I'd ask you to consider that

01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:00.296
there might be other ways to better

01:16:00.320 --> 01:16:03.320
spend 50k a year. Um and and um

01:16:05.280 --> 01:16:07.175
and and

01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:09.256
vote as you will, but if if you're going

01:16:09.280 --> 01:16:11.336
to vote for it, please vote for it as a

01:16:11.360 --> 01:16:13.816
trial and really be prepared to roll it

01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:15.655
back next year if we if these results

01:16:15.679 --> 01:16:17.576
that you think it might provide are not

01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:20.600
obvious. Thank you. Um who moved it?

01:16:21.280 --> 01:16:22.776
I've forgotten. councellor Cunsolo. All

01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:24.376
right, let's put that to the vote. All

01:16:24.400 --> 01:16:26.856
those in favor?

01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:29.736
All those against. Should I do a Should

01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:32.135
I do a division? self-division.

01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:34.056
All right. Um, all those in favor,

01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:35.736
councellor Buckingham, councellor Cunsolo,

01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:37.096
councellor Holidayiday, councellor Hardy,

01:16:37.120 --> 01:16:38.776
councellor Thomann, councellor Jay,

01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.576
councellor Min, councellor Miz, and I'll

01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:43.336
all those against. Obviously, my my

01:16:43.360 --> 01:16:45.256
speech failed. councellor Crawford. All

01:16:45.280 --> 01:16:45.655
right.

01:16:45.679 --> 01:16:48.056
Good points. Very good point. Sorry.

01:16:48.080 --> 01:16:49.896
All right, councellors, we are moving on

01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:52.776
to we might do this quick one and then

01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:54.776
 do we think Sorry, before I say do we

01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:56.056
take a break, do you think the caravan

01:16:56.080 --> 01:16:56.695
one might

01:16:56.719 --> 01:16:58.215
I have a lot of questions. Okay, so we

01:16:58.239 --> 01:16:59.576
might take a five minute break now and

01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:00.936
because we've got two kind of bigger

01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:02.776
items coming back. Thank you everyone.

01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:05.800
So whatever that time is at 1953.

01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:12.215
Okay councellors, we're resuming on 11.2

01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:13.576
which is the proposed local law

01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:15.576
amendment for the storage of caravans,

01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:17.496
boats and trailers on council land and

01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:19.816
roads. Do we have some questions?

01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:22.840
councellor Cunsolo. Thank you. Um, in

01:17:23.679 --> 01:17:25.736
general, when we're doing a local law,

01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:26.936
does the wording have to be

01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:29.576
prescriptive? It's exactly the wording,

01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:32.600
, we're intending, and if it changes

01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:34.376
through community engagement, do we have

01:17:34.400 --> 01:17:35.816
to come back again?

01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:36.856
Nelly Montiku,

01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:38.536
through you, Mayor. The requirements in

01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:40.536
the local government act have very um

01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:42.456
strict process for any introduction of a

01:17:42.480 --> 01:17:44.776
local law, which requires engagement on

01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:46.215
exactly the wording you would want to

01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:48.376
see in the local law and sufficient time

01:17:48.400 --> 01:17:50.056
for the community to understand and give

01:17:50.080 --> 01:17:52.456
feedback on that. For example, in this

01:17:52.480 --> 01:17:55.336
one, we're saying 14 days um in a 60-day

01:17:55.360 --> 01:17:57.736
period um would be the maximum caravans,

01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.016
boats, and trailers that are registered

01:17:59.040 --> 01:18:01.416
would a would be able to be parked. If

01:18:01.440 --> 01:18:03.655
we had engagement and and that number,

01:18:03.679 --> 01:18:06.376
for example, community wanted 20 days or

01:18:06.400 --> 01:18:08.695
10 days, we would need to engage again

01:18:08.719 --> 01:18:10.536
to make sure that everyone had a had a

01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:12.376
chance to have a look at that proposed

01:18:12.400 --> 01:18:14.695
local law prior to the next steps.

01:18:14.719 --> 01:18:17.655
Excellent. Thank you. Um,

01:18:17.679 --> 01:18:20.679
so with the exact wording right now it's

01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:24.600
listed as 14 days. Does that need to say

01:18:25.040 --> 01:18:28.040
14 consecutive days

01:18:28.320 --> 01:18:31.320
through you may? No. Means 14 days in a

01:18:31.360 --> 01:18:33.655
60-day period. Um, so it would be

01:18:33.679 --> 01:18:36.135
assessed by officers what the impact of

01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:39.159
the parking was. Um, how regularly if at

01:18:39.360 --> 01:18:41.655
all that vehicle was being moved and how

01:18:41.679 --> 01:18:44.456
far from that location. So, it's 14 days

01:18:44.480 --> 01:18:47.175
within a 60-day period.

01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:49.096
Okay. So, if someone's going to report

01:18:49.120 --> 01:18:50.695
it, it's becoming a nuisance in their

01:18:50.719 --> 01:18:52.856
area, they have to wait the 60 days to

01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:55.880
have counted 14 to be able to report it

01:18:56.480 --> 01:18:58.135
through you, Mayor, we would recommend

01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.135
that. But if people are having concerns,

01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:01.736
they can always raise it with us as soon

01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:03.175
as they have concerns and that will help

01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.056
us understand the situation, begin to um

01:19:06.080 --> 01:19:07.976
gather evidence, attempt to contact the

01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:10.695
owner of the vehicle of concern um and

01:19:10.719 --> 01:19:12.135
understand the situation that's going on

01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:13.336
there. It's very similar to our

01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:15.016
abandoned vehicle process and some other

01:19:15.040 --> 01:19:16.776
ones we already have. As soon as we

01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:18.296
receive a request, we begin to

01:19:18.320 --> 01:19:20.456
investigate, but we would under this

01:19:20.480 --> 01:19:23.480
local law proposal need to wait a 60-day

01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.576
period to fully understand what was

01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:26.856
happening in the case.

01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:28.856
Thank you. How far does someone have to

01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.736
move a vehicle or trailer  for it to

01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:33.736
be considered moved?

01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:35.655
Through you, may there's not a exact

01:19:35.679 --> 01:19:37.655
distance that is set. Um it is through

01:19:37.679 --> 01:19:39.576
officer discretion and through the

01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:41.736
investigation to understand what is the

01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.376
impact and on which residents. Um, we

01:19:44.400 --> 01:19:45.976
don't have an exact distance that it

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:47.496
would need to be moved, but it's all

01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.296
about the impact of that parking on

01:19:50.320 --> 01:19:52.296
whoever has raised the concern and what

01:19:52.320 --> 01:19:54.936
would alleviate that concern.

01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.096
If do we have a set rule for when it

01:19:57.120 --> 01:19:58.456
coMearsto paid parking, how far you have

01:19:58.480 --> 01:20:01.016
to move it for it to be considered

01:20:01.040 --> 01:20:02.936
through you, Mayor. It's a um number of

01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:05.016
blocks from um where that existing

01:20:05.040 --> 01:20:07.496
parking is to enable parking turnover.

01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:10.520
Okay.  sorry, one more. Um the

01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:14.296
so we've talking about caravans but what

01:20:14.320 --> 01:20:15.655
about motor hoMearsand recreational

01:20:15.679 --> 01:20:17.496
vehicles the ones that people can drive

01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:19.496
but might not necessarily be a primary

01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:20.776
vehicle

01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:22.296
through you may at the moment we're not

01:20:22.320 --> 01:20:25.016
proposing to include motor hoMearsin this

01:20:25.040 --> 01:20:26.695
local law um through the engagement

01:20:26.719 --> 01:20:28.936
period if that becoMearsum an area of

01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:30.936
concern we could consider including

01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.096
that. Um, this recommendation is based

01:20:33.120 --> 01:20:34.856
on current concerns which are mainly

01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:36.695
around vehicles that can't be driven

01:20:36.719 --> 01:20:38.536
themselves and required to be towed and

01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:40.376
when left for long periods create

01:20:40.400 --> 01:20:41.496
concern.

01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:44.456
Thank you. Any other questions?

01:20:44.480 --> 01:20:45.896
councellor Holidayiday, did you have

01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:47.896
some?

01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:49.416
Thank you, Matt. Just clarifying there

01:20:49.440 --> 01:20:51.896
on day 15 they're in breach of this

01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:54.215
local law presumably like there's

01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.456
nothing they can do to

01:20:56.480 --> 01:20:58.776
from that point to have fewer days

01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:00.936
across the rest of the 60 days

01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:02.376
through you may ma'am we would want to

01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:03.976
understand the whole situation across

01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:06.376
the two months to understand you know is

01:21:06.400 --> 01:21:08.776
it um not been moved for that period and

01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:10.135
then it's no longer there for the

01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:12.135
remaining couple of weeks each case is

01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:14.215
different and requires investigation um

01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.536
the 14 days is our trigger that you know

01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:18.776
if there is that evidence on that that

01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.856
we could issue notices to comply,

01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:22.856
warnings um and potential infringement

01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:24.135
if required.

01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:26.135
Can I ask a beloved question? I thought

01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:28.376
it was 14 days in the city of Port

01:21:28.400 --> 01:21:30.695
Phillip at large.

01:21:30.719 --> 01:21:33.719
It's so you're saying street by street

01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:35.896
cuz my I thought we were moving it the

01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:38.376
idea is to get people to store these

01:21:38.400 --> 01:21:41.400
excess you know um in in proper caravan

01:21:42.320 --> 01:21:45.256
or wherever appropriate places. So the

01:21:45.280 --> 01:21:47.736
I'm really it says must not store or

01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:49.736
park or on a council road or council

01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.496
land for more than 14 days. I thought

01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:54.215
that is every 60 days you can leave your

01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:55.896
caravan for 2 weeks in Port Phillip but

01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:58.920
that is it is can I just clarify that

01:21:59.120 --> 01:22:00.615
through you may apologies. Yes to

01:22:00.639 --> 01:22:03.256
clarify um as stated that any council

01:22:03.280 --> 01:22:05.336
road or council land as stated in the

01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:07.496
motion for 14 days over 60. So you're

01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:09.016
correct that it is the whole

01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:11.175
municipalitywide.

01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:13.175
Okay. the unrestricted parking areas of

01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:14.856
these registered vehicles.

01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:17.416
councellor Conolo,

01:22:17.440 --> 01:22:20.440
I worry about um trady trailers that

01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:23.416
work in our area because when it was 14

01:22:23.440 --> 01:22:25.576
consecutive days, which I understood it

01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.736
earlier to be that sort of made sense

01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:29.336
that you know they'd be moving it pretty

01:22:29.360 --> 01:22:30.536
frequently so they're not going to hit

01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:32.296
the 14 consecutive days. But if we're

01:22:32.320 --> 01:22:34.856
really like single 14 days that occur

01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:37.655
over 60 days, they'll all be in breach

01:22:37.679 --> 01:22:39.896
because they come home every day or work

01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:41.416
or they'll move. Some people have the

01:22:41.440 --> 01:22:42.856
trailer they use twice a month. I don't

01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.175
know. But it's not going to work for

01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:47.175
everybody. And I know laws don't work

01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:49.976
for everybody. So, it's hard

01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:51.576
through you, Matt. Jay. We want to make

01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:52.936
sure that there aren't unintended

01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:55.960
consequences of this local law. Um,

01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:58.456
anecdotally and through our current CRM

01:22:58.480 --> 01:23:00.456
evidence, the trades trailers are not

01:23:00.480 --> 01:23:03.016
often the ones that are um of concern.

01:23:03.040 --> 01:23:04.376
As soon as they're hooked up to a

01:23:04.400 --> 01:23:06.856
vehicle, um, it's a different situation.

01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:09.256
Um so it's mainly um other types of

01:23:09.280 --> 01:23:10.776
vehicles that remain there for longer

01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:12.856
periods. It is not the intention that it

01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:14.856
would um restrict people operating

01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:16.376
commercial businesses out of those but

01:23:16.400 --> 01:23:18.296
we do obviously want to encourage

01:23:18.320 --> 01:23:20.615
storage of um these types of vehicles

01:23:20.639 --> 01:23:22.776
off road or in commercial storage

01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:25.496
facilities as appropriate. Um but we

01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:27.736
wouldn't we would work on each case

01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:29.256
carefully and individually to understand

01:23:29.280 --> 01:23:31.096
the circumstances there and to work with

01:23:31.120 --> 01:23:32.936
them to to come to a solution that would

01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:34.936
be desirable.

01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:37.096
followup.

01:23:37.120 --> 01:23:39.576
Um, no. I'm just considering an

01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:41.175
amendment.

01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:44.199
Okay. Any other questions, councellors?

01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:47.016
Do you need to seek advice on an

01:23:47.040 --> 01:23:49.576
amendment? councellor Cunsolo.

01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:51.256
Jay. Can we get So, what what is the

01:23:51.280 --> 01:23:52.536
question? And then if we need to take a

01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:53.256
break, we will.

01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:54.695
I really think that it should be 14

01:23:54.719 --> 01:23:56.776
consecutive days within a 60-day period.

01:23:56.800 --> 01:23:58.536
People can keep playing the game of

01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:00.135
moving every 14 days. they'll get pretty

01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.159
tired of it, but it's more fair because

01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:05.416
 14 I don't know. I It's one of these

01:24:05.440 --> 01:24:06.536
laws that's only going to be applied

01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:08.776
where it's really a problem. It's not

01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:10.695
everywhere.

01:24:10.719 --> 01:24:13.256
Okay. Well, do you want to consider it

01:24:13.280 --> 01:24:15.016
while we move the motion itself? And

01:24:15.040 --> 01:24:16.615
Jay, that's fine. Yep. Okay.

01:24:16.639 --> 01:24:18.376
councellors, any further questions or do

01:24:18.400 --> 01:24:20.376
I have a mover and a second for move

01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:22.456
council to move and I'm happy to second

01:24:22.480 --> 01:24:25.016
on this one. Um all right, we'll go to

01:24:25.040 --> 01:24:26.776
councellor Holidayiday. Council Cunsoloe,

01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:29.256
you keep considering

01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:32.280
Um, I keep getting blamed for this 

01:24:32.719 --> 01:24:35.719
particular um change in the local law

01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:38.760
which  I hope I can end up being proud

01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:42.600
of because we have especially where I

01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:46.199
live um a der of caravans and trailers

01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.960
um and boats dumped on our streets um

01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:53.016
because we happen to have um some

01:24:53.040 --> 01:24:56.040
parking around the cemetery.  and we

01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.960
see this in other 

01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.159
nearby um municipalities as well where

01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:06.360
our roads end up covered in um you know

01:25:07.679 --> 01:25:09.496
these kind of vehicles that people

01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.056
bought during the pandemic or trailers

01:25:12.080 --> 01:25:14.215
that they have that they use once a year

01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.239
and they just um occupy our road space

01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.520
rusting away um on flat tires. So I hope

01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:25.736
um you know with  careful

01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.760
implementation and monitoring and um

01:25:29.120 --> 01:25:32.120
enforcement that this will um encourage

01:25:32.639 --> 01:25:35.639
people to  think about how they store

01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:38.840
these kind of personal vehicles and will

01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:41.960
help remove all of these um you know

01:25:42.400 --> 01:25:45.400
kind of dumped vehicles from our streets

01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.056
where they are rusting away. um often

01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:51.080
tiMearsor under you know torn tarps. So I

01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:55.016
will be supporting this um and I um you

01:25:55.040 --> 01:25:58.040
know hope that  we do see  a market

01:25:58.639 --> 01:26:01.256
improvement in the kind of the amenity

01:26:01.280 --> 01:26:04.280
of our streets because of this law.

01:26:05.280 --> 01:26:07.175
I was the person that originally brought

01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:09.655
the motion to do this kind of looking

01:26:09.679 --> 01:26:11.576
into it on the back of community

01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:14.376
feedback from  Canal Ward at the time

01:26:14.400 --> 01:26:16.776
and near the cemetery. But what I've

01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:18.856
noticed too is over the last decade the

01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:20.456
problem has grown. It used to be the odd

01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:22.536
one, but um there are lots of pockets in

01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.456
Elwood. I'm sure there are in lots of

01:26:24.480 --> 01:26:25.816
there's a particular street where

01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:27.416
there's not. There's one in Ripenley.

01:26:27.440 --> 01:26:30.440
There's there's multiple where the um

01:26:30.719 --> 01:26:32.695
the privatization of public land

01:26:32.719 --> 01:26:34.936
essentially is occurring. Um I'm all for

01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:36.536
people to have these things and they're

01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:38.135
nice to but they need to find the

01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.135
appropriate in an inner city area where

01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.296
we have such limited parking. we need

01:26:42.320 --> 01:26:44.536
the opportunity for it to turn over to

01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:46.615
allow people who in their everyday lives

01:26:46.639 --> 01:26:49.016
need to use vehicles and get around. Um,

01:26:49.040 --> 01:26:51.096
so councellors, I would urge you to

01:26:51.120 --> 01:26:53.096
support it. Um, I'm considering your

01:26:53.120 --> 01:26:54.856
amendment, councellor Cunsolo, but I do

01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:56.296
actually think it's a bigger problem. We

01:26:56.320 --> 01:26:58.135
don't want them moving them around. I I

01:26:58.159 --> 01:26:59.576
don't think it should be consecutive. I

01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:01.655
think it it actually needs to be an

01:27:01.679 --> 01:27:04.456
encouragement to either park it off off

01:27:04.480 --> 01:27:07.480
street or or hire it out um you know

01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.615
into there's lots of caravan places that

01:27:10.639 --> 01:27:12.056
would be appropriate for these kind of

01:27:12.080 --> 01:27:14.376
things to get stored. So um councellors I

01:27:14.400 --> 01:27:16.536
would urge you that to support this. I

01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:18.376
think it will be well supported by our

01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:19.576
community but I do want to hear their

01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:21.816
feedback but this is not a new problem.

01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:23.736
It has been building over the last

01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:25.496
particularly 5 years and I think it's

01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:28.520
time to deal with it.

01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.199
Who else would like to speak speak to

01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:34.135
council Cunsolo?

01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:35.736
Thank you. I won't bring the amendment

01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:38.296
now. Um it may that would be that we'd

01:27:38.320 --> 01:27:40.536
have two separate rules for trailers and

01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:42.695
with  recreational vehicles, but

01:27:42.719 --> 01:27:44.695
caravans and both are awesome and I'm so

01:27:44.719 --> 01:27:46.456
glad that people have them and are

01:27:46.480 --> 01:27:49.175
loving living a good time.  I don't

01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:50.536
have a conflict of interest because my

01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:53.560
caravan was stolen last year. Um sadly

01:27:53.679 --> 01:27:55.416
and but we did park it on the street

01:27:55.440 --> 01:27:57.256
every now and then, but we also had the

01:27:57.280 --> 01:27:59.336
a nice driveway to back it into. So we

01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:00.776
were really fortunate. But there were

01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:02.296
times, especially when it got stolen

01:28:02.320 --> 01:28:03.816
that it was on the street because we're

01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:05.976
between trips and we're going coming.

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:09.000
But it's also hard because um you know

01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:11.496
it's it sort of feels like well it was

01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:13.816
good while it lasted this opportunity

01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:15.576
because we are densifying more and more

01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:17.976
and our demands on parking are only

01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:21.000
getting harder. So um it it is something

01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:24.296
that is kind of coming to a point we

01:28:24.320 --> 01:28:25.655
have to address it but it's different

01:28:25.679 --> 01:28:28.679
from down your end Justin down to my

01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:30.376
end. We we're very different. There's

01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:31.736
not much paid parking or not paid

01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:33.096
parking. There's not much permit parking

01:28:33.120 --> 01:28:34.695
around where I live in Port Melbourne

01:28:34.719 --> 01:28:36.695
right now. I feel it's coming with all

01:28:36.719 --> 01:28:38.615
the development and fisherman spend, but

01:28:38.639 --> 01:28:40.456
these are things that we need to look at

01:28:40.480 --> 01:28:42.695
as a municipalitywide rule and see how

01:28:42.719 --> 01:28:44.456
it gets applied. So, I appreciate that

01:28:44.480 --> 01:28:47.480
this will be per how somebody reports it

01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:50.296
and we'll respond to that and and we'll

01:28:50.320 --> 01:28:52.936
work through the the issues that arise

01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:55.496
should it go through. Um, but it is like

01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:57.576
sardines and I see that when people the

01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:59.256
game of sardines when someone parks

01:28:59.280 --> 01:29:00.936
their caravan there the next day there's

01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:02.456
another one and then there's another one

01:29:02.480 --> 01:29:04.296
because it becoMearslike oh well if

01:29:04.320 --> 01:29:05.655
they're parking theirs I'll park it

01:29:05.679 --> 01:29:08.376
there too and when I've spoken to other

01:29:08.400 --> 01:29:10.536
people about why they've parked their

01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:12.296
caravan in that location that I know

01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:14.536
they say oh because it's less impactful

01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:15.816
it's not in front of someone's house

01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:18.135
it's just next to the park and so

01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:20.056
they're kind of just in these random

01:29:20.080 --> 01:29:22.215
spots like by the cemetery that people

01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:24.456
think that they're not really owning by

01:29:24.480 --> 01:29:26.376
anybody there. It's not directly

01:29:26.400 --> 01:29:28.056
impacting. It shouldn't be a problem,

01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:30.856
but collectively it's been raised as

01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:33.880
more of an issue. Um, I do think motor

01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:36.695
hoMearsand recreational vehicles should

01:29:36.719 --> 01:29:39.096
find a way to be classified in this as

01:29:39.120 --> 01:29:41.416
well because there are many that are not

01:29:41.440 --> 01:29:43.655
used as primary vehicles and so they're

01:29:43.679 --> 01:29:45.256
just the same as a caravan in that

01:29:45.280 --> 01:29:48.280
aspect. , and

01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:52.056
there aren't really close locations or

01:29:52.080 --> 01:29:54.135
affordable ones for caravans. This is a

01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:55.576
really big impact. I want to acknowledge

01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:56.936
that for the people who do own these

01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:58.936
vehicles that this isn't necessarily

01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:00.536
something they considered about the cost

01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:03.336
of storing it when they purchased it.

01:30:03.360 --> 01:30:05.256
And I'm really sorry that that impact

01:30:05.280 --> 01:30:07.896
will  make people consider what their

01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.056
options are. But it is a limitation of

01:30:10.080 --> 01:30:11.816
living in the inner city where we don't

01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:14.536
have as much opportunity to store such

01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:17.560
vehicles.  on private property. Thank

01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:19.175
you.

01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:20.615
Any other councellors wish to speak to

01:30:20.639 --> 01:30:23.639
it? councellor Buckingham.

01:30:24.639 --> 01:30:27.639
I welcome this proposed amendment to our

01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:31.416
local law. We it is a growing problem

01:30:31.440 --> 01:30:33.655
and I know from residents in Ripen Lee

01:30:33.679 --> 01:30:36.135
that um storing these vehicles along the

01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:39.159
train line  is increasingly um having

01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:42.520
an impact in that area um between Ripen

01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:46.840
Lee and Balaclava. And

01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:48.776
one of the reasons I think this

01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:51.800
amendment is so um helpful is that I

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:55.496
think it's a better process for

01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:57.736
addressing how we store these vehicles

01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:59.816
rather than taking it street by street

01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:01.496
and changing parking restrictions.

01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:03.576
That's a very ownorous process for the

01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:05.896
council and it's not a very good process

01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:08.215
for the residents either. So this

01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:10.056
actually makes it clear for people if

01:31:10.080 --> 01:31:11.576
you own one of these vehicles, you need

01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:13.976
to find storage that is not on a city of

01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:16.695
Port Phillips Street. Whenever we make a

01:31:16.719 --> 01:31:18.135
change like this, it is a significant

01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:19.896
change. There is always the risk of

01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:22.056
unintended consequences. And so that's

01:31:22.080 --> 01:31:25.080
why I just want to state that it is um

01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:28.376
what we're agreeing on tonight is to

01:31:28.400 --> 01:31:30.695
undertake community engagement to obtain

01:31:30.719 --> 01:31:33.096
feedback on the proposal.  so if there

01:31:33.120 --> 01:31:35.576
are unintended consequences for tradies

01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:38.600
or um other operators in the area um

01:31:40.480 --> 01:31:42.615
that you know it's not just a case of

01:31:42.639 --> 01:31:44.376
storing a recreational vehicle. It's

01:31:44.400 --> 01:31:47.400
going to have a real impact on um trade

01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:50.135
or services in our area. You know we can

01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:52.695
we can hear that feedback. So I'm

01:31:52.719 --> 01:31:54.856
approaching this um I think it's a

01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:57.336
positive step forward and ears are open

01:31:57.360 --> 01:32:00.135
to  all of the consequences of this

01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:03.159
potential change. Any

01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:06.199
other councils? councellor Muse.

01:32:06.400 --> 01:32:09.256
Thank you, Mayor. My only question in

01:32:09.280 --> 01:32:12.280
regard to this and the word consecutive

01:32:13.280 --> 01:32:15.736
 and you've made good points, Mayor

01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:18.760
Crawford. My question about the 14

01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:21.960
consecutive days or not is how is it

01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.096
going to be managed that it is 14

01:32:25.120 --> 01:32:28.120
consecutive days or or sorry for any 14

01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.239
days within a 60-day period? Is it or

01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:34.056
will it be possible to monitor that? And

01:32:34.080 --> 01:32:35.816
if we can monitor it, fine, well and

01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:38.840
good. But if it's down to the distressed

01:32:39.440 --> 01:32:41.976
neighbor or whatever,

01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:43.655
I just wonder how we going to do that

01:32:43.679 --> 01:32:45.896
little piece. The rest of it I'm I'm

01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.695
fine with. I'm just concerned about that

01:32:48.719 --> 01:32:50.456
measurement.

01:32:50.480 --> 01:32:51.896
Is is that actually a clarifying

01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:53.096
question? There's your comment that we

01:32:53.120 --> 01:32:54.296
would need to consider.

01:32:54.320 --> 01:32:55.896
Jay. Do

01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:58.376
I would ask the question

01:32:58.400 --> 01:33:01.400
have you got a solution to that question

01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:03.576
through you may? Yes. A number of

01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:05.496
councils already have this um clause in

01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:07.655
place and are enforcing it currently. Um

01:33:07.679 --> 01:33:09.655
so we would learn from them but um we

01:33:09.679 --> 01:33:11.416
would work with our parking officers and

01:33:11.440 --> 01:33:13.496
our local laws officers similar to

01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:15.175
things like abandoned vehicles and and

01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:16.536
other circumstances where we need to

01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:18.056
monitor them over time to ensure they're

01:33:18.080 --> 01:33:19.896
abandoned or or um when their

01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:21.976
registration runs out. So we have

01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:25.000
processes in place to do that. Any other

01:33:25.280 --> 01:33:26.456
council wish to speak the motion?

01:33:26.480 --> 01:33:28.456
Council Min,

01:33:28.480 --> 01:33:30.695
I support  this motion and taking it

01:33:30.719 --> 01:33:33.496
up to community for comment. This is if

01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:34.936
there's one thing we know about our Port

01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.256
Phillip community. It is forthright in

01:33:37.280 --> 01:33:39.256
offering its views and it is appropriate

01:33:39.280 --> 01:33:41.655
that we hear from our community around

01:33:41.679 --> 01:33:43.736
 this proposed amendment. So happy to

01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:45.896
support this motion and commence a

01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:48.296
process around consultation with our

01:33:48.320 --> 01:33:50.776
community who will help  inform where

01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:53.800
this ends up. Any other council wish to

01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:56.296
speak to the motion?

01:33:56.320 --> 01:33:57.416
Would you want to close? councellor

01:33:57.440 --> 01:33:59.416
Holidayiday.

01:33:59.440 --> 01:34:00.936
Um,

01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.960
I would like to thank the Mayor in her

01:34:04.320 --> 01:34:07.175
role as councellor and in my role as a

01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:09.096
concerned resident for putting this on

01:34:09.120 --> 01:34:11.976
the agenda last year. Um, thank you. And

01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:14.695
it's a privilege to be able to be here

01:34:14.719 --> 01:34:17.256
um to vote on this today. So, I hope

01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:19.496
that we can support this motion. Thank

01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:20.695
you.

01:34:20.719 --> 01:34:22.135
All right, let's put that to the vote.

01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:24.296
All those in favor,

01:34:24.320 --> 01:34:26.695
that is carried unanimously.

01:34:26.719 --> 01:34:29.416
Thanks, councellors. We are moving on to

01:34:29.440 --> 01:34:32.440
12.1 footpath trading fee policy review.

01:34:32.480 --> 01:34:34.776
So, councellor Tamman, I might go to you

01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.800
to your declaration.

01:34:40.480 --> 01:34:43.480
I think you're on mute, councellor Tman.

01:34:44.320 --> 01:34:47.320
Sorry. Yes. having a business um even if

01:34:48.400 --> 01:34:51.400
it's a a general  conflict because I'm

01:34:51.440 --> 01:34:53.655
one of the many many traders in the city

01:34:53.679 --> 01:34:56.615
but I prefer to declare conflict of

01:34:56.639 --> 01:34:59.576
interest so to be all clear.

01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:00.456
Okay. Thank you very much.

01:35:00.480 --> 01:35:03.480
And I will log out. I will log out.

01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:06.056
Yes. Thank you.

01:35:06.080 --> 01:35:07.655
All right.  councellors, do we have any

01:35:07.679 --> 01:35:10.376
questions for the officers in regards to

01:35:10.400 --> 01:35:13.400
this motion? Council J.

01:35:16.480 --> 01:35:18.936
I've had some questions from 

01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.960
retailers um wanting to know, do we

01:35:22.719 --> 01:35:24.776
currently charge for the A-frames, the

01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.800
advertising boards? Um and is there ever

01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.536
been a time where we haven't charged for

01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:31.976
them?

01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:34.456
Can through you, Mayor.  yes, we

01:35:34.480 --> 01:35:37.096
currently do have an A-frame permit fee

01:35:37.120 --> 01:35:40.120
um in 2526. That fee is $356

01:35:41.280 --> 01:35:43.896
per year. Um, we think this has been in

01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:45.655
place since at least 2010 from our

01:35:45.679 --> 01:35:47.576
records and the majority of other inner

01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.600
city councils have a similar permit.

01:35:51.120 --> 01:35:53.655
, Council Holiday,

01:35:53.679 --> 01:35:55.576
can I can I just clarify one thing here

01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:58.600
at four um 4.18

01:35:59.360 --> 01:36:02.360
apologies for this on page 219

01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.920
just to clarify for the record here. It

01:36:07.120 --> 01:36:09.096
says under option two traders would see

01:36:09.120 --> 01:36:12.120
increases of between4 and $1,061.

01:36:14.080 --> 01:36:16.215
So some traders would see an increase,

01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:18.376
right? Not all traders, a small

01:36:18.400 --> 01:36:20.856
percentage like 19%. Can I clarify

01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:22.376
that's the case

01:36:22.400 --> 01:36:23.736
through you may? Yes, that's correct.

01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:25.576
You'll see that outlined um in the paper

01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:27.175
that some and we would work with those

01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:29.256
that were most impacted. The current

01:36:29.280 --> 01:36:31.976
situation um is based on the type of

01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:34.056
chairs, numbers of tables um and the

01:36:34.080 --> 01:36:36.056
permit fees associated with that. We're

01:36:36.080 --> 01:36:38.456
proposing a move to a price per square

01:36:38.480 --> 01:36:41.256
meter. Um, which in discussion of often

01:36:41.280 --> 01:36:43.096
those items take up more space than they

01:36:43.120 --> 01:36:45.576
actually are needing currently and in

01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:46.856
discussion we think we'll be able to

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.016
reduce that area size that they require

01:36:49.040 --> 01:36:50.695
to do their business and therefore

01:36:50.719 --> 01:36:52.135
reduce the fees that they would be

01:36:52.159 --> 01:36:54.135
needing to pay.

01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:56.056
Council J,

01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:59.016
just another clarifying question. Um,

01:36:59.040 --> 01:37:00.536
because obviously this is going out to

01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:02.215
consultation. I've had a lot of 

01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.135
passionate retailers contact me and I

01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:05.976
have told them that at this point it's

01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:07.816
best for it to go to consultation. They

01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:10.840
can come back with their feedback. Um

01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:13.175
but  someone has noticed that the cost

01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:16.199
of a table and chairs is um cheaper than

01:37:16.639 --> 01:37:19.576
the cost of  an A-frame.

01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:22.600
So can you just clarify if that's the

01:37:22.719 --> 01:37:23.976
case and why?

01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:26.215
Through you may. Yes. So currently um

01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:27.655
the proposal is around the square

01:37:27.679 --> 01:37:30.376
meterage um of space to be charged

01:37:30.400 --> 01:37:32.615
rather than the items. Um that's mainly

01:37:32.639 --> 01:37:34.056
for cafes and restaurants who want

01:37:34.080 --> 01:37:36.135
tables and chairs whereas the A-frames

01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:38.536
um have a standalone fee for businesses

01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:40.056
like clothing shops that only want an

01:37:40.080 --> 01:37:42.456
A-frame, not any um business trading

01:37:42.480 --> 01:37:44.215
area. This is exactly why we want to go

01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:45.736
out to engagement to understand those

01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:47.896
unintended consequences and what the

01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:49.336
impact on the ground will be for

01:37:49.360 --> 01:37:51.016
different types of traders. Um we're

01:37:51.040 --> 01:37:52.856
going to our business advisory um

01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:54.456
committee in September. will be reaching

01:37:54.480 --> 01:37:56.695
out to every single traders association

01:37:56.719 --> 01:37:58.856
and every single permit current permit

01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:01.095
holder um which is just over 400 um

01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:03.336
traders in in the area to make sure they

01:38:03.360 --> 01:38:04.695
understand the changes what we're

01:38:04.719 --> 01:38:06.296
proposing and for us to understand the

01:38:06.320 --> 01:38:07.816
impacts to them and their business to

01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:09.256
then bring back the final

01:38:09.280 --> 01:38:11.976
recommendations to you. Thanks Nelly.

01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:13.496
That's very comprehensive and there's

01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.416
lots of avenues to come back. Appreciate

01:38:15.440 --> 01:38:16.135
that.

01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:17.095
Council Min.

01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:18.536
Jay, just want to confirm the

01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:20.536
consultation process. So you mentioned

01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:22.536
we'll reach out to traders. We often

01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:24.296
have an officer that attends trader

01:38:24.320 --> 01:38:25.896
meetings. I assume they'll be equipped

01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:28.920
to discuss this item as well and once

01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:31.095
again reinforce. It's out for

01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:33.736
consultation. So our trader associations

01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.536
can provide feedback

01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:37.976
through you Mayor. Absolutely. So, our

01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:39.655
city permits team will be out and about

01:38:39.679 --> 01:38:42.056
a lot in the next little while um making

01:38:42.080 --> 01:38:43.336
sure that um we're having those

01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:44.776
conversations and equipping any other

01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:46.135
staff who are in conversation with

01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:46.695
traders.

01:38:46.719 --> 01:38:48.296
And quick followup, can I just confirm

01:38:48.320 --> 01:38:49.896
that we can also include the fisherman's

01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:51.336
been business forum as part of that.

01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:52.695
They're typically not seen as a

01:38:52.719 --> 01:38:54.695
traditional trader association but

01:38:54.719 --> 01:38:57.256
certainly have interest in business

01:38:57.280 --> 01:39:00.280
matters within their area or fisherman's

01:39:00.639 --> 01:39:00.936
band.

01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:02.215
Absolutely. We can reach out to them as

01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:02.695
well.

01:39:02.719 --> 01:39:03.896
Thank you.

01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:04.936
Any other questions? councellor

01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:07.256
Holidayiday. Jay, on the subject sorry

01:39:07.280 --> 01:39:09.496
of the A-fraMearsagain, um there's a a

01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:11.496
large disparity here obviously in the

01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:13.896
cost unless you have like a 6 m A-frame

01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:16.376
presumably. Um based on the feedback

01:39:16.400 --> 01:39:17.976
that we get back, will we have an

01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:19.976
opportunity to adjust the cost for

01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:22.215
A-frames

01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:24.615
for you may? Yes. So the um A-frame

01:39:24.639 --> 01:39:26.376
permit fees as outlined in the draft

01:39:26.400 --> 01:39:28.376
policy in the pack um are included in

01:39:28.400 --> 01:39:30.135
all of this. So the permit fees as well

01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:32.296
as the square meter rate will be part of

01:39:32.320 --> 01:39:33.736
the engagement and then part of the

01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:36.760
recommendation coming back to you.

01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:38.135
councellor Min

01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:40.695
and just wanted to reaffirm or reconfirm

01:39:40.719 --> 01:39:43.719
that this is about the 2627 financial

01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:45.496
year, not the current financial year.

01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:46.376
That's correct.

01:39:46.400 --> 01:39:48.296
Through you, Mayor, correct? So the 2526

01:39:48.320 --> 01:39:50.456
fees are are set and in place and

01:39:50.480 --> 01:39:52.056
renewals are currently taking place.

01:39:52.080 --> 01:39:53.736
This would come into effect as part of

01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:56.615
the budget process next financial year.

01:39:56.639 --> 01:39:58.615
Any other questions?

01:39:58.639 --> 01:40:00.296
If not, do I have a mover for this or

01:40:00.320 --> 01:40:01.736
something different? councellor J to

01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.296
move. Do I have a second? councellor M to

01:40:04.320 --> 01:40:06.456
second. All right. councellor J.

01:40:06.480 --> 01:40:08.456
Um I just want to commend the officers

01:40:08.480 --> 01:40:11.416
for their work on this um document. The

01:40:11.440 --> 01:40:13.175
footpath trading guidelines have been

01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:16.056
very convoluted and very complex with

01:40:16.080 --> 01:40:18.376
over 70 different rates. It's been very

01:40:18.400 --> 01:40:20.615
difficult for retailers to self-calulate

01:40:20.639 --> 01:40:22.456
or even understand what they can and

01:40:22.480 --> 01:40:25.256
can't do. Um this simplification and

01:40:25.280 --> 01:40:28.280
also a reduction in the majority of

01:40:28.480 --> 01:40:31.480
retailers expenses is very I believe

01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:34.840
will be very well received. Um

01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:38.615
it will allow people that generally have

01:40:38.639 --> 01:40:40.615
been too overwhelmed or it's been too

01:40:40.639 --> 01:40:43.016
expensive to now  utilize footpath

01:40:43.040 --> 01:40:45.655
trading which hopefully will add um

01:40:45.679 --> 01:40:48.456
value to our streets, increase amenity,

01:40:48.480 --> 01:40:51.480
increase um  ambiance and absolutely

01:40:52.080 --> 01:40:55.080
set the place for our community and in

01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:57.416
you know also increasing safety just

01:40:57.440 --> 01:40:59.416
because we're filling areas that would

01:40:59.440 --> 01:41:01.816
usually be dead zones. Um, I look

01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:04.215
forward to the community coming back

01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:05.976
with all their feedback. They're a very

01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:08.695
clever bunch. So, I completely um

01:41:08.719 --> 01:41:11.719
support this in its entirety. Thank you,

01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:14.296
Council Me.

01:41:14.320 --> 01:41:17.320
Thank you. Simplifying this policy also

01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.135
provides greater ability for our

01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:21.976
business community to plan and plan

01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:24.296
ahead in future years. So this gives

01:41:24.320 --> 01:41:25.736
greater certainty to our business

01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:28.456
community as much as it also simplifies

01:41:28.480 --> 01:41:31.480
the way that these fees are provided.

01:41:31.679 --> 01:41:34.376
Echoing  councellor Jay's comments,

01:41:34.400 --> 01:41:37.400
this is once again a proposal. It opens

01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:39.655
up the avenue for commentary and now is

01:41:39.679 --> 01:41:41.576
the time to for our business community

01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:44.376
to provide feedback to make sure that we

01:41:44.400 --> 01:41:47.400
have identified the concerns and the

01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:49.496
simplification will have the impact that

01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:51.336
we're intending. And once again

01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:53.256
commending  the officers and the work

01:41:53.280 --> 01:41:56.215
to date. Simplification is a good thing.

01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:58.135
Greater certainty for our businesses is

01:41:58.159 --> 01:41:59.816
a good thing and that should lead to

01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:02.376
greater ambiance and amenity within our

01:42:02.400 --> 01:42:03.976
local high streets and wider community

01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:06.296
as well. Commend them.

01:42:06.320 --> 01:42:08.056
Does anyone else wish to speak to the

01:42:08.080 --> 01:42:10.376
motion?

01:42:10.400 --> 01:42:12.776
No. I'll say one quick thing. I think we

01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:15.336
had 22 different categories and so I

01:42:15.360 --> 01:42:17.496
think this is going to be in lots of

01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:19.896
ways a huge step forward and make it

01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:22.215
easier  in the long term. So I'm glad

01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:23.816
we're at this point going out to

01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:25.336
consultation.

01:42:25.360 --> 01:42:27.175
councellor Jada, do you want to close?

01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:28.695
No. Let's put that to the vote. All

01:42:28.719 --> 01:42:31.175
those in favor that is carried

01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:33.576
unanimously.

01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:36.600
Can we Mearsage   councellor Thomann to

01:42:38.400 --> 01:42:40.135
come back in

01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:41.976
the meantime? In the meantime, we will

01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.000
get up the Thank you.  12.2, which is

01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:47.976
the cultural development fund key

01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:51.000
organizations.

01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:54.135
I'm just going to get it.

01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:57.159
So, councellors, while we're getting um

01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:01.496
councellor Tamman back in, did we have

01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:03.336
any

01:43:03.360 --> 01:43:06.360
questions for the officers?

01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:18.856
is

01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:19.816
I'm back.

01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:22.840
Ah, you're back. Yay. Thank you. So,

01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:25.256
councellor Thomann, we are on to 12.2,

01:43:25.280 --> 01:43:26.776
which is the cultural development fund

01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:28.776
key organizations. councellors, any

01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:31.175
questions for officers?

01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:33.175
If not, could I have a mover and a

01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:34.936
seconder? Jay.

01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:35.896
Can I move it?

01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:37.416
Oh, you'll do it, council. So councellor

01:43:37.440 --> 01:43:39.336
Buckingham to move and council command

01:43:39.360 --> 01:43:42.360
to second. councellor Buckingham,

01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:48.376
the

01:43:48.400 --> 01:43:50.936
cultural um there are some key

01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:52.615
organizations in the city of Port

01:43:52.639 --> 01:43:55.639
Phillip that contribute a huge amount to

01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:01.239
our community and the arts, not just for

01:44:02.320 --> 01:44:03.736
the residents of Port Phillip, but

01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:06.376
indeed for our broader

01:44:06.400 --> 01:44:08.456
um Victorian community, Australian and

01:44:08.480 --> 01:44:09.576
even global

01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:12.056
 a lot of these organizations are the

01:44:12.080 --> 01:44:15.080
launch pad for um many artists in their

01:44:16.480 --> 01:44:19.480
career. They also provide particularly

01:44:19.679 --> 01:44:21.816
coming out of co

01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.840
 week in week out they provide

01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:28.520
 spaces that people can come together

01:44:29.440 --> 01:44:32.440
um engage with other others and um it

01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:37.960
performs a real meaningful well-being

01:44:38.400 --> 01:44:41.400
piece in the city of Port Phillip. So

01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:43.576
these organizations,

01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.600
they contribute an enormous amount and

01:44:47.679 --> 01:44:50.135
I'm very proud of the fact that our

01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:52.215
recent budget did see an uptick in

01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:54.856
funding for these organizations because

01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:57.880
we know that that investment will um

01:44:59.679 --> 01:45:01.576
deliver improved outcoMearsfor many

01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:02.936
people in City of Port Phillip and

01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:04.615
beyond.

01:45:04.639 --> 01:45:07.639
And it's timely for us to review the

01:45:08.480 --> 01:45:11.256
cultural development fund and ensure

01:45:11.280 --> 01:45:13.896
that it aligns with our upcoming

01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:16.296
cultural strategy.

01:45:16.320 --> 01:45:18.856
And in doing that, also look at how we

01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:21.880
allocate our funding and to ensure that

01:45:22.080 --> 01:45:24.615
it's achieving the best outcoMearsthat

01:45:24.639 --> 01:45:27.639
possibly can. Um, so I'm very excited to

01:45:31.280 --> 01:45:32.856
endorse the extension of funding for

01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:35.336
another 12 months and to do the work

01:45:35.360 --> 01:45:37.576
with the community and with particularly

01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:39.736
our artists and our artistic

01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:42.376
organizations and the creative um

01:45:42.400 --> 01:45:44.376
organizations in City of Port Phillip to

01:45:44.400 --> 01:45:47.400
ensure that our investment is um having

01:45:48.719 --> 01:45:51.719
maximum impact and um to grow and

01:45:53.040 --> 01:45:55.336
further our reach of these important

01:45:55.360 --> 01:45:58.135
organizations. ations.

01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:01.159
councellor Tman

01:46:04.719 --> 01:46:06.695
mute. Sorry,

01:46:06.719 --> 01:46:08.215
Council Tman, you're on mute. We want to

01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:10.215
hear what your wise words.

01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:13.239
Yes, sorry. Just just in case I'm some

01:46:13.679 --> 01:46:16.679
background noises here. Um, so yes, I've

01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:20.119
 happy to endorse to second this

01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.615
motion. I agree with everything council

01:46:22.639 --> 01:46:25.095
Buckingham said. Um, you know, I think

01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:26.695
these organizations are currently

01:46:26.719 --> 01:46:29.719
struggling. Um, we give them a little

01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:31.976
bit more money. I know it's not enough,

01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:34.936
but it's better than nothing. Um and 

01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:36.615
with the work we're going to do in the

01:46:36.639 --> 01:46:39.639
next few months looking at the cultural

01:46:39.679 --> 01:46:42.056
city that Port Phillip is or wants to

01:46:42.080 --> 01:46:45.080
become um  you know I think it's this

01:46:45.280 --> 01:46:48.280
will go a long way to support key

01:46:48.400 --> 01:46:49.896
organizations and we are lucky because

01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:52.056
we've actually some got got some leaders

01:46:52.080 --> 01:46:55.080
in Australia in our city and we need to

01:46:55.119 --> 01:46:57.976
support them as much as we can for the

01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.296
organizations they are but also for the

01:47:00.320 --> 01:47:03.320
artists that perform there. So happy to

01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:06.760
endorse this recommendation.

01:47:07.440 --> 01:47:09.016
Any other councellors wish to speak to

01:47:09.040 --> 01:47:11.896
the item.

01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:14.215
If not, we'll put that to the vote. All

01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:16.296
those in favor?

01:47:16.320 --> 01:47:19.320
That is carried unanimously.

01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:22.615
Okay. So the next item is 12.3, which is

01:47:22.639 --> 01:47:24.456
a panel contract for library collections

01:47:24.480 --> 01:47:26.615
in which I need to declare a conflict of

01:47:26.639 --> 01:47:29.639
interest. um having worked in audio

01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:32.936
books a long time ago, not recently, but

01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:34.936
for one of the companies that um is

01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:37.256
collected under this broader procurement

01:47:37.280 --> 01:47:39.816
process. So I have a general conflict of

01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:41.816
interest. So I will ask the Deputy Mayor

01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:43.496
to come and take the chair. And do you

01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:46.376
have notes for him there? Jay,

01:47:46.400 --> 01:47:47.816
you've printed them up. You've got

01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:50.840
yours.

01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:56.199
sitting

01:47:59.920 --> 01:48:02.920
in the front.

01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:10.119
Good evening everyone.

01:48:10.320 --> 01:48:13.320
 we're dealing with  12.3 panel

01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:17.000
contract for library collections.

01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:19.976
Are there any questions of the officers

01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:23.000
in relation to this report?

01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.800
Not one question.

01:48:30.400 --> 01:48:33.095
Okay. councellors, we have  an officers

01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:35.095
or the officer's recommendation. Would

01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:38.119
someone like to move this? councellor

01:48:39.040 --> 01:48:42.040
Cunsolo seconded. councellor Holidayiday.

01:48:42.480 --> 01:48:43.816
councellor Cunsolo.

01:48:43.840 --> 01:48:45.816
Thank you. I love our libraries. I go

01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:47.655
there at least once or twice a week and

01:48:47.679 --> 01:48:49.496
I think it's incredible what we have on

01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:52.135
offer and that more residents should

01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:54.296
find out more about what we have. The

01:48:54.320 --> 01:48:57.320
panel shows how many services and

01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:00.695
individual components are um part of

01:49:00.719 --> 01:49:03.655
this process that um offer this

01:49:03.679 --> 01:49:05.736
collective service. And I know it's a

01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:07.496
lot of money. It really is a big number

01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:10.135
there. But the answer to that justifying

01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:12.296
it is to just use our libraries more.

01:49:12.320 --> 01:49:15.320
It's an incredible service. Thank you.

01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:18.936
Seconded.

01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:21.256
 Jay, hard to hard to follow that up,

01:49:21.280 --> 01:49:23.896
but um I think you know this is an

01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:26.920
investment in the capability and skills

01:49:27.040 --> 01:49:29.655
and creativity of our community in a way

01:49:29.679 --> 01:49:32.536
that is open to anyone to access. So

01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:35.560
again supporting  council Cunsolo um

01:49:36.719 --> 01:49:38.536
statement there that you know use the

01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:40.776
library, it's there for everyone. Thank

01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:41.816
you.

01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:43.416
Thank you. Are there any other

01:49:43.440 --> 01:49:45.496
councellors who wish to speak? Yes,

01:49:45.520 --> 01:49:47.576
councellor Jay.

01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:50.376
Um, we love our libraries. They're a

01:49:50.400 --> 01:49:51.976
safe place for many people in our

01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:53.976
community, many of the youth, many of

01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:55.976
the elderly, and everyone in between.

01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:58.296
Um, some of us would love some satellite

01:49:58.320 --> 01:50:00.856
libraries in our area. So, um, we

01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:02.695
completely support this and look forward

01:50:02.719 --> 01:50:05.175
to finding other ways to deliver

01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:07.336
libraries to our wider community in the

01:50:07.360 --> 01:50:09.576
future as well.

01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:12.296
Thank you. Any other?

01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:15.320
Okay. Thank you. I will  ask the mover

01:50:16.400 --> 01:50:18.536
to close the debate.

01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.560
Okay. Thank you. I'll now put the motion

01:50:21.679 --> 01:50:24.679
to a vote. All those in favor?

01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:27.336
Unanimous.

01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:30.360
Yes, I am. I'm waiting.

01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:32.936
Thank you everyone. The motion is

01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:34.856
carried.

01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:35.256
Sorry.

01:50:35.280 --> 01:50:37.095
Yep. Say unanimously.

01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:39.175
I thought I did say unanimously. Thank

01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:41.175
you councellor Holidayiday for your

01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.175
astute

01:50:43.199 --> 01:50:46.199
picking out.  thank you all. I can now

01:50:46.320 --> 01:50:49.095
resume my normal seat. Thank you.

01:50:49.119 --> 01:50:52.119
Good job.

01:50:55.360 --> 01:50:58.360
Jeez. You want to do that again?

01:51:02.400 --> 01:51:05.400
Pretty comfortable.

01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:18.760
It was the three beards up there.

01:51:25.280 --> 01:51:27.095
Ah,

01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:30.119
bringing gender equality back to the

01:51:31.040 --> 01:51:33.416
All right, folks. We are up to 13.1

01:51:33.440 --> 01:51:35.256
which is the Carile Street proposed sale

01:51:35.280 --> 01:51:37.496
of land reporting feedback from

01:51:37.520 --> 01:51:39.496
consultation councellors. Do we have any

01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:41.175
questions for the officers? councellor

01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:44.199
Buckingham

01:51:45.599 --> 01:51:47.095
following up some of the questions we

01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:50.119
heard from  earlier in the evening. 

01:51:51.440 --> 01:51:53.736
what engagement has occurred with the

01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:56.760
traders and landlords along Carile

01:51:56.800 --> 01:51:58.776
Street regarding the sale of the land to

01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:00.376
Coohl's

01:52:00.400 --> 01:52:03.400
and how will the access to those shops

01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:07.239
along Carile Street be preserved if we

01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:10.296
do choose to go through with the S

01:52:10.320 --> 01:52:13.320
JaMearsAroy

01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:17.095
through you may um so thank you for the

01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:19.016
question as part of the community

01:52:19.040 --> 01:52:21.256
consultation process we wrote to all

01:52:21.280 --> 01:52:23.976
owners and tenants in the area,

01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:26.936
including shop owners and shop tenants.

01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:29.095
Um, the shops which back onto the rear

01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:31.575
of Carile Street, , to notify them of

01:52:31.599 --> 01:52:33.095
the proposals and activities that we

01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:34.615
were going to be undertaking, including

01:52:34.639 --> 01:52:37.639
the 29th of May town hall event. Um,

01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:40.215
some of them attended and gave their

01:52:40.239 --> 01:52:43.239
feedback, , which has been noted. Um,

01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:45.095
but we've heard comments from some of

01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:47.336
the affected owners tonight, um, that

01:52:47.360 --> 01:52:49.416
they did not take part. So, I'd like to

01:52:49.440 --> 01:52:51.416
confirm the intention to further involve

01:52:51.440 --> 01:52:54.215
them  and other owners of affected

01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:56.615
properties.

01:52:56.639 --> 01:52:59.639
The draft section 173 agreement um will,

01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:03.336
just to be clear, secure laneway access

01:53:03.360 --> 01:53:05.416
and requires that unrestricted vehicle

01:53:05.440 --> 01:53:08.056
and pedestrian access to the rear of the

01:53:08.080 --> 01:53:10.615
Carile Street properties is maintained.

01:53:10.639 --> 01:53:12.536
 it also contains provisions in

01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:14.936
relation to access before, during, and

01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:17.960
after any future redevelopment works. In

01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.016
addition, formal easements or rights of

01:53:21.040 --> 01:53:22.695
carriageway would be registered to

01:53:22.719 --> 01:53:25.719
ensure the access in perpetuity.

01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:28.296
 the exact dimensions and easement

01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:30.056
registration would be resolved through

01:53:30.080 --> 01:53:32.296
the road discontinuence

01:53:32.320 --> 01:53:35.320
and subdivision process. Um but the

01:53:35.360 --> 01:53:36.776
intent is to preserve the vehicle and

01:53:36.800 --> 01:53:39.736
pedestrian access so it continues. Um

01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:41.575
and prior to returning to the chamber in

01:53:41.599 --> 01:53:44.215
September, it's our intention to further

01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:46.376
be in touch with the affected owners to

01:53:46.400 --> 01:53:49.336
discuss that with them.

01:53:49.360 --> 01:53:52.360
Jay. The further question,

01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:55.175
did the engagement to date, thank you

01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:58.199
for outlining um that consultation

01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:01.560
that's taken place, did

01:54:01.599 --> 01:54:03.976
the council explicitly

01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:07.000
engage with the landlords about the

01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:10.119
mechanism to ensure access to that rear

01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:13.736
laneway of the shops

01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:16.760
in the context of through text of the

01:54:17.040 --> 01:54:19.896
section 173 agreement provision. which

01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:22.056
form part of the consultative process.

01:54:22.080 --> 01:54:25.080
Yes. Um in terms of fine detail about

01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:29.880
widths of roads and that kind of thing,

01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:33.159
operational matters. No.

01:54:35.440 --> 01:54:37.416
A further question or a council holiday

01:54:37.440 --> 01:54:38.456
and then I'll come back to you councellor

01:54:38.480 --> 01:54:41.480
Buckingham.

01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:45.000
Thank you councel. Thank you Mayor. Um

01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:49.816
 we

01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:52.536
we had a meeting  with the

01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:55.175
representatives of um Better Balaclava

01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.175
several weeks ago now, maybe three weeks

01:54:57.199 --> 01:54:59.976
ago at which we um we discussed the idea

01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:02.456
of entering into a heads of agreement um

01:55:02.480 --> 01:55:05.480
you know a preliminary  kind of um

01:55:06.320 --> 01:55:09.320
engagement with Coohl's ahead of the um

01:55:10.480 --> 01:55:13.175
ultim ultimate potential um transfer of

01:55:13.199 --> 01:55:16.056
land to them. Um I'm wondering if we

01:55:16.080 --> 01:55:19.080
have any update from Coohl's about um

01:55:19.440 --> 01:55:21.655
their amenility

01:55:21.679 --> 01:55:24.215
to that  particular style of

01:55:24.239 --> 01:55:25.736
arrangement.

01:55:25.760 --> 01:55:26.615
James.

01:55:26.639 --> 01:55:29.256
So through you may um just to clear up

01:55:29.280 --> 01:55:31.575
some terminology first because there's

01:55:31.599 --> 01:55:34.215
been a few phrases um used tonight which

01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:36.615
might be confusing for some people. So

01:55:36.639 --> 01:55:38.856
first of all, section 173 agreement is

01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:40.776
the formal planning agreement under the

01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:42.615
planning and environment act which binds

01:55:42.639 --> 01:55:45.496
the land and secures things like public

01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:48.520
parking, laneway access, open space,

01:55:48.639 --> 01:55:51.095
heritage, and all of the other community

01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:53.896
benefit items in a way that survives any

01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:56.376
future changes in ownership.

01:55:56.400 --> 01:55:58.695
A heads of agreement is really just a

01:55:58.719 --> 01:56:00.615
preliminary preliminary understanding

01:56:00.639 --> 01:56:03.336
between the parties  which can set

01:56:03.360 --> 01:56:05.976
expectations but isn't binding on the

01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:08.135
land and doesn't replace the mechanisms

01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:11.159
for community benefit.

01:56:11.199 --> 01:56:13.016
A development agreement on the other

01:56:13.040 --> 01:56:15.256
hand which I think is really what's been

01:56:15.280 --> 01:56:16.615
referenced here is a full commercial

01:56:16.639 --> 01:56:18.615
contract where the council would

01:56:18.639 --> 01:56:20.296
effectively become a party to the

01:56:20.320 --> 01:56:23.016
development delivery. Um, and that's

01:56:23.040 --> 01:56:25.816
usually used when council is directly

01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:28.456
co-developing a site or carrying some

01:56:28.480 --> 01:56:31.095
project risk.

01:56:31.119 --> 01:56:33.655
So, council's land holdings here are

01:56:33.679 --> 01:56:36.296
strategic, but they're not major in

01:56:36.320 --> 01:56:38.135
terms of the overall side of the size of

01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:41.159
the precinct. So, the proposal has been

01:56:41.440 --> 01:56:43.575
to lock in community benefit through

01:56:43.599 --> 01:56:45.816
benefit through section 173 agreement

01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:48.376
supported by conditions in the land sale

01:56:48.400 --> 01:56:51.400
contract. Um that was that's the way

01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:53.896
that it's proposed gives council

01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:55.736
enforceable rights without taking on the

01:56:55.760 --> 01:56:58.456
risk inherent in actually undertaking a

01:56:58.480 --> 01:57:01.016
development partnership

01:57:01.040 --> 01:57:03.575
through through

01:57:03.599 --> 01:57:04.215
add to that

01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:06.695
add to what JaMearshas said.  so

01:57:06.719 --> 01:57:08.536
councellor Holidayiday yes it was raised

01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:10.536
in the  presentation from better

01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:12.695
balaclava to count to the council group

01:57:12.719 --> 01:57:15.095
along with some other items. Officers

01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:17.336
are continuing consultation engagement

01:57:17.360 --> 01:57:20.296
with coohals. Um the intent is  to

01:57:20.320 --> 01:57:22.376
finalize those discussions with Coohl's

01:57:22.400 --> 01:57:24.936
before council makes a decision. We have

01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:27.095
previously raised with them the concept

01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:29.095
of a memorandum or a heads of agreement

01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:31.575
as JaMearshas outlined. It was raised

01:57:31.599 --> 01:57:33.736
again a few weeks ago and we're yet to

01:57:33.760 --> 01:57:35.336
get a response back from CO as to

01:57:35.360 --> 01:57:36.936
whether they're amendable to that. But

01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:38.695
we will have that by the time council

01:57:38.719 --> 01:57:41.719
consider this decision in September.

01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:44.376
councellor Buckingham, did you have

01:57:44.400 --> 01:57:46.215
follow-up questions?

01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:47.816
Okay.

01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:49.976
, councellor Holidayiday.

01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:51.816
Um, thank you, Mayor. When we're talking

01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:54.215
about, um,

01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:57.239
community benefits here, um,

01:57:58.080 --> 01:57:59.816
and the I'm not sure how I'm going to

01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:01.175
phrase this as a question, but we're

01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:04.199
talking I think part of the concerns

01:58:05.280 --> 01:58:07.416
that the community has here are about

01:58:07.440 --> 01:58:09.896
things beyond

01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:12.776
the car parks, the toilets, the

01:58:12.800 --> 01:58:15.496
supermarket. you know, their concerns

01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:17.655
are about the wider impact of this

01:58:17.679 --> 01:58:19.816
development and the impact it can have

01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:21.416
on the surrounding streets, on the

01:58:21.440 --> 01:58:22.856
surrounding shops, on the people who

01:58:22.880 --> 01:58:24.296
live in this area, on the people who

01:58:24.320 --> 01:58:27.320
come here to shop. Um I'm wondering um

01:58:29.119 --> 01:58:32.119
when we say community benefit in the in

01:58:32.320 --> 01:58:35.320
the um in securing community benefit in

01:58:36.719 --> 01:58:39.416
the section 173

01:58:39.440 --> 01:58:42.440
what things are we negotiating for in

01:58:42.480 --> 01:58:45.480
the section 173?

01:58:46.480 --> 01:58:49.480
So through EMF, so at the moment the

01:58:49.599 --> 01:58:52.599
section 173 agreement includes items

01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:55.736
such as public open space, the car park,

01:58:55.760 --> 01:58:58.760
toilets, um permeability through the

01:58:58.880 --> 01:59:01.256
site, through laneways,

01:59:01.280 --> 01:59:04.215
 continued rear access to the shops,

01:59:04.239 --> 01:59:07.016
um residential development,

01:59:07.040 --> 01:59:10.040
including affordable housing. Um

01:59:10.400 --> 01:59:12.936
and there are some items which are still

01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:15.095
under discussion which it's intended to

01:59:15.119 --> 01:59:17.416
finalize before the final recommendation

01:59:17.440 --> 01:59:20.440
coMearsup in September. Um those relate

01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:25.000
mainly to  the residential diversity

01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:29.000
um on the site. um some

01:59:30.400 --> 01:59:33.400
um overall design matters

01:59:34.719 --> 01:59:37.719
um and um

01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:40.840
a couple of other items um relating to

01:59:41.280 --> 01:59:43.256
the scheme a potential future scheme

01:59:43.280 --> 01:59:45.416
there to try and lock in some more

01:59:45.440 --> 01:59:47.896
detail. So that will be contained in the

01:59:47.920 --> 01:59:50.920
further recommendation next month.

01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:54.456
Sorry James, I'm going to dig deeper

01:59:54.480 --> 01:59:57.016
here. When you say um a couple of items

01:59:57.040 --> 01:59:58.456
related to the future scheme there, are

01:59:58.480 --> 02:00:01.175
we talking about the site specific

02:00:01.199 --> 02:00:03.896
planning scheme that may that is in

02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:06.920
development for this area

02:00:07.360 --> 02:00:10.360
or am I am I jumping way ahead of the

02:00:10.480 --> 02:00:12.536
conversations here or outside of

02:00:12.560 --> 02:00:13.816
that might be that might be for Lachlan

02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:15.016
to respond to.

02:00:15.040 --> 02:00:17.336
I can through your may I can add James

02:00:17.360 --> 02:00:20.360
can do it. Um so look I'd say council

02:00:20.400 --> 02:00:21.575
holiday there's some other things that

02:00:21.599 --> 02:00:23.816
JaMearsis alluding to. So, one of the

02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:25.496
strategic objectives that we're looking

02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:27.016
to achieve is for a full line

02:00:27.040 --> 02:00:28.856
supermarket  to be developed. Now,

02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:31.256
that um obviously provides benefit to

02:00:31.280 --> 02:00:33.416
Kohl's, but um it also aligns with

02:00:33.440 --> 02:00:35.655
council's vision that set out in the

02:00:35.679 --> 02:00:38.679
2009 Carile Street renewal precinct

02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:40.536
structure plan about having a full line

02:00:40.560 --> 02:00:42.376
supermarket that that would provide

02:00:42.400 --> 02:00:44.615
benefit to the local community and it

02:00:44.639 --> 02:00:47.416
would also potentially catalyze or help

02:00:47.440 --> 02:00:49.655
to change some of the economics of the

02:00:49.679 --> 02:00:52.296
street  as well. In addition to that,

02:00:52.320 --> 02:00:54.135
it's on the public record that council

02:00:54.159 --> 02:00:57.159
sold the adjacent property to Woolworths

02:00:57.280 --> 02:01:00.280
a number of years ago  as well. Um and

02:01:00.400 --> 02:01:03.400
as I've said previously, um the 

02:01:04.080 --> 02:01:05.416
process that we've been going through

02:01:05.440 --> 02:01:07.256
with Coohl's on the other side of the

02:01:07.280 --> 02:01:09.736
road, um has only really been possible

02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:12.296
because of that initial  

02:01:12.320 --> 02:01:14.536
transaction  with Woolworth. So one of

02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:17.016
the other community benefits that um

02:01:17.040 --> 02:01:18.936
council hopes to achieve through a

02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:21.496
transaction subject to council decision

02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:23.256
um would be to catalyze the development

02:01:23.280 --> 02:01:26.280
of both sides  as well. So in addition

02:01:26.480 --> 02:01:29.480
to the specific benefits that JaMearshas

02:01:29.599 --> 02:01:31.575
outlined around the open space other

02:01:31.599 --> 02:01:34.056
things pertaining to this site um

02:01:34.080 --> 02:01:37.080
council's  structure plan um aims to

02:01:37.440 --> 02:01:39.896
get broader benefits from cataly from

02:01:39.920 --> 02:01:42.920
activating both of these sites. Any

02:01:44.719 --> 02:01:47.719
other questions? councellors

02:01:47.920 --> 02:01:50.920
council.

02:01:51.280 --> 02:01:54.280
, could officers please outline what

02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:57.880
the steps are from here? And I'm going

02:01:58.960 --> 02:02:01.896
to propose an alternative recommendation

02:02:01.920 --> 02:02:04.695
to address the concerns of the land

02:02:04.719 --> 02:02:07.416
holders that we've heard from tonight.

02:02:07.440 --> 02:02:09.976
Um, so before we discuss that

02:02:10.000 --> 02:02:11.655
alternative recommendation, could you

02:02:11.679 --> 02:02:13.575
please outline what the steps are

02:02:13.599 --> 02:02:16.056
between now and council taking a

02:02:16.080 --> 02:02:19.080
decision about the sale of the land and

02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:21.655
what our potential We've done a big

02:02:21.679 --> 02:02:24.536
consultation. We've heard a lot of 

02:02:24.560 --> 02:02:27.560
feedback from our community.

02:02:28.239 --> 02:02:31.239
At what points in this process will

02:02:31.280 --> 02:02:34.280
community continue to be engaged

02:02:34.639 --> 02:02:37.575
and um

02:02:37.599 --> 02:02:40.056
what are our options throughout that

02:02:40.080 --> 02:02:41.095
process?

02:02:41.119 --> 02:02:44.056
JaMearsis that you?

02:02:44.080 --> 02:02:46.776
So through you may um so in terms of

02:02:46.800 --> 02:02:49.800
next steps we  from tonight we use the

02:02:50.480 --> 02:02:52.215
feedback that's been received before

02:02:52.239 --> 02:02:54.695
tonight and and tonight to to continue

02:02:54.719 --> 02:02:57.719
to refine the negotiated outcoMearswith

02:02:58.000 --> 02:02:59.896
Coohl's before the September decision

02:02:59.920 --> 02:03:02.296
point. Um so that's considering

02:03:02.320 --> 02:03:05.256
additional section 173 commitments

02:03:05.280 --> 02:03:07.816
responding to concerns that have been

02:03:07.840 --> 02:03:10.615
raised um specifically in relation to

02:03:10.639 --> 02:03:13.639
heritage  activation design quality.

02:03:14.639 --> 02:03:17.095
We also ensure that the valuation

02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:19.416
processes confirm that the transaction

02:03:19.440 --> 02:03:21.336
is going to deliver fair value for the

02:03:21.360 --> 02:03:24.135
community. So valuation is been got

02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:26.056
underway.

02:03:26.080 --> 02:03:28.376
Um and the next milestone is the 17th of

02:03:28.400 --> 02:03:29.976
September when a full report on the

02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:32.376
final section 173 agreement and officer

02:03:32.400 --> 02:03:34.536
recommendation will come to council for

02:03:34.560 --> 02:03:37.560
decision.

02:03:38.880 --> 02:03:40.056
Question

02:03:40.080 --> 02:03:42.615
how can we begin an evaluation process

02:03:42.639 --> 02:03:45.639
if we haven't landed the

02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:49.000
the terms of the sale?

02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:53.016
Because if we if we you know for example

02:03:53.040 --> 02:03:55.416
agree with Coohl's for more open space

02:03:55.440 --> 02:03:57.336
that will have an impact on

02:03:57.360 --> 02:04:00.360
so how are these two processes happening

02:04:00.400 --> 02:04:01.575
in parallel?

02:04:01.599 --> 02:04:02.936
Lachlan's going to respond.

02:04:02.960 --> 02:04:05.095
I'll take that one.  through May thank

02:04:05.119 --> 02:04:06.695
you councellor Buckingham for your

02:04:06.719 --> 02:04:09.719
question. They are intertwined. Um so

02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:12.760
obviously the  the requirements of the

02:04:13.599 --> 02:04:15.496
deal have an influence of any

02:04:15.520 --> 02:04:17.575
transaction have an in so if there's

02:04:17.599 --> 02:04:19.655
anything built into the 173 agreement

02:04:19.679 --> 02:04:22.056
that has final effects. Um what we

02:04:22.080 --> 02:04:24.296
intend to present to council  at the

02:04:24.320 --> 02:04:26.695
end of September is the full package. So

02:04:26.719 --> 02:04:28.456
it' be the full 173 agreement with

02:04:28.480 --> 02:04:30.296
everything that's in there. The vast

02:04:30.320 --> 02:04:33.320
majority has been of  feedback that

02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:35.816
we've already received um has been

02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:37.256
incorporated. We've got some additional

02:04:37.280 --> 02:04:39.095
things. We've heard additional feedback

02:04:39.119 --> 02:04:41.736
tonight. Um we'll engage with the

02:04:41.760 --> 02:04:43.816
traders  over the next few weeks as

02:04:43.840 --> 02:04:45.175
well to make sure that we've

02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:47.016
incorporated their feedback, other

02:04:47.040 --> 02:04:48.296
landlords and the traders to make sure

02:04:48.320 --> 02:04:50.695
we've incorporated their feedback. Um

02:04:50.719 --> 02:04:52.776
and then what we present to council for

02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:55.336
consideration will be that whole amount.

02:04:55.360 --> 02:04:58.360
Um when it coMearsto the actual value um

02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:01.575
of transactions, as JaMearsoutlined, that

02:05:01.599 --> 02:05:04.599
process has been going on to date. Um,

02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:06.776
the way that it has been, and James

02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:08.135
might have to help me with the wording

02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:10.135
here, but the way that we've structured

02:05:10.159 --> 02:05:12.296
and what council has endorsed engagement

02:05:12.320 --> 02:05:15.320
on is no less than market value.  so

02:05:16.560 --> 02:05:18.695
regardless of the conditions that apply

02:05:18.719 --> 02:05:21.719
through the 173 so hypothetically um

02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:24.056
what you suggested before if there's say

02:05:24.080 --> 02:05:26.135
an agreement for an increase in the

02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:28.615
minimum amount of open space there that

02:05:28.639 --> 02:05:30.936
would not necessarily reduce the  the

02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:33.095
value  that Coohl's would have to pay

02:05:33.119 --> 02:05:35.976
for the land.

02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:38.215
 councellor was that hang council

02:05:38.239 --> 02:05:40.215
Cunsolo did you have a question? No, no.

02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:43.239
councellor Holidayiday,

02:05:46.480 --> 02:05:48.695
I I can ask a question quickly. How long

02:05:48.719 --> 02:05:50.296
how long have we been consulting? Is it

02:05:50.320 --> 02:05:53.175
four years now in regards to this since

02:05:53.199 --> 02:05:55.736
this process has begun? Do we have a

02:05:55.760 --> 02:05:57.496
clear line on it?

02:05:57.520 --> 02:05:59.016
 through you, Mayor. So I think the

02:05:59.040 --> 02:06:01.896
resolution of council was it

02:06:01.920 --> 02:06:04.456
 August last year? August last year

02:06:04.480 --> 02:06:05.416
was

02:06:05.440 --> 02:06:07.575
so the process though of engaging on

02:06:07.599 --> 02:06:10.135
this has been much longer.

02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:12.456
It's been worked on for many years prior

02:06:12.480 --> 02:06:15.256
to that. Um  but the  the actual

02:06:15.280 --> 02:06:17.175
process of formal consultation was

02:06:17.199 --> 02:06:19.016
endorsed by the previous council to

02:06:19.040 --> 02:06:21.736
commence  in August last year. We put

02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:23.736
that on hold because of the election and

02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:25.496
then there was an opportunity to brief

02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:28.296
the incoming council.  and so that um

02:06:28.320 --> 02:06:30.055
consultation period has been occurring

02:06:30.079 --> 02:06:33.016
for the last few months  of this year.

02:06:33.040 --> 02:06:36.040
Um this has been as I quoted before this

02:06:36.239 --> 02:06:39.239
has been a council um objective since

02:06:40.159 --> 02:06:43.159
2009  in terms of the Carl Street 

02:06:43.440 --> 02:06:45.575
structure plan.

02:06:45.599 --> 02:06:47.416
Council Holidayiday.

02:06:47.440 --> 02:06:49.816
 thank you Mayor James. You mentioned

02:06:49.840 --> 02:06:51.655
in the context of the section 173

02:06:51.679 --> 02:06:54.679
agreement there um the goal of achieving

02:06:56.320 --> 02:06:59.095
design quality um

02:06:59.119 --> 02:07:02.119
in the development. How how is that

02:07:02.719 --> 02:07:05.175
achievable in the 173 or how what

02:07:05.199 --> 02:07:08.199
mechanism do you see going into the 173

02:07:08.800 --> 02:07:11.655
to achieve a high quality design

02:07:11.679 --> 02:07:14.679
in this in this location?

02:07:15.520 --> 02:07:18.520
So through you, Mayor, the section 173

02:07:19.040 --> 02:07:22.040
agreement sets out the key um objectives

02:07:23.119 --> 02:07:24.615
for

02:07:24.639 --> 02:07:27.639
um and obligations but u fine detail

02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:31.016
about

02:07:31.040 --> 02:07:32.936
um

02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:35.575
um items such that that would normally

02:07:35.599 --> 02:07:36.936
be considered through the planning

02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:39.960
process. So bulk design

02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:44.520
um details on heritage retention and

02:07:45.679 --> 02:07:47.575
built form

02:07:47.599 --> 02:07:50.599
would be  dealt with not through the

02:07:50.639 --> 02:07:52.215
section 173 but through the planning

02:07:52.239 --> 02:07:54.695
process.

02:07:54.719 --> 02:07:56.296
Okay. So I feel like we're steering off

02:07:56.320 --> 02:07:58.055
hearing like this is probably the next

02:07:58.079 --> 02:07:59.976
stage. So is this it's about

02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:01.496
submissions? No, I'm just

02:08:01.520 --> 02:08:04.055
I'm with your indulgence.

02:08:04.079 --> 02:08:06.135
Jay, thank you. I might move us shortly

02:08:06.159 --> 02:08:07.336
because I feel like we're kind of

02:08:07.360 --> 02:08:08.776
getting the same question answered again

02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:09.416
and again.

02:08:09.440 --> 02:08:11.976
I don't I don't Well, I beg to disagree,

02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:13.496
but

02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:15.976
um

02:08:16.000 --> 02:08:18.135
there was a mention there, Lachlan, of

02:08:18.159 --> 02:08:21.159
um this  guidance from the pro former

02:08:21.440 --> 02:08:24.296
council of a sale at no less than market

02:08:24.320 --> 02:08:26.615
value. In your negotiations with

02:08:26.639 --> 02:08:29.639
Coohl's, is that requirement getting in

02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:33.239
the way of negotiating elements that we

02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:36.055
might see from the community or from

02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:39.079
council laws? Is that preventing us from

02:08:39.760 --> 02:08:42.376
having flexibility or achieving what we

02:08:42.400 --> 02:08:44.776
might want to achieve in the way of

02:08:44.800 --> 02:08:47.416
community outcoMearsfor example?

02:08:47.440 --> 02:08:48.376
Lachlan Johnson.

02:08:48.400 --> 02:08:50.296
 through May, thank you Council

02:08:50.320 --> 02:08:51.655
Holiday for your question. It's a good

02:08:51.679 --> 02:08:54.679
question. Um in my view, no. it hasn't

02:08:55.040 --> 02:08:57.976
necessarily been an impediment for us.

02:08:58.000 --> 02:09:00.856
Um, as JaMearssaid before, the section

02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:03.416
173 agreement serves a certain purpose.

02:09:03.440 --> 02:09:05.575
Um, it's got some really good benefits.

02:09:05.599 --> 02:09:07.896
It stays with the title. So, if Cooh's

02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:09.816
purchase, if council resolve to sell it,

02:09:09.840 --> 02:09:12.135
Coohl's buy it, but then they on sell it

02:09:12.159 --> 02:09:13.655
to a development partner, which is a

02:09:13.679 --> 02:09:15.416
common approach for many of these

02:09:15.440 --> 02:09:17.976
things, those obligations stay. So, it's

02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:19.655
got some real benefits in there, but

02:09:19.679 --> 02:09:22.055
it's got some real it does have some

02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:24.776
some disadvantages as well. And as James

02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:27.800
said, it's not a tool for finecale

02:09:28.639 --> 02:09:31.639
design um refinement. So, that's better

02:09:32.159 --> 02:09:34.376
done through the planning scheme. So, as

02:09:34.400 --> 02:09:35.655
JaMearssaid, the things that we've

02:09:35.679 --> 02:09:38.296
included and negotiated with Coohl's to

02:09:38.320 --> 02:09:41.016
include in that draft 173 agreement,

02:09:41.040 --> 02:09:44.040
they're not um those fine sort of design

02:09:44.560 --> 02:09:47.256
elements. What we are doing in parallel

02:09:47.280 --> 02:09:49.175
though  and council has allocated

02:09:49.199 --> 02:09:51.095
funding in this year's budget is to

02:09:51.119 --> 02:09:53.896
update the built form controls for this

02:09:53.920 --> 02:09:56.856
site. So those built form controls now

02:09:56.880 --> 02:09:59.095
it's a that's a process. It takes a

02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:02.119
decent period of time but as a report as

02:10:02.480 --> 02:10:04.135
reports have previously outlined it's

02:10:04.159 --> 02:10:06.376
highly likely that if this transaction

02:10:06.400 --> 02:10:09.256
proceeds the Coohl's will seek to go to

02:10:09.280 --> 02:10:11.496
the state to get planning approval for

02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:13.095
this. They won't come to council for a

02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:15.496
planning permit. If we've got a process

02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:17.496
in train to update the built form

02:10:17.520 --> 02:10:19.016
controls to try and address some of

02:10:19.040 --> 02:10:20.456
those things that we're hearing tonight,

02:10:20.480 --> 02:10:22.215
we've heard from the community in the

02:10:22.239 --> 02:10:24.776
consultation is is outlined in the

02:10:24.800 --> 02:10:26.296
consultation period and and some of the

02:10:26.320 --> 02:10:27.976
feedback the councellors have been giving

02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:31.000
officers as well. Um those built form

02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:34.615
controls if they respond to that then

02:10:34.639 --> 02:10:37.256
the state government is is needs to

02:10:37.280 --> 02:10:39.575
consider those in granting any permit.

02:10:39.599 --> 02:10:42.599
So um there's two elements to this. So

02:10:42.800 --> 02:10:44.695
there's what's in the 173 agreement

02:10:44.719 --> 02:10:47.575
which we are negotiating on. We're not

02:10:47.599 --> 02:10:49.976
negotiating on what's in the built form

02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:52.776
controls. Um so when it coMearsto

02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:55.016
offsetting potential purchase price for

02:10:55.040 --> 02:10:57.816
some of those um design elements that

02:10:57.840 --> 02:11:00.135
we're talking about, it's not really

02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:01.896
it's not really within the remmit of the

02:11:01.920 --> 02:11:04.695
173 agreement. So it's a long way of

02:11:04.719 --> 02:11:06.776
answering your question that no um it

02:11:06.800 --> 02:11:08.776
hasn't really been an impediment to date

02:11:08.800 --> 02:11:10.376
in terms of getting to where we've got

02:11:10.400 --> 02:11:12.296
to in the process.

02:11:12.320 --> 02:11:13.256
One last question.

02:11:13.280 --> 02:11:14.615
Okay, one last question.

02:11:14.639 --> 02:11:17.639
It's my last question, I promise. In

02:11:17.679 --> 02:11:20.679
that scenario where we sell the land to

02:11:20.719 --> 02:11:23.719
Coohl's and they go directly to the

02:11:23.920 --> 02:11:26.296
minister as is their

02:11:26.320 --> 02:11:28.536
right.

02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:31.336
Would the community, our community or

02:11:31.360 --> 02:11:34.055
and indeed council have any more input

02:11:34.079 --> 02:11:37.079
into that design process?

02:11:38.480 --> 02:11:41.480
So through you, Mayor. Um

02:11:43.360 --> 02:11:45.416
the advice that officers have received

02:11:45.440 --> 02:11:48.135
to date um is that  the state would

02:11:48.159 --> 02:11:51.159
need to consider any built form control

02:11:51.360 --> 02:11:54.360
updates that council is doing um in

02:11:54.800 --> 02:11:57.416
terms of  engagement with the

02:11:57.440 --> 02:11:59.095
community or through the planning

02:11:59.119 --> 02:12:01.016
scheme. That is not clear um as to

02:12:01.040 --> 02:12:02.055
whether there would actually be

02:12:02.079 --> 02:12:04.296
submission or appeal rights  at this

02:12:04.320 --> 02:12:07.320
stage.

02:12:07.360 --> 02:12:09.736
So councellors

02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:12.135
um we have a recommendation to accept

02:12:12.159 --> 02:12:15.095
the submissions and note the engagement.

02:12:15.119 --> 02:12:17.175
So do you I've got a mover or something

02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:20.199
on alternative or is it an amendment? An

02:12:20.320 --> 02:12:23.016
alter Okay. Um yep. Do we want to get

02:12:23.040 --> 02:12:26.040
that on the screen?

02:12:29.760 --> 02:12:31.896
What's the what's the section? Oh,

02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:34.615
you're just replacing it. Sorry. Could

02:12:34.639 --> 02:12:37.639
you read out the

02:12:38.079 --> 02:12:41.079
the altered section?

02:12:44.639 --> 02:12:47.639
Is your microphone on? Jay.

02:12:48.639 --> 02:12:51.175
So, the alternative recommendation adds

02:12:51.199 --> 02:12:54.199
3.4 Four requests that officers write to

02:12:54.239 --> 02:12:56.776
all adjoining land owners and seeks

02:12:56.800 --> 02:12:59.800
their input into plans to provide

02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:02.055
continued access to the rear of their

02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:03.816
properties.

02:13:03.840 --> 02:13:06.135
Okay, I'll get a second, but I have a

02:13:06.159 --> 02:13:09.159
clarifying question. Um, you'll second,

02:13:09.520 --> 02:13:11.095
can I ask my clarifying question? Have

02:13:11.119 --> 02:13:13.736
we not already done that and that there

02:13:13.760 --> 02:13:16.536
will be the process would allow that

02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:18.456
this will naturally happen anyway? So

02:13:18.480 --> 02:13:21.480
I'm kind of confused if we've already

02:13:22.000 --> 02:13:24.135
undertaken to do that

02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:25.816
through you may we we have written to

02:13:25.840 --> 02:13:28.456
all the joining land owners

02:13:28.480 --> 02:13:29.256
you have.

02:13:29.280 --> 02:13:30.215
Jay.

02:13:30.239 --> 02:13:31.896
Yep.

02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:33.976
And  tenant occupiers as well.

02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:36.135
Tenant occupiers.

02:13:36.159 --> 02:13:39.159
So to clarify,

02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:40.936
the intention behind the alternative

02:13:40.960 --> 02:13:43.960
wreck is particularly in regards to the

02:13:44.000 --> 02:13:47.000
question of whether the 173 provides

02:13:48.880 --> 02:13:50.776
the legal

02:13:50.800 --> 02:13:53.800
framework to ensure that these shops

02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:55.736
still have access. But we

02:13:55.760 --> 02:13:58.296
so perhaps I need to change the wording

02:13:58.320 --> 02:14:01.016
here to make it explicit that it's we're

02:14:01.040 --> 02:14:03.416
writing to address these concerns that

02:14:03.440 --> 02:14:06.440
have been raised in the chamber tonight.

02:14:06.560 --> 02:14:09.175
Not a generic consultation

02:14:09.199 --> 02:14:11.256
specifically to answer this question

02:14:11.280 --> 02:14:12.936
that has been raised tonight.

02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:15.175
Okay, that's that's Do we need to change

02:14:15.199 --> 02:14:18.199
the wording? Is it too general?

02:14:22.079 --> 02:14:24.296
Maybe is that is that too general? is or

02:14:24.320 --> 02:14:27.256
is specific enough cuz I I don't want it

02:14:27.280 --> 02:14:29.095
to be seen as a consultation. It's

02:14:29.119 --> 02:14:31.655
specifically cuz the there's always been

02:14:31.679 --> 02:14:33.256
an easement that has been part of it. So

02:14:33.280 --> 02:14:34.936
I just want to clarify we're not doing

02:14:34.960 --> 02:14:36.695
further consultation. It's just to

02:14:36.719 --> 02:14:39.719
clarify the access.

02:14:44.719 --> 02:14:47.719
Is it is it it may be

02:15:02.800 --> 02:15:04.856
Jay, it may it may be suitable. I just

02:15:04.880 --> 02:15:07.880
feel like it's kind of very broad.

02:15:19.599 --> 02:15:21.095
Okay, thank you. Thank you for that

02:15:21.119 --> 02:15:23.976
clarity. Okay, so  councellor

02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:27.000
Buckingham.

02:15:32.159 --> 02:15:33.816
Jay, maybe could we? That's a good idea

02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:35.896
actually. Jay.

02:15:35.920 --> 02:15:38.376
Okay. So, the alternative recommendation

02:15:38.400 --> 02:15:41.095
now reads, "Requests that officers write

02:15:41.119 --> 02:15:43.256
to all adjoining land owners and seeks

02:15:43.280 --> 02:15:46.055
their input into the proposed legal

02:15:46.079 --> 02:15:48.536
mechanisms to provide continued access

02:15:48.560 --> 02:15:51.560
to the rear of their properties.

02:15:51.840 --> 02:15:53.896
Would you like to speak to then?"

02:15:53.920 --> 02:15:55.496
No, no, it's it's sorry Buckingham

02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:58.520
Council Buckingham speak to your motion.

02:15:59.679 --> 02:16:02.215
Before I speak to the additional clause,

02:16:02.239 --> 02:16:04.615
I would like to thank all members of the

02:16:04.639 --> 02:16:06.695
community that engaged in this

02:16:06.719 --> 02:16:09.719
consultation process. This is a

02:16:10.000 --> 02:16:13.000
difficult situation where we have a site

02:16:14.480 --> 02:16:16.296
that you know I've heard it from

02:16:16.320 --> 02:16:18.695
community that is crying out for

02:16:18.719 --> 02:16:20.215
investment. It's crying out for

02:16:20.239 --> 02:16:23.239
development and we are working with a

02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:26.776
very large corporate player here. Um and

02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:29.575
there are a lot of unknowns and so for

02:16:29.599 --> 02:16:31.336
the community to engage with such

02:16:31.360 --> 02:16:34.360
goodwill um around what they

02:16:36.479 --> 02:16:38.936
aspire to for our very precious

02:16:38.960 --> 02:16:41.495
neighborhood of Balaclava. Um how to

02:16:41.519 --> 02:16:43.016
preserve

02:16:43.040 --> 02:16:46.040
um our community and the heritage and

02:16:47.280 --> 02:16:49.495
the spaces that we currently enjoy and

02:16:49.519 --> 02:16:52.216
make them better for future generations.

02:16:52.240 --> 02:16:55.240
It's been um a challenging but an

02:16:56.080 --> 02:16:59.080
incredibly um beneficial process. And

02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:01.816
I'd like to also acknowledge the

02:17:01.840 --> 02:17:04.840
officers that you know um technically

02:17:06.719 --> 02:17:09.016
the consultation processes for a

02:17:09.040 --> 02:17:10.455
transaction like this it could have just

02:17:10.479 --> 02:17:12.216
been you know a notice in the newspaper

02:17:12.240 --> 02:17:14.856
but I think the council has really you

02:17:14.880 --> 02:17:16.936
know sent out thousands of flyers

02:17:16.960 --> 02:17:19.816
engaged in lots of meetings with um

02:17:19.840 --> 02:17:22.455
better balaclava and other community

02:17:22.479 --> 02:17:24.216
groups including the Carile Street

02:17:24.240 --> 02:17:26.535
Traders and other community service

02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:29.335
organizations that um deliver services

02:17:29.359 --> 02:17:32.056
out Carile Street and you know that

02:17:32.080 --> 02:17:35.080
accumulated in a a town hall um expose

02:17:37.359 --> 02:17:40.359
style engagement where um

02:17:41.359 --> 02:17:43.176
you know the the conversations and the

02:17:43.200 --> 02:17:46.200
engagement was really meaningful and and

02:17:46.240 --> 02:17:48.615
um didn't just look at this one site but

02:17:48.639 --> 02:17:51.335
also looked at um activities across the

02:17:51.359 --> 02:17:53.495
whole neighborhood from you know

02:17:53.519 --> 02:17:56.519
community safety to urban greening to um

02:17:57.359 --> 02:17:59.816
the streetscape. and indeed this very

02:17:59.840 --> 02:18:02.295
very important and significant site. So

02:18:02.319 --> 02:18:05.016
the consultation um went further and

02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:07.096
deeper than you know it would have if it

02:18:07.120 --> 02:18:10.120
had gone ahead in January. Um but it is

02:18:10.319 --> 02:18:13.319
a very hard 

02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:15.816
question to ask ourselves when there are

02:18:15.840 --> 02:18:17.896
so many unknowns and I think as a

02:18:17.920 --> 02:18:19.176
councellor group we've really got our

02:18:19.200 --> 02:18:22.200
work cut out for us between here and um

02:18:22.719 --> 02:18:25.495
making that decision to sell. And I

02:18:25.519 --> 02:18:27.016
think we we've got a lot of work to do

02:18:27.040 --> 02:18:30.040
between now and then.  in reference to

02:18:30.559 --> 02:18:33.335
the additional clause, you know, um I

02:18:33.359 --> 02:18:35.016
thank the members of the community that

02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:37.816
came tonight and raised particularly the

02:18:37.840 --> 02:18:40.840
red flag around those um that back

02:18:41.040 --> 02:18:44.040
access and I think um this by moving

02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:48.760
this this change um will ensure that the

02:18:51.200 --> 02:18:54.136
concerns raised will be addressed and

02:18:54.160 --> 02:18:55.655
I'm looking forward to continuing the

02:18:55.679 --> 02:18:57.495
conversation outside the chambers to

02:18:57.519 --> 02:19:00.519
ensure that we get that right. And um

02:19:00.559 --> 02:19:02.535
particularly with the the red flag that

02:19:02.559 --> 02:19:04.535
was raised tonight, but also in the the

02:19:04.559 --> 02:19:07.096
deeper longer in some ways more complex

02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:08.615
um how do we ensure that this

02:19:08.639 --> 02:19:10.136
development

02:19:10.160 --> 02:19:11.896
really delivers for our community and

02:19:11.920 --> 02:19:14.920
for the balaclava neighborhood

02:19:16.319 --> 02:19:18.535
council?

02:19:18.559 --> 02:19:19.816
U Mayor are we talking to the

02:19:19.840 --> 02:19:22.695
substantive now? We the

02:19:22.719 --> 02:19:24.695
this is it is not red. So it's the whole

02:19:24.719 --> 02:19:26.136
what's Yes. So that's the red bits

02:19:26.160 --> 02:19:27.176
included the substantive.

02:19:27.200 --> 02:19:30.200
Thank you Mayor. Um, thank you ,

02:19:30.719 --> 02:19:33.176
councellor Buckingham for the old al

02:19:33.200 --> 02:19:35.096
here. Um,

02:19:35.120 --> 02:19:38.120
thanks also to the council officers who

02:19:39.200 --> 02:19:42.200
um, put in so much work on this

02:19:43.280 --> 02:19:46.280
community consultation. Um the the expo

02:19:46.639 --> 02:19:49.176
that we talked about the Carile Street

02:19:49.200 --> 02:19:51.496
streetscape the engagement on this I

02:19:51.520 --> 02:19:54.520
think um has been  tremendous and

02:19:55.200 --> 02:19:57.736
something that is you know a kind of a

02:19:57.760 --> 02:19:59.736
step up for the city of Port Phillip. Um

02:19:59.760 --> 02:20:01.896
and unfortunately it set a high bar for

02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:04.455
other consultations. But I think um it

02:20:04.479 --> 02:20:07.479
it really had um it really bought the

02:20:07.680 --> 02:20:10.680
community um out of their houses

02:20:10.800 --> 02:20:13.800
literally um and  got a lot of great

02:20:14.240 --> 02:20:17.240
feedback here. Um

02:20:17.439 --> 02:20:20.439
I think that this consultation report

02:20:21.359 --> 02:20:24.359
shows that a small minority of our

02:20:25.359 --> 02:20:27.016
population

02:20:27.040 --> 02:20:28.936
is comfortable with just selling the

02:20:28.960 --> 02:20:31.960
land. It's something like 30%. um once

02:20:32.160 --> 02:20:34.696
you take away the people who said yes,

02:20:34.720 --> 02:20:36.056
we're comfortable with it, but actually

02:20:36.080 --> 02:20:39.080
had concerns in the feedback. And I

02:20:40.160 --> 02:20:43.160
think that um we as council

02:20:46.160 --> 02:20:49.160
have a choice whether we um in going

02:20:49.840 --> 02:20:52.840
through this process, whether we work to

02:20:53.200 --> 02:20:55.656
keep our community involved in this

02:20:55.680 --> 02:20:58.375
process of designing this large

02:20:58.399 --> 02:21:01.399
development that will happen to them and

02:21:03.359 --> 02:21:06.359
around them. or we as council can deal

02:21:07.280 --> 02:21:10.280
our community out of that process. Um

02:21:10.960 --> 02:21:13.960
and I will work to keep our community

02:21:14.319 --> 02:21:16.455
involved in that process all the way

02:21:16.479 --> 02:21:19.479
along. That is why um I support us doing

02:21:21.040 --> 02:21:22.856
the extra work for a development

02:21:22.880 --> 02:21:25.880
agreement in the longer term um so that

02:21:26.720 --> 02:21:29.656
our community is involved in the longer

02:21:29.680 --> 02:21:32.295
term in the whatever planning stages we

02:21:32.319 --> 02:21:35.319
can negotiate and aren't just

02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:38.056
immediately excluded the moment we sign

02:21:38.080 --> 02:21:39.736
the sale agreement because they go

02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:41.656
straight to the minister and nobody else

02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:44.136
has any more input into it um any

02:21:44.160 --> 02:21:47.160
longer. So again, my principle here is

02:21:47.760 --> 02:21:50.295
we should do what the community is

02:21:50.319 --> 02:21:52.776
asking us for here, which is make sure

02:21:52.800 --> 02:21:55.800
that we achieve good results with this

02:21:55.920 --> 02:21:58.920
development. Um, and I think that means

02:21:58.960 --> 02:22:01.335
dealing the community and council into

02:22:01.359 --> 02:22:04.359
this process. So I support this and I

02:22:04.720 --> 02:22:07.256
support the the altre. Um, but I think

02:22:07.280 --> 02:22:09.256
we've got a lot more work to do here and

02:22:09.280 --> 02:22:12.280
to to uphold the um the ideals of our

02:22:12.720 --> 02:22:15.415
community. Any other councellor wish to

02:22:15.439 --> 02:22:17.576
speak to the motion?

02:22:17.600 --> 02:22:19.496
councellor Cunsolo.

02:22:19.520 --> 02:22:21.096
Thank you. I think it's a lot about

02:22:21.120 --> 02:22:22.856
trust and respect. That's what I'm

02:22:22.880 --> 02:22:24.375
hearing from the residents. They just

02:22:24.399 --> 02:22:26.455
want to understand that when this

02:22:26.479 --> 02:22:29.016
changes from a public piece of property

02:22:29.040 --> 02:22:30.536
that we have a lot of say on like you're

02:22:30.560 --> 02:22:31.976
here, we've had so much opportunity to

02:22:32.000 --> 02:22:33.976
say I have say to going into private

02:22:34.000 --> 02:22:37.000
hands that there's going to be this um

02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:39.256
the trust is there that they're going to

02:22:39.280 --> 02:22:41.816
deliver something that's in fitting with

02:22:41.840 --> 02:22:44.696
the area. The area does need development

02:22:44.720 --> 02:22:46.616
and a big development really sets the

02:22:46.640 --> 02:22:48.375
tone. It can lead the way. It can really

02:22:48.399 --> 02:22:50.936
be the thing that makes Bellaclava even

02:22:50.960 --> 02:22:53.816
better. Um but it feels like we lose

02:22:53.840 --> 02:22:56.056
control once this sale happens. But

02:22:56.080 --> 02:22:57.896
tonight is only about hearing from the

02:22:57.920 --> 02:22:59.415
community. And I think what I'm hearing

02:22:59.439 --> 02:23:02.439
most is about um trying to understand

02:23:04.399 --> 02:23:06.375
where we get that design excellence or

02:23:06.399 --> 02:23:08.936
even acceptable high quality just where

02:23:08.960 --> 02:23:10.776
do you get the better versions? We we're

02:23:10.800 --> 02:23:12.856
presented examples where similar

02:23:12.880 --> 02:23:15.816
developments by Kohl's have kind of had

02:23:15.840 --> 02:23:18.136
some good ones and some really not great

02:23:18.160 --> 02:23:19.976
ones. And it's a little bit in the eye

02:23:20.000 --> 02:23:21.496
of the beholder, but there's also great

02:23:21.520 --> 02:23:23.496
design principles. And that's the

02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:24.776
expectation I'm hearing from the

02:23:24.800 --> 02:23:26.616
community. How do we bake that in? How

02:23:26.640 --> 02:23:28.216
do we guarantee that? How do we develop

02:23:28.240 --> 02:23:31.176
the trust and the respect for this area?

02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:33.415
And that

02:23:33.439 --> 02:23:36.375
 because once it's built, it's built

02:23:36.399 --> 02:23:39.399
and it can't get changed. So, thank you

02:23:40.080 --> 02:23:41.976
for the feedback. I really appreciate

02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:43.736
it. I thank the officers for going above

02:23:43.760 --> 02:23:45.415
and beyond and it really has been the

02:23:45.439 --> 02:23:47.976
model engagement that  has raised the

02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:50.856
bar for what we do here. Thank you.

02:23:50.880 --> 02:23:52.375
Any other council wish to speak to the

02:23:52.399 --> 02:23:55.256
motion?

02:23:55.280 --> 02:23:56.616
Did you want to close council

02:23:56.640 --> 02:23:58.216
Buckingham? All right, let's put that to

02:23:58.240 --> 02:24:00.616
the vote. All those in favor?

02:24:00.640 --> 02:24:03.335
That is carried unanimously.

02:24:03.359 --> 02:24:06.359
Okay, moving on to item 13.2, two, which

02:24:07.680 --> 02:24:09.576
the city of Port Phillip advocacy

02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:12.295
strategy um the annual report 2025. Now,

02:24:12.319 --> 02:24:15.319
we do have an offices amendment.

02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:18.680
Thanks everyone.

02:24:19.200 --> 02:24:20.776
 Josh, can you just show?

02:24:20.800 --> 02:24:23.800
Yes, we can scroll up now. We Is there a

02:24:24.160 --> 02:24:26.375
short version? Oh, you So, so we're just

02:24:26.399 --> 02:24:27.736
going to It's a very lot of there's

02:24:27.760 --> 02:24:30.696
quite a few um words there um there

02:24:30.720 --> 02:24:32.375
additional maybe motions. So, I'm going

02:24:32.399 --> 02:24:34.216
to read hand over to JaMearsGo on to

02:24:34.240 --> 02:24:37.176
explain the amendment. U thank you Mayor

02:24:37.200 --> 02:24:39.816
and through you may um the Mayor's right

02:24:39.840 --> 02:24:41.496
in recognition that this is a pretty

02:24:41.520 --> 02:24:43.976
wordy officers amendment um and out of

02:24:44.000 --> 02:24:45.496
consideration for those in the gallery

02:24:45.520 --> 02:24:47.335
and online that may not be able to read

02:24:47.359 --> 02:24:49.335
at all I thought I might just provide a

02:24:49.359 --> 02:24:52.359
brief highle summary um so  we have

02:24:53.359 --> 02:24:55.816
the municipal association of Victoria

02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:58.840
state council coming up in October 

02:24:58.960 --> 02:25:00.455
council officers have worked with our

02:25:00.479 --> 02:25:03.479
mav councellor delegate um to draft a

02:25:03.520 --> 02:25:05.335
range of motions for consideration to

02:25:05.359 --> 02:25:07.496
submit to the annual  to the state

02:25:07.520 --> 02:25:10.520
council. Um under the MAV rules um these

02:25:11.280 --> 02:25:13.176
motions do need council endorsement and

02:25:13.200 --> 02:25:15.176
they do need to be submitted by the 11th

02:25:15.200 --> 02:25:18.200
of October. So time is of the essence.

02:25:18.880 --> 02:25:21.576
Um the motions and just a summary of

02:25:21.600 --> 02:25:23.335
those motions and they will be available

02:25:23.359 --> 02:25:25.896
via the minutes as well. Um is really

02:25:25.920 --> 02:25:28.776
for council to submit to MAB to advocate

02:25:28.800 --> 02:25:31.096
for the following to state government.

02:25:31.120 --> 02:25:33.256
 number one, the release of Victoria's

02:25:33.280 --> 02:25:35.816
integrated transport plan.  number

02:25:35.840 --> 02:25:38.056
two,  to provide greater support to

02:25:38.080 --> 02:25:40.136
improve acute mental health response

02:25:40.160 --> 02:25:42.375
programs in line with the Ian Gray

02:25:42.399 --> 02:25:45.176
report  which has been tabled earlier

02:25:45.200 --> 02:25:48.200
um this year.  number three, a series

02:25:48.399 --> 02:25:50.295
of improvements to state planning scheme

02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:52.536
amendments um around their approvals

02:25:52.560 --> 02:25:55.415
process.  and number four and five

02:25:55.439 --> 02:25:58.439
would be um joint or um collegate

02:25:59.840 --> 02:26:01.415
approaches with our neighboring council

02:26:01.439 --> 02:26:03.335
of Glenara where we've co-drafted

02:26:03.359 --> 02:26:05.496
motions around support for local

02:26:05.520 --> 02:26:08.520
initiatives to support climate action

02:26:08.640 --> 02:26:10.936
and one around protecting and expanding

02:26:10.960 --> 02:26:12.776
urban tree canopy through planning and

02:26:12.800 --> 02:26:15.800
vegetation management reforms.

02:26:16.319 --> 02:26:18.696
Thank you. So councellors, do we have any

02:26:18.720 --> 02:26:20.455
questions for the officers in regards to

02:26:20.479 --> 02:26:22.216
the advocacy strategy or the MAB

02:26:22.240 --> 02:26:25.240
motions?

02:26:25.600 --> 02:26:28.536
If not, do I have a mover for this or

02:26:28.560 --> 02:26:30.616
something different? councellor Mak to

02:26:30.640 --> 02:26:32.455
move and councellor Buckingham to second.

02:26:32.479 --> 02:26:34.216
All right, Council Min.

02:26:34.240 --> 02:26:37.096
Advocacy is an important role for local

02:26:37.120 --> 02:26:39.176
government. We are here to represent our

02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:41.816
community and in turn advocate  on

02:26:41.840 --> 02:26:43.976
matters to other tiers of government in

02:26:44.000 --> 02:26:45.976
how best to get outcoMearsfor our

02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:47.656
community. You know, it's often remarked

02:26:47.680 --> 02:26:49.335
that local government is the closest

02:26:49.359 --> 02:26:51.496
form of government to the people, to the

02:26:51.520 --> 02:26:54.520
community. We are an important conduit

02:26:54.800 --> 02:26:57.335
in our community being able to reach,

02:26:57.359 --> 02:27:00.359
connect, engage, and  shift

02:27:01.200 --> 02:27:03.096
perceptions of other tiers of

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government. Not only do I commend the

02:27:05.439 --> 02:27:07.816
advocacy strategy and a tiered approach

02:27:07.840 --> 02:27:10.840
that allows us to really look at how we

02:27:10.880 --> 02:27:13.880
focus and fine-tune our advocacy but

02:27:14.240 --> 02:27:17.240
also the MAV motions which as part of

02:27:18.160 --> 02:27:20.856
our role in providing a voice not only

02:27:20.880 --> 02:27:23.880
to the sector and our community but also

02:27:24.240 --> 02:27:25.816
more broadly to other tiers of

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government.  two MAV motions that are

02:27:29.520 --> 02:27:32.520
of particular interest or  that were a

02:27:32.800 --> 02:27:34.375
particular passion of mine. They're all

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of interest. That is firstly the

02:27:36.720 --> 02:27:39.335
publishing of Victoria's transport plan.

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This has been a recommendation for the

02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:44.680
past 10 years by infrastructure Victoria

02:27:44.880 --> 02:27:47.576
to publish a holistic

02:27:47.600 --> 02:27:50.295
transport plan for sustainable and

02:27:50.319 --> 02:27:52.936
active transport. That is critical not

02:27:52.960 --> 02:27:55.496
only for the provision and  of

02:27:55.520 --> 02:27:57.976
services but also for the certainty that

02:27:58.000 --> 02:28:00.936
we as councils have around  planning

02:28:00.960 --> 02:28:03.960
outcoMearsfor our community. We our 

02:28:05.280 --> 02:28:07.256
municipality includes Fisherman's Bend

02:28:07.280 --> 02:28:09.736
which is forecast to have as we've heard

02:28:09.760 --> 02:28:12.760
before up to 80,000 residents by 2050.

02:28:13.680 --> 02:28:15.816
We need the publishing of that transport

02:28:15.840 --> 02:28:18.295
plan to know where the muchneeded public

02:28:18.319 --> 02:28:19.896
transport improvements for Fisherman's

02:28:19.920 --> 02:28:22.920
Bend are in their list of priorities.

02:28:23.040 --> 02:28:25.736
Until we get visibility on the transport

02:28:25.760 --> 02:28:27.816
plan, which I note is a legislative

02:28:27.840 --> 02:28:29.656
requirement under the Transport

02:28:29.680 --> 02:28:32.680
Integration Act 2010. Until we get that

02:28:32.720 --> 02:28:35.496
visibility, it hampers our ability to do

02:28:35.520 --> 02:28:38.136
our job and our community's ability to

02:28:38.160 --> 02:28:39.656
do their job in ensuring that

02:28:39.680 --> 02:28:41.976
Fisherman's Bend is amenable and as

02:28:42.000 --> 02:28:44.295
livable as it should be. Fisherman's

02:28:44.319 --> 02:28:47.319
Bend will live or thrive based on the

02:28:48.640 --> 02:28:50.696
merits of our sustainable transport

02:28:50.720 --> 02:28:53.415
system. We need that plan so we know

02:28:53.439 --> 02:28:55.736
where this is based on state government

02:28:55.760 --> 02:28:58.760
priorities. The other item is  looking

02:29:00.240 --> 02:29:03.016
at how we ensure simplification of

02:29:03.040 --> 02:29:05.256
planning scheme amendments. Back when I

02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:07.656
was first in local government, councils

02:29:07.680 --> 02:29:10.295
had the ability to propose planning

02:29:10.319 --> 02:29:12.216
scheme amendments to go through the

02:29:12.240 --> 02:29:15.016
draft of that process before we needed

02:29:15.040 --> 02:29:17.496
ministerial approval. The state

02:29:17.520 --> 02:29:19.896
government has rightfully identified the

02:29:19.920 --> 02:29:22.375
need for increased housing and to tackle

02:29:22.399 --> 02:29:24.455
housing affordability and I certainly

02:29:24.479 --> 02:29:27.479
commend them on that.  initiative

02:29:27.680 --> 02:29:29.816
to be able to do that. We as councils

02:29:29.840 --> 02:29:32.455
need to be able to undertake our role as

02:29:32.479 --> 02:29:35.096
effectively as possible. Having ongoing

02:29:35.120 --> 02:29:37.176
delays in planning scheme amendment

02:29:37.200 --> 02:29:39.976
processes where

02:29:40.000 --> 02:29:42.136
we need to wait for ministerial approval

02:29:42.160 --> 02:29:45.160
for draft before we then go back for

02:29:45.200 --> 02:29:46.856
further consultation and then wait for

02:29:46.880 --> 02:29:49.256
ministerial approval when  the

02:29:49.280 --> 02:29:51.335
planning scheme is finalized creates

02:29:51.359 --> 02:29:54.136
unnecessary delays. You know, if we look

02:29:54.160 --> 02:29:55.736
at a state government priority of

02:29:55.760 --> 02:29:57.976
housing and housing affordability,

02:29:58.000 --> 02:30:00.295
transport and easing our planning system

02:30:00.319 --> 02:30:02.696
are key imperatives of that. And that is

02:30:02.720 --> 02:30:04.455
why those two motions are going forward

02:30:04.479 --> 02:30:07.479
to the MAV. And I trust our sector will

02:30:07.920 --> 02:30:09.976
back both of those motions and the

02:30:10.000 --> 02:30:11.976
others that we put forward as well. I

02:30:12.000 --> 02:30:15.000
commend the motion. Council Buckingham,

02:30:19.600 --> 02:30:22.600
the advocacy strategy, ,

02:30:24.399 --> 02:30:27.399
it is a strategic approach to furthering

02:30:28.720 --> 02:30:30.696
our objectives as a council. A lot of

02:30:30.720 --> 02:30:33.176
the complex issues that we face here at

02:30:33.200 --> 02:30:35.816
City of Port Phillip,

02:30:35.840 --> 02:30:37.576
to actually have progress and

02:30:37.600 --> 02:30:40.295
improvement, we must work with all other

02:30:40.319 --> 02:30:43.016
levels of government. Um there's also

02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:46.040
significant financial implications

02:30:46.479 --> 02:30:48.616
 behind our advocacy and how

02:30:48.640 --> 02:30:50.216
successful our advocacy is and I note

02:30:50.240 --> 02:30:52.936
that um the city of Port Phillip has had

02:30:52.960 --> 02:30:54.375
a lot of success particularly with

02:30:54.399 --> 02:30:57.176
grants and attracting investment into

02:30:57.200 --> 02:31:00.200
the area. So it's um with great pleasure

02:31:00.399 --> 02:31:01.736
that I second this motion particularly

02:31:01.760 --> 02:31:03.896
about the advocacy strategy. 

02:31:03.920 --> 02:31:06.920
similarly, MAV, the MAV motions go to

02:31:07.120 --> 02:31:10.120
sort of our key priorities. Um that city

02:31:11.439 --> 02:31:13.415
of Port Phillip are not the only council

02:31:13.439 --> 02:31:16.439
struggling with these things. Um, for

02:31:17.040 --> 02:31:20.040
example, we've got a  motion here

02:31:20.560 --> 02:31:22.856
around mental health services and

02:31:22.880 --> 02:31:25.656
supports um that I'm sure our

02:31:25.680 --> 02:31:28.680
neighboring councils  will be keen to

02:31:29.040 --> 02:31:32.040
support  at the MAV State Council in

02:31:32.960 --> 02:31:35.960
October.

02:31:36.399 --> 02:31:37.976
Great. Any other councellors wish to

02:31:38.000 --> 02:31:41.000
speak to the motion?

02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:44.776
If not, should we put that to the vote?

02:31:44.800 --> 02:31:47.800
Just close. Did you want to No,

02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:50.856
just to close, you know, the MAV is an

02:31:50.880 --> 02:31:53.256
important process in councils having a

02:31:53.280 --> 02:31:55.096
collective voice to other tiers of

02:31:55.120 --> 02:31:57.656
government. I trust  our colleagues

02:31:57.680 --> 02:31:59.976
across the sector will support the MAV

02:32:00.000 --> 02:32:02.776
motions and that we can reiterate the

02:32:02.800 --> 02:32:05.256
priorities that are common across 79

02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:07.256
councils in the state of Victoria.

02:32:07.280 --> 02:32:08.696
Commen.

02:32:08.720 --> 02:32:10.056
Let's put that to the vote. All those in

02:32:10.080 --> 02:32:13.080
favor that is car carried unanimously.

02:32:13.920 --> 02:32:15.656
Now I am noting the time. I'm assuming

02:32:15.680 --> 02:32:16.856
councils you're happy to continue

02:32:16.880 --> 02:32:18.856
through especially. Yep. Great.  this

02:32:18.880 --> 02:32:21.880
is 13.3 which is the um added um 

02:32:23.120 --> 02:32:24.696
motion or the Australian Grand Prix

02:32:24.720 --> 02:32:27.016
amendment bill 2025. It's the new agenda

02:32:27.040 --> 02:32:30.040
item. Brian will quickly go to you to

02:32:30.560 --> 02:32:33.176
just to introduce this.

02:32:33.200 --> 02:32:35.576
 thank you and through you may u we do

02:32:35.600 --> 02:32:37.335
want to provide a short explanation as

02:32:37.359 --> 02:32:39.256
to why this item was not on tonight's

02:32:39.280 --> 02:32:42.280
agenda. Um, on the 28th of July, the

02:32:42.640 --> 02:32:44.696
state government announced changes to

02:32:44.720 --> 02:32:46.696
legislation that governs the Australian

02:32:46.720 --> 02:32:48.856
Grand Prix. Of particular significance

02:32:48.880 --> 02:32:50.696
to our sporting clubs and the community

02:32:50.720 --> 02:32:53.496
are changes that extend  the race

02:32:53.520 --> 02:32:56.520
period from 7 to up to 21 days and

02:32:56.640 --> 02:32:58.936
provides for non-mo sports. This will

02:32:58.960 --> 02:33:01.335
reduce access  for community and

02:33:01.359 --> 02:33:03.096
sporting clubs to the site during that

02:33:03.120 --> 02:33:05.256
extended period.  the government also

02:33:05.280 --> 02:33:06.856
announced two weeks for the making of

02:33:06.880 --> 02:33:09.096
submissions.  with the announcement on

02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:11.736
the 28th of July, council had not

02:33:11.760 --> 02:33:13.415
considered the issue of making a

02:33:13.439 --> 02:33:15.976
submission by one August  when the

02:33:16.000 --> 02:33:18.295
council agenda was made public and as a

02:33:18.319 --> 02:33:20.295
result the item was not included in the

02:33:20.319 --> 02:33:22.696
on the agenda. As the item was not on

02:33:22.720 --> 02:33:25.720
the agenda,  the motion  was not

02:33:26.160 --> 02:33:27.736
included in the publicly available

02:33:27.760 --> 02:33:29.976
papers. So I do want to provide an

02:33:30.000 --> 02:33:32.056
overview of the motion for the benefit

02:33:32.080 --> 02:33:34.295
of the community who has not seen this

02:33:34.319 --> 02:33:36.536
in the papers and may not see it if they

02:33:36.560 --> 02:33:39.560
are watching. um online.  the item um

02:33:42.479 --> 02:33:44.696
is a motion that recommends the making

02:33:44.720 --> 02:33:46.856
of a council submission that thanks the

02:33:46.880 --> 02:33:49.656
community for their feedback um on the

02:33:49.680 --> 02:33:51.256
legislative proposal and thanks the

02:33:51.280 --> 02:33:53.415
Australian Grand Prix Corporation for

02:33:53.439 --> 02:33:54.936
meeting with the CEO, the Mayor and the

02:33:54.960 --> 02:33:57.896
Deputy Mayor  on  the proposal and

02:33:57.920 --> 02:34:00.056
allowed council to express its concerns

02:34:00.080 --> 02:34:02.696
about the proposal um and to seek a

02:34:02.720 --> 02:34:04.216
relationship with the Australian Grand

02:34:04.240 --> 02:34:06.455
Prix going forward. expresses concerns

02:34:06.479 --> 02:34:08.776
about the short period allowed for

02:34:08.800 --> 02:34:11.096
engagement  and expresses concerns

02:34:11.120 --> 02:34:13.176
about the disruption to sporting clubs

02:34:13.200 --> 02:34:15.816
and the community caused by the extended

02:34:15.840 --> 02:34:18.375
  race period.  the submission

02:34:18.399 --> 02:34:20.776
would also endorsed express concern

02:34:20.800 --> 02:34:22.616
about the lack of clarity and the

02:34:22.640 --> 02:34:24.856
potential impact of  new provisions

02:34:24.880 --> 02:34:27.816
allowing for non-mo sports. And finally,

02:34:27.840 --> 02:34:29.896
the sub proposed submission will outline

02:34:29.920 --> 02:34:32.295
the impact of the Grand Prix on the

02:34:32.319 --> 02:34:35.176
Albert Park Lake  the community 

02:34:35.200 --> 02:34:37.016
sporting clubs and request the Victorian

02:34:37.040 --> 02:34:39.096
government provide funding and other

02:34:39.120 --> 02:34:41.496
support and to work with council  to

02:34:41.520 --> 02:34:43.256
improve outcoMearsfor the lake, the

02:34:43.280 --> 02:34:45.736
community, including the sporting club

02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:47.976
and community infrastructure. And

02:34:48.000 --> 02:34:49.976
finally, , the motion recommends that

02:34:50.000 --> 02:34:52.536
the submission, , be made public once

02:34:52.560 --> 02:34:54.616
it's been to, , submitted to the

02:34:54.640 --> 02:34:57.640
Victorian government on the, , 11th of

02:34:58.160 --> 02:35:01.160
August.

02:35:01.200 --> 02:35:03.576
Thank you, Brian. So, councellors, do we

02:35:03.600 --> 02:35:06.600
have any questions for officers?

02:35:11.840 --> 02:35:13.176
Sorry, I'm just watching in case there's

02:35:13.200 --> 02:35:14.455
a governance. Um, do we have any

02:35:14.479 --> 02:35:17.096
questions for officers?

02:35:17.120 --> 02:35:19.256
I will ask one question. I know that I

02:35:19.280 --> 02:35:21.415
have been contacted by um some members

02:35:21.439 --> 02:35:23.736
of the Canterbury Residents Association

02:35:23.760 --> 02:35:26.216
around some of the noise impacts from

02:35:26.240 --> 02:35:28.216
not just the Grompy but um the sporting

02:35:28.240 --> 02:35:30.455
clubs hiring out their venues for

02:35:30.479 --> 02:35:32.616
various events at night and there is no

02:35:32.640 --> 02:35:34.856
but can I ask we haven't mentioned it in

02:35:34.880 --> 02:35:36.295
our submission is it because the

02:35:36.319 --> 02:35:39.319
parameters of what they're asking for on

02:35:39.600 --> 02:35:42.536
the bill is is too narrow or and and the

02:35:42.560 --> 02:35:43.976
second part to that is there opportunity

02:35:44.000 --> 02:35:45.896
then obviously in our ongoing advocy and

02:35:45.920 --> 02:35:47.736
works with Parks Vic to raise this issue

02:35:47.760 --> 02:35:50.455
Right.

02:35:50.479 --> 02:35:52.536
 thank you and through you may  the

02:35:52.560 --> 02:35:55.560
issue um is not raised in the um motion

02:35:57.600 --> 02:35:59.576
 which proposes the drafting of that

02:35:59.600 --> 02:36:01.816
submission. There is an opportunity to

02:36:01.840 --> 02:36:03.656
continue to draft that submission which

02:36:03.680 --> 02:36:05.415
under the motion will be finalized by

02:36:05.439 --> 02:36:07.816
the CEO. So there is an opportunity to

02:36:07.840 --> 02:36:10.696
include those concerns  in the

02:36:10.720 --> 02:36:13.256
submission before it is finalized by the

02:36:13.280 --> 02:36:15.736
CEO and provided to the state government

02:36:15.760 --> 02:36:17.335
on Monday. So there might be enough

02:36:17.359 --> 02:36:20.359
parameters to include it or is it sorry

02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:22.295
I'm bringing that this late stage but or

02:36:22.319 --> 02:36:24.616
or I understand there isn't but maybe

02:36:24.640 --> 02:36:26.375
that's something we could

02:36:26.399 --> 02:36:27.816
because the um obviously there's a lot

02:36:27.840 --> 02:36:29.256
of impact on that particular part of our

02:36:29.280 --> 02:36:29.816
community.

02:36:29.840 --> 02:36:32.455
You may the  motion as drafted is

02:36:32.479 --> 02:36:35.479
broad enough to include um an outline on

02:36:36.319 --> 02:36:39.176
the of the impact of the event on the

02:36:39.200 --> 02:36:41.656
community and on sporting clubs. So that

02:36:41.680 --> 02:36:43.335
so it might that will fit in within the

02:36:43.359 --> 02:36:45.976
parameters of the community impact.

02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:47.656
Great. Thank you. Are there any further

02:36:47.680 --> 02:36:49.736
questions?

02:36:49.760 --> 02:36:52.216
If not, um I might move this I might

02:36:52.240 --> 02:36:53.736
move this one. Do I have a seconder?

02:36:53.760 --> 02:36:55.656
Maybe the Deputy Mayor having having a

02:36:55.680 --> 02:36:58.680
stake in this one. Um look, we really um

02:36:58.880 --> 02:37:00.375
on the suggestion other councellors

02:37:00.399 --> 02:37:02.856
wanted to um make that we let our

02:37:02.880 --> 02:37:03.976
community know that we've very much

02:37:04.000 --> 02:37:05.816
heard their concerns around this

02:37:05.840 --> 02:37:08.840
amendment. And we note that as we stated

02:37:10.319 --> 02:37:12.936
um we know how patient our community is

02:37:12.960 --> 02:37:14.536
already with the impacts of the Grand

02:37:14.560 --> 02:37:17.016
Prix. um whether you support the Grand

02:37:17.040 --> 02:37:19.096
Prix or not, it doesn't matter. It does

02:37:19.120 --> 02:37:20.776
have a very direct impact on our

02:37:20.800 --> 02:37:23.800
community. And so the increase in um

02:37:24.720 --> 02:37:26.776
although for safety, the reduction of

02:37:26.800 --> 02:37:29.256
access to the to the park over that

02:37:29.280 --> 02:37:32.280
period really has a very um tangible

02:37:32.800 --> 02:37:35.096
impact particularly on our water-based

02:37:35.120 --> 02:37:38.120
clubs. So, um it was great to meet with

02:37:38.479 --> 02:37:41.335
the CEO of the um of the Grand Prix um

02:37:41.359 --> 02:37:43.816
and put our concerns and it seems like a

02:37:43.840 --> 02:37:45.656
a path forward to work productively

02:37:45.680 --> 02:37:47.736
together. However, this is a governmentr

02:37:47.760 --> 02:37:49.096
run process. So, this was important for

02:37:49.120 --> 02:37:50.696
us to put a submission in and to raise

02:37:50.720 --> 02:37:52.696
some of the various concerns that we've

02:37:52.720 --> 02:37:54.216
heard in the last week from our

02:37:54.240 --> 02:37:55.415
community. So, this is why we're putting

02:37:55.439 --> 02:37:57.096
on the agenda. We want you to know that

02:37:57.120 --> 02:37:58.536
we are having those conversations and

02:37:58.560 --> 02:37:59.816
we're hearing what you're saying and we

02:37:59.840 --> 02:38:01.656
are doing what we can and obviously keep

02:38:01.680 --> 02:38:03.096
looking for the more that we can do in

02:38:03.120 --> 02:38:06.120
this space. Deputy May

02:38:06.720 --> 02:38:09.176
Thank you. Um I think it's absolutely

02:38:09.200 --> 02:38:12.200
vital that the council provide this

02:38:12.720 --> 02:38:15.720
formal response  in the  containing

02:38:16.399 --> 02:38:18.696
the points that that have already been

02:38:18.720 --> 02:38:21.720
raised. Um critically for our community

02:38:23.280 --> 02:38:26.280
um it is necessary for the council to

02:38:26.960 --> 02:38:29.960
respond and provide the feedback that we

02:38:30.160 --> 02:38:32.056
have received

02:38:32.080 --> 02:38:35.080
 locally and through many emails and

02:38:35.359 --> 02:38:38.359
 face-to-face discussions

02:38:38.399 --> 02:38:40.375
 back to government. So they

02:38:40.399 --> 02:38:42.536
understand that this is a very important

02:38:42.560 --> 02:38:44.696
issue for our community which is a

02:38:44.720 --> 02:38:47.720
significant portion  of the people

02:38:47.920 --> 02:38:50.920
living around  the  Albert Park

02:38:51.040 --> 02:38:54.040
Lakes and they value it highly for

02:38:54.880 --> 02:38:57.656
things other than motorsport. So I

02:38:57.680 --> 02:39:00.216
certainly support it.

02:39:00.240 --> 02:39:02.216
Any other councellor wish to speak to the

02:39:02.240 --> 02:39:03.896
item?

02:39:03.920 --> 02:39:05.576
Council J.

02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:07.656
 this park is very important for our

02:39:07.680 --> 02:39:10.295
community. I think this is a step um a

02:39:10.319 --> 02:39:12.136
step closer in creating a new

02:39:12.160 --> 02:39:14.536
relationship um with all the

02:39:14.560 --> 02:39:16.936
stakeholders, some quite big ones and

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the park. So, I'm hoping that um this

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council and beyond we can really find a

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win-win situation for everybody. Thank

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you.

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Thank you, councellor Jay. Anyone else

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will take this to the vote? All those in

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favor?

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That is carried unanimously.

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Moving on to

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13.4, four, which is the councellor

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expenses monthly reporting for June

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2025. councellors, any questions?

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If not, can I get a mover and a

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seconder? councellor Holidayiday, thank

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you. Council Megan, thank you.  I'm

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Any conversations you'd like to have

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with the community? No. Let's let's go

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around and put that to the vote. All

02:39:56.960 --> 02:39:58.936
those in favor, that is carried

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unanimously. Item 14.1  which is 15

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the Elwood foreshore Elwood an intention

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to lease. So councellors do we have any

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questions for officers in regards to

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this matter?

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No. I I'm happy to move this one. 

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would councellor Buckingham would you

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like to second this one? Um, we

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obviously know how popular Elwood

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Bathers is and um and and obviously

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given there is the long-term

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redevelopment of that foreshore area, it

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seems um a reasonable and appropriate um

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extension of lease and I know the Elwood

02:40:34.640 --> 02:40:37.256
community will be very grateful. Council

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Buckingham.

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No. Anyone else like to speak to it? All

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right, let's put that to the vote. All

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those in favor? That is carried

02:40:45.359 --> 02:40:47.496
unanimously.

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14.2 Two is the proposed discontinuence

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and sale of laneways R 3317 and R3319

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which is 60 to 66 Clark Street South

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Bank. We've got an officer's

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recommendation. Do we have any questions

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about this matter?

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Do I have a mover in a second? Council

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Min to move. councellor Hlet need a

02:41:07.680 --> 02:41:10.680
second. councellor Minot.

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Yep. We'll just put the motion.  let's

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all go to the vote. All those in favor

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that is carried unanimously.

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councellors, there are no notices of

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motion tonight. Um we do moving to 15

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which is reports by councellor delegates.

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councellors, do we have any reports back

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that we'd like to give

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our our international correspondent

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councellor may want to tell us how great

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Paris is, but we might hold that off

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till you return. councellor Tamman.

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All right, I'm going to move on to an

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item um  urgent business. There are no

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direct items, but as we said, there was

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an additional agenda item added tonight.

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So, I need to read that. This is the

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notice of an arbiter's decision. As

02:41:55.520 --> 02:41:58.375
previously referenced, um the CEO has

02:41:58.399 --> 02:41:59.816
requested and I've agreed to an

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additional item on tonight's agenda. The

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item is the notice of an arbiter's

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decision and statement of reasons

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relating to a matter between councellor

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Jay and myself. The decision was

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received on the 9th of July 2025. It is

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a requirement under section 147 of the

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Local Government Act 2020 that the

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arbiter's decision and statement of

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reasons be tabled at the next council

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meeting and recorded in the minutes.

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Given this is a legislative requirement,

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there will be no mover and seconder and

02:42:26.160 --> 02:42:27.816
no speaking or voting on the item

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tonight and the full report will be

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included in the minutes of the meeting.

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Are there any procedural questions that

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councellors wish? No. So, we're just

02:42:37.280 --> 02:42:39.335
going to pop that on the agenda. All

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right. Moving on to confidential

02:42:41.040 --> 02:42:43.176
matters. We have one confidential report

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listed on the agenda being

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Oh, prop. Oh, there it is. 17.1 the

02:42:49.760 --> 02:42:51.176
proposed property acquisition

02:42:51.200 --> 02:42:53.415
fisherman's bend. So, could I call on a

02:42:53.439 --> 02:42:54.856
councellor to have the meeting be closed

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to members of the public? Who's my

02:42:56.240 --> 02:42:58.375
mover? Council me and councellor Min to

02:42:58.399 --> 02:43:01.016
second. Um, let's put that to the vote.

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All those in favor? That motion is

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carried. So councellors that concludes

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the public part of our meeting and thank

02:43:09.280 --> 02:43:10.616
you to the members of the public. There

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is no more um open items to be

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discussed.  so thank you for joining

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us