WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.056 to tonight's meeting of the Port Phillip 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:04.376 City Council. Council respectfully 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:06.295 acknowledges the 00:00:06.319 --> 00:00:08.056 traditional owners and custodians of the 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.976 Kulin Nation. We acknowledge their 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:11.816 legacy and spiritual connection to the 00:00:11.840 --> 00:00:13.575 land and waterways across the city of 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:15.655 Port Phillip and pay our heartfelt 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:17.095 respect to their Elders past, present, 00:00:17.119 --> 00:00:19.415 and emerging. So, tonight's meeting is 00:00:19.439 --> 00:00:21.335 being conducted in hybrid style and is 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.976 streamed via council's webcast page and 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:26.056 Facebook Live streams and recordings 00:00:26.080 --> 00:00:28.296 of council meetings are copyrighted and 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:29.976 cannot be altered, reproduced or 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:31.335 republished without the permission of 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:33.256 council. Now, if we have any tech 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.736 difficulties, we will take a break to 00:00:35.760 --> 00:00:37.976 resolve the issue. Now, just a reminder 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.496 for anyone in members of the public 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:41.576 addressing council, you must extend due 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.576 courtesy and respect to council and the 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.296 processes under which it operates and 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:47.656 must take direction from the chair 00:00:47.680 --> 00:00:49.976 whenever called on to do so. Speakers 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.695 must remain respectful and statements or 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:54.456 questions must not be defamatory, 00:00:54.480 --> 00:00:56.855 offensive or objectionable, aimed at 00:00:56.879 --> 00:00:58.776 embarrassing a counselor or a member of 00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:00.936 council staff or relate to a matter 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.256 outside of the powers of council. 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:05.576 also please be careful not to divulge 00:01:05.600 --> 00:01:08.455 anybody's personal information. 00:01:08.479 --> 00:01:10.376 should anyone participating at 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:11.656 tonight's meeting not take direction of 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:13.176 the chair or comply with these 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.976 conditions, council may remove the 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.000 You did it again. 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.455 council may remove that person 00:01:22.479 --> 00:01:23.816 from the meeting and if you've got any 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:25.016 documentation that you'd like to hand 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:26.216 out if you could please give it to the 00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:27.816 governance team over here and don't 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.056 approach us at the desks and if there's 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:31.896 any emergency in the unlikely event 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.055 please again look towards the governance 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.079 team counselors do we have any apologies 00:01:38.479 --> 00:01:40.696 we will welcome back formally in person 00:01:40.720 --> 00:01:42.856 councelor Thomann from your trip and we 00:01:42.880 --> 00:01:45.880 have councelor Jay online councelors the 00:01:46.320 --> 00:01:47.976 minutes of the council meeting which was 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.135 held on the 20th of August 2025 have 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.775 been circulated. Are there any questions 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.775 and if not could I have a mover and 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:57.415 seconder councilor Thomann to move Deputy 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.816 Mayor Mears to second? Let's put that to the 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.455 vote. All those in favor all those 00:02:02.479 --> 00:02:05.479 against that is carried unanimously. 00:02:08.160 --> 00:02:10.295 Declarations of conflicts of interest. 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:11.816 Does anyone have a conflict of interest 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:13.816 in a matter being discussed at tonight's 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.840 meeting? I think that's you CEO. Do you 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:20.280 want this 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.256 at the top? 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.280 oh. Yes. Through you, Mayor. Yes. 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.280 CEO 18.3 CO employee point matters 2024 00:02:32.239 --> 00:02:35.176 25 performance assessment and annual 00:02:35.200 --> 00:02:37.575 performance agreement. I have a 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:39.016 conflict of material conflict of 00:02:39.040 --> 00:02:41.656 interest. Although I'm not involved, 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:44.616 sorry, although I'm not involved in the 00:02:44.640 --> 00:02:47.256 decision- making, I will step out 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.280 of the chambers for that discussion. 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.056 Okay, so we're moving now to public 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:55.816 question time and submissions. we'll 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:57.176 hear all public questions and 00:02:57.200 --> 00:02:59.416 submissions on report items. Under 00:02:59.440 --> 00:03:01.016 council's governance rules, public 00:03:01.040 --> 00:03:03.176 questions can only be asked about items 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:05.495 not on the agenda and therefore public 00:03:05.519 --> 00:03:07.416 questions will be referred to an officer 00:03:07.440 --> 00:03:09.096 for a response and we'll group questions 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.816 if we need to. If you are speaking on an 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:13.816 agenda item tonight, a counselor may 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:15.656 wish to take up your question when we 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:18.295 get get to that item. 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:21.319 Okay, so let's go to the list. Frank, 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:23.736 we're going to call on you first. 00:03:23.760 --> 00:03:25.656 Frank Artuso if you could state your 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.256 name and suburb and you'll be very happy 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.575 tonight for the last time hope well 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.575 possibly you'll get three minutes Frank 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:32.616 on this one. 00:03:32.640 --> 00:03:35.495 We'll go to 00:03:35.519 --> 00:03:38.519 I'm ahead of the governance rules 00:03:38.799 --> 00:03:41.656 Frank Artuso Albert Park for and in the 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:44.215 public interest question one what are 00:03:44.239 --> 00:03:46.135 the budgeted gross dollars for the five 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.056 highest revenue generating car parks 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.295 this financial year. This information 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:51.896 will provide detail to the headline 00:03:51.920 --> 00:03:54.920 budgeted parking fees of $23.4 million 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.295 include the St Kilda Triangle car park. 00:03:58.319 --> 00:03:59.736 Additionally, what are the opportunity 00:03:59.760 --> 00:04:01.575 costs when we don't manage car parks 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.495 directly given car parking technology 00:04:03.519 --> 00:04:06.519 has evolved? Question two, has the city 00:04:06.959 --> 00:04:09.896 ranked has the city a ranked data set 00:04:09.920 --> 00:04:12.376 of contributing indicators for the $3.3 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:14.935 million budgeted impairment on parking 00:04:14.959 --> 00:04:17.816 fines of $20.9 million? 00:04:17.840 --> 00:04:20.696 That's a 15.77% uncollectible 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.576 expectation. Budget papers indicate $3.3 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.455 million as an improvement by a one-off 00:04:26.479 --> 00:04:28.216 fines Victoria collection boost. 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.856 However, what front-end council 00:04:30.880 --> 00:04:33.256 initiatives can be considered? Question 00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:35.816 three, how extensive will the live music 00:04:35.840 --> 00:04:37.816 and entertainment offerings be at the 00:04:37.840 --> 00:04:40.840 renovated South Melbourne Town Hall? 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.976 Question four, an M9 alliance tender for 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:45.895 the resilient asset management and 00:04:45.919 --> 00:04:47.735 investment project, Ramy, closed 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.296 yesterday, the 1st of September. The 00:04:50.320 --> 00:04:52.216 key objective is to deliver a tool that 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.216 can be embedded into council systems and 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.376 applied to nine high-risisk flood sites, 00:04:56.400 --> 00:04:58.615 one per council to build internal 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:00.296 capacities using effective change 00:05:00.320 --> 00:05:03.256 management. So the questions are A, what 00:05:03.280 --> 00:05:05.016 focus will this council choose for the 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.040 Ramy project? B, what is it we don't 00:05:08.320 --> 00:05:09.735 understand or know about our 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.256 infrastructure assets that this project 00:05:11.280 --> 00:05:13.895 may provide? And C, would you advise on 00:05:13.919 --> 00:05:15.735 all aspects of the funding arrangements 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.976 and timing? And councilors, governance 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.776 rule 51.7 invites your clarifying 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:22.376 questions, particularly the 00:05:22.400 --> 00:05:25.400 aforementioned revenue matters. 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:28.216 Thank you. So, we're going to go to a 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:29.416 couple of people. So, we're going to 00:05:29.440 --> 00:05:31.895 start with Peter Lou to answer questions 00:05:31.919 --> 00:05:33.816 one and two and then we'll move to other 00:05:33.840 --> 00:05:36.840 officers. 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.296 through you Mayor thank you for the 00:05:48.320 --> 00:05:51.320 question Frank the top five of street 00:05:51.440 --> 00:05:54.296 car parks generate approximately 3.7 00:05:54.320 --> 00:05:57.320 million of pay parking revenue per annum 00:05:58.320 --> 00:06:00.856 in terms of the second part of that 00:06:00.880 --> 00:06:03.175 question opportunity cost of not 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.336 managing these car parks would be the 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:07.816 loss of those revenue and potentially 00:06:07.840 --> 00:06:10.840 over days um infringements for those 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.455 relating to that. naturally if we 00:06:14.479 --> 00:06:17.479 lose income of those nature we would 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.256 have to look at ways to to address the 00:06:21.280 --> 00:06:23.656 funding deficit. 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.136 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.160 question two regarding the fines 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.816 Victoria I haven't done a formal 00:06:31.840 --> 00:06:34.840 review or ask people would unpay fines 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:38.536 for feedback but I think the main 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.560 reasons they haven't paid mainly 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:44.600 because financial hardship people 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.416 potentially could be infringers that 00:06:47.440 --> 00:06:50.440 are in the state or over overseas that's 00:06:50.479 --> 00:06:53.479 impossible to chase and some simply 00:06:53.520 --> 00:06:56.520 ignore the law. As for what 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.800 councils can do to reduce the debt, 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.000 once the debt has been moved to or 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.136 transferred to fines week, we don't 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:09.160 have much of a control. that said, 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.639 before it goes to fines week, council 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.680 can take steps to encourage payment. 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:19.496 this includes sending reminder 00:07:19.520 --> 00:07:22.520 notices on time and we do that follow 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.360 this strictly to the legislation. 00:07:26.400 --> 00:07:29.400 also if someone has multiple or 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.336 significant number of fines we can take 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.360 the matter to magistrates court. this 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:39.880 has worked in some cases. it's 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.376 probably less effective for those on 00:07:42.400 --> 00:07:45.400 hardship. 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.536 Okay. So we'll go to Vicky Tukton to 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.696 take on question three regarding the 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:53.720 South Melbourne Town Hall. Vicki 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:58.136 through you mayor thank you for the 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:00.216 question Frank. together with the 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.216 Australian National Academy of Music or 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.696 ANM for short, City of Port Phillip is 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.336 undertaking major works to preserve and 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.015 transform the South Melbourne Town Hall 00:08:09.039 --> 00:08:11.416 for future generations. This major 00:08:11.440 --> 00:08:13.496 restoration is expected to be completed 00:08:13.520 --> 00:08:16.520 in late 2027 and the building will be 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.120 publicly accessible in 2028. The project 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.336 will result in a brand new 150 seat 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.416 performance space that will sit 00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:28.440 alongside the existing re-imagined 350 00:08:28.479 --> 00:08:31.175 seat auditorium. Once complete, both 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:34.199 venues will boast 21st century amenities 00:08:34.479 --> 00:08:36.935 and technical functionality as well 00:08:36.959 --> 00:08:39.815 as improved front of house areas, a new 00:08:39.839 --> 00:08:41.656 commercial catering kitchen, new meeting 00:08:41.680 --> 00:08:43.895 rooms and spaces for hire which will 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.375 service increased visitor numbers. In 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.696 addition to a new home for Anam, the 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.176 very purpose of this restoration project 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.336 is to provide live music and 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.576 entertainment. Although the opening of 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.136 this venue is still some time away and 00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:00.375 am or already working to secure bookings 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:02.696 for live music and entertainment at this 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:05.096 significant venue. 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.815 Thank you. and then we're going to 00:09:07.839 --> 00:09:10.839 Mike Fisher for the Ramy project. 00:09:11.839 --> 00:09:13.656 through you may thank you for the 00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:16.680 question Frank. Um for background, the 00:09:16.800 --> 00:09:18.536 Resilient Asset Management and 00:09:18.560 --> 00:09:21.176 Investment Project, Ramy, um is being 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.016 led by the M9 group of councils with 00:09:23.040 --> 00:09:24.776 procurement led by the city of Melbourne 00:09:24.800 --> 00:09:26.616 through the city of Melbourne. in 00:09:26.640 --> 00:09:29.576 relation to part A of your question, um 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.296 a site has not yet been chosen. In 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:34.136 relation to part B, the intent of the 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:36.136 project is to deliver a tool for asset 00:09:36.160 --> 00:09:38.456 managers to assess flood risk to 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:40.456 infrastructure and better understand 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.296 infrastructure resilience during and 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.776 post an event. council is constantly 00:09:44.800 --> 00:09:46.296 gathering information about how our 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.536 assets respond during flood 00:09:48.560 --> 00:09:49.815 conditions in order to build knowledge 00:09:49.839 --> 00:09:52.296 and support future asset planning. in 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.696 relation to part C, the project is a 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:55.976 federal grant funded through the 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.896 disaster ready fund. No additional 00:09:57.920 --> 00:10:00.920 dollar investment from council um is 00:10:00.959 --> 00:10:03.096 required. officer time has been 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:04.616 contributed to the project working 00:10:04.640 --> 00:10:06.296 groups and the project will run for 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:08.296 another two years and once the project 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:10.375 is complete, council would assess any 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:12.616 ongoing commitment. 00:10:12.640 --> 00:10:15.640 Thank you. We're now going online to 00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:17.815 Adrien King. 00:10:17.839 --> 00:10:20.616 Hi, Adrien. 00:10:20.640 --> 00:10:22.055 Good evening. Hello. 00:10:22.079 --> 00:10:23.495 Hello, Adrien. If you could state your 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.016 name and suburb, and then you've got 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:26.776 three minutes. 00:10:26.800 --> 00:10:29.800 Yeah. Adrien King, Middle Park. Two 00:10:30.880 --> 00:10:33.880 questions. Number one, please advise the 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.120 council's approach specifically to 00:10:38.560 --> 00:10:41.560 tackling homeless women sleeping rough 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.255 in the municipality. 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:47.976 The category of homeless most at risk, 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.000 including dangers associated with sexual 00:10:51.839 --> 00:10:54.839 predators. Question two, where could the 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.600 city of Port Phillip Council improve its 00:10:59.040 --> 00:11:02.040 performance with regard to women 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.320 currently sleeping rough? Thank you. 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:07.736 Thank you. I'm going to go to Kylie 00:11:07.760 --> 00:11:09.416 Bennett to respond 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:10.856 through you, Mayor. Thank you for 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:13.495 raising this important matter. Council 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.815 recognizes that women sleeping rough 00:11:15.839 --> 00:11:18.216 face a range of risks, including threats 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.296 to personal safety and exposure to 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.536 violence. Council is committed to 00:11:22.560 --> 00:11:25.016 playing its part to address this as part 00:11:25.040 --> 00:11:27.416 of the broader homelessness housing and 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.216 support service system. Women are a 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.456 priority cohort under the Port Phillips 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.616 Zero initiative which aims to connect 00:11:34.640 --> 00:11:36.776 people experiencing homelessness with 00:11:36.800 --> 00:11:39.800 safe housing and tailored support. I 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.136 understand that council's local laws 00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:43.896 officers have received training to 00:11:43.920 --> 00:11:45.815 engage safely and respectfully with 00:11:45.839 --> 00:11:48.216 vulnerable women and check in to help 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.216 ensure they are connected to appropriate 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.696 services. While not specific 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.176 interventions targeted towards women, 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.016 council made a significant financial 00:11:57.040 --> 00:11:59.576 contribution to Madden House. it's 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.495 also known as Wellington Street Common 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.896 Ground facility which will be managed by 00:12:03.920 --> 00:12:06.375 St Kilda Community Housing. This 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.296 development once open will provide 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.136 housing for people who have been rough 00:12:10.160 --> 00:12:11.896 sleeping including women and first 00:12:11.920 --> 00:12:14.776 nations people. Council also holds 00:12:14.800 --> 00:12:17.255 sponsor sponsorship rights to support 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.279 people in housing need aged over 50 or 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.576 45 for first nations people with a 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:25.656 connection to Port Philip to access some 00:12:25.680 --> 00:12:28.296 public housing locally close to their 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.856 established community. Despite this 00:12:30.880 --> 00:12:32.856 work, council acknowledges there is more 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:35.495 to do. Council is currently developing 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.495 an affordable housing and homelessness 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.416 strategy with a draft scheduled for 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.896 presentation at the next council meeting 00:12:41.920 --> 00:12:43.976 to enable a release for community 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:45.736 consultation. 00:12:45.760 --> 00:12:47.576 This draft strategy will outline 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.216 council's proposed role in responding to 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:51.815 affordable housing and homelessness 00:12:51.839 --> 00:12:53.815 challenges for community and service 00:12:53.839 --> 00:12:56.536 agencies feedback. Council is also 00:12:56.560 --> 00:12:58.296 working with Port Phillips Zero and 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.536 local service agencies to look at ways 00:13:00.560 --> 00:13:03.176 to strengthen service coordination and 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.255 outreach support for all priority 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.279 cohorts including women. 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.336 Thank you. Okay, so the next two 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:12.696 questions will be grouped together and 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:14.615 then we'll get an officer to respond. So 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.375 I'm going to call on Carolyn Clark, 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.856 please. Carolyn, if you could take a 00:13:18.880 --> 00:13:20.375 seat and state your name and suburb and 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.536 then you've got three minutes to um ask 00:13:22.560 --> 00:13:24.536 your questions. 00:13:24.560 --> 00:13:26.536 Yeah. Hi, I'm Caroline Clark. Um, I 00:13:26.560 --> 00:13:27.815 don't really know whether I need to 00:13:27.839 --> 00:13:30.375 repeat the questions, but they were I 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.456 would like to ask council to explain why 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.776 public funds have been allocated to 00:13:34.800 --> 00:13:37.016 support an event that is associated with 00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:40.040 US-based Zionist organizations and how 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:41.976 does council justify this use of 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.136 rateayers money given the broader 00:13:44.160 --> 00:13:45.976 community concern about external 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.055 political and ideological influence in 00:13:48.079 --> 00:13:50.136 local civic life, especially what we've 00:13:50.160 --> 00:13:51.495 seen happen in Melbourne over the 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.815 weekend. Um, further does council 00:13:53.839 --> 00:13:55.416 recognize that exceptionalizing 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.055 anti-semitism above other forms of 00:13:58.079 --> 00:14:00.696 racism actually risks created creating 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.336 greater division rather than unity in 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.815 our community. Um, and what steps is 00:14:05.839 --> 00:14:07.576 council taking to ensure that all forms 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.096 of racism are treated with equal 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.055 seriousness and all forms of racism are 00:14:12.079 --> 00:14:13.976 addressed equally in funding and policy 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.456 decisions. Um, and I just wanted to add 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.175 a couple of extra points to that. So, 00:14:19.199 --> 00:14:20.776 if you don't know about the combat 00:14:20.800 --> 00:14:22.296 anti-semitism 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.320 um movement, it's funded by um the US a 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.576 couple of US organizations 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.536 um including, sorry, I just need to pull 00:14:32.560 --> 00:14:35.560 up my notes here. Um 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.720 sorry, won't be a second. including I 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:43.016 had them open, but they have closed, 00:14:43.040 --> 00:14:46.040 which is always the way, isn't it? 00:14:49.199 --> 00:14:52.199 Um, and I wanted to point out that um, 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.016 while I pull those up is that there was 00:14:55.040 --> 00:14:56.615 a couple of points I wanted to make. One 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.495 is that I personally have been um, a 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.519 target of anti-Palestinian racism. um 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:04.536 have had rubbish thrown at my windows, 00:15:04.560 --> 00:15:05.976 have had rubbish tipped in my front 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.000 yard, have been verbally um abused by 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.576 business owners on Fitzroy Street for 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:14.600 wearing a kafir um and have had various 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:18.216 conversations um targeted at me as well. 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.136 But I also have come here today as a 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:22.296 member of Port Phillip for Palestine. Um 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.296 and the last event we had had over 50 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.456 people attending a film that was for 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.480 education. We've felt that we have been 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.896 not considered in this conversation 00:15:31.920 --> 00:15:34.456 around racism and that the city of Port 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:36.696 Phillip often just talks about um 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.336 anti-semitism and it doesn't actually 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.416 include all forms of racism. We don't 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.216 think the exceptionalizing is okay. Um 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:45.736 I am going to point of order. There's no 00:15:45.760 --> 00:15:47.336 exceptionalizing going on and we did ask 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:49.096 you to refrain from that sec. I'm happy 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:51.175 to express your view but we are not 00:15:51.199 --> 00:15:54.199 exceptionalizing. All forms of racism 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.536 are abhorrent and the city of Port 00:15:56.560 --> 00:15:58.055 Philip holds that. That's a very 00:15:58.079 --> 00:15:59.576 important value to us. I'm going to ask 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.576 you to refrain from using that language. 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:02.136 Thank you. 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:04.456 Okay. And I can hear you. So maybe when 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.216 we look at what the funding spend has 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:07.815 been, we can see whether it's 00:16:07.839 --> 00:16:10.216 equitable. So I want to express my deep 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.016 concern about you attending this um 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:15.896 forum from tomorrow to the 5th. And we 00:16:15.920 --> 00:16:18.055 urge all counselors to decline their 00:16:18.079 --> 00:16:21.079 attendance. Um and there's some really 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.175 serious ethical and governance issues 00:16:23.199 --> 00:16:25.656 around all expenses paid travel and 00:16:25.680 --> 00:16:27.495 accommodation by CAM constitute a 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:29.815 non-token gift potentially breaching 00:16:29.839 --> 00:16:31.896 council gift and hospitality policies. 00:16:31.920 --> 00:16:33.495 Caroline, thank you. We've reached your 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:35.016 3 minutes, so I'll have to wrap you up. 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:35.336 Thank you. 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:36.856 You did take a couple of seconds, so can 00:16:36.880 --> 00:16:37.815 I have just one more second? 00:16:37.839 --> 00:16:39.656 I've given you a couple of seconds. 00:16:39.680 --> 00:16:41.576 Thank you. Um, also that participation 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.255 may result in a perceived actual 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:44.935 conflict of interest contrary to the 00:16:44.959 --> 00:16:47.175 expectations outlined in state local 00:16:47.199 --> 00:16:48.935 government and there's a human rights 00:16:48.959 --> 00:16:49.495 framework. 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:50.296 Thank you, Caroline. 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:50.696 Thank you. 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.720 Thank you. 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:55.336 Oh, do I stay here? Do you pass it 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:55.656 around? 00:16:55.680 --> 00:16:57.416 Okay, Caroline, it's fine. Thank you. 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.495 Um, I'm going to call on Rebecca Parker 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.175 I believe is online. So, Rebecca, I'm 00:17:01.199 --> 00:17:02.935 just going to ask you to remind you not 00:17:02.959 --> 00:17:04.856 to call anyone out in person. No, you're 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:06.535 not online. 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.935 Yep. Okay. Um well then we might go the 00:17:08.959 --> 00:17:11.175 response from Robin Bolley then to some 00:17:11.199 --> 00:17:14.199 of the questions raised. 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.055 Thank you Carolyn for your question and 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:19.895 through you may as home to one of 00:17:19.919 --> 00:17:21.976 Victoria's largest Jewish communities 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:23.736 the city of Port Phillip has witnessed a 00:17:23.760 --> 00:17:26.055 rise in anti-semitic incidents in recent 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.055 years including increased reports of 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.456 anti-semitic graffiti on council and 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.775 public assets and the horrific arson 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:34.856 attack at the Adas Israel synagogue in 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.880 December 2024. Council has consistently 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.535 condemned anti-semitism and recon 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.456 reaffirmed its commitment to supporting 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.775 our diverse community. This commitment 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:46.856 is embedded in re in the recently 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.880 endorsed council plan 2025 to 2035 which 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.535 prioritizes building a healthy and 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.856 connected community and includes a clear 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.176 focus on combating discrimination, 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.200 racism, and anti-semitism. 00:18:00.320 --> 00:18:01.736 In alignment with this strategic 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:03.736 direction, representatives will attend 00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:05.336 the upcoming May's summit against 00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:07.655 anti-semitism. Their participation 00:18:07.679 --> 00:18:09.576 reflects council's responsibility to 00:18:09.600 --> 00:18:11.416 engage in national conversations and 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.816 advocate for meaningful action to combat 00:18:13.840 --> 00:18:16.456 this growing issue. More broadly, 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.136 council is also developing a 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:20.056 multicultural strategy that will shape 00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:22.056 how council plans, delivers, and 00:18:22.080 --> 00:18:24.856 evaluates services to ensure equitable 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.176 outcomes, promote social cohesion, and 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:30.200 address racism. Thank you, Mayor. 00:18:31.280 --> 00:18:33.256 Okay, so we still don't have Rebecca 00:18:33.280 --> 00:18:36.280 online. No. All right, we'll go over to 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:39.960 Abigail Jabines. Are you online? 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.816 Yes, I am. 00:18:41.840 --> 00:18:43.336 Great. Abigail, if you could state your 00:18:43.360 --> 00:18:45.096 name and suburb, and then you've got 00:18:45.120 --> 00:18:46.456 three minutes. 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.480 Sure. Thank you. Um, I'm Abby. I'm from 00:18:49.840 --> 00:18:52.696 S Kilda East and my questions pertain to 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.720 the sale of land um to Kohl's. I have 00:18:57.280 --> 00:19:00.280 three questions. The first question is, 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.640 there are 23 mostly mature trees in and 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:06.856 alongside the car park behind the Carile 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.576 Street shops between Nelson and Camden 00:19:09.600 --> 00:19:11.496 Streets. 00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:13.336 What protections have been put in place 00:19:13.360 --> 00:19:15.336 for those trees in the event that 00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:17.416 council sells the remaining car park and 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.296 laneway to Colts? 00:19:20.320 --> 00:19:22.856 My second question is which amongst the 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:25.256 conditions and concerns that were raised 00:19:25.280 --> 00:19:26.936 by the community are not under 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.960 negotiation as part of section 173. How 00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:34.056 are these being addressed? 00:19:34.080 --> 00:19:36.456 And my last question, it was flagged 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.616 that the council will make a decision 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.640 regarding this on September 17. If the 00:19:42.080 --> 00:19:43.736 concerns of the community, including 00:19:43.760 --> 00:19:46.296 those that are under negotiation as part 00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:48.535 of section 173, are not addressed by 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:50.936 then, will the council reschedule this 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:52.376 date? 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:52.856 Thank you. 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:54.535 A councelor may take up your questions 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:56.856 when we Oh, no. It's We're not talking 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:57.736 about that tonight. I'm getting 00:19:57.760 --> 00:20:00.456 confused. It's Vicki. Did you Or we'll 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:02.775 do that at the end. Yes. Sorry. Yep. I'm 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:04.296 getting myself confused. We just had a 00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:07.176 conversation about it. 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.200 Geraldine McLolin, are you online? 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.895 Gerald, Jerry, are you there? 00:20:15.919 --> 00:20:18.919 Yes, it's Dr. Jeredene McGlaughlin., 00:20:19.360 --> 00:20:21.895 I'm from Bellaclava. My question tonight 00:20:21.919 --> 00:20:24.456 is please outline how the proposed sale 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.856 of public land on the Bellaclava coals 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.576 car park site complies with local 00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:32.600 government act 1989 and city of Port 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.856 Phillips's own policy on sale of public 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:36.856 land including the engagement of a 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.416 property officer to oversee the sale 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:42.440 process to a private entity. Thank you. 00:20:43.600 --> 00:20:45.655 Great Jerry and we'll we'll answer that 00:20:45.679 --> 00:20:48.679 in grouping in a moment., Anna Malos. 00:20:49.840 --> 00:20:52.056 Anna, are you there? 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:54.775 Yeah. Hello. It's Anna Malos and I'm 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:57.799 from Balaclava. Um, so in advance of the 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.176 decision about whether to sell council 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:03.655 land to Coohl's, I wanted to know if the 00:21:03.679 --> 00:21:06.056 council has sought evaluation of the 00:21:06.080 --> 00:21:09.080 expected market value per square meter 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:11.895 after the purchases combined with Cooh's 00:21:11.919 --> 00:21:14.616 existing land holdings. And if not, has 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:17.256 the council otherwise estimated that 00:21:17.280 --> 00:21:19.655 expected uplift in value per square 00:21:19.679 --> 00:21:22.616 meter given that once Cole buys that 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:24.696 land, it will create a block that's much 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:26.535 more amanable to a large scale 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:28.056 development. 00:21:28.080 --> 00:21:30.856 And um how is the council seeking to 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:32.616 address this additional value for 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.640 Coohl's is given it due in negotiations 00:21:35.679 --> 00:21:38.456 over the sales including through a 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.480 section 173 agreement. Thank you. 00:21:41.520 --> 00:21:43.256 Thank you again. and Anna will answer it 00:21:43.280 --> 00:21:46.280 in a moment. And Julian Vincent, is 00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:50.280 Julian with us? He's online now. Hi, 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.640 Julian. 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:56.696 Thanks, Vicki. Julian, are you there? 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.135 Can I don't know if there's an unmute 00:21:58.159 --> 00:22:01.096 button popped up. 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:02.456 Thank you, pardon. It has. Thank you, 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:03.496 Mayor. Sorry about that. 00:22:03.520 --> 00:22:04.535 No, that's all right. Julian, if you 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:06.216 could just state your name and suburb, 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.056 and then you've got three minutes. 00:22:08.080 --> 00:22:10.696 Thank you. Julian Vincent, Sula East. 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.135 Additionally, on this proposed sale of 00:22:12.159 --> 00:22:14.616 council land, um I'd like to know does 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:16.616 the council possess any analysis 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.616 indicating that the sale of the car park 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.696 and laneways adjacent to Cooh's 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.696 Bellaclava and likely development of 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.015 that site into a mixed residential and 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:26.936 commercial space would improve the 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:28.856 economic conditions for businesses to 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:31.336 operate sustainably, I mean financially 00:22:31.360 --> 00:22:34.216 sustainably along the carile and other 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:36.296 nearby streets. If so, could that 00:22:36.320 --> 00:22:38.936 analysis be made public? And 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.336 secondarily, similarly, does council 00:22:41.360 --> 00:22:43.336 have an alternative scenario analysis 00:22:43.360 --> 00:22:45.496 that considers the opportunity cost of 00:22:45.520 --> 00:22:47.336 selling the car park and language to 00:22:47.360 --> 00:22:50.216 Coohl's and considers whether selling or 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:53.240 retaining this land in council hands 00:22:53.520 --> 00:22:55.576 better enables council to achieve its 00:22:55.600 --> 00:22:58.135 goals for the area regarding supporting 00:22:58.159 --> 00:23:00.056 businesses to operate sustainably, 00:23:00.080 --> 00:23:01.816 achieving vibrancy and diversity of 00:23:01.840 --> 00:23:04.135 business along Kyle and other nearby 00:23:04.159 --> 00:23:07.159 streets. And again, if this um 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.816 scenario analysis, this opportunity cost 00:23:09.840 --> 00:23:11.655 analysis exists, could that be made 00:23:11.679 --> 00:23:14.456 public in any way? Thank you. 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:16.856 All right, Vicki, we'll go to you then. 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:18.696 yes, thank you through you, Mayor. 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.015 I'd like to thank Abigail, Dr. 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:23.176 McLolin, Anna, and Julian for their 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.200 questions. whilst council seeks to 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:28.376 maintain vegetation, it is likely that 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.400 under a significant development um such 00:23:31.679 --> 00:23:34.535 vegetation may be lost as no development 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.775 application has been made as yet. We're 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.799 not aware of any impact um currently on 00:23:40.320 --> 00:23:42.856 these trees. 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:44.535 Council is required to carry out 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:46.696 statutory procedures where it intends to 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.336 sell land or to discontinue and transfer 00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:51.736 roads in relation to the local 00:23:51.760 --> 00:23:54.760 government act 1989 at its ordinary 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.880 meeting on the 21st of August 2024. 00:23:58.159 --> 00:24:00.856 Council voted unanimously to in 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.696 accordance 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:05.720 with clause 3 of schedule 10 of the act 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:08.775 commence the statutory procedures to 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.799 discontinue the roads in accordance with 00:24:11.919 --> 00:24:14.919 sections 207A and 223 of the act. give 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.576 public notice of the proposed 00:24:17.600 --> 00:24:19.976 discontinuence of the roads, stating 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.376 that if the roads are discontinued, 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.535 council proposes to sell the land in the 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:26.456 road to Cooh's group property 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.696 developments limited for no less than 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:31.255 market value and in accordance with 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.279 section 223 of the act here and consider 00:24:34.320 --> 00:24:36.856 any submissions received in response to 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:39.736 the public notice. Port Phillips road 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:42.296 discontinuence and sale of roads policy 00:24:42.320 --> 00:24:44.616 sets out council's approach to the 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.376 discontinuence and sale of roads and 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.696 laneways to ensure that those roads 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.015 reasonably required for public access 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.416 remain open to the public and those not 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.440 genuinely required for public access may 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.496 be discontinued and the land sold. In 00:24:59.520 --> 00:25:01.736 accordance with this policy, council may 00:25:01.760 --> 00:25:04.456 support discontinuence of a road and any 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.936 subsequent sale of land for reasons 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:08.856 including that it may result in a better 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.176 use of land and where the land has no 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.200 strategic value to council. Further, the 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.535 policy sets out sale conditions, 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:18.135 including that council reserves the 00:25:18.159 --> 00:25:20.616 right to place any easement or covenant 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:23.176 on the land to be sold, the land will be 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.736 valued at the current market value, and 00:25:25.760 --> 00:25:28.056 stipulates that the sale of land must 00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:30.056 align with the requirements held under 00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:33.080 council's property policy. 00:25:33.360 --> 00:25:35.816 Evaluation has been commissioned. The 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:38.456 basis of valuation is equitable value, 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.336 which is no less than market value. The 00:25:41.360 --> 00:25:43.496 equitable value methodology considers 00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:45.816 the synergistic value of 00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:47.655 consolidating council's land with 00:25:47.679 --> 00:25:50.679 Coohl's land as well as the obligations 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.576 on Coohl's or any future land owner 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:56.600 contained within the section 173 and 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.775 contract of sale. 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.015 In relation to 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.176 analysis, officers will take this 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.336 question on notice, noting that the 00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:07.816 proposed sale of land and discontinuence 00:26:07.840 --> 00:26:10.056 and transfer of roads is aligned with 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:13.080 council's vision under the 2009 Carlile 00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:16.376 Street retail renewal precinct structure 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.400 plan. 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.480 Officers are will be um presenting a 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:27.255 report back to council on the 24th of 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:28.616 September. 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.640 um now and they will be looking to 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.856 secure a good quality development and 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.880 outcome for the community through the 00:26:37.919 --> 00:26:40.919 contract of sale through a section 173 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.440 agreement and also through a memorandum 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.640 of understanding. 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.880 Thank you. 00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:53.816 Oh, I just realized there's two more 00:26:53.840 --> 00:26:56.840 people who didn't tell me. I'm having 00:26:57.120 --> 00:26:58.775 I'm having one of those nights. 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.456 Apologies. There are two more people to 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.056 um Vicki, you may have to return. Sorry, 00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:04.376 I looked at that and didn't see. Is Lisa 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.400 Milbour online? 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:09.496 Yes, 00:27:09.520 --> 00:27:11.416 Lisa. I I went in early. You may have 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.216 had your question answered already. 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:15.976 but if you could state your name and 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.000 suburb and then please ask ask away. 00:27:19.600 --> 00:27:21.416 Okay. It's Lisa Milburn from 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:22.936 Balaclava 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.655 and the question is on the sale of 00:27:25.679 --> 00:27:28.616 proposed sale of land to Coohl's. 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.176 given the public consultation outcome 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.496 showed that a lot of the community is in 00:27:33.520 --> 00:27:36.520 favor of of the sale if there is a 00:27:37.120 --> 00:27:39.096 sufficient conditions in place to 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:42.120 enhance a good quality development that 00:27:42.159 --> 00:27:44.535 enhances the neighborhood. Has legal 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.559 advice been sought on this matter as to 00:27:47.919 --> 00:27:50.376 what conditions can be included in the 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.400 contract of sale? If not, why? If yes, 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.240 can any details be um shared? 00:27:57.919 --> 00:27:59.816 Lisa, I'll have one more question 00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:01.416 from a different person. Then we'll come 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.655 back and take that question. So, I'm 00:28:03.679 --> 00:28:06.679 going to go to Ruth Slaminski in person. 00:28:07.520 --> 00:28:09.096 Hi, Ruth. If you could state your name 00:28:09.120 --> 00:28:10.375 and suburb, and you've got three 00:28:10.399 --> 00:28:12.696 minutes. Hello, I'm Ruth Slenimky from 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.720 East St. Kilda. Um,, very similar to 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.535 Lisa's,, query, um, my understanding 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.559 is that once the,, Cole's car park 00:28:21.919 --> 00:28:24.696 has been, um, determined to be sold at 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.720 the next meeting, um, hypothetically, 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:29.976 then our local influence over the 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.976 redevelopment will be quite limited. So 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.336 is there anything else that could be 00:28:33.360 --> 00:28:36.360 done um aside from I suppose the legal 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.720 um element that Lisa has recommended 00:28:39.760 --> 00:28:42.696 um to ensure that the community benefit 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.255 that the majority of respondents to the 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.736 consultation um are concerned about is 00:28:47.760 --> 00:28:50.760 achieved via the development that 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.096 is sort of alleged to occur after the 00:28:53.120 --> 00:28:55.336 proposed sale. 00:28:55.360 --> 00:28:57.176 Thank you Vicki. I'll ask you to come 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.200 back. Thank you. 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:05.816 through you, Mayor. Thank you, Lisa and 00:29:05.840 --> 00:29:08.456 Ruth, for those further questions. Um 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:10.775 yes, legal advice has been sought on the 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.799 matter, and um as alluded to earlier, um 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.015 the community benefit is likely to be 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.015 secured through a contract of sale, a 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.039 section 173 agreement, and an MOU. um 00:29:22.159 --> 00:29:24.216 that serves to encompass feedback that 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.135 has been received through engagement 00:29:26.159 --> 00:29:28.535 channels already and also deliver the 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.336 transa transactional objectives that 00:29:31.360 --> 00:29:33.576 have been outlined previously. Thank 00:29:33.600 --> 00:29:35.816 you. All right, now we finish public 00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:38.296 speaking time. So councilors, this is 00:29:38.320 --> 00:29:40.056 the opportunity for you to ask any 00:29:40.080 --> 00:29:41.576 questions. Are there any questions you'd 00:29:41.600 --> 00:29:44.600 like to raise? Council Chiman, 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.176 just as as a follow-up question to one 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.736 of the from one of the question, do 00:29:51.760 --> 00:29:53.736 we know when the Wellington Commons are 00:29:53.760 --> 00:29:55.655 going to open? 00:29:55.679 --> 00:29:57.655 Kylie Bennett. 00:29:57.679 --> 00:30:00.456 through you, Mayor. I understand 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.480 it is getting very close. Um I probably 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.535 need to take on notice the exact date 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.936 for you though. but it is it is 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:10.456 getting very close. I would think in the 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:11.655 next couple of months, but I'll come 00:30:11.679 --> 00:30:14.679 back to you with a firm date. 00:30:15.679 --> 00:30:17.176 Any other questions? Councelor 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.456 Holidayiday. 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:19.816 , thank you, Mayor. Just following up 00:30:19.840 --> 00:30:21.496 on that question, I think it was from 00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:24.520 Dr. Jerry McLolin, um,, about 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.000 when we use a property officer in a sale 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.640 of land process. Is that something that 00:30:33.679 --> 00:30:36.616 we are obliged to do? Do we do that by 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.535 practice or we do do we do that by 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.056 exception? 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:43.080 Lachlan Johnson 00:30:46.320 --> 00:30:48.296 through you may thank you 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:51.176 councelor for your question. So there's 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.895 a as Vicki outlined there's a number 00:30:53.919 --> 00:30:56.456 of different policies that relate to how 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.480 council goes about transa undertaking 00:30:59.600 --> 00:31:01.816 transactions. So be that procurement 00:31:01.840 --> 00:31:04.296 discontinuence of laneways and 00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:07.176 through the sale of land. so under 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.176 those different policies they provide 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.496 guidance as to when independent property 00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:14.296 advice or legal advice should be sought. 00:31:14.320 --> 00:31:16.856 Um under our procurement policy for 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.535 certain procurement activities the 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.416 thresholds at which um it's recommended 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.736 that property independent property 00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:26.760 advice is provided for under our 00:31:27.120 --> 00:31:29.736 property policy. it refers to 00:31:29.760 --> 00:31:32.375 council's broader um property 00:31:32.399 --> 00:31:34.216 obligations and leaves it at the 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.456 discretion of leaves it for discretion 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.696 for each individual transaction. It's 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.576 common practice for council to use 00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:44.535 property advisor um but it's not 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.135 necessarily used in every single 00:31:46.159 --> 00:31:48.936 activity 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.936 follow. 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.416 So based on that, am I right in assuming 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.440 that we have not um deployed a property 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.480 officer in this um transaction? 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.775 through you, Mayor, we have sought 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:04.616 legal advice and property advice 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.616 throughout in terms of an actual 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.535 property plan and property advice. I'll 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.375 need to take that on notice to provide 00:32:10.399 --> 00:32:13.399 an accurate answer. 00:32:13.600 --> 00:32:16.600 You couldn't really take on a public. 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:18.456 No. 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.535 Any further questions, counselors? Yes, 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:21.255 thank you. Council 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:21.816 M. 00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:24.296 Thank you, Mayor., question. Given 00:32:24.320 --> 00:32:25.816 that it's now been reported that 00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:28.135 Melbourne University is delaying the 00:32:28.159 --> 00:32:30.056 opening of its campus in Fisherman's 00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:32.375 Bend, what impact is that likely to have 00:32:32.399 --> 00:32:35.399 on Fisherman's Bend and the projections? 00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:38.600 Brian T., thank you. And through 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.720 you Mayor while the um location of 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.000 the university is technically outside of 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.039 the mun municipality of the city of Port 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.240 Phillip um it is the university 00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:56.296 campus there is proposed to be a core 00:32:56.320 --> 00:32:58.775 tenant and the outcome will be 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.799 disappointing and um may delay may 00:33:02.159 --> 00:33:04.535 compromise or at least delay the del the 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.696 delivery of the fisherman's bend 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.576 vision. 00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:10.600 Um the Port Philip Council continues to 00:33:11.120 --> 00:33:14.120 advocate and indeed call on the 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.456 Victorian government to build confidence 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.416 in Fisherman's Bend including through 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.495 finalizing its precent planning and 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.736 infrastructure funding arrangements and 00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:26.056 of course committing to the delivery 00:33:26.080 --> 00:33:28.936 of the Fisherman's Bend Tram and Metro 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.736 2. 00:33:31.760 --> 00:33:34.760 Councelor Holidayiday, 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.775 just following up on the question about 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.799 the car parks. I'm just wondering um 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.480 do we have any many car parks that we 00:33:43.919 --> 00:33:46.696 own but we don't manage? Are there some 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.096 number that are private or that are 00:33:49.120 --> 00:33:51.895 managed by a third party on our behalf? 00:33:51.919 --> 00:33:53.976 That's a that's a shaking head. No. So, 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.216 we manage we manage all our own car 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:57.576 parks. 00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:00.600 Not that we are aware of. No. 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.720 Thank you. Any 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.240 further questions? 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.095 What was that? 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.776 Oh, okay. That's that's all right. Okay, 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.776 counselors. Um, we if there's no other 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.335 questions, we'll move on to the next 00:34:17.359 --> 00:34:19.176 part which is a ceiling schedule of 00:34:19.200 --> 00:34:21.016 which we have none and then petitions 00:34:21.040 --> 00:34:23.095 and joint letters of which we have none. 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.016 So, let's move to 8 to 13 which is 00:34:25.040 --> 00:34:27.335 presentation of reports on the agenda. 00:34:27.359 --> 00:34:29.575 So 12.1 is the St. Kilder triangle 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.296 feasibility advocacy outcomes. 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.135 Councilors, do you have any questions 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:35.895 for the officers in regards to this 00:34:35.919 --> 00:34:38.919 report? 00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:46.855 No. Do we have any Sorry, I'm just 00:34:46.879 --> 00:34:48.216 getting it up on my computer. Do we have 00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:50.135 any questions? If not, we have an 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:51.575 officer's recommendation. Councelor 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.599 Tomman to move. Do I have a seconder? 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.216 Councelor Min, come on. You want to You 00:34:56.240 --> 00:34:57.815 want a second? Thank you. Councelor 00:34:57.839 --> 00:35:00.839 Tman, would you like to speak? 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:03.176 Obviously, the singular triangle has 00:35:03.200 --> 00:35:05.575 been an issue in this for this 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.599 council for a few years. Um 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.960 um I 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.055 just say that I'm not surprised with the 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.079 outcome of in this report. and that 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.760 um you know I knew a long time ago 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.296 that there wouldn't be all that money 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.976 to build a live music venue and 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.776 especially now there's a 5,000 venue 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.575 pable venue built part of the pizza at 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:33.335 Alberta Park Lake. So apparently there 00:35:33.359 --> 00:35:36.296 is a so you know we will have a 5,000 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.536 seat venue but not not on Sincla 00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:41.560 triangle. Um so um I'm pleased that we 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.016 are stopping that doesn't mean that the 00:35:45.040 --> 00:35:47.976 Sinclair Triangle is dead. I'm still in 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.656 my heart believe that something can 00:35:49.680 --> 00:35:52.136 happen and if if it happens it happens. 00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:54.376 but I don't think also that you know 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.296 in my vision for the Sinila triangle it 00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.616 should be something that is obviously 00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:01.176 cultural that is open seven days a week 00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:03.416 that brings people to Sila all year 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.656 round and I don't think that music venue 00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:07.815 that is open once or twice a week at 00:36:07.839 --> 00:36:09.896 night will would have benefited that 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.776 much Sila as a precinct. So the 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.256 Sinclair triangle could is in my mind 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.736 can be the the game changers that we are 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.760 looking for. You know, we be looking, we 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.496 keep looking, but at the moment is it's 00:36:23.520 --> 00:36:25.416 still a car park. I'm pleased that we're 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.016 going to beautify the car park as part 00:36:27.040 --> 00:36:29.335 of this resolution. make it more 00:36:29.359 --> 00:36:31.416 interesting. so maybe it becomes an 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.656 art piece. Don Gazard used to call it, 00:36:33.680 --> 00:36:35.416 you know, he wanted to have an art an 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.440 art garden back then. So um so yes so um 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:40.936 you know we're stopping what we're doing 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.960 but um in my mind it's not finished. So 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:47.976 councelor Min 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.216 since I second this motion why not 00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:53.016 echoing councelor Tomman's vision for 00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:55.176 the s kilda triangle and it highlights 00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:57.736 once again the need for other levels of 00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.416 government to work in partnership with 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.496 us whether it's fisherman's band whether 00:37:01.520 --> 00:37:04.520 it's the s kilda triangle we need the 00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:06.136 state and commonwealth governments to 00:37:06.160 --> 00:37:08.376 work in partnership with us and our 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.616 communities to deliver on the culture 00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:13.640 the vision of our communities 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.376 councelor Thomann said this is more of an 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.400 hiatus than the death nail of of the 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.656 soda triangle but this is really around 00:37:21.680 --> 00:37:23.815 ensuring that there is a shared vision 00:37:23.839 --> 00:37:25.656 that can be delivered on behalf of our 00:37:25.680 --> 00:37:28.216 community I commend councelor Timone 00:37:28.240 --> 00:37:31.095 for the work he's put in to date 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.256 any other councelor wish to speak to the 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.136 item councelor Hardy 00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:37.815 yes I'm in support of the motion and I'd 00:37:37.839 --> 00:37:39.736 like to see it as a car park it's a very 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:41.256 efficient car park and brings a lot of 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.976 people to silder area so the longer 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.456 it remains a car park. I think the 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.480 longer I'll support it being such. 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.016 Here we go. Council holiday 00:37:53.040 --> 00:37:53.896 started. 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:55.976 I'm looking forward to the the waves 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.936 washing over the car park in the future. 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.960 Um but until then I look forward to us 00:38:03.040 --> 00:38:06.040 um adding some greenery to Sinota 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.480 Triangle um through this this course of 00:38:09.839 --> 00:38:12.296 action and maybe some trees or bushes 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.055 or something in there to bring a bit of 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.079 life to that um that ashelt jungle 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.896 as it is. Um anyway, I will support this 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:23.575 and looking forward to moving on with at 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.736 least some action there. 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.575 Any other councelor wish to speak to the 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.216 item? 00:38:30.240 --> 00:38:32.456 I'm going to put in my vision is we just 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.296 do a raised car a car park and then a 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:35.815 roller skating rink outdoor roller 00:38:35.839 --> 00:38:37.815 skating rink over the top much more 00:38:37.839 --> 00:38:39.736 affordable. Anyway, no I I want to thank 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:41.656 you to the officers who particularly 00:38:41.680 --> 00:38:44.055 last term put so much time and energy 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.456 into really um going out to market and 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.856 and really turning over every stone to 00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.736 see what was possible. Um but I am very 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:53.256 happy to leave it here at this point 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.176 given that there will as councelor Min 00:38:55.200 --> 00:38:56.776 said needs other levels of government to 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.800 participate or or a big benefactor. Um 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.016 one day we'll get there but it's not not 00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:05.815 right now. 00:39:05.839 --> 00:39:07.976 Council Tom would you like to close? 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.776 No you know as councelor Hardy said the 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.800 car park is vital um and brings in you 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:16.856 know quite a bit of revenue to the city 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:18.376 of Port Phillips. 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.136 even if we add a few trees and stuff 00:39:20.160 --> 00:39:21.976 we will still remain a car park I'm sure 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.936 and thanks all for your support and 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.176 thanks for the officers to for the you 00:39:27.200 --> 00:39:29.335 know all the phone calls to various 00:39:29.359 --> 00:39:31.416 members of government and unfortunately 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.976 you know the response was no we all know 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.176 the state government doesn't have that 00:39:35.200 --> 00:39:38.200 much money available at the moment 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.896 all right let's put that to the vote all 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.920 those in favor all those against that is 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.335 carried unanimously 00:39:45.359 --> 00:39:47.575 moving on to 13.1 which is the 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:49.575 governance rules the final approval of 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.456 the updates post consultation. So 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.095 councilors do we have any questions of 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.119 the officers in regards to this this 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.016 report? 00:40:01.040 --> 00:40:01.335 Council 00:40:01.359 --> 00:40:04.296 one question obviously benchmarking 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.320 formed a key part of the revised 00:40:07.520 --> 00:40:09.256 governance rules. Would officers just be 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:10.456 able to sort of reiterate some of the 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:11.896 key areas where they're able to 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.376 benchmark the proposed governance rules 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.400 against common practices in the sector? 00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:20.856 James Gullan. 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:22.936 thank you councelor Min and through 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.335 you may we did a quite a 00:40:25.359 --> 00:40:27.016 comprehensive benchmarking report at the 00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:28.456 end of last year where we assessed 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.536 across a range of factors. So we looked 00:40:30.560 --> 00:40:33.176 at I think 12 inter municipal 00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:36.055 councils in a like forl like manner. We 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.456 looked across various things such as 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.480 councelor speaking time. We looked at um 00:40:41.680 --> 00:40:43.496 provisions around notice of motions. We 00:40:43.520 --> 00:40:46.520 looked at about 15 different um areas of 00:40:46.640 --> 00:40:48.696 governance rules to make a comparison 00:40:48.720 --> 00:40:50.616 even things to the point around 00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:52.856 community participation, the length of 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.776 community speaking times on average. And 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:56.376 we found that city of Port Phillip in 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.856 that case was um had some of the longest 00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:00.616 and most available community 00:41:00.640 --> 00:41:02.696 participation. So we did quite a 00:41:02.720 --> 00:41:05.016 thorough um review in that space that 00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:08.040 did inform the these rules um and they 00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:10.616 were the fundamental kind of bedrock of 00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:12.456 of how we've looked at to implement 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.055 changes and uplifts in line with not 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.055 only what we see as sector best practice 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.815 but in line with what we anticipate the 00:41:17.839 --> 00:41:20.839 model governance rules to look like. 00:41:21.200 --> 00:41:24.200 Any further questions? councelor Jay. 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.440 Yeah, I've got a couple of questions. Um 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.880 in the report in 5.3 it says 00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:40.520 that there was a governance specialist 00:41:41.520 --> 00:41:43.416 um put onto this. Did the government 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.896 specialists make any comment regarding 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.920 aligning our governance with the state's 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.976 model governance that they're releasing? 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.000 And do we have a specific date of when 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.776 the state will will release their model 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.335 counselor governance 00:42:01.359 --> 00:42:02.856 recommendations? 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.376 Um, 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:05.976 and is there a reason that we didn't 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.000 align our adoption of the governance 00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:11.656 with the state government and take their 00:42:11.680 --> 00:42:14.055 feedback into consideration? 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:15.416 James Gullan. 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.736 Great., thank you, Councelor Jay, and 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.760 through you, Mayor. Um, at this point in 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.456 time, there's no standardized practice 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.216 around the adoption of governance rules 00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:27.095 across the sector. We've engaged um not 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.335 just through our our various networking 00:42:29.359 --> 00:42:31.736 groups but through our our colleagues in 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.376 our metropolitan councils. Um there's a 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.616 split. Some have elected to go early on 00:42:36.640 --> 00:42:38.136 governance rules like the city of Port 00:42:38.160 --> 00:42:40.295 Phillip. Others are waiting for the 00:42:40.319 --> 00:42:43.016 model governance rules to come out. What 00:42:43.040 --> 00:42:44.456 we do know at this point in time with 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.936 the model governance rules um is that 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.016 they won't be mandated unless in 00:42:49.040 --> 00:42:52.040 exceptional circumstances by ministerial 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.079 um by a ministerial um direction. Um 00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.136 we've consult we have consulted on the 00:42:58.160 --> 00:42:59.656 drafting of these governance rules with 00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:02.136 a member of the technical advisory group 00:43:02.160 --> 00:43:04.536 for the model governance rules as well 00:43:04.560 --> 00:43:07.095 um to see where we could align align 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.736 where possible. So um to answer your 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.760 questions um councelor there's a mix 00:43:13.200 --> 00:43:15.016 across the sector. So there is no 00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:17.416 recommendation on best practice. Um we 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:19.656 have engaged with a technical um member 00:43:19.680 --> 00:43:22.295 from that group to support alignment. Um 00:43:22.319 --> 00:43:25.319 and councilors um I think at the start 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:27.815 of this process were notified of the 00:43:27.839 --> 00:43:30.616 opportunity to delay in awaiting the 00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:33.176 model governance rules and elected to 00:43:33.200 --> 00:43:36.055 pursue changes earlier on with the 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.815 potential option to reinterrogate once 00:43:37.839 --> 00:43:40.376 those model governance rules are um 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:42.376 formalized. We anticipate that to be 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.456 either at the end of this year or early 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:45.976 next year. 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:47.575 Was there another question councelor 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.376 Jay? There is 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.536 um the other questions regarding 00:43:52.560 --> 00:43:55.095 community impact 9.1 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.119 and my question is for confirmation. 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.400 the 12 midday deadline moved from 400 00:44:01.839 --> 00:44:04.839 p.m. is that for online speakers and um 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.376 will especially some of the elderly be 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.376 able to still register before the 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.696 council meeting 00:44:12.720 --> 00:44:15.256 in in flesh? 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.856 James., 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.696 and what did the community say about 00:44:18.720 --> 00:44:21.720 this? I couldn't see any feedback in the 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.016 documents. 00:44:23.040 --> 00:44:24.376 Thank you, councelor Jay, and through 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:25.976 you, Mayor., we didn't receive any 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.456 formal um community feedback on this, 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.216 but what we are trying to do through 00:44:30.240 --> 00:44:32.856 these uplifts is balance um 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.256 accessibility considerations and also 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.496 administrative considerations around 00:44:37.520 --> 00:44:40.136 late questions often um result in many 00:44:40.160 --> 00:44:42.776 questions being taken on notice. Um 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.616 under the proposed governance rules, 00:44:44.640 --> 00:44:47.640 we'd look to um move manual forms to be 00:44:47.680 --> 00:44:50.376 available from our front desk um at the 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.776 assist counter. We'd also be able to 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.800 enable a um telephone in option. And we 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.815 also were hoping to do this in a phased 00:44:57.839 --> 00:44:59.815 approach to allow that transition to be 00:44:59.839 --> 00:45:02.839 tested and um and undertaken without um 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.760 with a reasonable adjustment period. 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.920 Sorry, James. Does so was that a a no? 00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:13.976 They will not be able to physically sign 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.055 up on the night. 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:17.496 That's correct. 00:45:17.520 --> 00:45:19.496 All right. Thank you. 00:45:19.520 --> 00:45:22.520 Any further questions, counselors? 00:45:22.560 --> 00:45:24.456 If not, we have an officer's re Oh, hang 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.696 on. Councelor Consol. Sorry. Was that 00:45:26.720 --> 00:45:29.095 about questions or about making 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.119 submissions to items? Because I get 00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:33.815 where you want to prep to prepare an 00:45:33.839 --> 00:45:35.335 answer and not take them on notice if 00:45:35.359 --> 00:45:36.776 it's a question, but if they're just 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:38.376 speaking to an item, are they allowed to 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.696 still do a blue form? 00:45:40.720 --> 00:45:43.720 James 00:45:48.240 --> 00:45:50.376 through you may it was proposed for 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.400 both questions and um sub speaking to 00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.920 submissions 00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.976 councilors do we have any further 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.536 questions or we have an officer's 00:46:02.560 --> 00:46:05.496 recommendation do I have this someone 00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:07.575 to move this or something different 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.736 I've got an alternative recommendation 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:10.856 May there 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.016 I was going to go with Justin first. So 00:46:13.040 --> 00:46:14.776 Oh, you can you can go with Justin 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.136 first. You're the chair. 00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:19.160 You 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.176 Yes. Sorry. I was going to go to Justin. 00:46:21.200 --> 00:46:23.656 Sorry. And then I got distracted. So can 00:46:23.680 --> 00:46:24.536 do you have 00:46:24.560 --> 00:46:26.936 I'm not Yeah, I would like to move an 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:27.575 amendment. 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.936 Well, no. You can't you can't move the 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.896 motion then. Want to do Yeah. So, hang 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:32.856 on. 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:33.896 I'm happy to move. 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.920 All right. So, sorry. 00:46:41.040 --> 00:46:43.256 Well, now I feel bad now. Hang on. Just 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:44.936 give me just give me one sec. 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:45.896 Apologies, ma'am. 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.920 Okay, so 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.016 look, in fairness, I'm going to allow 00:46:57.040 --> 00:46:58.376 the altreck because that you weren't 00:46:58.400 --> 00:46:59.416 moving the motion. You're moving 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.335 amendment. If the alt wreck should fail, 00:47:01.359 --> 00:47:03.416 I I will foreshadow that. I will move 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:04.936 the officer's recommendation. So, 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.656 councelor Jay, can we get the altre 00:47:07.680 --> 00:47:10.680 wreck on the 00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:12.216 now? Have you shared this with us, 00:47:12.240 --> 00:47:14.295 councelor Jay? Do we have it in an 00:47:14.319 --> 00:47:16.136 email? 00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:19.016 Um, I would say no. I think I shared an 00:47:19.040 --> 00:47:21.815 intent. 00:47:21.839 --> 00:47:24.839 So, is that the only bit that's changed? 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.616 Yeah. So um my recommendation is and 00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:30.616 I'll ask the councilors to support 00:47:30.640 --> 00:47:33.640 moving um the adoption of the the the 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.016 governance 00:47:37.040 --> 00:47:40.040 changes to being in line with 00:47:40.640 --> 00:47:42.696 um the model governance rules issued by 00:47:42.720 --> 00:47:44.616 the state government and allow us a 00:47:44.640 --> 00:47:47.640 chance to um hear back from 00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:51.416 from not only our community but our 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.440 state government. 00:47:54.720 --> 00:47:56.536 Do you want me to read it? It's Thank 00:47:56.560 --> 00:47:56.776 you. 00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.136 I'm just just going to seek advice 00:47:58.160 --> 00:47:59.736 because usually deferrals are separate. 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.335 So does Can I could you give me one 00:48:01.359 --> 00:48:02.776 minute for council J? 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.800 Absolutely. 00:48:22.240 --> 00:48:24.295 Yep. Okay. It's very unusual, but yes, 00:48:24.319 --> 00:48:25.496 let's go with it. So, if you could read 00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:27.016 the red bit out, that would be great, 00:48:27.040 --> 00:48:28.936 Councelor Jay. And then I'll ask for a 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.456 seconder. 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.776 Um, thanks the community. Thanks to the 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:34.535 community for their participation in the 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.559 governance rules review. Um, I seek to 00:48:37.839 --> 00:48:40.216 defer the its consideration of the 00:48:40.240 --> 00:48:42.216 governance rules to allow for further 00:48:42.240 --> 00:48:44.136 review of the community feedback and 00:48:44.160 --> 00:48:46.696 considerations of recommendations 00:48:46.720 --> 00:48:49.496 expected in the forthcoming model 00:48:49.520 --> 00:48:51.496 governance rules issued by the state 00:48:51.520 --> 00:48:54.520 government. Do we have a second? 00:48:55.520 --> 00:48:57.815 Councelor Timant to second. All right. 00:48:57.839 --> 00:49:00.776 Councelor Jay, you've got the floor is 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:02.376 yours. 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.456 Yep. Um, governing our meetings is 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.016 paramount in supporting our community. 00:49:07.040 --> 00:49:10.040 Democracy and transparency. This is not 00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.079 a topic to rush or to tick off the list. 00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:15.335 Russian governance is poor governance in 00:49:15.359 --> 00:49:17.575 my opinion. So, I'm going to urge the 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:19.256 councilors just to wait a little longer 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.280 so we can get it right. Um there's a few 00:49:22.640 --> 00:49:25.496 little issues that we can iron out in 00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:27.736 the meantime and be absolutely in line 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:29.256 with the state government and their 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.335 recommendations and not come back. I 00:49:31.359 --> 00:49:34.055 think it would be best practice to 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.055 literally just defer it. All the hard 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.376 work's done and I hope for your support 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.696 in that tonight. 00:49:40.720 --> 00:49:43.496 Councelor Thomann 00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:46.216 well we we're not agreeing on you know 00:49:46.240 --> 00:49:49.240 there are few details that we have not 00:49:49.359 --> 00:49:52.359 sort of um sorted properly so I think 00:49:53.040 --> 00:49:56.040 by you know there's no rush to get this 00:49:56.319 --> 00:49:58.456 unless you know the CEO tells us that we 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.416 have to to get that done right away I 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.496 think we should maybe wait spend a 00:50:03.520 --> 00:50:06.136 bit more time on those rules that will 00:50:06.160 --> 00:50:08.456 govern the next four or five years of 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:11.335 the the work of our council. So I think 00:50:11.359 --> 00:50:14.295 um to put a bit more time and and 00:50:14.319 --> 00:50:16.856 thinking into it is not a bad thing and 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.880 it will respond to our thoughts and the 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.616 thoughts that were that have come up 00:50:22.640 --> 00:50:23.976 from the community through the 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.000 consultation we have undertaken. 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.416 I'm going to speak to this one. I think 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:30.616 we have to be really careful. There is 00:50:30.640 --> 00:50:32.055 no right in governance rules. There's 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:33.736 just adjustments to make the meeting. 00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.575 It's a set of rules to make meetings run 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:36.776 well. 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.736 um they're constantly reviewed multiple 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.575 times in a term. So there's opportunity 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:43.976 to relook at them at any point in time. 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.656 Um there is no right. There's just 00:50:45.680 --> 00:50:47.176 things that we have recognized that 00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:48.776 would make the meeting run smoother, 00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:50.856 would make it fairer, um more equitable 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.335 for community and for counselors. 00:50:53.359 --> 00:50:54.936 you'll never get full agreement on any 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.936 particular position. So I urge my 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.095 councils not to defer. Let's try these 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:00.936 adjustments that we're making. There's 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.095 no, you know, there is opportunity to 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.335 revisit it down the track. Also to note 00:51:05.359 --> 00:51:06.535 that the state governments, they're not 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:07.656 going to be prescriptive. They're just 00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:09.256 going to be general principles like you 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.335 must have opportunity for public 00:51:11.359 --> 00:51:13.815 question time. It's not going to be um 00:51:13.839 --> 00:51:15.656 give us anything more than we currently 00:51:15.680 --> 00:51:17.496 have. So I'd urge my counselors, we've 00:51:17.520 --> 00:51:19.256 done the we've done the consultation. We 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:20.696 know the amendments and the adjustments 00:51:20.720 --> 00:51:22.856 we want to make. Let's try it. If we 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.376 come back, we can always adjust again. 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.616 It's it's it's open to us. But I think 00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:28.856 to delay and can I say as your current 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.416 chair noting when we do have really big 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:33.335 numbers in the audience um and and 00:51:33.359 --> 00:51:35.896 allowing fair time for counselors and 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:37.976 the public question time I would urge 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:39.575 you to make these adjustments because it 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.176 will make the meeting much more 00:51:41.200 --> 00:51:43.896 effective for everyone um especially the 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.920 um the ons concerns for officers and for 00:51:47.680 --> 00:51:49.896 us to make good decisions in a timely 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:51.896 manner and not be here till 1:30 in the 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.575 night which is not good for anyone. And 00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.136 so councilors, I urge you to um to not 00:51:56.160 --> 00:51:58.856 support this motion. Councelor H. Oh, 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:00.856 no. No, sorry, it was councelor Consol. 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.856 Thank you. although I like the idea 00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.616 of model that we're all working together 00:52:04.640 --> 00:52:06.936 in the in the local government sector, 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.295 this is really the opportunity that we 00:52:08.319 --> 00:52:10.696 can see how us as a city of Port Phillip 00:52:10.720 --> 00:52:13.720 can make the decisions based on 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.416 how we understand our community because 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.176 we have a very active community and it's 00:52:17.200 --> 00:52:19.496 fantastic that the community comes. 00:52:19.520 --> 00:52:21.815 Sometimes in the past we've had issues 00:52:21.839 --> 00:52:23.736 where a lot of people have come and it's 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.656 been very very very late and we it was 00:52:25.680 --> 00:52:27.815 hard to get to some major decisions. 00:52:27.839 --> 00:52:29.416 That hasn't happened this term of 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.176 counselor yet. And so as a counselor 00:52:31.200 --> 00:52:32.535 group we can see that well maybe it's 00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:34.456 not as necessary some of these changes 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.376 but having been through last term we can 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.095 see when those extreme situations happen 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.335 it would help. We've also gotten really 00:52:41.359 --> 00:52:44.359 much better at looking forward in the 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:46.295 forward planning of these meetings going 00:52:46.319 --> 00:52:48.295 oh that's becoming a really big meeting. 00:52:48.319 --> 00:52:50.376 Maybe we should shift things so that we 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.216 don't always have to rely on these kind 00:52:52.240 --> 00:52:54.535 of rules to shut the meeting down at 4 00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.095 hours after it starts plus 30 minutes um 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.119 grace time extension time. So, it's not 00:53:00.319 --> 00:53:01.815 a perfect one. There's a few things I 00:53:01.839 --> 00:53:03.656 don't like about the rules. Um maybe 00:53:03.680 --> 00:53:05.736 we've gone too far, but the thing about 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.976 changes is that we'll we'll learn along 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.736 the way as well what we got wrong and 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:11.736 can readjust to. We already have the 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.736 point in time where we're going to see 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:16.136 when the model rules come back anyway. 00:53:16.160 --> 00:53:17.815 So, if it was a deferral for another 00:53:17.839 --> 00:53:19.256 week or two because we still needed to 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:20.696 iron out a few things, that probably 00:53:20.720 --> 00:53:22.376 would be us not being prepared on our 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.400 end. But to defer it to this all up, I 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.575 don't think it's going to benefit us. 00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:29.815 So, I won't be voting for this. 00:53:29.839 --> 00:53:31.496 I think Council Holiday was next and 00:53:31.520 --> 00:53:34.216 then I'll come to you. 00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:36.376 Um, if I've learned one thing in this 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.216 life, it's not to wait for the state 00:53:38.240 --> 00:53:41.240 government to do something. Um, 00:53:41.520 --> 00:53:43.736 because you will always be disappointed. 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.496 um 00:53:45.520 --> 00:53:48.376 which is which is a bit mean to say 00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.400 but more on topic here um there are some 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.136 really good changes in these governance 00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:59.095 rules that 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.575 um I think it's important for us to get 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:04.376 underway with and I I won't speak to 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:06.136 them at the moment as I'm sure others 00:54:06.160 --> 00:54:09.160 will um so I will not be supporting this 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.335 this motion 00:54:11.359 --> 00:54:12.776 council man 00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:13.896 thank 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.376 Speaking against this alternate 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.936 recommendation, as has been highlighted, 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.960 governance is paramount and it is you 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.936 don't get better governance by delaying 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.896 better rules and procedures that govern 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.216 us as counselors. 00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:32.776 You know the test for any rule, any law 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.535 legally is what a reasonable person 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.559 would do. And our governance rules and I 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:39.736 commend the benchmarking exercise 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:41.416 that has been undertaken has been very 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.016 comprehensive 00:54:43.040 --> 00:54:45.335 are pegged to what reasonable counselors 00:54:45.359 --> 00:54:48.359 in reasonable councils do in terms of 00:54:48.720 --> 00:54:51.095 speaking limits for councilors in terms 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.416 of the mechanisms for public engagement 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.896 in terms of the length and conduct of 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.736 meetings. 00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:59.496 There are some great things in these 00:54:59.520 --> 00:55:01.095 governance rules as well that we should 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:04.119 not allow to be delayed. Deputations 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.095 will enable a new mechanism for 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.335 community engagement. One which Port 00:55:09.359 --> 00:55:11.815 Phillip historically did lead on and 00:55:11.839 --> 00:55:14.839 will potentially be subject to the rules 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.440 being adopted will subsequently be back 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.496 in the chamber of Port Phillip. that 00:55:21.520 --> 00:55:23.736 will give greater community depth, 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.535 greater discussion between the public, 00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.559 our community and us as a council. You 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:30.776 know, one of the things that I can 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.575 reflect on in now entering my third term 00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.295 across two different local councils has 00:55:36.319 --> 00:55:38.295 been how public question times almost 00:55:38.319 --> 00:55:41.095 become the default mechanism for 00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.119 community officially asking questions of 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.456 council. You know, public question time 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.480 is designed for or was designed for 00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:52.856 transactional type things, things that 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.856 you can really answer on the night and 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.256 potentially fix. Because other 00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.055 mechanisms across the sector have been 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.216 removed, such as deputations, public 00:56:02.240 --> 00:56:03.976 question time has tried to fill many, 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.295 many different shoes. Restoring 00:56:06.319 --> 00:56:09.095 deputations will give our community an 00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:12.055 ability to engage substantively in 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.079 conversation with us us as a council and 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.736 we have all across this chamber said 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.095 wouldn't it be great if we could have 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:21.976 deeper more engaging conversation. 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.055 Delaying our governance rules will not 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.456 allow that. Delaying our governance 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.535 rules will not enable us to be 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.016 benchmarked and paired with best 00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:33.575 practice across the sector. This is 00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.136 about us striving towards best practice 00:56:36.160 --> 00:56:38.775 and we should be always moving forward 00:56:38.799 --> 00:56:41.016 towards best practice and not delaying 00:56:41.040 --> 00:56:43.976 it on as my colleague councelor 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.456 Holidayiday said the wishing on 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.535 timelines that other tiers of government 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.496 may or may not meet. All that does is 00:56:51.520 --> 00:56:53.496 delay a decision when information is 00:56:53.520 --> 00:56:55.656 before us and one which will lead to 00:56:55.680 --> 00:56:57.656 better rules, better conduct of our 00:56:57.680 --> 00:56:59.656 meetings. I definitely do not support 00:56:59.680 --> 00:57:02.680 the deferment of this item. Any other 00:57:03.520 --> 00:57:06.055 council like to wish to speak to it? 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.856 Council me. 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.880 Thank you Mayor. Um I am talking for 00:57:13.359 --> 00:57:16.359 supporting this amendment. 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.416 democracies are very sensitive and a 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.440 very um often bandied about word. the 00:57:25.359 --> 00:57:28.359 local government process enables us to 00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.775 interface directly with our community 00:57:30.799 --> 00:57:33.095 and residents. 00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.016 We don't have to rush headlong into 00:57:35.040 --> 00:57:36.936 changes. 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.960 It has been said on occasion that we 00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:43.575 should look at other councils and look 00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.599 at what they do. and I would remind 00:57:47.359 --> 00:57:49.095 my colleagues that there are many 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:50.856 councils that have been and gone that 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.176 are in administration that have done 00:57:53.200 --> 00:57:55.496 things incorrectly. 00:57:55.520 --> 00:57:58.520 We have a an organization and a council 00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:01.720 that is very well managed and run and I 00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:04.136 believe that rather than rushing 00:58:04.160 --> 00:58:06.535 headlong into this change, we should 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.176 take further and longer time to discuss 00:58:09.200 --> 00:58:12.200 what the changes mean. We have seen the 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.480 results of the surveys and from what I 00:58:15.680 --> 00:58:18.680 can see the residents want the time to 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.760 interact with their council and 00:58:22.799 --> 00:58:25.656 interestingly enough they want our or 00:58:25.680 --> 00:58:28.680 the counselors to speak less. So there 00:58:28.799 --> 00:58:31.799 is a message for all of us. Thank you. 00:58:33.200 --> 00:58:35.496 Councelor Hardy, 00:58:35.520 --> 00:58:38.520 I am a little torn on this issue. 00:58:39.359 --> 00:58:41.416 Councilors may discuss their opinions at 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.335 council only time, corridors, phone 00:58:43.359 --> 00:58:45.815 calls, internet, coffee shops, and 00:58:45.839 --> 00:58:47.976 places where the public are not privy, 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:51.000 especially over a fine wine at bar. 00:58:51.040 --> 00:58:53.016 Council meetings give the public a full 00:58:53.040 --> 00:58:55.736 appreciation of the council's opinion on 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:58.055 an issue at hand, and they should not be 00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.079 restricted to time. Thanks, 00:59:02.640 --> 00:59:05.640 Council Buckingham. 00:59:07.680 --> 00:59:10.376 Thank you, Mayor. I will not be 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:11.416 supporting this alternative 00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.440 recommendation tonight and I just I 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.535 don't want to repeat what other 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:18.136 councilors have already said but I would 00:59:18.160 --> 00:59:21.016 like to draw attention to the fact that 00:59:21.040 --> 00:59:23.176 there has this hasn't been a rushed 00:59:23.200 --> 00:59:26.136 process. We've had legal advice from 00:59:26.160 --> 00:59:28.775 Maddox Law Law Firm. It complies with 00:59:28.799 --> 00:59:30.456 the local government act. We've been out 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.936 for consultation. We are responding to 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.815 recommendations by integrity bodies such 00:59:35.839 --> 00:59:38.839 as IBBACK and it will improve 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.016 occupational health and safety 00:59:41.040 --> 00:59:43.656 considerations. I do believe that these 00:59:43.680 --> 00:59:45.815 changes 00:59:45.839 --> 00:59:48.295 will improve our decision-m processes 00:59:48.319 --> 00:59:50.055 and will improve the transparency of 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:53.079 this council. And 00:59:53.359 --> 00:59:55.656 if there are unintended consequences 00:59:55.680 --> 00:59:58.136 that are not working, we can come back 00:59:58.160 --> 01:00:01.160 and review. if the state model 01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:04.936 governance rules if there's a divergence 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.016 we can come back and we can we can 01:00:07.040 --> 01:00:08.856 review what we're doing tonight but I 01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:11.095 think there's been a very thorough 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.119 process and there is no reason to 01:00:15.200 --> 01:00:18.200 delay 01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:21.640 councelor Jay would you like to close 01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:25.160 yes I will um with five meetings canled 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.335 this year I don't necessarily think 01:00:29.359 --> 01:00:30.856 problems with the community and the 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.256 public speaking times. I would have 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.335 personally and professionally liked a 01:00:35.359 --> 01:00:37.256 few more months to get it right and that 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.416 would have been best practice in my 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.216 opinion. It's very clear after my fellow 01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:43.896 counselors have shared their views that 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.920 that is not their opinion. So, I'm happy 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:50.280 um um to have had my say and put this to 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.616 the vote and 01:00:52.640 --> 01:00:55.095 see you all here when the model 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:56.856 governance rules come in. and I'm 01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.880 curious to know where we'll end up then. 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.295 So, thank you. 01:01:02.319 --> 01:01:03.736 All right, councilors, let's put that to 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.696 the vote. All those in we'll do it under 01:01:06.720 --> 01:01:08.535 division. So, councilors, this is in 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.216 support of the altre wreck, which is the 01:01:10.240 --> 01:01:13.240 bit to defer. All those in favor 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.216 and all the all those in favor. So, 01:01:18.240 --> 01:01:20.055 um in favor is councelor Hardy, 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:21.575 councelor Jay, councelor Tomman, and 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:23.736 councelor M. All those against councelor 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.496 Buckingham, councelor Consolo, council 01:01:25.520 --> 01:01:26.936 Holidayiday, councelor Crawford and 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.496 councelor Makin. So that is defeated. 01:01:29.520 --> 01:01:31.896 That mot is defeated or motion is 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.896 defeated. I did foreshadow that should 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:36.456 that um fail, I will bring the officer's 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.936 recommendation. So could we please get 01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:41.960 that on the screen? 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.400 Do I have to if I said I would bring it? 01:01:48.799 --> 01:01:50.295 You can second it. Is that all right? 01:01:50.319 --> 01:01:50.616 Yep. 01:01:50.640 --> 01:01:51.976 Because I think I already said that out, 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:53.496 but Yep. 01:01:53.520 --> 01:01:54.856 And then I know you'll come to once 01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:56.456 we've moved and seconded it. Yeah. 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.295 So 01:01:58.319 --> 01:02:00.535 I've Can I just 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.616 So is there Have you got a clarifying 01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:03.815 question, Councelor Tamman? 01:02:03.839 --> 01:02:05.575 No, I I was, you know, talking before 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:06.936 about making a couple of changes or is 01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:07.335 that 01:02:07.359 --> 01:02:08.456 Well, once we've moved and seconded, 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:10.376 there is room to do amendments if you'd 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:11.736 like to bring that. I think councelor 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.216 Holidayiday's in before you. 01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:15.416 I have my advising. 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.440 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, let's um move this 01:02:18.799 --> 01:02:21.799 first and I will speak to it. Um 01:02:21.839 --> 01:02:23.095 councilors, we've we've kind of done a 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:24.376 lot of the talking. All right. I just 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.400 think let's trial them. Let's let's 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.335 put these things into action and and see 01:02:29.359 --> 01:02:31.016 if they work. And as we said, there's 01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:33.736 plenty of opportunity to come back and 01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:35.416 revisit them should they not be 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.416 appropriate to the nuance of our 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.055 community. Um but I I I'm very clear 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:42.055 that this is very good governance. 01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:44.055 There's been so much work going go into 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.079 it. I was I was um Frank, you led the 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:50.760 charge. 74 con people surveyed 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:52.616 responded to it as opposed to four. We 01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:53.896 have definitely heard from our community 01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:55.575 on this one. It's time to just get on 01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:57.575 with it so we can um have a more 01:02:57.599 --> 01:02:59.335 effective meeting and look after each 01:02:59.359 --> 01:03:01.496 other and our our our health and 01:03:01.520 --> 01:03:03.976 occupational safety um as a group. So 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.136 councilors, I I urge you to um support 01:03:06.160 --> 01:03:07.976 this motion. Councelor Min, 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.216 thank you. Our community has asked for 01:03:10.240 --> 01:03:13.240 counselors to speak less. The proposed 01:03:13.520 --> 01:03:15.736 governance rules impose time limits on 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.696 counselors just like most other councils 01:03:18.720 --> 01:03:21.416 across the state. Our community has 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:23.656 asked for more and deeper engagement. 01:03:23.680 --> 01:03:25.416 The proposed governance rules provide 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:27.896 that through deputations. These are 01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.920 governance rules that respect our 01:03:31.359 --> 01:03:33.736 community, engage our community, and 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:36.760 harness our community. benchmark us 01:03:36.799 --> 01:03:38.936 against best practice across the sector 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:41.960 and enable us to conduct council 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.015 business within this chamber involving 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.039 the community. I thank the community was 01:03:48.319 --> 01:03:50.856 posited at one stage that we'd get 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.015 only four public comments against our 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:54.856 governance rules. That has certainly 01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.575 been succeeded and exceeded and that 01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.599 shows just how engaged our community is. 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.095 Let's focus on the positives. deeper, 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:04.535 more meaningful engagement through 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:07.256 deputations. More succinct debate 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:09.575 through enhanced governance rules and 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.496 speaking limits for counselors. There 01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:12.856 are a lot of positives in these 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.416 governance rules. Governance rules are 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.815 evolving and they should evolve with the 01:04:17.839 --> 01:04:19.815 composition of councils and our 01:04:19.839 --> 01:04:21.335 communities. 01:04:21.359 --> 01:04:24.359 It is about ensuring we have rules that 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:28.039 are in place for councils, not just for 01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:30.775 the reasonable nine counselors here 01:04:30.799 --> 01:04:33.095 along this chamber, but also should in 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.496 the future there ever be unreasonable 01:04:35.520 --> 01:04:37.256 conduct in the chamber. These rules 01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:39.976 safeguard us for the future and the 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.000 present. I commend the motion. 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.176 Council Holiday. 01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:48.200 Thank you, Mayor. May I please move an 01:04:48.319 --> 01:04:51.095 amendment to this substantive? Yes. Now, 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:52.856 can we get that amendment up on the 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.575 screen, please? 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:57.256 Could you read that out for the people 01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:58.216 at home? 01:04:58.240 --> 01:05:01.240 Yep., amend section 23 of the 01:05:01.839 --> 01:05:03.335 governance rules to include the 01:05:03.359 --> 01:05:05.656 following provision where a notice of 01:05:05.680 --> 01:05:08.680 motion seeks to do point here 01:05:09.359 --> 01:05:10.936 substantially affect the level of 01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:13.736 council services. Second dot point, 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.736 commit council to expenditure in excess 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.216 of 80k that has not been included in an 01:05:18.240 --> 01:05:21.176 adopted budget. New dot point. Commit 01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:23.256 council to any contractual arrangement 01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.216 or final dot point take any action that 01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:29.176 would that the chief executive 01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:31.335 executive officer determines in their 01:05:31.359 --> 01:05:33.575 sole discretion would unreasonably 01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.376 divert officer resources. The notice of 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:38.616 motion must only call for an officer 01:05:38.640 --> 01:05:41.335 report to be prepared and be presented 01:05:41.359 --> 01:05:43.496 to council. If the notice of motion is 01:05:43.520 --> 01:05:45.256 carried, the officer report will be 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.095 presented at the next scheduled council 01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.496 meeting where practicable. 01:05:49.520 --> 01:05:52.376 Do I have a second for the amendment? 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.696 Um, can I call a point of order? 01:05:54.720 --> 01:05:56.295 , hang on to I'm just getting a 01:05:56.319 --> 01:05:58.936 second. So, councelor Consol to second. 01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:00.775 , what's the point of order, Councelor 01:06:00.799 --> 01:06:01.736 Jay? 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.760 Um, according to 5.1, it says section 60 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:07.256 of the local government act requires any 01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.176 changes to the governance rules to go 01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:11.815 through a community engagement process 01:06:11.839 --> 01:06:14.839 prior to being endorsed. Have these um 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:17.736 um additions gone through the community 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:20.295 consultation process? 01:06:20.319 --> 01:06:22.295 I'm going to go to James Gullan to 01:06:22.319 --> 01:06:24.055 respond. 01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:26.055 thank you councelor Jay and through 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:28.456 you may um this is quite an interesting 01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.535 juncture in the local government act 01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:32.936 where we haven't formally endorsed the 01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:35.095 governance rules at this point in time. 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:37.575 The intention of that um act is if we 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:39.496 were to endorse and then seek to further 01:06:39.520 --> 01:06:42.216 amend at a later date, we would need to 01:06:42.240 --> 01:06:45.240 go back to community consultation. Um to 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.575 check with this, we saw independent advi 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:49.575 technical advice in this space who 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:51.976 confirmed that given that the proposed 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:54.696 amendments were not significant or 01:06:54.720 --> 01:06:56.775 material in nature that we wouldn't need 01:06:56.799 --> 01:06:58.616 to actually go back out to community 01:06:58.640 --> 01:07:00.136 consultation 01:07:00.160 --> 01:07:02.775 um under the legis legislation that it 01:07:02.799 --> 01:07:03.976 would be permissible to make these 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:05.335 amendments and the governance rules to 01:07:05.359 --> 01:07:07.095 be endorsed. 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:08.616 Okay. So, councelor Holidayiday, would 01:07:08.640 --> 01:07:10.775 you like to speak to the amendment? Um, 01:07:10.799 --> 01:07:12.216 thank you, Mayor. Thank you, um, for 01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:13.976 that clarification. And thank you,, 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.000 Betty, for the, um, you know, the 01:07:17.680 --> 01:07:19.256 double-checking here that we're doing 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:21.896 the right thing. And doing the right 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:24.920 thing is the basis of this amendment, 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:27.656 that we have in front of us. This was 01:07:27.680 --> 01:07:30.616 included in the original um, draft 01:07:30.640 --> 01:07:32.216 governance rules that were proposed to 01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:35.015 go out for community consultation. um it 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.656 was removed due to concerns that it was 01:07:37.680 --> 01:07:40.680 unfairly impacting council law's 01:07:40.720 --> 01:07:43.720 ability to fund urgent projects in a 01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:47.720 timely fashion. Um but in that in the 01:07:48.319 --> 01:07:49.656 removal of this from the governance 01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:52.680 rules myself and hopefully my fellow 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.960 councilors felt that we threw the the 01:07:56.240 --> 01:07:58.376 baby of some good governance out with 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.400 the bathwater of the flexibility. Um, as 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.176 my fellow councelor Brian M said, 01:08:05.200 --> 01:08:07.736 there are lots of councils that have 01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.760 fallen a foul of governance rules and of 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.280 their their duties. And we 01:08:16.080 --> 01:08:19.080 avoid that by staying at the forefront 01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:22.056 of good governance rather than holding 01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:24.936 ourselves back. These recommendations 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:27.960 here clearly delineate the ability and 01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:31.016 the powers of us as council laws with 01:08:31.040 --> 01:08:34.040 those of the CEO as the person 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.695 responsible for running the actual 01:08:36.719 --> 01:08:39.719 organization itself. Um and these rules 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.096 represent good governance based on 01:08:45.120 --> 01:08:47.576 the learnings from other councils that 01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.600 have fallen a foul of these sorts of um 01:08:50.799 --> 01:08:52.695 you know 01:08:52.719 --> 01:08:54.936 vagaries between whose responsibility is 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.960 whose. So I um implore my fellow 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.416 councilors to reinstate these so that we 01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:04.440 can remain on the forefront of um good 01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:06.616 governance while also giving ourselves 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.335 the ability to respond to urgent funding 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:11.335 requests that we may get from the 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:13.655 community from time to time. 01:09:13.679 --> 01:09:15.735 Councelor Consol, 01:09:15.759 --> 01:09:17.016 thank you for bringing this. I think 01:09:17.040 --> 01:09:18.695 it's a good compromise that there is 01:09:18.719 --> 01:09:20.936 some money there that a notice motion 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:23.655 could go ahead and you know $80,000 is a 01:09:23.679 --> 01:09:25.655 lot of money. So if there's some good 01:09:25.679 --> 01:09:27.655 idea, we still have some ability to do 01:09:27.679 --> 01:09:30.536 something. But the idea that a report 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:31.815 would come back to the next council 01:09:31.839 --> 01:09:33.496 meeting, that's 2 weeks. So that's 01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:35.896 really not a long pause in most 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:38.056 situations to get more information and 01:09:38.080 --> 01:09:39.896 then make a decision. It doesn't mean 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:41.735 it's not going to happen. It just slows 01:09:41.759 --> 01:09:44.295 it down. We need to be very disciplined 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.616 as counselors. We have budget, annual 01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:48.856 budget cycles. We have quarterly budget 01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:50.135 reviews. these are the times that we 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:51.496 should be making more of our financial 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:54.056 decisions in the bigger picture versus 01:09:54.080 --> 01:09:56.536 ad hoc. And so this sort of just slows 01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:58.616 us down to try to do our better 01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.576 governance of thinking through the 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.816 financial implications of decisions that 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.840 we bring to the chambers. Thank you. 01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:09.256 Is there any other council would wish to 01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:11.096 speak to the amendments? Council 01:10:11.120 --> 01:10:14.120 wish to speak for this amendment. It is 01:10:14.400 --> 01:10:15.896 good governance as we've heard is 01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.456 paramount. This reinforces and 01:10:18.480 --> 01:10:20.135 reestablishes a commitment to good 01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:22.536 governance. It is consistent with the 01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:25.560 direction that IBBACK is taking. And to 01:10:26.080 --> 01:10:27.736 be at the forefront of good governance, 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.336 we certainly should listen to our 01:10:29.360 --> 01:10:32.360 integrity bodies. I commend councelor 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:34.215 Holidayiday in putting forward this 01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:35.896 amendment. Councelor Consol for 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:37.576 seconding this amendment. This 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:39.816 reinforces good governance and what we 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:42.536 need for the future of this council. 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:44.056 Councelor, was it Tamman? You had your 01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:47.080 hand up. Yes, I'll be talking speaking 01:10:47.360 --> 01:10:50.360 against it. Um, the noise of motion is 01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:51.896 just something that a councilors can put 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:54.920 up. you know I'd like to remind 01:10:55.120 --> 01:10:58.056 people that the Australia Post sign 01:10:58.080 --> 01:11:01.080 was was site was bought through a 01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:03.736 notice of motion for can't remember how 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:05.336 many point of 01:11:05.360 --> 01:11:07.736 many many of dollars I I I don't believe 01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:10.760 that the that the purchase of the of 01:11:13.120 --> 01:11:15.896 the Australia Post site was was 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:17.736 purchased through a notice of motion on 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.760 one council night for $38 million. so 01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.135 that yes I'm just going to I'm just 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:26.536 matter of fact because I was here so 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:29.175 could you refrain from 01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:30.776 but the thing is at the end of the day 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:33.256 notice of motion comes to council and 01:11:33.280 --> 01:11:35.336 the council will decide if to go ahead 01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:37.976 or not to go ahead. So the notice of 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:40.056 motion is one way for counselors to 01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:43.080 bring a topic to council, something that 01:11:43.679 --> 01:11:45.256 is urgent, something that's maybe 01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:47.736 forgotten, something that's important 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.616 to a counselor, um maybe a council is 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:53.336 frustrated because it hasn't been 01:11:53.360 --> 01:11:55.256 resolved. So the notice of motion is a 01:11:55.280 --> 01:11:57.576 way for a council to bring something to 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.135 chamber and then to put it in front of 01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:03.096 all nine counselors. And I believe this 01:12:03.120 --> 01:12:05.336 this mechanism you know there's nothing 01:12:05.360 --> 01:12:07.416 by not actually having rules for notice 01:12:07.440 --> 01:12:08.536 of motion doesn't mean that it's good 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:10.215 governance and stuff for me it actually 01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:11.655 it's very good governance that a 01:12:11.679 --> 01:12:14.056 councils can put a notice of motion that 01:12:14.080 --> 01:12:16.376 obviously within the rules of council 01:12:16.400 --> 01:12:19.096 and then it presents and explains and 01:12:19.120 --> 01:12:21.336 gets the other council to vote for it or 01:12:21.360 --> 01:12:23.816 vote against it. So I think you know for 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.616 me I I don't think this is necessary. Um 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.096 I've lived for 8 years without those 01:12:29.120 --> 01:12:32.120 rules. and I said we all are, you 01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.496 know, we all serious people. We're not 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:36.856 going to have a notice of motion just 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:39.175 for the for the sake of it. I think it's 01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:42.135 um it's something that can be 01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:43.816 important to each of us and it's the 01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:45.896 only really the only thing that a 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.695 councelor has got to do something in 01:12:48.719 --> 01:12:51.096 chamber apart from asking a question. So 01:12:51.120 --> 01:12:52.936 I believe that it's something that 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:55.960 should not be taken away from us. 01:12:56.320 --> 01:12:58.536 , councelor Jay, did you want to speak 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.056 to the amendment or against the 01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:02.456 amendment? 01:13:02.480 --> 01:13:05.480 Um, I do, Mayor. Thank you. Um, 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.736 I am disappointed that this 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:11.416 apparently does meet the local 01:13:11.440 --> 01:13:14.440 government act. Um, these are quite 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.016 substantial asks. I would have thought 01:13:17.040 --> 01:13:18.776 that they would have required community 01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:20.376 engagement. 01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:23.400 What these asks do is um get elected 01:13:25.679 --> 01:13:28.679 officials 01:13:30.080 --> 01:13:33.080 ties our hands really. It reduces us to 01:13:34.080 --> 01:13:36.695 rep writing reports or requesting 01:13:36.719 --> 01:13:39.416 reports. More admin, more red tape. And 01:13:39.440 --> 01:13:41.976 in my opinion, this gives more power to 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.215 the CEO and the administration to make 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:45.896 decisions that really should be up to 01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.920 elected officials that do control 01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.016 technically and and and direct 01:13:51.040 --> 01:13:54.040 technically the council. Um I will not 01:13:54.080 --> 01:13:56.856 support this. I think it's um pretend 01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.576 transparency and I wholeheartedly reject 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:01.816 this. 01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:03.175 Would any other council like to speak to 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:04.536 the amendment or can we take it to the 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.616 vote? Council me. 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:09.640 through your Mayor. I I probably bit 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:11.896 of a question not understanding exactly 01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:14.920 the process but 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:18.456 essentially what I'm looking at here I 01:14:18.480 --> 01:14:21.416 I'm I'm reasonably okay with the there's 01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:23.416 one dot point there that I'm not okay 01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:24.936 with 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:27.960 and I think I would support 01:14:28.080 --> 01:14:31.080 your amendment 01:14:31.360 --> 01:14:33.655 councelor Holidayiday if that point 01:14:33.679 --> 01:14:35.976 wasn't there. So I I don't know whether 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.936 that is something that can be 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.960 point four 01:14:42.080 --> 01:14:43.896 which do well I'm going to ask 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:45.576 take sorry the fourth 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.215 take any action that the chief executive 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:48.856 officer 01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:49.976 proposing amendment 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:51.175 okay so um 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:52.215 thanks 01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:53.736 I'm just going to ask the request is 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:55.655 that of any interest to you councelor 01:14:55.679 --> 01:14:57.175 Holidayiday 01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:58.456 or I think I think we've already moved 01:14:58.480 --> 01:15:01.016 it it's too far now yeah everyone's 01:15:01.040 --> 01:15:02.376 confused I'm sorry I don't think we can 01:15:02.400 --> 01:15:04.296 at this point council me I could 01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:05.976 consider voting in in separate parts, 01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:07.816 but 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:10.840 I think we're past that point. 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.376 We could vote for it in parts. 01:15:14.400 --> 01:15:17.016 Is that my decision or would I go to 01:15:17.040 --> 01:15:18.296 Let me think about it whether I want to 01:15:18.320 --> 01:15:19.736 vote it in parts whether it's 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:22.135 appropriate. So, thank you councel me. 01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:25.159 Um 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.000 just 01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:35.896 to bring back to council. 01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:38.376 Okay. Um, so council me, I'm just going 01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:39.655 to clarify because I don't I think there 01:15:39.679 --> 01:15:41.736 might be mis CEO's concerned that there 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.416 might be misunderstanding of that point. 01:15:43.440 --> 01:15:45.416 It's not that the CEO can veto anything. 01:15:45.440 --> 01:15:46.536 It's just they would still have to bring 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.016 a report back, but they they need to 01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:50.856 bring a report back to say that if we do 01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.016 this, we have to stop doing that. Do you 01:15:53.040 --> 01:15:53.736 want to clarify? 01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.896 Yes. Through you, Mayor, just for for 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:58.296 clarity, this isn't a this hasn't been 01:15:58.320 --> 01:16:00.616 developed by the CEO. 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:03.640 Um so um but my understanding of the 01:16:05.040 --> 01:16:07.336 intent here like a couple of these 01:16:07.360 --> 01:16:09.736 points are already inherent in the local 01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:12.695 government act anyway but just by by 01:16:12.719 --> 01:16:13.976 having it crystal clear for people I 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.376 think that would be helpful but in terms 01:16:16.400 --> 01:16:19.016 of the what I understand of the action 01:16:19.040 --> 01:16:20.616 here regarding the chief executive 01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:23.640 officer it would be um rather than the 01:16:24.480 --> 01:16:26.215 council that night being able to make a 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:28.695 decision if I if I felt that there was 01:16:28.719 --> 01:16:30.456 unreasonably diversion of officer 01:16:30.480 --> 01:16:33.256 resources. It would be incumbent on me 01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:35.496 to bring back a report to council to 01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:37.256 consider 01:16:37.280 --> 01:16:39.016 where practable within the next council 01:16:39.040 --> 01:16:40.695 meeting. The council would still make 01:16:40.719 --> 01:16:43.175 its decision probably in two weeks time 01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.416 rather than that meeting based on any 01:16:45.440 --> 01:16:48.440 advice I provided. Um so it's not it's 01:16:49.040 --> 01:16:51.816 not me saying no because of the issue 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.536 can't bring a notice of motion. saying 01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:55.976 you might not be able to consider that 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.056 notice of motion on the night, but it's 01:16:58.080 --> 01:16:59.576 incumbent on me to bring back a report 01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:01.576 to council to consider that within a 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.296 very short period of time afterwards. 01:17:04.320 --> 01:17:05.816 Um, can I, while we're having a break, 01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:06.536 I'm just going to ask one more 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.536 clarifying question. This would likely 01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:11.336 be in the model code of conduct that the 01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:13.655 state government would bring back given 01:17:13.679 --> 01:17:15.655 that it's recommended by IBBACK. Is that 01:17:15.679 --> 01:17:18.679 correct, James? 01:17:19.280 --> 01:17:21.336 I might need to take that on notice. 01:17:21.360 --> 01:17:24.296 Apologies. the intent generally would be 01:17:24.320 --> 01:17:26.616 through you through you may one of the 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:29.096 operation sand and reports one of the 01:17:29.120 --> 01:17:32.120 findings there was around concerns over 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:33.736 the use of notice of motions I don't 01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:35.576 think this council has had a as as I'm 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.576 aware had had a history of some of the 01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:40.215 problems that have been discussed but um 01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:42.056 to circumvent 01:17:42.080 --> 01:17:45.016 normal political decision-m processes 01:17:45.040 --> 01:17:46.776 including the important role that offers 01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.256 play officers play in providing 01:17:49.280 --> 01:17:51.175 impartial advice when counselors make 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:52.376 decisions 01:17:52.400 --> 01:17:54.776 Um, so I imagine that they would be 01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:56.135 considering whether they need to bring 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.616 in some further guidance around this. I 01:17:58.640 --> 01:17:59.576 don't know where they're at with that, 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:01.736 but it was certainly something that um 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:03.736 was recommended or identified as part of 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.760 the the Sandon report. 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:08.936 Sorry, can I just add to that and 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:10.776 through you may where we did take and 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.800 the reference for for this um this 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:16.296 provision came from a monitor's report 01:18:16.320 --> 01:18:17.816 to the local government inspectorate 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.840 around best practice. um that was the 01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:22.376 monitors appointed to the city of 01:18:22.400 --> 01:18:24.536 Jalong. if you look at that report, 01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:26.536 one of their recommendations um is 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.560 consistent with this recommendation. 01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:33.080 Okay. I think 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:35.256 so. What was Hang on. What was that? 01:18:35.280 --> 01:18:37.576 Council Holiday, 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:38.936 I was just saying. I thought Brian had a 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:40.616 follow-up that you wanted to ask. 01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:42.695 Is this is it is it making a comment or 01:18:42.719 --> 01:18:45.719 is it a clarity question, Council M? 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:47.256 Because it might just be time to talk to 01:18:47.280 --> 01:18:50.280 it. is or if it's a clarifying question. 01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:55.159 yeah, I look I I thank the CEO for 01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.199 his comments and the the not a 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.736 reflection on our CEO and I appreciate 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:03.736 that he wasn't part of the formulation 01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.616 of of this. Um 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.576 my concern is what the future state may 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.600 be and someone else in the future. I'm 01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:16.360 I'm looking looking to that and this is 01:19:16.480 --> 01:19:18.215 a concern for me and I'm just 01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:21.239 wondering whether um it may be that we 01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:24.920 can take the four points apart and 01:19:25.360 --> 01:19:28.360 vote on each. 01:19:29.360 --> 01:19:30.695 I'll take that under consideration as 01:19:30.719 --> 01:19:33.016 the debate goes on. Okay. So any other 01:19:33.040 --> 01:19:34.456 councelor wish to speak to the 01:19:34.480 --> 01:19:36.856 amendment? Councelor Hardy. 01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:38.776 I wish to speak against the amendment 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:40.776 further and further and further as 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:42.776 elected voices of our community. We're 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.576 being restricted in what we say and what 01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:48.215 we do. We are elected by the community 01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:50.376 and we are to present the community's 01:19:50.400 --> 01:19:53.400 concerns to this table and this forum. I 01:19:54.080 --> 01:19:56.456 don't agree with any further restriction 01:19:56.480 --> 01:19:58.376 that the state government has put on put 01:19:58.400 --> 01:20:00.456 on us through the local government act. 01:20:00.480 --> 01:20:03.480 Thank you. 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.520 Okay. that's Anyone else wish to 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:09.096 speak to it or go back to you council 01:20:09.120 --> 01:20:12.120 Holiday to close on this amendment? 01:20:16.719 --> 01:20:19.416 Um thank you all for your for your input 01:20:19.440 --> 01:20:22.440 on this. I don't see this as placing 01:20:24.080 --> 01:20:27.080 restrictions on us. I see this as 01:20:27.679 --> 01:20:29.175 reinforcing 01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:32.199 the differing roles and responsibilities 01:20:32.400 --> 01:20:34.695 that we have on this side of the of the 01:20:34.719 --> 01:20:37.719 room and that the officers and the CEO 01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:41.016 have on their side of the room. And this 01:20:41.040 --> 01:20:43.096 merely makes clear what those 01:20:43.120 --> 01:20:46.120 expectations are and hopefully um puts 01:20:46.320 --> 01:20:49.175 some guard rails for us as a council and 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:52.199 for future councils um to avoid the 01:20:53.040 --> 01:20:56.040 the need for monitors to be um to be 01:20:57.440 --> 01:21:00.440 appointed. If we start playing 01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:03.816 outside of our actual responsibilities 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.840 as elected officials here by intruding 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:10.056 into the operational aspects of the 01:21:10.080 --> 01:21:12.695 organization which is not our domain and 01:21:12.719 --> 01:21:15.719 not our space to direct the um the work 01:21:17.040 --> 01:21:20.040 and you know priorities of the of the 01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:24.120 officers in a day-to-day way as um as 01:21:24.400 --> 01:21:26.536 indicated here through these four dot 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:29.560 points. Um so I um encourage you to vote 01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:33.400 for this to um again reinforce good 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:38.199 governance in our governance rules 01:21:38.719 --> 01:21:41.175 if we may vote under division. 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:43.096 Yes. But I'm not going to vote I'm just 01:21:43.120 --> 01:21:44.215 going to vote I'm going to take that 01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:46.135 fourth point separately and 01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:47.976 everything else will vote in one one bit 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.776 just cuz I think there's seems to be 01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:52.296 general agreement on the not general 01:21:52.320 --> 01:21:53.576 agreement but enough agreement on the 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:55.496 others. So councilors, what we are 01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:57.896 voting for is the amendment to section 01:21:57.920 --> 01:21:59.976 23 which includes all the dot points 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:01.896 down to commits councils to contractual 01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:03.576 arrangements. So this is that's part 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.056 one. Thank you James. So all those in 01:22:06.080 --> 01:22:08.615 favor councelor Buckingham, councelor 01:22:08.639 --> 01:22:10.296 Consolo, councelor Holidayiday, 01:22:10.320 --> 01:22:12.376 councelor Crawford and councelor Makin. 01:22:12.400 --> 01:22:14.296 All those against councelor Hardy, 01:22:14.320 --> 01:22:15.976 councelor Jay, councelor Tomat and 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.695 councelor Mes that is carried that 01:22:18.719 --> 01:22:21.719 section. So we're going to go to 01:22:26.639 --> 01:22:29.639 Yep. 01:22:31.040 --> 01:22:32.615 And then just to be clear, I'll talk you 01:22:32.639 --> 01:22:34.296 through then the second part is the 01:22:34.320 --> 01:22:37.096 fourth point that that the chief 01:22:37.120 --> 01:22:40.120 executive offered officer 01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:43.239 Yes, we've done the division. 01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:45.256 Yeah, we can just redo it so I can 01:22:45.280 --> 01:22:47.016 repeat it. So it's councelor Buckingham 01:22:47.040 --> 01:22:48.456 for councelor Buckingham councelor 01:22:48.480 --> 01:22:49.976 Consolo councelor Holidayiday councelor 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.695 Crawford and councelor Min and against 01:22:52.719 --> 01:22:54.456 councelor Min thank you against is 01:22:54.480 --> 01:22:56.376 councelor Hardy councelor Jay councelor 01:22:56.400 --> 01:22:59.096 Tomman and councelor Miz 01:22:59.120 --> 01:23:01.655 so that part has carried 01:23:01.679 --> 01:23:04.679 and then we're doing part two 01:23:05.360 --> 01:23:07.896 which is the dot point about the 01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:09.736 chief executive officer so all those in 01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:12.536 favor so councelor Buckingham councelor 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.215 Consolo councelor Holidayiday councelor 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:15.816 Crawford and councelor Min 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.896 and all those against councelor Hardy, 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:19.336 councelor Jay, councelor Tomman and 01:23:19.360 --> 01:23:21.016 councelor M. So that has carried. So 01:23:21.040 --> 01:23:23.816 that amendment now forms the substantive 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.135 and to be incredibly boring. Can we do 01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:28.215 that under division please? I did not 01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:29.496 I did that under division. 01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:31.256 T-shirt for no reason. 01:23:31.280 --> 01:23:33.976 But I did it under division. 01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:35.655 Maybe the governance isn't ready. 01:23:35.679 --> 01:23:37.016 Governance. We'll do it one more for you 01:23:37.040 --> 01:23:38.376 and one more for Justin wearing the 01:23:38.400 --> 01:23:41.096 t-shirt. Justin is it is on view. Okay. 01:23:41.120 --> 01:23:43.496 All those in favor of part two is 01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:45.336 councelor Buckingham. Councelor Consol, 01:23:45.360 --> 01:23:46.215 Councelor Holidayiday, Councelor 01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:47.896 Crawford, Councelor Makin, all those 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:49.896 against, Council Tamman, Councelor M, 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:52.916 Councelor Hardy, and Councelor Jay. 01:23:52.940 --> 01:23:54.296 [Music] 01:23:54.320 --> 01:23:55.655 Okay, 01:23:55.679 --> 01:23:57.416 so councilors, um we still have quite a 01:23:57.440 --> 01:23:59.336 long way to go on the night. So, let's 01:23:59.360 --> 01:24:02.360 keep focused. Um we now have that is 01:24:03.120 --> 01:24:06.120 forms the substantive part to the 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:08.615 motion which we haven't voted on in 01:24:08.639 --> 01:24:11.639 whole. Now, I've lost track of who's 01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:14.456 spoken to the substantive. Yeah, 01:24:14.480 --> 01:24:17.256 only us two. Okay. So, now that that is 01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:18.776 substantive, 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:20.376 um did you want to move an amendment, 01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:22.135 councelor Thomann? 01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:25.159 Yes, I would like you know um I agree 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:28.215 with with council hardy saying before 01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:30.056 that council shouldn't be limited in 01:24:30.080 --> 01:24:31.496 what they've got to say, but obviously 01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:34.520 that's not going to happen in this 01:24:34.719 --> 01:24:36.856 chamber. So, I'm happy to compromise and 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:39.880 that councilors can speak to five 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:42.695 minutes instead of four. not that 01:24:42.719 --> 01:24:44.936 we're going to use this time but if a 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:47.736 counselor has got something to say and 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:50.456 needs 5 minutes to say what he's got to 01:24:50.480 --> 01:24:53.256 say I think um five minutes you know I 01:24:53.280 --> 01:24:55.416 say at the end we are representing the 01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:57.576 community we are representing a ward we 01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.816 representing a city and I think it's 01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:02.776 important that we are not restricted 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.800 um as much and the other thing and 01:25:06.080 --> 01:25:08.135 there's just I'm just getting my papers 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:09.496 my computer just restarted I need a 01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:10.856 second before you continue council 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:13.736 demand who seconding it council me. 01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:15.336 Okay, continue council tuan. 01:25:15.360 --> 01:25:17.256 And then the other little amendment that 01:25:17.280 --> 01:25:20.280 I would like to make is item 54.2 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:23.256 which is I forgot to raise that 01:25:23.280 --> 01:25:25.096 before but it says that council's 01:25:25.120 --> 01:25:27.576 question time have to be submitted by 01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:30.600 12:00. So um I'm suggesting that that is 01:25:32.480 --> 01:25:35.480 1:00 p.m. or 2 p.m. because a question 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:39.496 could come out of council only time. 01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:41.736 and obviously we finish at 1:00 so I 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:44.760 think it is potentially fair that we're 01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:47.880 giving another hour or two to lodge 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:50.215 council's question time. 01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:52.056 I don't think it refers to us. It's only 01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:53.336 for the public. Could I clarify? 01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:55.256 No, no, it is for counselors as well. It 01:25:55.280 --> 01:25:57.416 says that councils have to submit their 01:25:57.440 --> 01:26:00.440 question by 12:00 in item 54.2. 01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:03.496 So 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:05.816 it's encouraged, not mandatory. Well, 01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:07.496 you know, in that case, you know, can we 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:10.520 chant the time to 2 p.m.? 01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:13.816 Well, that's your amendment. Okay. So, 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:15.416 are you still councelor M, are you still 01:26:15.440 --> 01:26:17.736 happy to second both of those parts? 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:19.976 Okay. Um, you were kind of talking to 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.976 it. Have you finished? Would you like to 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:23.816 speak further to it? Councelor Tan get 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:26.296 noting we are at 8:00 councilors on our 01:26:26.320 --> 01:26:28.615 second item tonight. 01:26:28.639 --> 01:26:31.639 Councelor Tman 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:34.776 I sort of explained why I think it's 01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:36.215 important that we've got a bit more 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.215 time. I agree. You know I say we 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:41.239 shouldn't be limited. We should be adult 01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:43.976 enough in the room to actually say 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.215 and limit our speeches. you know 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:48.135 there's no point just to talk for 01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:51.159 talking. but um um we should be we 01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:54.056 shouldn't be limited in what we've got 01:26:54.080 --> 01:26:57.080 the time we are given to speak. and I 01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:59.736 think um obviously this is not something 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:01.896 that's supported. So I believe that 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:03.655 having another minute is something that 01:27:03.679 --> 01:27:06.679 can be helpful just in case there's an 01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:10.056 item when a council needs more than a 01:27:10.080 --> 01:27:13.080 bit more time to actually explain why 01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:16.615 counselor should be voting a certain way 01:27:16.639 --> 01:27:19.576 and not a different way. So for me it's 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:21.896 you know it's important and that's 01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:23.896 why I'm raising it today. Okay. And in 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:26.056 terms of the second item, I've explained 01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:28.135 why I think, you know, even it's not 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.296 only suggested, I think it's would be 01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:32.135 good to change the time just in case 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:34.695 something comes out of the time we spend 01:27:34.719 --> 01:27:36.695 in the morning as council only time and 01:27:36.719 --> 01:27:38.056 if there's a question that comes out of 01:27:38.080 --> 01:27:39.896 that,, you know, it would be helpful 01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:42.920 to to have that extra couple of hours. 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:44.456 Okay. Councelor Mes, would you like to 01:27:44.480 --> 01:27:45.816 speak? 01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:48.840 Thank you, Mayor., just quickly, the 01:27:49.120 --> 01:27:52.120 five minute is I think a a good move. 01:27:52.480 --> 01:27:55.096 the five minutes for counselors. 01:27:55.120 --> 01:27:58.120 councilors have got um often have got 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.376 too much to say. They need to get to the 01:28:02.400 --> 01:28:04.536 point. This is a forcing strategy which 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:07.560 I support. Um 5 minutes is more than 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.456 adequate to say the important things. 01:28:10.480 --> 01:28:13.480 And we really need to enable our 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.760 residents to speak as well and have time 01:28:17.679 --> 01:28:20.679 for them to speak as well. And in 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.256 terms of that, what they say is 01:28:23.280 --> 01:28:25.096 certainly as important, if not more 01:28:25.120 --> 01:28:26.936 important than what we have to say. So I 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.960 support it. Thank you. 01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:31.976 Would anyone the council like to speak 01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:33.416 for or against the amendment or should 01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:36.440 we just take it to the vote? 01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:38.056 Anyone would like to speak? 01:28:38.080 --> 01:28:39.336 I'm happy to speak against. 01:28:39.360 --> 01:28:40.776 Okay. Council Megan, 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:42.456 as has already been discussed through 01:28:42.480 --> 01:28:44.936 the clarification, the second part of 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.736 this amendment is superolous given that 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:50.760 it is encouragement, not mandatory. 01:28:51.040 --> 01:28:52.776 We're talking about an extra minute 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:54.695 here, an extra minute there. I've just 01:28:54.719 --> 01:28:56.296 done a quick calculation that would 01:28:56.320 --> 01:28:58.615 actually add, if we utilized it, 90 01:28:58.639 --> 01:29:01.639 minutes to our council meetings. 01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:04.615 The public has rightfully said they want 01:29:04.639 --> 01:29:07.639 council, they want time elements onto 01:29:07.679 --> 01:29:09.336 counselors to ensure that we have 01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:10.936 succinct 01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:13.736 debate. While it may just seem to be an 01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:15.256 extra minute here, an extra minute 01:29:15.280 --> 01:29:17.336 there, that adds up to about 90 minutes 01:29:17.360 --> 01:29:19.336 on average. 01:29:19.360 --> 01:29:21.976 We talk about ensuring that we make 01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:25.000 sound, robust decisions. We talk about 01:29:25.040 --> 01:29:26.856 ensuring that we're able to have the 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.576 time to do that. We can't have that if 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.736 we enable an extra 90 minutes here, an 01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:34.215 extra 90 minutes there just to give us 01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:36.135 an extra minute to round off a 01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:38.056 conversation. If you can't say it in 4 01:29:38.080 --> 01:29:39.175 minutes, are you really going to be able 01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:41.016 to say it in 5 minutes? If you can't say 01:29:41.040 --> 01:29:42.695 it in 3 minutes, are you really going to 01:29:42.719 --> 01:29:44.936 be able to say it in 5 minutes? I do not 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:47.816 believe this amendment strengthens 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:50.215 the model the governance rules. I do not 01:29:50.239 --> 01:29:52.135 believe that this amendment is required. 01:29:52.159 --> 01:29:55.016 I'll therefore be voting against it. 01:29:55.040 --> 01:29:56.376 Any other council wish to speak to the 01:29:56.400 --> 01:29:58.615 amendment? Councelor Holidayiday. 01:29:58.639 --> 01:30:01.639 Um I also will be voting against 01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:04.936 this. Um I I a I don't think it's fair 01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:07.960 that we um impose time limits on our 01:30:09.360 --> 01:30:12.360 residents but then um give ourselves 01:30:13.440 --> 01:30:16.440 much longer to speak. Um 01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:19.416 and I think that you know none of us 01:30:19.440 --> 01:30:21.576 got here by hating the sound of our own 01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:24.135 voices. So I think that some discipline 01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:26.776 in this area is warranted. So I will not 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.800 be voting u for this. 01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:31.655 Any other council wish to speak for 01:30:31.679 --> 01:30:34.296 against the amendment? 01:30:34.320 --> 01:30:37.320 Councelor Jay. 01:30:40.320 --> 01:30:43.256 Sorry, just unmuting. Um I will support 01:30:43.280 --> 01:30:46.280 this surge. I think any um 01:30:47.440 --> 01:30:50.440 um any rights that we can get back I'm 01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:52.776 happy to take here. 01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:54.856 Um 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:57.736 that's all 01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:59.416 any other council wish to speak for or 01:30:59.440 --> 01:31:02.376 against? 01:31:02.400 --> 01:31:04.376 If not um councelor Tom would you like 01:31:04.400 --> 01:31:07.400 to close on this amendment? 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:10.215 The you know the five minutes is a 01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:11.816 oneoff or whatever. It's not something 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:13.175 that's going to happen every time. So I 01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:14.936 don't think you know at the moment it's 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:16.215 unlimited. So we can actually 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:19.239 potentially speak for 3 hours. Um but 01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:22.536 no you wouldn't. But the thing is you 01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:24.615 know so I think the 90 minutes extra 01:31:24.639 --> 01:31:27.016 time is is you know it's like it's 01:31:27.040 --> 01:31:29.256 nothing it's never going to happen. Um 01:31:29.280 --> 01:31:32.280 so but I believe that if 01:31:32.320 --> 01:31:34.936 one time a council needs a bit more time 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:36.376 I think it's important that we give 01:31:36.400 --> 01:31:39.400 ourselves the extra time we need. So 01:31:41.120 --> 01:31:44.120 I leave it to all of you to decide. 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.016 Okay let's put that amendment to the 01:31:47.040 --> 01:31:50.040 vote. All those in favor. 01:31:50.080 --> 01:31:53.016 all those against 01:31:53.040 --> 01:31:55.016 that amendment has failed and I know 01:31:55.040 --> 01:31:55.896 that you 01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:56.856 the vision please ma'am 01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:59.736 vision. Okay. All those in favor 01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:01.976 councelor Hardy councelor Thomann 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:05.000 councelor Mes all those against 01:32:05.040 --> 01:32:06.695 councelor Min councelor Crawford 01:32:06.719 --> 01:32:08.695 councelor Buckingham councel consolo 01:32:08.719 --> 01:32:11.719 councelor Holidayiday and abstains 01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.159 councelor Jay. So that 01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:18.056 Oh, you got to do it in time or not 01:32:18.080 --> 01:32:20.856 count it. 01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:23.816 Did she? Okay. I I didn't see it. So we 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:25.175 might have to do it again cuz I actually 01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:26.856 didn't see it. I looked to you when you 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:29.736 were all those in favor. I'm sorry guys. 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.336 Let's do it again. Councelor Tomman, 01:32:31.360 --> 01:32:33.175 councelor M. Councelor Hardy. Yeah. 01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:36.199 Councelor Jay and all those against. 01:32:36.639 --> 01:32:38.536 Councelor Buckingham, Councelor 01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:40.296 Holidayiday, Councelor Consol, Councelor 01:32:40.320 --> 01:32:41.655 Crawford, and Councelor M. So that 01:32:41.679 --> 01:32:44.679 amendment is defeated. Okay, 01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:47.016 I'm really hoping we're back to just the 01:32:47.040 --> 01:32:49.736 substantive motion. 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.296 Councilors, 01:32:52.320 --> 01:32:54.135 who would like to speak to substantive 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.159 motion 01:32:57.920 --> 01:32:59.576 is if there's no one, I'm happy to 01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:01.416 close. 01:33:01.440 --> 01:33:04.296 Have we said it all? 01:33:04.320 --> 01:33:07.320 Any I'm just offering it out. 01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:08.776 All right. Well, then I'll close before 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:10.056 we vote on the substantive. I thank you 01:33:10.080 --> 01:33:11.496 councilors for your considered thoughts 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:13.896 in this regard. Um I think everyone made 01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:16.296 valid points. I think we're going to try 01:33:16.320 --> 01:33:18.456 this hopefully if it gets up this set 01:33:18.480 --> 01:33:21.416 of this set of particular um rules and 01:33:21.440 --> 01:33:23.256 obviously there's opportunity to look to 01:33:23.280 --> 01:33:26.280 adjust in in the future. I'd be 01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:28.856 surprised if a lot of our rules didn't 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:30.135 align with what the state government 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:31.896 will put out um given the adjustments 01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:33.416 we've made tonight. So let's put that to 01:33:33.440 --> 01:33:35.496 the vote. So we're voting overall which 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:36.936 included one amendment getting up and 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:39.960 one not. So all those in favor 01:33:41.280 --> 01:33:44.280 all those against that is carried 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.800 division. All those in favor Crawford, 01:33:49.040 --> 01:33:50.456 councelor Halliday, councelor 01:33:50.480 --> 01:33:52.135 Buckingham, councelor Consolo and 01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:54.135 councelor Min. All those against 01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:55.816 councelor Thomann, councelor Mes, 01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:57.416 councelor Hardy and councelor Jay. So 01:33:57.440 --> 01:34:00.440 that is carried. 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:01.736 Now 01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:04.456 everything like what happens? 01:34:04.480 --> 01:34:05.016 Automatic. 01:34:05.040 --> 01:34:06.936 Automatic. 01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.096 So what we might do is take a break 01:34:09.120 --> 01:34:10.456 break because I need to understand how 01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:11.896 that will work. So let's take a 5m 01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:13.576 minute break and I'll see you back all 01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.600 in a moment. 01:34:17.679 --> 01:34:19.736 Thanks everyone. We're back at 13.2 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:21.416 which was the update to procurement 01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:23.496 policy. Councilors, do we have any 01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:25.016 questions for the officers in regards to 01:34:25.040 --> 01:34:28.040 this report and recommendation? 01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:33.016 If not, could I have a mover and a 01:34:33.040 --> 01:34:35.896 seconder? 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:37.175 Councilor Hardy to move. Councelor 01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:40.199 Holidayiday to second. Councelor Hardy. 01:34:41.120 --> 01:34:43.896 Wish to move the motion. 01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:45.576 Are we able to turn the microphones up 01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:47.256 just slightly for all of us? Just cuz my 01:34:47.280 --> 01:34:48.296 I'm having a little bit of heart. 01:34:48.320 --> 01:34:50.776 You want me to talk like councelor Min? 01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:53.800 Shout shout down the microphone. 01:34:54.080 --> 01:34:55.576 Thank you, councelor Hardy. No, just it 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:56.936 was just generally as well. Thank you, 01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:58.776 councelor. Um, 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.800 your voice. 01:35:03.280 --> 01:35:06.280 Yeah, council holiday. 01:35:07.600 --> 01:35:10.600 Any other council wish to speak? 01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:13.096 , let's put that to the vote. All 01:35:13.120 --> 01:35:15.496 those in favor? 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:18.520 So, that is carried unanimously. 01:35:19.040 --> 01:35:22.040 13.3, which is 01:35:22.639 --> 01:35:24.936 13.3 is the review of council's 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:26.615 delegations to the chief executive 01:35:26.639 --> 01:35:28.456 officer and delegated committee. Any 01:35:28.480 --> 01:35:30.296 questions for officers in regards to 01:35:30.320 --> 01:35:33.320 this report? 01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:39.976 No questions. Do I have a mover and a 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:41.976 seconder? 01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:44.056 Council Tan to move. Council Holiday 01:35:44.080 --> 01:35:47.080 second. Council Tamman. 01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:50.440 Um just happy to move it as well. 01:35:51.280 --> 01:35:52.056 Council Holiday 01:35:52.080 --> 01:35:53.496 and happy to second it. 01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:56.520 Okay. Anyone else wish to speak? 01:35:57.199 --> 01:35:58.856 Let's put that to the vote. All those in 01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:00.376 favor, 01:36:00.400 --> 01:36:03.400 that is carried unanimously. 01:36:05.440 --> 01:36:07.896 Item 13.4, which is the appointment of 01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:09.576 authorized officer pursuant to the 01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:12.536 Planning and Environment Act 1987. 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:14.135 Councilors, again, do we have any 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:15.896 questions for the officers in regards to 01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:18.920 this recommendation? 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:21.336 And if not, could I have a mover and a 01:36:21.360 --> 01:36:23.416 second, please? Councelor Consolo to 01:36:23.440 --> 01:36:25.175 move. Councelor Tomander second. 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:28.199 Councelor Consolo. 01:36:28.639 --> 01:36:30.776 we we appreciate our planners and 01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:33.336 it's good we're getting some more. 01:36:33.360 --> 01:36:36.360 Councelor Dan. Nope. Again, let's I'm 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.135 assuming no one wants to speak to it. 01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:39.256 So, let's put that to the vote. All 01:36:39.280 --> 01:36:41.655 those in favor, that is carried 01:36:41.679 --> 01:36:44.615 unanimously. 01:36:44.639 --> 01:36:46.856 councilors, we don't have any notices 01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.655 of motion tonight. we are up to 01:36:49.679 --> 01:36:51.336 reports by councelor delegates. 01:36:51.360 --> 01:36:53.655 Councilors, do we have any delegate 01:36:53.679 --> 01:36:56.679 reports? 01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:57.175 If 01:36:57.199 --> 01:36:59.256 just briefly the metro and transport 01:36:59.280 --> 01:37:01.416 forum its annual general meeting will be 01:37:01.440 --> 01:37:04.440 held tomorrow evening and that will 01:37:04.480 --> 01:37:07.480 be confirming a meeting date change. 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:10.056 so one of the challenges with the MTF 01:37:10.080 --> 01:37:12.215 has been the conflict with 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:14.536 Wednesday council meeting cycles that 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:16.936 will be changing through the AGM process 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:18.536 tomorrow. 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:21.560 Fantastic. Any other counselor? 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:24.456 , council J. 01:37:24.480 --> 01:37:27.480 Um, I went to Alwa, the Australian Local 01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:30.056 Government Women's Association annual 01:37:30.080 --> 01:37:32.615 conference um over the weekend, Friday 01:37:32.639 --> 01:37:35.416 and Saturday. It was fantastic. We met 01:37:35.440 --> 01:37:38.440 with um both councilors and and and 01:37:38.719 --> 01:37:40.135 people that worked in the local 01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:42.536 government sector from all over the 01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:45.095 country. It was a Victorian conference. 01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:47.655 We heard from um you know very 01:37:47.679 --> 01:37:50.376 well-known experts on everything from 01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:53.016 social media, misinformation and 01:37:53.040 --> 01:37:56.040 futurists and the use of futurists at 01:37:56.080 --> 01:37:57.736 local government and planning. It was 01:37:57.760 --> 01:38:00.456 really great to connect with other women 01:38:00.480 --> 01:38:03.095 especially a lot of you know as as a 01:38:03.119 --> 01:38:05.736 firsttime council or it was excellent to 01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:08.695 hear people's um experiences and the 01:38:08.719 --> 01:38:10.296 changes they've made in their various 01:38:10.320 --> 01:38:13.320 communities. So that was an excellent um 01:38:14.080 --> 01:38:15.896 an excellent event and I highly 01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:18.536 recommend it. So thank you. 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:21.336 Thank you councelor J. Any other 01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:23.976 counselors? 01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:25.655 We don't have any items of urgent 01:38:25.679 --> 01:38:28.456 business. Um but we do have a couple of 01:38:28.480 --> 01:38:30.776 or three confidential reports listed in 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:33.496 the agenda. They are 18.1 which is the 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:35.016 South Melbourne Town Hall contract 01:38:35.040 --> 01:38:38.040 variation, 18.2 2 which is 71A alkan 01:38:38.320 --> 01:38:40.615 street expression of interest process 01:38:40.639 --> 01:38:43.175 and 18.3 is the CEO employment matters 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:46.135 the 202425 performance assessment and 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:48.776 the 2025 to 26 annual performance 01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:51.336 agreements so I now call on a councelor 01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:52.615 to move that the meeting be closed to 01:38:52.639 --> 01:38:53.896 the members of the public to consider 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:56.615 the confidential items councelor Mes and 01:38:56.639 --> 01:38:58.536 councelor Tomman so let's put that to 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:01.256 the vote all those in favor that is 01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:04.215 carried unanimously um so councilors 01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:05.576 that now concludes the public part of 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:06.936 the meeting thank Thank you to those 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:09.960 members who attended tonight. Um, as 01:39:10.400 --> 01:39:12.376 there are no further open items, that's 01:39:12.400 --> 01:39:13.896 the conclusion, the formal conclusion of 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:15.896 the public meeting and we'll see you 01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:17.816 later. And obviously counselors will 01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:19.256 just wait for the stream to go off and 01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:22.280 to adjust into the next section. Thanks 01:39:22.320 --> 01:39:25.320 everyone.