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Good evening. Welcome back. It's been

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about four weeks since our last council

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meeting. So fantastic to see  people

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back into our chamber and also welcome

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to those of you that are joining us

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online as well. We're here today for the

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City of Port Phillip Council meeting for

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the 22nd of April 2026. Council of

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course respectfully acknowledges the

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traditional owners and custodians of the

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Kulin Nation and we always acknowledge

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their legacy and spiritual connection to

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land, sea, waterways and sky across the

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City of Port Phillip and we pay our

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heartfelt respects to Elders past,

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present and emerging. Tonight's meeting

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is being conducted in a hybrid style and

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streamed via council's webcast page and

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Facebook Live. Streams and recordings of

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council meetings are copyrighted and

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cannot be altered, reproduced, or

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republished without the permission of

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council. I'm sure there's better things

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to watch than  repeats of council

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meetings. If we experience any technical

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difficulties this evening, we will

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adjourn the meeting for a short time to

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resolve the issue and also remind once

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again our attendees that any member of

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the public addressing council must

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extend due courtesy respect to council

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the processes under which we operate and

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must take direction from the chair,

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that's me, whenever called on to do so.

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Speakers, please remain respectful and

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statements or questions must not be

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defamatory, offensible, offensive,

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objectionable, aimed at embarrassing a

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counselor or a member of council staff,

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or relate to a matter outside of the

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powers of council.

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I also ask attendees to please not

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approach counselors at our desk when

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we're in session. So if you have any

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documentation you wish to share, please

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distribute those to our governance staff

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by the door to my right, to your left,

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and they will distribute that

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information to councilors in turn. And

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in the unlikely event of an emergency,

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don't listen to me. Listen to our

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government staff by the door there once

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again, and they'll be able to provide

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direction as our wardens. And tonight we

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also do have a welcome to our incoming

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general manager of City infrastructure

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to your first council meeting in this

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role, Peter Bernazak. Peter previously led

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the former City maintenance and

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operations department and rejoins the

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City of Port Phillip following seven

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years on the executive team at Cardinia

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Shire Council. Welcome back to the City

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of Port Phillip. Peter

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councilors, do we have any apologies

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this evening? The answer is you are all

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present and accounted for and councelor

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Jay welcome online as well.

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 minutes of our previous meeting

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councilors the minutes of the council

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meeting from the 18th of March have been

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circulated

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and  before we discuss the minutes we

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do have an amendment to an officer

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response. So that will be  that was

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raised at the meeting in regard to the

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the Lagoon Reserve Pavilion. So, I do

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invite Kylie Bennett's  general

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manager of community well-being to

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provide a point of clarification.

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 through you, Mayor. The manager of

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open space, recreation, and community

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resilience is regrettably unable to

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attend tonight's meeting to correct the

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public record in relation to Lagoon

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Reserve. But on behalf of the manager, I

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convey their apology to the community

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member and councilors as their response

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to public questions at the last council

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meeting on this topic contained

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inaccuracies and did not fully reflect

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the relevant council history. The

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manager worked with the governance team

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to correct the public record and I

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understand the revised minutes were

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published on council's website on the

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1st of April 2026 and are before the

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council for consideration tonight. A

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highle summary of the manager's revised

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response is there was discussions

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between council and Albert Park College

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in relation to the Lagoon Reserve

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Pavilion and a potential financial

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contribution was mentioned but not

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quantified. However, ultimately council

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did not move forward with seeking

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funding from external sources due to

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concerns this would impact community use

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amongst other things. Council built and

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funded the two-story pavilion to

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futureproof the facility for community

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use.

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Are there any questions regarding these

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minutes?

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If not, can I have a motion to confirm

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these minutes?

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Moved. Deputy Mayor seconded. Councelor

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Thomman.

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We will put that to a vote. All those in

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favor? That is carried.

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And item three, declarations of

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conflicts of interest. Does anyone have

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a conflict of interest in a matter being

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discussed at tonight's meeting?

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That silence indicates no we do not

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which case we'll move on. A couple of 

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statements that I wish to share this

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evening.  the first is to congratulate

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the efforts of our community for their

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advocacy around acoustic noise cameras.

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 as our community me will know a few

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meetings ago we debated a notice of

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motion calling on the state government

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to support an acoustic noise camera

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trial. The community rallied behind 

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that cause and sent quite a number of

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emails to myself to councilors as well

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as also to state members of parliament

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and  an announcement has been made

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supporting our trial of acoustic noise

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cameras.

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While we currently do not have

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confirmation of those locations, we are

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continuing to advocate for one of those

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to obviously be within the City of Port

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Phillip. But I did want to take this

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moment to once again congratulate the

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work and the efforts of our community.

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Advocacy is a big part of our agenda

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this year and it's encouraging when the

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community and council can work together

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for the benefit of community outcomes.

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So, thank you to the many many members

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of the community who have raised our

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concern, who have rallied behind the

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need for it and have been able to

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generate some real positive change. And

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hopefully, we'll see more to come.

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And also, we have a very special

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announcement tonight. It's not often

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that someone turns 100 years old. And we

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do wish to congratulate Kathleen

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Patricia Brown, OAM, better known as

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Pat, on the occasion of reaching her

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100th birthday. We do acknowledge this

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very significant milestone and recognize

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her outstanding contribution and service

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to the community, including her tenure

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as a former counselor

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 through the former City of South

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Melbourne. So for those of you who may

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not be aware Pat was an advocate

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for the community as both a private

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citizen and then a counselor for the

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former City of council of former City of

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South Melbourne. Pat served on the

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former City of South Melbourne between

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1978 to 1984 and then again from 1988 to

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1994, including a term as Mayor in 1983

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to 84. Pat was awarded a medal of 

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the order of Australia in 1989 for his

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service to community and local

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government.

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And  when the City of Port Phillip was

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created through the amalgamation of the

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cities of South Melbourne, Port

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Melbourne and St. Kilda Pat came back

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again into local government and became

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one of council's first elected

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counselors from 1996 to 99, lending her

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experience in that first term post

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amalgamation. We do extend our birthday

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wishes, our warmest wishes for Pat and

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her contributions to the community and

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do look out for the next edition of

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diversity where there's an interview

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with Pat Brown as well. And  we have

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Pat on the screen including her formal

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mayoral photo. Happy birthday Pat.

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Happy birthday.

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And on to now public question time and

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submissions. So now is the time that our

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public gallery get to speak and we'll

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now hear public questions and

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submissions on report items. So under

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council's governance rules, public

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questions can only be asked about items

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not on the agenda. So any public

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questions will be so public questions

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will be referred to an officer for

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response. If you're speaking to an

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agenda item, then a counselor may wish

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to take that up on your behalf. Just a

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reminder once again, please do not

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disclose another individual's personal

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or confidential information, including

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name, address, or piece of information

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that may not be publicly available and

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is considered private. Should anyone

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participating at tonight's meeting not

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take direction of the chair or comply

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with these conditions, , removal from

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the meeting is at our discretion. So,

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our first speaker tonight is Michael

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Barrett. Come on down. Once again, we

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have two minutes. Starting from the

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minute you reach  the microphone,

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starting with your name and suburb.

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Michael Barrett, over to you.

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 thank you, Mayor my name is

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Michael Barrett. I'm from Port

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Melbourne through you chair I direct

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my question to the general manager of

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City planning and sustainability City of

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Port Phillip. Once again the subject of

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my question relates to the next DC M4

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data center at 127 Todd Road Port

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Melbourne the Port Phillip Ecocenter

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has received funding from the City of

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Port Phillip over the years most

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recently in partnership with the

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Victorian government receiving funding

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for the redevelopment of the Eco Center

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building itself. The Eco Center's stated

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vision is to provide education and

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inspiration to the wider community. It

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believes that its collective impact

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since 1999 has transformed the way

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Melbourne understands wildlife,

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waterways, and well-being in the age of

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climate change. My questions to you of

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March the 4th and March the 18th

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highlighted the possible impacts of data

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centers, particularly as they relate to

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water and electriCity consumption, both

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of which are public assets managed by

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the Victorian government on behalf of

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the Victorian public. via an FOI

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request. I've had it confirmed that

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prior to the arrival of advice being

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received by council from the Victorian

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government on January 16, 2026,

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confirming that a planning permit had

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been issued for the M4 data center, that

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no inbound communication had been

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received by council from the eco center

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regarding the M4 data center. This is

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despite the official media announcement

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of the next DC M4 data center being on

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June 12th, 2025. Given the possible

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environmental impacts of the M4 data

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center on the residents and rate payers

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of the City of Port Phillip, it is

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surprising that up until January 16,

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2026, that no official evidence of

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interest has been shown by the eco

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center towards the M4 data center.

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General manager, in your response to my

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question of March 18, your proposed

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follow-up conversations with the

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Victorian government regarding the M4

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data center, can the ecoenter now be

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added to your proposed list of parties

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for follow-up discussions?

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over to Mike Fischer, our manager of

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community planning and sustainability

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for response.

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 through you may thank you for the

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question. Um so the the Port Philipe

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Ecoenter is an independent nonfor-profit

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organization and council provides

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funding particularly for  provision of

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environmental education  volunteer

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programs and practical action projects

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 to the City of Port Phillip

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community. The council doesn't direct

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the eco center on its advocacy

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priorities or submissions which they may

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do from time to time. Council is not

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aware of any involvement or experience

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of the ecoenter in relation to the data

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center and we're not planning to add the

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ecoenter to the list of follow-up

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discussions. Instead, we'll be our focus

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will be on the continued collaboration

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with the M9 councils.

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Thank you.

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 next speaker is Jensen. Come on down.

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Oh, sorry. Virtual

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Matilda Jessen, Balaclava and lifelong

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billet resident. Good evening,

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counselors.

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I'm here on behalf of a group of Gorane

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Street residents regarding the current

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tree removal and replacement work

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scheduled to commence on Monday the 27th

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of April. We welcome this significant

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investment in our street and are pleased

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to see action after many years but are

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concerned the current approach is a

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short-term fix rather than a coordinated

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whole of street plan. Trees have been

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failing to thrive in Glay Street for

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almost a decade. A recent letter from

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council confirms that many of the trees

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are diseased and failing due to sap

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sucking insects and [ __ ] mold. Despite

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this, large sections of trees,

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particularly between 4 and 24 Glay

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Street, are being retained in upcoming

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works, even after several previous

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treatment attempts have not worked. My

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question to council is why is council

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only replacing 23 of the 96 disease

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trees in Glay Street rather than

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delivering a cohesive whole of street

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replacement program. Replacing less than

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a quarter of trees risks a peacemeal

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outcome. Many of the remaining trees are

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likely likely to fail in the near future

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due to potential spreading of disease to

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new planting. This means we'd see

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ongoing canopy loss, inconsistent

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streetcape quality, and no clear

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succession plan, ultimately resulting in

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repeated removals, and higher long-term

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costs. As residents, we were involved in

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the consultation for Greening Balaclava

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urban forest strategy, which even

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features images of Glay Street as an

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example of where trees are failing.

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However, the current plan does not

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appear consistent with the vision of

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this strategy. Some trees are being

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retained are clearly not thriving and

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already causing access issues. For

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example, outside Nyang Glay while more

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established trees on William Street are

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marked for removal.

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My question um is that we're not asking

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for a delay but an urgent review to

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ensure this project delivers a

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coordinated long-term outcome for a

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whole of street. Thank you for your

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time. Thank you, Matilda. And

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responsibly provided by Mark Thompson,

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our manager of parks and infrastructure

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maintenance.

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Through you, Mayor, and thank you for

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your question, Matilda. The independent

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expert report, which we did um earlier

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this year, does not recommend the whole

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of the street replacement on Gul Street.

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It confirms that while some trees are

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affected by the Sudi mold, most are

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viable and responding to treatment.

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Removing them would unnecess

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unnecessarily destroy existing canopy

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directly contradicting the intent of the

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greening balaclav urban forest plan.

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Council is therefore taking a targeted

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evidence-based approach removing only 23

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of the trees that are genuinely failing

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and unlikely to recover while retaining

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and improving conditions for the

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remaining trees. An independent soil

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investigation found that poor tree

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health is primary driven by degraded

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soil conditions, not disease. High

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alkalinity, low nutrients, compaction

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and poor water retention were some of

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the issues. The solution is to fix the

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soil, enlarge the tree pits, capture

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storm water through passive irrigation,

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and replant with the selected species.

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This approach avoids the long-term

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canopy loss, delivers better

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environmental outcomes, and reflects

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best practice in urban forest management

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rather than wholesale removals.

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Thank you, Mark. And our next speaker is

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in person, Linda Holdenhovven.

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Sorry, Lisa. Lisa Alenhovven.

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My apologies.

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Good evening. My name is Lisa

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Aldenhovven. I am a 30-year resident of

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Yep.

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I'm a 30 year I No, I want the time re

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reset. Um,

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that's right. and start with your suburb

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too please.

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 Balac Glay Street Balaclava.

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Fantastic.

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 and

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 much of what I was going to say has

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been covered off by Tilly on our behalf,

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but I would like to take  Mark's 

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statements

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and reiterate that of the 96 trees in

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Glay Street, 80 of them are

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kalisThommans.

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Every single kalisThomman in Glay Street

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is affected with the [ __ ] mold there.

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We talk about the urban canopy and not

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wanting to disrupt that by removing all

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the trees. I would argue that there is

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no canopy provided by those trees. Given

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that they all have dieback of various

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proportions, many of them are dead. And

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of the 23 trees that have been marked

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for replacement, only 17 of those trees

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are the kalistamaments.

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Six of them are trees of other species

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and one assumes that they have been they

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are not diseased. They are not unhealthy

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trees. One assumes they've only been

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nominated because they are not

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consistent with the rest of the trees in

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the street. The parasite is not species

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specific. So there is nothing to stop it

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from moving into the new trees once they

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are um planted. All the trees have got

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this problem with the soil and the wet

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feet and yet only 23 of the trees are

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going to be addressed by the works which

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are due to commence next week.  my

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question to council is how can you

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justify that these works are going to

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contribute to a healthy urban forest and

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the street and enhancing the streetscape

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when you are leaving 63 disease-ridden

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 trees in the street. Thank you.

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Thank you Lisa. And that response will

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be provided once again by Mark Thompson.

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through you Mayor and thank you Lisa for

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your question. Along Goulay Street 81

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trees were assessed by specialist

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arborists. Of these 10 were found to be

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dead and a further 14 were assessed as

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being in poor health. In total 23 trees

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have been programmed for removal next

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week and as they were unsuitable for

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long-term retention. The remaining 57

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trees were assessed as being in fair to

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good condition and suitable to retain.

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Where these trees were displaying mold,

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they were treated with the systemic

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insecticide to reduce the insect

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population producing the honeydew on

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which the mold grows. This treatment

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supports the long-term health of the

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retained trees and will continue to

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monitor these trees and treat them

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appropriately.

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Replacement planting will only will

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occur in May following upgrades to the

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street plots. These upgrades include

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increasing plot size, improving soil

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quality, and installing passive

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irrigation to ensure the new trees have

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the best possible conditions to thrive.

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Another another key outcome of the

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project is improved paths to travel

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along the street to meet disability

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access standards.

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Thank you.  next,  speaker is Adrien

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King joining us online.

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Adrien, once again, start with your name

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and suburb.

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Thank you. Adrien King, Middle Park. ,

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first topic, Lagoon Reserve Upgrade.

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Question one, did any counselor at any

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point over the course of the upgrade

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project from the ideation phase through

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to completion declare a conflict of

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interest? If so, please confirm who and

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when. Question two, please outline

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Albert Park College's preferences for a

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pavilion second floor, including size as

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measured by square meter, floor layout,

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overall design features, and the

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school's main priorities. Question

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three, did the college have any

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communication with the council's

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external consultants

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used regarding the final colors chosen

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for the exterior of the pavilion.

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separately. Please explain why City of

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Port Phillip local law 17, namely

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behavior on council land, is not being

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enforced to reduce e-mobility devices

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riding unlawfully on councilowned

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pavements. Lastly, given the widely

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known antisocial behaviors witnessed in

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St. Kilder linked to rough sleepers,

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please explain why existing local law 42

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brackets 2 relating to camping on

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council land does not conflict with

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local law 17, namely behavior on council

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land. Thank you.

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Thank you. and we'll hand over to Kylie

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Bennett, our general manager of

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community wellbeing to answer the first

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few parts of that question

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through you Mayor. Thank you for um the

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questions. Um with respect to questions

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one to three, our officers will take 

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those questions on notice  and and

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come back with a response to each of

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those  as soon as possible. I'll hand

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to my colleague to answer the remaining

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questions.

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 thank you. And I've  will address

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the request for um an explanation around

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the  local law 422

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um and whether or not there's a conflict

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with local law 17.  local law 42

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subsection 2 is the camping on council

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land exemptions provision.  and clause

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17 behavior on council land um relates

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to behavior on council land. They

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regulate different matters and as such

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 we believe that they do not conflict

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 with each other. 422

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restricts camping on  council land 

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prohibits it  with limited exemptions

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such as where a person is homeless or

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has complex knees. And this clause

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applies to camping rather than behavior.

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 whereas clause  17 is about

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behavior.  it applies to all people on

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council land and provides that a person

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must not unreasonably interfere with

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another person, harass a person or act

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contrary to any conditions or signs and

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so on.

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So a person  who does not pro who does

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not breach the camping prohibition local

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law may still behave in a way that

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breaches local law 17 relating to

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behavior.

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Thank you. And our next question is from

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Emily Bane.

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Welcome.

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Two minutes starting with your name and

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suburb.

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Okay. Hello.  my name's Ebony and I

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live in St. Kilda. My question is about

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the selling off of community housing in

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Port Phillip. So in the early 2000s,

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Port Philip Council gave away 1.2

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hectares of council land on Graves

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Street to a property developer on the

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condition that 28 of those apartments

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would be put aside for community

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housing.  originally this was managed

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by Port Phillip Housing Trust which is

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created by council. But in 2005,  this

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 the houses were given away for free

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 all 28 properties to housing first 

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to manage. In 2024, council was notified

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that Housing First was planning to sell

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all of these apartments located on

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Graves Street. And in these apartments

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are people who are deeply connected to

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the area, people who have been living in

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St. Kilder for all of their life, some

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over 70 years. And when they were moved

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in 20 years ago, they were promised that

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this would be their forever home. Now

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they are being asked to move  move

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away from their community, move into

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shoe box house apartments, move into

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aged care facilities before they're

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ready to or move even further away from

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amenities like public transport, grocery

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stores or just their local kind of 

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GP. Now given that these apartments were

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gifted to Housing First by Port Phip

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Housing Trust, what can the council do

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to prevent this from happening? And um

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if there is in fact nothing that you can

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do as you have previously said, then why

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does council continue to work with the

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same model? In 2020, council once again

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gifted land to housing first to build 46

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units in Malborough Street in Balaclava.

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And this same model features heavily as

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part of the homelessness and affordab

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affordable housing strategy. How does a

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council see community housing as a

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long-term strate strategy for

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homelessness and affordable housing when

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it appears that housing can just be sold

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whenever organizations like housing

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first deem that they are no longer

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profitable? This isn't the only mark

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against the community housing model

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either. Housing first can barely be

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considered affordable as they charge

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people 30% of their income which means

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that the housing first which means that

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housing first is pe keeping people in

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housing poverty. I'll get to my question

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though. Is the council making any

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changes to prevent housing first and

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other organizations like them from

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selling off housing in the future  or

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regulate minimum standards?

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Perfect timing. Well done.  the

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response will be provided by Christine

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Denning, the manager of committee

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building and inclusion. Welcome

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Christine.

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 thank you through you Mayor and thank

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you Ebony for your questions. Officers

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will take these questions on notice and

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come back to you with a response as soon

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as possible.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We now have a few submissions to agenda

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items. So the first is item 7.1, the

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presentation of the CO report, February

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issue 126. We have a submission from

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Kevin Joyce.

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Welcome.

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You have two minutes starting with your

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name and suburb.

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Hi, my name is Kevin Joyce. I live in

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Siller um through Marit Street. Um

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sorry, I had two questions really and

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not as well prepared as the people have

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gone before me. I'm afraid  but I've

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not been to a council meeting before. So

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trying to understand how this process

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all works. The first question was about

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prioritization and how the council

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prioritizes items for public expenditure

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and in particular the North Sincular um

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daycare development. The reason why I

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asked the question is because the

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expenditure is $13 million and curious

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since there's been active campaigns at

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St. Killer Primary School to have

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community hall for a long period of

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time. um how that prioritization matrix

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works just so I can feed back to say

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Kilda Primary School Network in terms of

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that respect. The second question I had

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also relates to the $13 million spend.

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um having been made aware of the plans

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last week and given up to today to

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respond to them as a joining neighbor to

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the north Kilda um proposed development

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um we've noticed going through the plans

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that the information is provided in both

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reports and the actual plans themselves

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are incorrect. So the question was

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really if now the council is informed

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that the plans are incorrect and can

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give examples if that's of use um

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whether the council would really invest

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$13 million on erroneous information.

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Think that's it.

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Thank you very much Kevin and a

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councelor may wish to ch ask those

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questions on your behalf when we get to

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the agenda item. Thank you.

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the CO report

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item and we have two submitters in

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relation to item 11.3

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to 21 Palmerson Cresant in South

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Melbourne planning application 916

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2014/A

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starting with Anthony Scapesy

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who is joining us online.

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Yes, thanks thanks for that.  good

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evening councilors. So I'll briefly

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speak to the specific items that form

00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.456
part of this amendment application. 

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and I'm sure council will also um

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summarize the application to date. Um so

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suffice to say the key reason for this

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amendment um on behalf of our client is

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a change from the traditional build to

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sell housing model to a build to rent

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model for development which results in

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changes to the basement car parking

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arrangements and the ground floor. On

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the basement we seek the deletion of one

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level which will result in the proposal

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providing a total of 151 car spaces. The

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application is now subject to the

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revised car parking requirements as

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recently introduced by the state

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government which stipulates there are no

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minimum parking requirements for the

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development on this site. In any event,

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we say that the provision of 151 car

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spaces for the site is wholly sufficient

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both in respect of the relevant car

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parking rates and the planning scheme

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but also with regard to the general lay

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of the land where there is excellent

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public transport access.

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On the ground level, the removal of the

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previous commercial element is a

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consequence of the change to the build

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to rent model and will be replaced by a

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range of on-site residential amenities,

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including a gym, wellness, and

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co-working lounge facility and private

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meeting rooms. Beyond these minor

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changes to directly facilitate the build

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to rent model, both the approved height

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of 62.5 m over 19 stories and the

00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.096
provision of 196 apartments is

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unchanged. And with that, the relevant

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planning controls and overarching policy

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of the planning scheme is also

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unchanged. We therefore agree with

00:29:30.080 --> 00:29:31.416
council's planning department that a

00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.176
permit should issue based on the

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proposal being responsive to the site

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and planning context as well as

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generally according with the existing

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planning permit.

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 when I'm happy to take questions as

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well to council questions you can

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ask

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question.

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Thank you. And we have David as our

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second submitter.

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It's all right. Leave it. Carry on.

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Do I need to touch that?

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No.

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N. Thank you. Um David McGau in South

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Melbourne.

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Mayor and counselors. Um the community

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is looking to council to ensure that the

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increased density in sub precinct 2

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which is where this  proposal 

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occurs in a way that the amenity of

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future and existing residents is

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enhanced.

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Indeed as the decision guidelines

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require that there is a net community

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benefit not just enhanced benefit for an

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applicant. Clearly, the absence of

00:31:04.399 --> 00:31:06.456
designated visitor parking and a

00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.936
potentially overdeveloped site, if the

00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.496
permit stays grandfathered, do not

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enhance amenity. The assessment of this

00:31:14.399 --> 00:31:17.096
application, as recommended by officers,

00:31:17.120 --> 00:31:20.120
falls short of community expectations in

00:31:20.320 --> 00:31:22.936
a number of ways. Acceptance of an

00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.775
application with substandard and

00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.496
errorridd documentation including

00:31:27.520 --> 00:31:30.135
drawings. The further extension of a

00:31:30.159 --> 00:31:33.159
permit after 10 years of inactivity.

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Failure to require compliance with

00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.495
clause 58, the better apartment design

00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.135
standards because it's grandfathered.

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failure to negotiate inclusion of

00:31:44.159 --> 00:31:47.159
visitor spaces as per your resolution in

00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.519
May 2024 requiring  that to take

00:31:52.159 --> 00:31:55.159
place. Acceptance by officers that state

00:31:55.360 --> 00:31:57.495
legislative changes which allow

00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.519
discretion automatically override the

00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:03.255
constraints of the area in which the

00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.279
site is located. No requirement does not

00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.015
mean prohibited.

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Each application must be looked at in

00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.616
conjunction with the constraints of the

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area. On behalf of the community, I ask

00:32:15.760 --> 00:32:18.616
you to either reject the application or

00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.096
defer your decision and request that

00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:23.576
officers negotiate with the applicant

00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:26.296
for the inclusion of 10 designated

00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:28.936
on-site car spaces for visitors and

00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.960
compliance with clause 58. Should coun

00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.936
council on the other hand determine to

00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.336
grant a permit at least include a

00:32:37.360 --> 00:32:39.976
condition that 10 on-site visitor car

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.696
spaces must be provided and alter

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.336
condition 26 to read that the

00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:48.360
construction must start within 2 years.

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Thank you David.

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Councilors can take up these questions

00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:55.655
as we debate the item when it comes

00:32:55.679 --> 00:32:57.736
forward on the agenda.

00:32:57.760 --> 00:33:00.456
That  concludes  public question

00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.480
time and submissions to agenda items. So

00:33:03.760 --> 00:33:05.816
now it's the opportunity for councilors

00:33:05.840 --> 00:33:08.840
to  ask any questions for items not on

00:33:09.919 --> 00:33:12.919
tonight's agenda. Councilors. Councelor

00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.296
Buckingham.

00:33:16.320 --> 00:33:18.216
I'd like to take up the questions asked

00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.096
about the tree planting on Goulay

00:33:21.120 --> 00:33:24.120
Street. Um, is there a risk that the new

00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.255
plantings will fail because of the

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.279
parasite in the struggling trees? And

00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.559
has this risk been considered? And um,

00:33:34.399 --> 00:33:37.399
do we have plans to address this?

00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:44.216
Through you, Mayor, and thank you for

00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.616
the question, Councelor Buckingham. The

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.696
risk is very low. We're replacing all

00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.495
the soil in the current tree plots with

00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.816
fresh new soil specifically for this

00:33:53.840 --> 00:33:55.895
particular species. The current tree

00:33:55.919 --> 00:33:58.919
plots are not suitable to maintain that

00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.176
particular species. The structural

00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:02.616
elements of the other trees in the

00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.856
street. We're currently assessing them

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.416
on a six-monthly basis and treating them

00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.440
as we go. There is very little um

00:34:10.560 --> 00:34:13.176
evidence that the actual soy mold will

00:34:13.200 --> 00:34:16.200
infect and and um make the trees um

00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.855
affect the survival rate of the trees.

00:34:20.879 --> 00:34:22.696
To clarify,

00:34:22.720 --> 00:34:25.256
um is that soil remediation happening

00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.416
for all of the trees on Goulay Street or

00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:28.936
just the trees that are being replaced?

00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:30.696
Stage one is the trees that are being

00:34:30.720 --> 00:34:32.216
removed and the new trees that are going

00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:34.776
in the plot. Stage two, which is due in

00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.176
July, is remediating the soils around

00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:39.416
the other trees. That will be done by

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.095
non-destructive digging and making the

00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.976
soil plots larger and also adding

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.000
additives to the soil um for the tow

00:34:47.839 --> 00:34:50.216
them trees improve the health of them

00:34:50.240 --> 00:34:52.536
trees.

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And another question, so clearly this is

00:34:55.520 --> 00:34:58.055
an ongoing process. It does start next

00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.936
week, but it's not a do a set and

00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.960
forget. Is there scope for council

00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.936
officers to meet with the residents of

00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.736
Glay Street to explain the plans for the

00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.216
trees and potentially consider some of

00:35:12.240 --> 00:35:14.616
their historical knowledge about failed

00:35:14.640 --> 00:35:17.640
tree planting in the past to um

00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.760
continually improve the plan for Goulay

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.119
Streets trees and hopefully um improve

00:35:24.640 --> 00:35:27.640
the likelihood of success.

00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.760
Thank you, Council Luckingham. Um we are

00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.496
officers are going to meet  Lisa on

00:35:33.520 --> 00:35:35.976
site at 11:30 on Friday morning. So

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.656
that's already been organized. Happy to

00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:40.680
meet with other residents um whenever is

00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.976
suitable to for them. So I will send

00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.000
another letter drop out on Friday.

00:35:47.040 --> 00:35:49.736
That's fantastic to hear. And as the

00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.296
ward counselor, could I please be kept a

00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:53.656
breast of those developments? Thanks.

00:35:53.680 --> 00:35:55.656
No problems.

00:35:55.680 --> 00:35:57.416
Thank you councelor Buckingham.

00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.296
Councelor Holidayiday. , apologies.

00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.575
Just following up on those questions.

00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.599
Can we also reach out um to Matilda and

00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.456
anyone else who has um engaged with us

00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.856
on Goulay Street? I understand that

00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.496
there are others who have.

00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:15.575
Thank you. Okay. It sounds like the

00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.815
community has this well in hand. Then um

00:36:17.839 --> 00:36:19.815
I'll ask a second question then. you

00:36:19.839 --> 00:36:22.136
mentioned um that the the sy mild or

00:36:22.160 --> 00:36:25.160
sudi mold is caused by um the ne sugars

00:36:27.520 --> 00:36:29.736
or nectars or whatever on the trees and

00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.815
we're treating them with you know

00:36:31.839 --> 00:36:34.776
something that will kill the um the

00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.575
insects on there. Is this something that

00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.815
we'll have to do on an ongoing basis

00:36:39.839 --> 00:36:42.839
then to manage those trees?

00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:45.256
Through you Mayor and thank you

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.416
councelor Holiday for your question. The

00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.575
stage two is improving the soil in the

00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.456
soil plot which and the soil plots

00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.296
aren't big enough for the trees in the

00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.216
current state. So increasing the the

00:36:56.240 --> 00:36:58.216
soil density around there will

00:36:58.240 --> 00:37:00.536
significantly improve the tree health.

00:37:00.560 --> 00:37:03.016
So ongoing the answer to that question

00:37:03.040 --> 00:37:04.936
would be it would be unlikely once we

00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:06.616
get on top of the disease and the trees

00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:08.376
are to a healthy condition they should

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.400
have a fuller natural life.

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.216
Thank you. Any councelor Tomman

00:37:14.240 --> 00:37:17.240
question?

00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.416
I have two questions. One is as a

00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.496
followup on Miss Brown's 100th's

00:37:21.520 --> 00:37:24.520
birthday. Um I've been trying  for a

00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:27.656
while um because there is a lady who is

00:37:27.680 --> 00:37:30.055
about to turn 104

00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.079
 in June  Joan Mayor who lives at

00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.280
the RSL and u I'm you know I'm sure this

00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.696
question will have to be taken on notice

00:37:38.720 --> 00:37:41.575
but  I'm really interested to find out

00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.136
who are the people over 100 in the City

00:37:44.160 --> 00:37:47.160
of Port Phillip. So is is there a way to

00:37:47.200 --> 00:37:50.200
find out um how who are our centinarian

00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.256
and who is actually the oldest person

00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.280
living in the City of Portfield?

00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.016
through you, Mayor. That's a great

00:38:01.040 --> 00:38:03.176
question, councelor dean. I'm not sure.

00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:05.016
Um, but we'd be really pleased to look

00:38:05.040 --> 00:38:06.856
into that for you because you know

00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.880
obviously the king knows who is 100.

00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.176
What about us? So, and my second

00:38:13.200 --> 00:38:16.200
question as  Vicki has just arrived is

00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.736
um um there has been some questions

00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.216
about the Monarch Lane and then

00:38:22.240 --> 00:38:24.696
obviously there's a lane behind Monach

00:38:24.720 --> 00:38:27.720
Lane against we against Woolworth

00:38:28.160 --> 00:38:31.160
um about who owns the lane and who is

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.055
responsible for the cleanness of the

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.456
lane knowing that there are actually a

00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.376
lot of rubbish bins that are overflowing

00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.400
and create a lot of inside part of the

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.055
the world in St. Kilda. So do we know

00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.079
exactly whose responsibility is they are

00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.736
to make sure that this line is

00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.815
appropriate because it is quite well

00:38:51.839 --> 00:38:54.839
used

00:39:03.839 --> 00:39:05.575
through you may thank you councelor

00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.976
Tomman for the questions. Um you're

00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.896
referring to some laneways that form a

00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.776
T-shape off Aklland Street in St Kilda

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.296
and one of them is referred to as

00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.776
Monarch Lane and that is under private

00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.256
ownership and the one behind it that

00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.496
runs parallel to Aklland Street is

00:39:21.520 --> 00:39:24.520
council owned. Um, council has at its

00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.496
discretion assumed responsibility for

00:39:27.520 --> 00:39:30.136
the private um, laneway in terms of

00:39:30.160 --> 00:39:33.160
maintenance and it of course it has a

00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.416
responsibility for the for the

00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.976
maintenance of the council owned land at

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.000
the rear.

00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:42.936
Okay,

00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.095
thank you. Any further questions from

00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.119
councilors? Councelor Holidayiday.

00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.400
 just following up on Ebanese's

00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.296
questions.  I don't know if Ebony is

00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.320
still here or not, but um regardless

00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.055
um I'm just wondering  there was a

00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.575
couple of questions there about the kind

00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.896
of management of the um the housing

00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.920
trust. Um and I think my first question

00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.320
is what is the um what is housing first

00:40:12.640 --> 00:40:15.640
obligation under the housing trust? What

00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:18.776
do what did we entrust them to do with

00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.800
all these properties?

00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.496
 through you may thank you for the

00:40:23.520 --> 00:40:26.456
question. Um essentially housing first

00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.376
as trustee is responsible for the

00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.616
day-to-day management of the assets that

00:40:30.640 --> 00:40:32.456
are held within the trust

00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.480
right and and under that trusteeship

00:40:36.560 --> 00:40:39.560
do they have sold what is their

00:40:39.680 --> 00:40:42.680
discretion to buy sell invest  you

00:40:43.040 --> 00:40:45.176
know the the kind of assets of the trust

00:40:45.200 --> 00:40:48.200
and manage those

00:40:48.240 --> 00:40:50.136
 through you may I might take that

00:40:50.160 --> 00:40:52.456
question oh through you may housing

00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.416
first is fully responsible for deciding

00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:57.416
which properties or units within

00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.440
properties um it wishes to sell  when

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:03.815
these properties are sold and the sale

00:41:03.839 --> 00:41:04.936
price.

00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.960
Right. Um and lastly um I am am I to

00:41:10.160 --> 00:41:13.016
understand then that the only effective

00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:15.896
constraints here on their management of

00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.656
it notwithstanding other you know

00:41:17.680 --> 00:41:20.136
reasonleness is that those proceeds of

00:41:20.160 --> 00:41:23.095
the sales need to be reinvested in the

00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.119
City of Port Phillip

00:41:32.240 --> 00:41:33.976
I believe so

00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.000
I'll take that as Any

00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:41.496
further questions from councilors?

00:41:41.520 --> 00:41:42.376
Yes, please.

00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:43.575
I'm sure there are. Councelor

00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:44.376
Holidayiday.

00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.400
Um, thank you, Mayor. Um, I'm just, ,

00:41:48.640 --> 00:41:51.575
moving on to other topics here. Um, we

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.376
still face the uncertainty of, um,

00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.536
whether the straight of hormones is open

00:41:56.560 --> 00:41:58.936
or closed at a, um, hourby- hour kind of

00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.960
basis. Um, and we've seen some impacts

00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.335
of that.  but  kind of bracing

00:42:05.359 --> 00:42:06.856
ourselves for further impacts here. I'm

00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.376
wondering what areas of council

00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.400
operations and our outsource services um

00:42:11.680 --> 00:42:14.680
use fossil fuels and their derivatives.

00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.095
 through you may thank you for the

00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.815
question councelor Holidayiday. Um so

00:42:21.839 --> 00:42:23.736
while we continue to reduce  seek to

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.896
reduce our use of fossil fuels, council

00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.295
does use fossil fuels in its um own

00:42:28.319 --> 00:42:30.216
operations including fuel for council

00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:33.240
vehicles  gas used in buildings and a

00:42:33.359 --> 00:42:35.416
small percentage of electriCity used for

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.256
street lighting in our facilities. Um

00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.575
fossil fuels are used in outsour

00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.536
outsourced services and in council owned

00:42:42.560 --> 00:42:44.776
buildings that are leased to tenants 

00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.696
where fuel and energy used is managed by

00:42:46.720 --> 00:42:48.456
contractors or occupants rather than

00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.776
directly by council.  council

00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.216
continues to seek opportunities to

00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:54.136
reduce our fossil fuel use as part of

00:42:54.160 --> 00:42:55.496
our act and adapt strategy

00:42:55.520 --> 00:42:57.016
implementation and our overall

00:42:57.040 --> 00:42:59.416
commitment to reducing our CO2 

00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.256
emissions.

00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.896
And just following up on that with

00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.920
apologies in advance, um derivatives

00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.575
wise, you for example, our road

00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.736
resurfacing program would also be

00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.376
impacted by increase in fossil fuel

00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.400
costs given the bumen required. 

00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.216
through you may and um thank you for the

00:43:22.240 --> 00:43:24.536
question. Yes, indeed. I'd have to come

00:43:24.560 --> 00:43:27.095
back on notice about the impact of that.

00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:28.055
Um take that.

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:29.176
Okay.

00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:32.200
Um second question or third now. Um how

00:43:32.240 --> 00:43:34.295
much of our CO2 emissions are we

00:43:34.319 --> 00:43:37.016
offsetting each year? Understand that we

00:43:37.040 --> 00:43:40.040
you know promote that we're net zero CO2

00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.896
emissions but we still have you know

00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.376
fossil fuel utilization.

00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.295
Sure. through you Mayor again. Thank you

00:43:48.319 --> 00:43:50.376
for the question. So  C council

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:51.976
purchases renewable energy through a

00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.736
power purchasing agreement and then buys

00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:55.016
carbon offsets for the remaining

00:43:55.040 --> 00:43:58.040
emissions  for from operations. Um the

00:43:58.640 --> 00:44:01.335
number of carbon offsets purchased 

00:44:01.359 --> 00:44:04.359
was 1791 tons in financial year 2324 and

00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.376
1987

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.400
tons in financial year 2425.

00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.079
Um thanks and um what moving to the

00:44:19.520 --> 00:44:21.736
budget and our projections you know what

00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.216
cost impacts are we projecting for our

00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:26.856
fossil fuel and derivatives usage over

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.815
you know in the upcoming budget

00:44:29.839 --> 00:44:31.976
um through you may again so at this

00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.136
stage it's diff difficult to project the

00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:36.055
future costs across the complete fossil

00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.216
fuel and derivatives usage usage for

00:44:38.240 --> 00:44:40.055
council um before the conflict in the

00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:41.976
Middle East our annual budget for fuel

00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.000
is $425,000

00:44:45.040 --> 00:44:48.040
  assuming diesel prices of around

00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:50.536
$3 a liter for 6 months. Obviously, this

00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:53.560
is speculation. Um we expect the cost

00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.599
will increase by about $68,000.

00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.440
Okay. Um and moving forward here, just

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:01.896
wondering, you know, if we're talking

00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:03.736
about electrification, how much of our

00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.736
light vehicle fleet is currently

00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.760
electrified?

00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.760
 so to date um we have 164 road

00:45:15.359 --> 00:45:18.295
registered assets in the fleet. Um 32

00:45:18.319 --> 00:45:21.319
are fully electric.  60 are hybrid.

00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:28.936
So 70 um

00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.960
72 of of diesel and petrol. Yeah.

00:45:32.240 --> 00:45:35.240
Right. And last question. Thank you. Um

00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.280
we've just entered into a new um waste

00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.616
contract. I'm wondering what provisions

00:45:40.640 --> 00:45:42.055
are there in that contract for the

00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.136
electrification of our waste collection

00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:47.095
fleet or our the outsourced fleet.

00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:48.696
Sure. So thank you through you, Mayor.

00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:51.256
Um so the recently signed 4-year waste

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.656
contract extension um does not contain

00:45:53.680 --> 00:45:55.496
any provisions to electrify the service

00:45:55.520 --> 00:45:57.815
provers waste collection fleet. However,

00:45:57.839 --> 00:45:58.776
officers are looking into the

00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.256
feasibility for our next contract  and

00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:03.095
working on route optimization to

00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.095
minimize travel distances to and from

00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.496
processing and collection.

00:46:07.520 --> 00:46:10.520
Okay. So, no,

00:46:10.560 --> 00:46:12.696
not not in the current contract

00:46:12.720 --> 00:46:13.736
extension.

00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.136
Okay. Thank you,

00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:19.160
councelor J.

00:46:22.640 --> 00:46:25.640
Um thank you, Mayor. Um, , really

00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:28.295
interesting figures there, Mike. I was

00:46:28.319 --> 00:46:31.319
just wondering with all of those, um,

00:46:31.359 --> 00:46:33.335
, the carbon, all that tonnage of

00:46:33.359 --> 00:46:36.216
carbon, um, how much did that cost? I'm

00:46:36.240 --> 00:46:37.976
assuming that we purchased carbon

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.000
credits. Is that the way we offset that

00:46:42.240 --> 00:46:44.136
through you, Mayor? Yes, we purchased

00:46:44.160 --> 00:46:45.736
the credits, but I'd have to come back

00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.536
to the cost based on those that that

00:46:48.560 --> 00:46:51.095
tonnage as on notice.

00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.119
Thank you. Thank you, Mike. Any

00:46:54.560 --> 00:46:57.256
further questions, councelor Jo?

00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.815
Nope. Other councilors? Any other

00:46:59.839 --> 00:47:01.496
councilors have any other questions for

00:47:01.520 --> 00:47:03.335
items not on the agenda for this

00:47:03.359 --> 00:47:06.359
evening?

00:47:07.839 --> 00:47:10.839
Hi everyone. So, , we had a recent

00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:12.376
announcement from the state government

00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.176
around an increase in train frequencies

00:47:15.200 --> 00:47:16.936
or frequent increase in frequencies on

00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.095
our rail network. Have we received any

00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:20.856
notification around corresponding

00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.936
service frequency improvements on the

00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:24.536
bus network within the City of Port

00:47:24.560 --> 00:47:27.256
Phillip? Noting once again that some key

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.575
bus routes were identified as a priority

00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.335
under the Fisherman's Bend integrated

00:47:31.359 --> 00:47:34.359
transport plan.

00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.400
 thank you  Mayor and um  council

00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:41.240
has not  received any notification and

00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:43.976
nor um have we seen any public

00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.000
notification in relation to um increases

00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:50.520
in bus services as outlined by yourself.

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.280
So to clarify, despite  buses being

00:47:55.040 --> 00:47:56.616
identifi bus an uplift of bus

00:47:56.640 --> 00:47:58.295
frequencies being identified as an

00:47:58.319 --> 00:47:59.976
immediate improvement in the fisherman's

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.136
band integrated transport plan which was

00:48:02.160 --> 00:48:04.696
released in September last year. We yet

00:48:04.720 --> 00:48:06.856
to see any uplift on the bus network as

00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.880
a result of that plan.

00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:13.176
I'll need to take um part of that

00:48:13.200 --> 00:48:14.536
question notice. Certainly there's not

00:48:14.560 --> 00:48:16.216
been any recent announcements in terms

00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:18.856
of uplifts there. Um but let me take

00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.880
question or notice in terms of other um

00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:23.496
notifications that might have been made

00:48:23.520 --> 00:48:25.095
public.

00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:28.119
You any final questions from counselors

00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.400
for items not on tonight's agenda?

00:48:33.359 --> 00:48:36.359
All right. In which case we shall move

00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.176
on to item six, petitions, joint leaders

00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:41.656
and deputations of which we have none.

00:48:41.680 --> 00:48:44.616
So that takes us on to officer reports.

00:48:44.640 --> 00:48:47.640
Our first officer report being 7.1 the

00:48:48.319 --> 00:48:49.736
presentation of the CO report the

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.760
February issue 126 councilors any

00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:55.256
questions for this I agenda item here

00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.280
this evening council holiday.

00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.216
 thank you Mayor I'm just following up

00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:03.240
on um  residents questions here about

00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:06.520
the North St Kilda um child care

00:49:07.839 --> 00:49:10.839
planning  proposal. Um I assume this

00:49:11.839 --> 00:49:14.776
is the the  correct place to ask it

00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.335
cuz it's covered in the report. Um there

00:49:17.359 --> 00:49:18.616
were two questions here. The first of

00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:20.616
which was how does council prioritize

00:49:20.640 --> 00:49:23.016
our resources between something like the

00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:26.040
child care um redevelopment here and

00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:29.240
things like community requests from for

00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.079
things like the   Silda Primary

00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:36.200
School  multi-purpose hall that

00:49:36.319 --> 00:49:39.319
they're requesting. How does that work?

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:43.000
 through you Mayor.  council has a a

00:49:44.240 --> 00:49:45.976
comprehensive process through its

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.776
council plan and budget process where it

00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.736
considers a range of community needs and

00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.760
priorities that includes um a particular

00:49:55.359 --> 00:49:58.359
focus on renewal of existing assets um

00:49:59.040 --> 00:50:00.776
of which the childcare centers are

00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.496
existing assets of council.  so there

00:50:03.520 --> 00:50:05.896
is certainly a priority around 

00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.736
ensuring those assets are fit for

00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.456
purpose and and meeting  meeting

00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.136
requirements. So that's certainly part

00:50:12.160 --> 00:50:15.160
of council's  consideration.

00:50:15.359 --> 00:50:18.359
Um activities  in the advocacy space

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.559
are often  activities where um they

00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.559
may be a a need within the community but

00:50:25.680 --> 00:50:28.535
it may be um outside of council's role.

00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.559
So um there might be great benefit in a

00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.456
facility at a school for instance. Um

00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.016
but  the provision of school and and

00:50:37.040 --> 00:50:39.416
facilities related to schools are are

00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.815
largely or are a state government

00:50:41.839 --> 00:50:43.736
responsibility. But it is a

00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.760
comprehensive  approach that council

00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.736
uses through its c through its budgeting

00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.575
process each year

00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.599
and and through you may if I may and we

00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.416
have advocated strongly to support the

00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.440
school and its its efforts around the um

00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.559
sporting facilities  like the hall at

00:51:03.680 --> 00:51:06.680
Ster Primary School.

00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.880
 thank you both. Can I follow up? Um

00:51:11.200 --> 00:51:14.200
the just  the the second point here

00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.960
the resident made was around the um and

00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:20.136
this is pro possibly a planning

00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:22.776
question, one that may come up later um

00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.800
around the  traffic management plans

00:51:26.240 --> 00:51:29.240
that are included in the submission or

00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:30.696
the planning application now being

00:51:30.720 --> 00:51:32.936
superseded by the work that we are doing

00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.335
currently on Argyle Street. How do we

00:51:35.359 --> 00:51:37.976
reconcile those two things where we've

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:39.656
done a traffic management plan and then

00:51:39.680 --> 00:51:41.815
we've um changed the conditions on the

00:51:41.839 --> 00:51:43.016
street?

00:51:43.040 --> 00:51:45.656
 through you may need to take that

00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:48.535
question on notice. Um but what I would

00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.256
say is that anybody that is affected 

00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.280
by the granting of a permit can make

00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.055
make objections or make other

00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.136
submissions and I'd encourage them to do

00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:00.696
that through  council's processes if

00:52:00.720 --> 00:52:03.656
they wish to do so.

00:52:03.680 --> 00:52:06.616
Yes. And just following up on that, um

00:52:06.640 --> 00:52:08.856
that process, can you just clarify for

00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.856
me here how that process works? You

00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.856
know, what

00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.736
residents make um objections or

00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.295
supporting um kind of submissions and

00:52:18.319 --> 00:52:20.136
then at what threshold does that come to

00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:22.295
council for consideration?

00:52:22.319 --> 00:52:24.295
 through you, Mayor. I'm probably not

00:52:24.319 --> 00:52:26.936
the best person to  outline the

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:28.936
planning process. I'm not sure if my

00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.656
colleague can.  we might take that on

00:52:31.680 --> 00:52:33.656
notice.

00:52:33.680 --> 00:52:36.376
Well, I think through you, Mayor, if

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.376
there's a I think there's 16 objections,

00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:41.400
it's a criteria for bringing um decision

00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:43.176
into council, but there might be some

00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:44.456
other parameters as well, but we'll

00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.480
we'll follow back on that.

00:52:48.640 --> 00:52:50.295
Any further questions for this item?

00:52:50.319 --> 00:52:52.376
Councelor Tom.

00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.776
Yes, I've got a question on one of the

00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.496
item that is currently off track which

00:52:57.520 --> 00:53:00.216
is the delivery of the Sinilapia Lancad

00:53:00.240 --> 00:53:03.240
works upgrade which still indicates the

00:53:03.359 --> 00:53:06.359
completion date as May 26.  obviously

00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.575
looking at what's happening on site the

00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.376
the kiosk still has not been demolished

00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.400
etc etc. So can I have a obviously May

00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:18.440
26 is very optimistic. Um, is there can

00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.976
I have an update on what the plans are

00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.000
to finish the pier or the landside the

00:53:26.720 --> 00:53:29.656
the the work on land that council is

00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:31.016
running

00:53:31.040 --> 00:53:34.040
 through you may I have been advised

00:53:34.640 --> 00:53:37.416
 that the remaining above ground works

00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.656
are likely to be completed by the end of

00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:42.680
May. Um but I would put a caveat on

00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.575
that.  officers are working  with

00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:48.599
the project team hard to  enable that

00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.176
but you're absolutely right councelor

00:53:51.200 --> 00:53:54.200
Tomman it is getting close to  May 

00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.736
the reason for reporting the project as

00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:59.736
off track is that the project team

00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:01.656
remain in the process of determining

00:54:01.680 --> 00:54:03.815
design solutions and time frames to

00:54:03.839 --> 00:54:06.839
resolve several below ground  matters

00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.815
which include drainage and relocation of

00:54:09.839 --> 00:54:12.216
Maine's power supply with the department

00:54:12.240 --> 00:54:15.176
of transport port and City power. 

00:54:15.200 --> 00:54:17.496
once those design solutions below the

00:54:17.520 --> 00:54:20.520
ground are determined, a change request

00:54:20.640 --> 00:54:23.176
will be resubmitted to baseline  the

00:54:23.200 --> 00:54:25.335
project and officers undertake to

00:54:25.359 --> 00:54:27.976
provide an update to councilors as soon

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.000
as possible on on this priority project.

00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.136
Councelor Thomman, further question.

00:54:34.160 --> 00:54:36.216
So you prompted me  what you just said

00:54:36.240 --> 00:54:38.535
prompted me another question. Um so when

00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.559
you actually  look at the pier  and

00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.815
you you look where you got the walkway

00:54:43.839 --> 00:54:46.839
on the left is an electric box which is

00:54:47.359 --> 00:54:49.016
 going to be in the middle of our 12

00:54:49.040 --> 00:54:52.040
new palm trees. Um so I know that

00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.176
there's a beautiful u electric box in

00:54:55.200 --> 00:54:58.055
front of the pal. Um,

00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.535
have we, um, envisaged for that electric

00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.176
box to be moved elsewhere in a less

00:55:03.200 --> 00:55:05.896
prominent space than in the middle of

00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:07.815
this beautiful

00:55:07.839 --> 00:55:10.136
eventually $60 million upgrade when you

00:55:10.160 --> 00:55:12.055
look at the whole thing? , has that

00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:13.575
been considered or can it still be

00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:14.535
considered?

00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.136
, through you, Mayor. That's a very

00:55:16.160 --> 00:55:18.376
good question, councelor. I'll take that

00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.400
on notice and come back to you.

00:55:22.720 --> 00:55:23.896
Further questions, councelor

00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.335
Holidayiday.

00:55:25.359 --> 00:55:28.055
 thank you Mayor. Um in the CEO report

00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:29.736
there's a measure in there about the

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.896
number of older persons housed and

00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.216
obviously the recent um announcement

00:55:34.240 --> 00:55:37.240
about um redevelopment of the  public

00:55:38.240 --> 00:55:41.240
housing at  Victoria Street and um

00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.696
Incan Street has um impacted our ability

00:55:44.720 --> 00:55:47.256
to nominate  older residents into

00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.656
public housing. And I note here that

00:55:49.680 --> 00:55:51.176
we're still working out the implications

00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:53.176
of that. But I'm just wondering what is

00:55:53.200 --> 00:55:55.095
the mechanism for updating the targets

00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.119
in the CEO report

00:55:58.319 --> 00:56:00.775
that we are because of this we are

00:56:00.799 --> 00:56:03.799
failing to achieve

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.696
 through you may we'll give that some

00:56:06.720 --> 00:56:08.936
consideration there is  I guess the

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:11.960
opportunity with the  upcoming council

00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.176
plan and budget that's being released of

00:56:15.200 --> 00:56:18.200
which the targets will be in in there um

00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.496
that are set and monitored. Um certainly

00:56:21.520 --> 00:56:23.896
within the draft I don't believe there's

00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:25.976
been any changes but between draft and

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.000
final we may be in a better position um

00:56:29.200 --> 00:56:31.976
to to adjust through that process but my

00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:35.000
colleagues might want to add to that.

00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:40.520
Any further questions?

00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:43.880
Sorry.

00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.480
Further questions?

00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.815
I have one in relation to the

00:56:51.839 --> 00:56:54.456
fisherman's bend item which I note is at

00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.480
risk. We state in the item, this is on

00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.416
page 16 of the CEO's report that the

00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.496
state government continues to finalize

00:57:03.520 --> 00:57:05.416
the fisherman's bin DCP and Montigue

00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.656
precinct implementation plan. That

00:57:07.680 --> 00:57:10.216
wording has been pretty constant since

00:57:10.240 --> 00:57:13.240
 every time I read this report. Do we

00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.575
have an update as to how close they are

00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.599
to finalizing the DCP and the Montigue

00:57:19.040 --> 00:57:21.016
precinct implementation plan and how

00:57:21.040 --> 00:57:22.376
long have we been waiting for these to

00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.936
be finalized?

00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.960
 thank you um Mayor for the question.

00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.535
 the DCP

00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:33.559
 was the subject of a panel um report

00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.535
that has been um where council

00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:38.856
participated and put in a submission. um

00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.880
that report  provided um it's  that

00:57:43.520 --> 00:57:46.055
report was released by the panel in

00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.295
April last year and has been with the

00:57:48.319 --> 00:57:51.319
government um since then for um well

00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.960
just over 12 months now  waiting for

00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.815
their government's response which is

00:57:57.839 --> 00:58:00.839
either to adapt um or um those

00:58:01.839 --> 00:58:03.656
recommendations or not. So that's a sort

00:58:03.680 --> 00:58:06.680
of a 12 month  the  Montyu precinct

00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.295
implementation plan the IMPP um has been

00:58:10.319 --> 00:58:13.176
around for at least four years there um

00:58:13.200 --> 00:58:16.200
in draft form um and we are yet to um

00:58:16.640 --> 00:58:18.856
receive um the final government

00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:21.016
consideration of that draft there having

00:58:21.040 --> 00:58:22.616
been engagement with council through

00:58:22.640 --> 00:58:24.775
that process.

00:58:24.799 --> 00:58:26.856
Thank you. Last call for any other

00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.880
questions from counselors on this item.

00:58:30.240 --> 00:58:32.936
In which case, we do have a

00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.656
recommendation before us. Is a council

00:58:35.680 --> 00:58:37.736
that wishes to move this recommendation?

00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.815
Moved to councelor Holidayiday. Seconded

00:58:39.839 --> 00:58:42.839
deputy Mayor Mes. The mover has the

00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.960
floor.

00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:49.976
Does the second wish to speak? Any other

00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.976
councilors wish to speak to the motion

00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:53.896
before us?

00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.920
back to the mover to close.  as we can

00:58:57.520 --> 00:58:59.976
see here, the CEO report  provides a

00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:01.416
wealth of information about all our

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.976
projects, the statuses of them  and

00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:05.976
key things that are happening  that

00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:07.736
we're doing and the that are happening

00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.760
to us. So it's an insightful read if you

00:59:10.799 --> 00:59:13.176
want to find out what  the council is

00:59:13.200 --> 00:59:14.936
doing across our whole project

00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.960
portfolio. So well worth the read.

00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:21.095
Council Holiday and Council

00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.775
Holidayiday's closing debate. So

00:59:22.799 --> 00:59:24.295
therefore there is a motion before us to

00:59:24.319 --> 00:59:27.319
the vote. All those in favor that motion

00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.599
is carried unanimously.

00:59:31.359 --> 00:59:34.359
Brings us now to item 11.1 the proposed

00:59:34.799 --> 00:59:36.696
Port Melbourne special rate and charge

00:59:36.720 --> 00:59:39.720
declaration support. Any question to

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.920
officers for this item?

00:59:49.680 --> 00:59:52.680
Thanks Councelor Consol.

00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.055
Thank you. When reading through

00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:57.416
throughout the process when we've

00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.440
received objections, for example, the

01:00:00.799 --> 01:00:03.799
ability to take in consideration the

01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.656
objections like whether a property will

01:00:05.680 --> 01:00:08.680
be in or out, it feels like that's a bit

01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.496
locked into an earlier part of the

01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:13.575
process. Can you explain it to me so

01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.599
that I know for this one and for future

01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.280
ones how and when a property could be

01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:22.456
considered if we wanted to remove it

01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.480
from the scheme

01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.616
boundary?

01:00:28.640 --> 01:00:30.295
Thank you for the question and through

01:00:30.319 --> 01:00:33.319
you may usually  the process is that

01:00:33.359 --> 01:00:35.575
we look at the boundary or we work with

01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.176
the traders association to have a look

01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:40.200
at the boundary of the entire scheme um

01:00:40.640 --> 01:00:43.575
before we come to council to then move

01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.256
towards the steps of the notice of

01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.280
intent. Um and in the declaration we

01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:51.559
include the boundary um that we'd like

01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.456
to all  both the association and

01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.480
council want to progress. So the process

01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.216
of  including properties is done

01:01:00.240 --> 01:01:02.856
before the notice of intent and then at

01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:05.095
that  at that council meeting we do

01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.736
the public notice notice of intent.

01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:09.976
There is an ability to make some

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:13.000
amendments um under the legislation but

01:01:13.520 --> 01:01:16.520
they are minor and they're um we can't

01:01:16.799 --> 01:01:19.799
make  adjustments that are more than

01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.079
that will impact those  contributing

01:01:23.839 --> 01:01:26.216
contributing to the rate more than like

01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:28.775
10%. There's only a 10% movement there

01:01:28.799 --> 01:01:31.575
and also an objection has to be raised.

01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:33.976
So there are some limitations to making

01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.216
those changes. Does that answer your

01:01:36.240 --> 01:01:37.656
question?

01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:38.775
Yep. Continue.

01:01:38.799 --> 01:01:41.496
 so in this process or when you're

01:01:41.520 --> 01:01:43.496
saying before the process was that

01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:46.520
boundary reviewed and what was the

01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.095
basis? Did you look at old objections to

01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:51.976
say well we remember last time that came

01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:53.976
up?

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:57.000
So the through you may the process 

01:01:57.839 --> 01:02:00.839
the traders association actually engaged

01:02:01.359 --> 01:02:03.815
 a special rate expert who went around

01:02:03.839 --> 01:02:06.696
and visited the businesses and and spoke

01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:09.720
to those that was open and available to

01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.616
seek their support on that rate um and

01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:15.176
was able to look at the essentially

01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:17.335
audit and visit those businesses

01:02:17.359 --> 01:02:19.416
individually and see the that that

01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:21.976
mapping. So that's how it was done. We

01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:23.575
didn't look at the objections from the

01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.599
pre previous special rate.

01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:30.616
Further questions. Councelor

01:02:30.640 --> 01:02:33.640
Holidayiday.  thank you may um there's

01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:35.575
been some recent  media coverage of

01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:37.575
the  special rate scheme in

01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.599
Stonington. Um and there are specific 

01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:42.775
complaints in there about the

01:02:42.799 --> 01:02:45.016
administration of the scheme and

01:02:45.040 --> 01:02:47.656
effectively as I understand it the use

01:02:47.680 --> 01:02:50.680
of contributed funds by the traders um

01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:56.040
have been used there in in funding

01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.496
normal council operations like street

01:02:59.520 --> 01:03:02.136
cleaning um for example. I'm just

01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:05.160
wondering here, can you clarify for me

01:03:05.359 --> 01:03:07.896
these funds that are raised from the

01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:10.856
traders, how they get administered and

01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.335
spent and what things do they get spent

01:03:13.359 --> 01:03:15.976
of and do they get spent on things that

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:17.736
we would otherwise be doing like

01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.216
cleaning the streets?

01:03:20.240 --> 01:03:21.656
Um through you may thank you for the

01:03:21.680 --> 01:03:23.496
question. I'll I'll comment first on the

01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:26.520
Stonington case from what I can. I I

01:03:26.640 --> 01:03:29.640
understand that um the the the

01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:32.856
council is actually administering the

01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.496
special rate in this case. The I I don't

01:03:35.520 --> 01:03:37.015
know the technicalities of it, but the

01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.039
the the trade association was the money

01:03:40.160 --> 01:03:41.736
was taken from the trade association

01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:43.575
back into council and council was then

01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.416
spending it on things that the traders

01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.976
felt were normal council business. In

01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.856
this case for us, we are administering

01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.295
the special rate and it goes to the

01:03:52.319 --> 01:03:54.216
traders association and then maybe I'll

01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:56.456
pass to Susie of how we then administer

01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:58.696
through our  review cycles with the

01:03:58.720 --> 01:04:00.856
association

01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:02.696
through through you may. So should

01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:05.015
council  endorse the special rates

01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.095
tonight  we would put together a

01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:09.416
funding agreement  and in within that

01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:11.656
funding agreement  there's 

01:04:11.680 --> 01:04:13.256
requirements that the traders

01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.280
association must meet. Um and on top of

01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.480
that there's  every six months they

01:04:20.160 --> 01:04:22.136
have to provide us with an activity

01:04:22.160 --> 01:04:24.055
report on how they're spending the money

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:27.079
and also how they plan to spend um the

01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.136
money for the next 6 months. We also

01:04:30.160 --> 01:04:32.775
define we also include from the

01:04:32.799 --> 01:04:34.376
declaration

01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:37.400
um  the purpose of the funds. So it

01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:40.520
needs to be used under the declaration

01:04:40.799 --> 01:04:42.456
um for marketing promotion business

01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.376
development and center management. So

01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.696
that's defined in the agreement in the

01:04:46.720 --> 01:04:49.256
funding agreement as well.

01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:52.055
If I may just clarify a little bit

01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.079
further. No, there is no proposal to use

01:04:55.839 --> 01:04:57.976
the money to fund normal council

01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.295
services or operations. This is a

01:05:00.319 --> 01:05:02.535
proposal that's come from the trader

01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:05.559
association. Um and we we collect the

01:05:06.160 --> 01:05:07.575
money, provide it to them, they then

01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:10.535
acquit it back to us.

01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.136
Councelor Consol.

01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:13.496
Thank you. One of the objections I

01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:15.256
remember reading was that it feels

01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:16.775
sometimes the money just has to get

01:05:16.799 --> 01:05:19.095
spent in one year yet across multiple

01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.119
years that money might do more in a in a

01:05:22.799 --> 01:05:25.799
larger amount or across more time. Is

01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.416
there a requirement that all the money

01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.440
has to be spent annually

01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.599
through you may within the agree within

01:05:34.720 --> 01:05:36.856
the templates of our funding agreement

01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.856
generally we do want the associations to

01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.176
be spending within that 12-month period.

01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:43.976
Um, I think that's because it really

01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.696
supports a 12-month calendar of events.

01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:49.335
However, there are um situations where

01:05:49.359 --> 01:05:52.055
they may not spend it all and we would

01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:54.856
ask them to provide us with a proposal

01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.015
on how to move that to the next

01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.656
financial year. So, um they would just

01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:01.656
need to submit a proposal and how

01:06:01.680 --> 01:06:03.656
they're going to continue to spend that.

01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:05.335
We certainly don't want our associations

01:06:05.359 --> 01:06:07.575
to be carrying too much money. um the

01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:09.815
schemes last for five years. So it's

01:06:09.839 --> 01:06:11.976
important they are spending that money

01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.216
and there is an expectation that from

01:06:14.240 --> 01:06:16.295
those contributing that they are

01:06:16.319 --> 01:06:19.176
providing marketing promotion benefit to

01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:21.815
the streets. So it is possible but with

01:06:21.839 --> 01:06:24.839
a plan proposal.

01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.599
Councelor Joe.

01:06:29.839 --> 01:06:32.696
Um good question councelor Consolo and

01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:35.720
just in in continuation of of that

01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:38.760
question um Susie if the traders don't

01:06:39.359 --> 01:06:41.416
spend all the money in one year and and

01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:43.976
and do give you know as you said a plan

01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:45.815
moving forward and then don't spend it

01:06:45.839 --> 01:06:47.976
all the next would that signify that

01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:49.815
they've got too much and then we can

01:06:49.839 --> 01:06:52.216
reduce the amount in you know the third

01:06:52.240 --> 01:06:55.095
or fourth year accordingly

01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.119
in a prata sort of manner.

01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.896
um  traders generally don't spend to

01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:03.976
the dollar if they don't have to. So I'm

01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:07.000
just um wondering thank you

01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:10.599
um through you may because we declare an

01:07:11.839 --> 01:07:14.839
amount um they they do need to that is

01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:18.599
their full budget.  the only way would

01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:22.039
we would ever um I mean there'd be ever

01:07:22.319 --> 01:07:23.736
a difference if there was a breach in

01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:25.496
agreement and then we'd have to actually

01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:27.575
return the money back to to those that

01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:30.599
have have contributed. So um really 

01:07:31.839 --> 01:07:34.295
there wouldn't be a reason they would

01:07:34.319 --> 01:07:37.015
need to find activities and promotion

01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:38.376
etc where they would spend the full

01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:39.736
amount of money because that's what's

01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.535
been declared um and is stated in that

01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:45.015
declaration.

01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.416
Um I think just to add some more context

01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:49.575
we have had some questions about the

01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:51.656
current economic state of the country

01:07:51.680 --> 01:07:54.680
and um obviously there's a lot of um you

01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.136
know fear around you know straits and

01:07:58.160 --> 01:08:01.160
petrols and cost of things. Um so there

01:08:01.359 --> 01:08:03.256
has been some  traders that have

01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.055
reached out and

01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.055
can we frame it as a question?

01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:09.079
Um if the economy  at what if the

01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.496
economy goes south what is that measure

01:08:11.520 --> 01:08:14.520
where we could possibly hold reduce or

01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.119
cancel the special rates?

01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:28.359
Yeah. um through you may so in terms of

01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:31.096
where where there's a breach of the

01:08:31.120 --> 01:08:33.335
agreement council can then step in to

01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.295
cancel it um there isn't we haven't in

01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.295
in this case as a trigger point to look

01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.175
at external circumstances so we would be

01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:44.199
looking at how um the association's

01:08:44.799 --> 01:08:46.135
performing and are they carrying out

01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.215
their different activities as they

01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.456
stated in their plan and are they

01:08:50.480 --> 01:08:52.456
meeting the budget etc. So that's how we

01:08:52.480 --> 01:08:55.016
would be working through that.

01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:56.775
Councelor Consol,

01:08:56.799 --> 01:08:59.799
is there a hardship um provision or are

01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.239
these fees allowed to be paid quarterly

01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:07.335
through you may? It is a so it's a

01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.896
special rate that is um part of the

01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.616
rating strategy. Therefore um they're

01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:15.640
able to use the same hardship process as

01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.775
as rates. So the actual special rate

01:09:18.799 --> 01:09:21.496
appears on your rates notice as a as

01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:24.295
another line item. So it would be 

01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:25.496
they'd be able to go through the

01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:27.815
hardship payments process there

01:09:27.839 --> 01:09:29.815
and quarterly installments or

01:09:29.839 --> 01:09:31.496
installments not quarterly.

01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:33.416
Yeah, it's through me. We might have to

01:09:33.440 --> 01:09:35.976
come back as to the pro on notice the

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.000
the process but yeah that um the same

01:09:39.040 --> 01:09:42.040
hardship applies.

01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.175
Any

01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.199
further questions from counselors on

01:09:48.480 --> 01:09:51.480
this item?

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.000
I do have one. I just wanted to seek

01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.456
clarification in relation to recommend

01:09:58.480 --> 01:10:01.256
or the 3.4 for under the recommendation

01:10:01.280 --> 01:10:03.496
where it says that  council officers

01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:05.096
will work with the association to reach

01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:07.175
out to those businesses who provided

01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:09.655
submissions and objections to ensure

01:10:09.679 --> 01:10:11.416
that opportunities and concerns are

01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:14.440
identifi identified are considered. So I

01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:16.856
assume this is where we would be working

01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:18.776
with the association if say there was a

01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.800
cluster of businesses that objected or

01:10:22.719 --> 01:10:24.536
raised concerns about the special rate

01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:25.576
scheme that we would be able to work

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:27.976
with the association to look at

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.416
approaches that they could take to

01:10:29.440 --> 01:10:32.296
address some of those cluster specific

01:10:32.320 --> 01:10:34.296
 concerns that have been raised. Is

01:10:34.320 --> 01:10:35.655
that correct

01:10:35.679 --> 01:10:38.616
through you may back to you may um yes

01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.576
 that is correct and and we um also

01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:44.600
understand that  the Port Melbourne

01:10:45.040 --> 01:10:46.776
Association which is meeting I think

01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:48.776
tomorrow morning have even got it on

01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:50.376
their agenda about how they're going to

01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:51.576
start reaching out and have put a plan

01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:53.576
in place to look at those clusters look

01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:55.096
at those objections and start to work

01:10:55.120 --> 01:10:57.175
with those businesses.

01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:59.736
Excellent. Thank you. Any other

01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.760
questions on this item?

01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.256
In which case, there is a recommendation

01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:08.280
before us. Do we have a mover?

01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.256
I'll second.

01:11:13.280 --> 01:11:15.576
Does the mover wish to speak and open

01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:16.456
the debate?

01:11:16.480 --> 01:11:18.936
Yes, please. Thank you. The world's a

01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.896
very um intense place at the moment and

01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.776
doing business in the area is hard in

01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.800
general, not just Port Phillip but the

01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.536
greater Australia.

01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.336
The options here are to support it or to

01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:36.360
let it um lapse or abandon it. And both

01:11:37.360 --> 01:11:40.135
are really tricky because to accept it

01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:43.159
you are asking businesses to put in more

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.600
money that the general idea behind these

01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.496
doesn't serve everybody equally

01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:52.520
but with the best of intention is that

01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:54.856
they can utilize the funds together in

01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:56.456
that larger pool and make it an

01:11:56.480 --> 01:11:59.016
effective solution for the area to

01:11:59.040 --> 01:12:01.016
abandon it. The first thing people would

01:12:01.040 --> 01:12:02.695
start looking at is say, "Why don't we

01:12:02.719 --> 01:12:04.056
have something like this? Why don't we

01:12:04.080 --> 01:12:07.080
do it?" I find we're very bound by a

01:12:07.360 --> 01:12:10.360
strict process. And it worries me that

01:12:11.120 --> 01:12:13.336
the objections I'd like to say, "Oh, I

01:12:13.360 --> 01:12:14.695
think that one should maybe go out or

01:12:14.719 --> 01:12:16.456
maybe we can work here in this, but it's

01:12:16.480 --> 01:12:18.616
pretty rigid at this point in the

01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:20.856
process to start doing that." So I

01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:22.215
appreciate the line there that the

01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:24.376
association will go back and work with

01:12:24.400 --> 01:12:27.400
the individual um businesses because

01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.616
value for money is the key right now. If

01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:32.135
people are going to be required to pay,

01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:33.736
they really need to feel that this is

01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.760
worth their time and effort. And um I

01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:38.695
know that this meeting is at 7:30

01:12:38.719 --> 01:12:40.616
tomorrow morning, I'll be there cuz I do

01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:42.456
believe in the association. there's been

01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:45.480
a lot of change and um positive momentum

01:12:47.040 --> 01:12:50.040
and I encourage that to continue and for

01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:52.536
people with ideas to come forth and

01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.175
really become a part of it because just

01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:56.776
because you pay into it doesn't mean

01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:58.376
that's where it stops having that

01:12:58.400 --> 01:13:01.096
participation is key to the success and

01:13:01.120 --> 01:13:03.976
I wish that more u businesses would come

01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.376
along even if they can't spend more than

01:13:06.400 --> 01:13:08.296
one meeting a year just really become

01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:11.320
involved and um take on this as a group

01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:13.416
project that we can deliver for our

01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:15.416
area. Thank you.

01:13:15.440 --> 01:13:18.215
Thank you, councelor Consol. Over to the

01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.239
second, which was myself.

01:13:21.360 --> 01:13:23.736
Just want to reiterate

01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:26.215
special  rate schemes are a good

01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.856
initiative for our precincts when they

01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.016
are managed and delivered effectively.

01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:33.336
So I appreciate the work that council is

01:13:33.360 --> 01:13:35.016
undertaking with the Port Melbourne

01:13:35.040 --> 01:13:37.576
Business Association in strengthening

01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:39.336
governance as well as also looking at

01:13:39.360 --> 01:13:41.416
some of the specific concerns that have

01:13:41.440 --> 01:13:44.440
been raised to elevate the value across

01:13:44.719 --> 01:13:47.719
Bay Street.  Bay Street is a fairly

01:13:48.400 --> 01:13:50.135
unique precinct in terms of the length

01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:52.536
of the street and also the various

01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.296
different anchor points that exist

01:13:54.320 --> 01:13:56.456
across that retail precinct in being

01:13:56.480 --> 01:13:58.695
able to work with the businesses and

01:13:58.719 --> 01:14:01.175
work with the association in how we can

01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.256
activate some of those clusters that

01:14:03.280 --> 01:14:05.655
understandably from their perspective 

01:14:05.679 --> 01:14:08.056
have raised concerns. They would like to

01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:11.080
see an uplift. The work on this begins

01:14:11.120 --> 01:14:13.256
tomorrow morning at 7:30 p.m.  sorry

01:14:13.280 --> 01:14:15.976
7:30 a.m. rather and I will be there as

01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.135
well. So  do look forward to

01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.695
continuing that conversation and how we

01:14:20.719 --> 01:14:22.135
can continue to work for the betterment

01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:24.776
of Bay Street and Port Melbourne and do

01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:27.800
commend this motion before us?

01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:30.695
Other councilors wish to councelor

01:14:30.719 --> 01:14:31.576
Crawford

01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:33.416
just very briefly I do think it's

01:14:33.440 --> 01:14:35.416
important to um point out that this is

01:14:35.440 --> 01:14:37.096
not council driving it. This is the

01:14:37.120 --> 01:14:38.776
traders groups. this is the local groups

01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:40.856
that have got together and said we

01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.296
actually want to bring this we want to

01:14:42.320 --> 01:14:45.096
do things to uplift our area. So um it's

01:14:45.120 --> 01:14:47.896
not council imposing it. It's actually

01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:49.896
been grassroots driven and for a lot of

01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.336
these this one has been a long-standing

01:14:51.360 --> 01:14:53.175
one but for some of them they are new

01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:54.936
and council has helped support them with

01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:56.695
the governance and given the money in

01:14:56.719 --> 01:14:58.376
order to establish them over the last

01:14:58.400 --> 01:14:59.655
four years. So, I just want to

01:14:59.679 --> 01:15:01.496
reiterate, I know it's not easy for

01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:03.496
businesses, but the idea is that people

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:05.655
got together in their communities and

01:15:05.679 --> 01:15:08.679
said we want to do some um uplift or um

01:15:08.719 --> 01:15:10.776
promoting and activating of our streets.

01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:12.856
Carl Street is one of them. Um South

01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.256
Melbourne we're considering soon. There

01:15:15.280 --> 01:15:17.256
has been that effort. Um and again, it

01:15:17.280 --> 01:15:18.695
is actually being driven by the people

01:15:18.719 --> 01:15:21.655
who are working on the street. Um I just

01:15:21.679 --> 01:15:24.679
think that's a really important point.

01:15:25.040 --> 01:15:26.936
Thank you, Councelor Crawford. Councelor

01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:27.976
Timman

01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.296
and just to add to what council Crawford

01:15:30.320 --> 01:15:33.256
 said is that   obviously council

01:15:33.280 --> 01:15:35.576
checks it checks and balances as well.

01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.736
So in a way it sort of gives  a

01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.760
certain um confidence to the traders

01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:42.856
including maybe people that are a bit

01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.496
more you know a bit more reluctant to to

01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.896
be part of the scheme that we actually

01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:50.776
um  checking what how the money is

01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:52.776
spent to make sure it spends properly

01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.256
that the AGMs take place  that

01:15:55.280 --> 01:15:58.215
everybody gets invited etc.  I think

01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:00.856
it's important that we  you know

01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:03.655
obviously  in in Sila we've got Akan

01:16:03.679 --> 01:16:05.655
Street got Fra Street and there are a

01:16:05.679 --> 01:16:07.655
few others in the in the City of Port

01:16:07.679 --> 01:16:10.215
Phillip.  I think the traders know

01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.239
best how to promote their business and

01:16:13.360 --> 01:16:16.360
um I obviously it is voluntary and 

01:16:17.280 --> 01:16:19.175
for all the traders association and all

01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:20.616
the members of the committee through the

01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:22.776
City they're doing a great job in

01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:25.800
difficult circumstances and I thank them

01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:29.000
for what they do  and  and what they

01:16:29.679 --> 01:16:32.679
do yet to promote their precinct.

01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:34.695
Thank you councelor Timman. Any other

01:16:34.719 --> 01:16:37.719
counselors wish to add to this debate?

01:16:39.040 --> 01:16:41.336
There's no indication of further

01:16:41.360 --> 01:16:42.936
speakers in which case we'll move back

01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:45.336
to the move of the motion council consol

01:16:45.360 --> 01:16:47.256
to close

01:16:47.280 --> 01:16:48.856
in which case the motion's being put.

01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:50.536
There is a motion before us. Show of

01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:53.496
hands for that recommendation that is

01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.520
carried unanimously.

01:16:57.199 --> 01:16:59.655
And that brings us to the next item

01:16:59.679 --> 01:17:01.896
before us 11.2 the proposed South

01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:03.496
Melbourne special rate in charge

01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:06.520
declaration report. Any questions for

01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.880
this item that are unique to this item?

01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:15.560
Yes, councelor J.

01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.560
Sorry, I'll just unmute myself. Um,

01:17:23.280 --> 01:17:26.280
we've certainly  or I'm just going to

01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:28.856
ask. I've got some traders that are

01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.016
wanting to understand.

01:17:31.040 --> 01:17:33.736
Um, so South Melbourne's an interesting

01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:35.416
place and I've got traders wanting to

01:17:35.440 --> 01:17:38.440
understand if the special funds levy can

01:17:39.040 --> 01:17:42.040
be used for private security.

01:17:42.480 --> 01:17:45.096
, through you may um the short answer

01:17:45.120 --> 01:17:48.120
is  no it can't. The um purpose of the

01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:50.056
special rate is defined in the

01:17:50.080 --> 01:17:53.016
declaration. Um so it's defined for

01:17:53.040 --> 01:17:54.376
marketing, promotion, business

01:17:54.400 --> 01:17:56.215
development, sort of center management

01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.695
coordination purposes. So that's fairly

01:17:58.719 --> 01:18:01.655
tight as what the association can spend

01:18:01.679 --> 01:18:03.896
the money on.

01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:06.616
Mike, is that declaration legislated or

01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:08.695
is that what this particular special

01:18:08.719 --> 01:18:11.096
rates Sorry to put you on the spot

01:18:11.120 --> 01:18:14.120
that this is what we and the association

01:18:14.719 --> 01:18:17.719
have  declared in the in the letter

01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:19.816
the letter of intent effectively through

01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:21.655
this process over the last 6 months.

01:18:21.679 --> 01:18:22.456
Yeah.

01:18:22.480 --> 01:18:24.695
All right. What would it take? I mean I

01:18:24.719 --> 01:18:27.719
just this is just you know um start 

01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.215
what would it take to change the

01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.776
declaration if there was enough will

01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:35.336
from the traders going forward? Not

01:18:35.360 --> 01:18:38.360
tonight but but is there opportunity to

01:18:38.480 --> 01:18:40.376
change the declaration to suit some of

01:18:40.400 --> 01:18:43.400
the traders that may not benefit from

01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:46.296
marketing? I think

01:18:46.320 --> 01:18:49.320
so through you may the effectively we

01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:52.520
would be going back to the start um

01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:54.215
because we would need to go back to the

01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:56.695
public notice process that we start off

01:18:56.719 --> 01:18:59.016
in stage one to work back through and

01:18:59.040 --> 01:19:01.416
allow the objection submission process

01:19:01.440 --> 01:19:04.440
to start again.

01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:06.776
All right. So a bit like snakes and

01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:09.800
ladders. So had the organization or the

01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:12.536
traders at the beginning wanted to

01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.560
include  let's say you know  I mean

01:19:17.120 --> 01:19:19.976
let let's say weekend security so to

01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.576
speak. Is that something that they could

01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:23.576
have put in there? I'm understanding

01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:25.336
it's not like a constitution where you

01:19:25.360 --> 01:19:27.096
can just all vote to change it. That's

01:19:27.120 --> 01:19:28.856
quite

01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.175
 through you may there is always the

01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:33.576
opportunity I think for them to propose

01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.600
the um different things within within

01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.135
the intent of the declaration but

01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:41.336
certainly this hasn't been the

01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:44.360
discussion with the um South Melbourne

01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.960
Association at this point.

01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:51.239
Okay. So unless they started again, they

01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.920
wouldn't be able to change the the

01:19:55.679 --> 01:19:58.135
declaration essentially the the mission

01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:00.536
of the fund

01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:02.616
through you may that that's correct. So

01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.576
so we've we've had this um declaration

01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:07.016
that's been going through this process

01:20:07.040 --> 01:20:09.655
to to change it. We we'd be starting

01:20:09.679 --> 01:20:12.679
again effectively to add to add sort of

01:20:13.120 --> 01:20:15.655
private security or anything else they

01:20:15.679 --> 01:20:17.416
wanted to discuss.

01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:19.655
All right. Thank you Mike.

01:20:19.679 --> 01:20:22.679
Just to clarify, the declaration is

01:20:22.719 --> 01:20:24.776
developed in partnership between the

01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:26.776
relevant traders or business association

01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.256
with council. Is is that correct?

01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:32.280
Through you may that is correct.

01:20:32.400 --> 01:20:35.400
Any further questions for this item?

01:20:37.679 --> 01:20:40.135
No further questions.  councelor Jay,

01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:41.816
did you have anything further? Sorry.

01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:43.576
No.

01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:46.600
In which case there is a recommendation

01:20:47.280 --> 01:20:49.496
before us. Is there a council that

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:52.376
wishes to move this or something

01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:54.856
different? Councelor J. Thank you.

01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:56.376
Moved. Councelor Jay. Seconded.

01:20:56.400 --> 01:20:59.096
Councelor Thomman. The mover. Councelor

01:20:59.120 --> 01:21:01.496
Jay. The floor is yours to open the

01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:03.416
debate.

01:21:03.440 --> 01:21:06.440
Yeah, look um I'm not well so I will

01:21:06.719 --> 01:21:09.655
keep my words limited. Um I wish I could

01:21:09.679 --> 01:21:12.679
be there with you all. um this scheme

01:21:13.120 --> 01:21:15.655
used properly is fantastic. I've seen it

01:21:15.679 --> 01:21:17.896
as the council representative for the

01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.616
business reference group. I've seen um

01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:22.536
the difference between traders groups

01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:24.215
that have this scheme and have that

01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:25.816
marketing money and then and then the

01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.840
other ones that don't. Um this is a very

01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.536
heavily legislated process. Um the

01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:34.616
councilors have had  as was pointed

01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.016
out nothing to do with this. was purely

01:21:37.040 --> 01:21:40.040
a community and a trader  run

01:21:40.320 --> 01:21:42.215
initiative and there was lots of rules

01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.239
and regulations to follow along the way.

01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:48.215
Um the current association

01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:51.175
um which was the I think they're now the

01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:53.976
South Melbourne business um advisory

01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:56.776
group or business association. They have

01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.096
done great things for the community with

01:21:59.120 --> 01:22:01.175
with with no money and very little

01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.655
money. They have survived on grants,

01:22:03.679 --> 01:22:06.679
sweats and tears. Um the portion coffee

01:22:07.120 --> 01:22:09.096
event alone that they've created in

01:22:09.120 --> 01:22:11.976
conjunction with a $20,000 grant with C

01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:14.695
council has um become iconic the week

01:22:14.719 --> 01:22:17.719
before the Formula 1. Um as far as

01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:20.840
benefits go, I I certainly have had the

01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:23.256
privilege of of of seeing the benefits

01:22:23.280 --> 01:22:26.280
of this event on the economy for um the

01:22:26.719 --> 01:22:29.719
the traders on Clarendon Street. I will

01:22:30.480 --> 01:22:33.480
support this special rates. It is um

01:22:34.400 --> 01:22:36.615
contentious at times and I find it

01:22:36.639 --> 01:22:38.296
interesting that both Port Melbourne and

01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:40.376
South Melbourne have got an 11.3 and

01:22:40.400 --> 01:22:43.400
11.2 rejection rate. The percentage is

01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.456
well within the tolerance. Um although I

01:22:46.480 --> 01:22:47.976
do want the people that have rejected

01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.135
this to know that I have read um all of

01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:52.615
your objections and and and and do

01:22:52.639 --> 01:22:54.135
understand

01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.456
um the circumstances and and and the

01:22:56.480 --> 01:22:58.376
challenges that you're facing just in

01:22:58.400 --> 01:23:00.215
different parts of the street that's

01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:03.239
affected differently. Um I do hope and

01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:06.056
trust that the organization and the

01:23:06.080 --> 01:23:07.496
traders committee will work with

01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:09.655
everyone to ensure that they get benefit

01:23:09.679 --> 01:23:11.896
from from this investment and it is an

01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:14.776
investment in our community. Um so I

01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.800
will support this um special levy for

01:23:20.480 --> 01:23:23.480
South Melbourne.

01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:25.976
Thank you councelor Jay for opening the

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.000
debate. Does the mover wish to second?

01:23:30.080 --> 01:23:32.135
Sorry, the seconder councelor Thomman,

01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:33.976
would you like to

01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:37.000
um as  councelor J said that South

01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:40.056
Melbourne Business Association has been

01:23:40.080 --> 01:23:42.615
working and doing lots of great things

01:23:42.639 --> 01:23:45.639
with without much money and this without

01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:49.159
the special rights. So um I think it's

01:23:49.679 --> 01:23:52.679
um it it has come from them to establish

01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:57.159
this game and I think it would be direct

01:23:57.440 --> 01:23:59.816
of us not to support them in that

01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:02.840
initiative. So I um I'm again as I said

01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.560
before thank you to all the people who

01:24:07.679 --> 01:24:10.679
are working um in the various committees

01:24:10.719 --> 01:24:13.719
through the City  to  entice

01:24:15.120 --> 01:24:18.120
um growth and good marketing initiatives

01:24:18.320 --> 01:24:21.320
through the City of Portford.

01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:24.520
Thank you councelor Timman second. Does

01:24:24.719 --> 01:24:26.376
any other councelor wish to speak to

01:24:26.400 --> 01:24:29.400
this motion? Yes, councelor Hardy.

01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.135
I'm not convinced the  charging of a

01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:33.655
special rate is pertinent to the South

01:24:33.679 --> 01:24:35.416
Melbourne business district at this

01:24:35.440 --> 01:24:37.655
time. The boundaries of the defined

01:24:37.679 --> 01:24:39.576
district show an ad hoc and weranging

01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:42.376
area showing some being difficult in its

01:24:42.400 --> 01:24:44.856
promotion. I've been contacted by some

01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:46.776
businesses in Coventry Street indicating

01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:49.800
a discord from the traders association.

01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:52.920
Coventry Street being  close to the

01:24:53.040 --> 01:24:55.336
South Melbourne market, its marketing is

01:24:55.360 --> 01:24:58.360
tied to the market and its promotion. In

01:24:58.639 --> 01:25:01.639
section 4.3 of the report, only 129 of

01:25:01.679 --> 01:25:04.679
the 226 businesses canvas supported the

01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:07.655
special rate being just over half at

01:25:07.679 --> 01:25:09.256
57%.

01:25:09.280 --> 01:25:12.280
In my opinion, it is too low. I would

01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:14.936
urge councilors to support option two in

01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.256
2.5 and not proceed with the special

01:25:17.280 --> 01:25:20.135
rate. I ask for it to be reconsidered in

01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:22.456
12 months time again measuring the

01:25:22.480 --> 01:25:24.936
support objection to the establishment

01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:27.960
of a special rate. Thank you. Thank you

01:25:28.480 --> 01:25:30.456
councelor Hardy. Any other counselor

01:25:30.480 --> 01:25:33.480
wish to speak? Yes, you can clarify

01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:35.976
to what?

01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:38.536
No, it's just debate.

01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.560
You can speak to the motion. However,

01:25:44.639 --> 01:25:47.639
 I support  the traders in  South

01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:52.440
Melbourne to have the self-determination

01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:54.936
over their own marketing activities and

01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:56.776
to collectively raise money so that they

01:25:56.800 --> 01:25:59.256
can promote their street. So, I will be

01:25:59.280 --> 01:26:02.280
supporting this one tonight.

01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:04.615
Thank you, councelor Holidayiday. Any

01:26:04.639 --> 01:26:06.376
other councelor wish to speak to the

01:26:06.400 --> 01:26:08.615
item before us?

01:26:08.639 --> 01:26:11.016
going once, going twice, in which case

01:26:11.040 --> 01:26:13.496
no other counselors back to the mover to

01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:16.376
close.

01:26:16.400 --> 01:26:18.456
Um,

01:26:18.480 --> 01:26:20.776
I do want to recognize

01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.576
that the traders on Coventry Street who

01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.256
are the ones that that that

01:26:25.280 --> 01:26:28.280
predominantly um are objecting to this,

01:26:28.639 --> 01:26:30.376
they have a different landscape. They're

01:26:30.400 --> 01:26:31.816
very close to the South Melbourne

01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:33.736
markets. There's there's there's a lot

01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.695
of traffic and trade there. And the

01:26:36.719 --> 01:26:38.376
reason for my questioning earlier is

01:26:38.400 --> 01:26:41.175
because their biggest problem is um not

01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:43.496
marketing, it's antisocial behavior,

01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:46.520
security and and and and danger on that

01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:48.615
street. Now, South Melbourne has its own

01:26:48.639 --> 01:26:51.256
sets of problems and sometimes um no

01:26:51.280 --> 01:26:53.175
matter what no matter how much marketing

01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:55.416
money you throw at something, it still

01:26:55.440 --> 01:26:57.976
doesn't fix certain fundamental issues

01:26:58.000 --> 01:26:59.655
which we're challenged with in South

01:26:59.679 --> 01:27:02.056
Melbourne. So as much as I know there

01:27:02.080 --> 01:27:05.080
will be a lot of  traders um

01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:08.360
celebrating  you know having that that

01:27:08.400 --> 01:27:10.536
agency over their own their own

01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:13.096
community, there will be a few that um

01:27:13.120 --> 01:27:16.120
will be quite frustrated and still 

01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:19.560
wanting um a a solution to the

01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:21.896
antisocial behavior that does come down

01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.920
on Coventry Street. So, um I do respect

01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:28.536
Rod Hardy your your point and and and

01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:30.296
certainly know that a lot of the traders

01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:33.320
also um will be appreciative of your of

01:27:35.120 --> 01:27:38.120
your views. So, thank you to everyone

01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.615
involved.

01:27:40.639 --> 01:27:42.376
Thank you. And thank you councelor Jay

01:27:42.400 --> 01:27:44.615
for closing the debate in which case the

01:27:44.639 --> 01:27:46.776
motion has been put. So, we'll take a

01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:49.800
vote for the recommendations before us.

01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:52.920
All those in favor? We have councelor

01:27:53.280 --> 01:27:56.280
Timman, deputy Mayor Mes, , councelor

01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.096
Buckingham, councelor Consolo, councelor

01:27:59.120 --> 01:28:01.096
Crawford, councelor Holidayiday, and

01:28:01.120 --> 01:28:04.120
councelor Jay plus myself,

01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:07.159
councelor Makin, although

01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:10.760
councelor Hardy

01:28:11.280 --> 01:28:14.280
is carried 81.

01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:16.776
All right, we've been here for an hour

01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:18.296
and a half, so I'm going to call a

01:28:18.320 --> 01:28:20.456
10-minute break so we can get 

01:28:20.480 --> 01:28:23.416
refreshments and I'll see us back here

01:28:23.440 --> 01:28:24.856
at I'm actually going to make it a

01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.880
little bit longer. Quarter 8.

01:28:29.120 --> 01:28:32.056
And we're back in action. And we're up

01:28:32.080 --> 01:28:35.080
to item 11.3. This is 13 to 21 Palmerson

01:28:37.040 --> 01:28:38.695
Cresant, South Melbourne, planning

01:28:38.719 --> 01:28:41.719
application 916 2014/A.

01:28:43.360 --> 01:28:46.360
Any questions for the item before us?

01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:50.199
Yes, councelor Joe.

01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:53.800
Um, I have a few questions. Sorry, bear

01:28:54.480 --> 01:28:57.480
with me. Um,

01:28:58.480 --> 01:29:01.480
the questions are around the the the

01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:04.936
permit. Are we talking about 11.3?

01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:07.416
Sorry, me. Um questions are about the

01:29:07.440 --> 01:29:10.440
permit um and in general  planning

01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:13.336
applications, permits and when they

01:29:13.360 --> 01:29:16.296
expire, how much leeway there is to

01:29:16.320 --> 01:29:19.320
renew them. Um and the next question is

01:29:19.440 --> 01:29:21.896
 and why did this particular permit go

01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:24.920
to delegation

01:29:27.280 --> 01:29:30.280
through you may um planning permits 

01:29:30.480 --> 01:29:32.856
the ability to extend them is offered in

01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:34.615
a mechanism in the planning environment

01:29:34.639 --> 01:29:37.639
act section 69  that provides that a

01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:40.776
person um or another person with the

01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:42.615
owner's consent can apply for an

01:29:42.639 --> 01:29:44.776
extension of time um either before the

01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.856
permit expires or in the case of

01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.576
commence ment um within 6 months of the

01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:52.600
expiry date. Um so when you consider an

01:29:54.639 --> 01:29:56.856
extension of time um that it's tested

01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:59.880
against um a pretty prominent planning

01:30:00.320 --> 01:30:02.456
decision known as canour um and in the

01:30:02.480 --> 01:30:04.856
case of the most recent extension um

01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:07.736
that was applicable and it was deemed to

01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:09.416
be an acceptable outcome to extend the

01:30:09.440 --> 01:30:12.440
existing permit.

01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:16.215
I'd love to another ask another question

01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:19.239
about um

01:30:21.440 --> 01:30:24.440
when this original permit was issued

01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.135
and how many extensions that they have

01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:30.856
had

01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:33.496
through you may.  the permit was

01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:36.056
issued u at the direction of VCAT on the

01:30:36.080 --> 01:30:39.080
31st of December 2015.

01:30:39.280 --> 01:30:41.496
Um since that time it has been extended

01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:43.655
on three occasions most recently of

01:30:43.679 --> 01:30:46.679
January this year.

01:30:47.360 --> 01:30:50.360
Um is there any  is there any com

01:30:53.440 --> 01:30:55.175
in the planning department? Obviously

01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:57.655
you guys are experts. Is there any

01:30:57.679 --> 01:31:00.536
limitations to when you need to actually

01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:03.560
construct by  2015 seems quite a um

01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:06.856
quite a long way away and the

01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:08.695
landscape's changed a lot. So is there

01:31:08.719 --> 01:31:10.376
any levers on on when on when someone

01:31:10.400 --> 01:31:13.400
needs to develop?

01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:16.615
Section 68 of the planning environment

01:31:16.639 --> 01:31:19.175
act sets forth  standard time frames

01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:20.615
for the commencement and completion of

01:31:20.639 --> 01:31:23.639
development. Um as of time today um a

01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:26.936
typical the standard time frame would be

01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:29.336
3 years to start and 5 years to complete

01:31:29.360 --> 01:31:31.976
from the date of issue. Um there's been

01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:34.215
some notable VCAT decisions particularly

01:31:34.239 --> 01:31:37.175
Hotel Windsor um which generally require

01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:39.416
the decision maker to have regard to the

01:31:39.440 --> 01:31:41.336
complexity and the type of development

01:31:41.360 --> 01:31:44.360
when considering the length of time um

01:31:45.440 --> 01:31:48.440
included on a permit in that regard.

01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:53.000
Um so so three to start, five to finish,

01:31:53.040 --> 01:31:56.040
that's eight years. Yes.

01:31:56.639 --> 01:31:59.639
Is it unusual to have a permit um you

01:32:00.080 --> 01:32:03.080
know over 10 years and Yep.

01:32:06.639 --> 01:32:09.639
through you may um not particularly in

01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:13.159
in the context of a large and complex

01:32:14.400 --> 01:32:16.695
development such as what is the permit

01:32:16.719 --> 01:32:19.655
currently allows um and also the range

01:32:19.679 --> 01:32:22.456
of  economic um factors which have

01:32:22.480 --> 01:32:25.480
contributed to delays.

01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:28.456
All right. And then I also noticed that

01:32:28.480 --> 01:32:31.480
this building is for sale. Um, if

01:32:31.679 --> 01:32:34.679
someone does buy it, can , you know,

01:32:35.120 --> 01:32:37.016
does does the new owner will they be

01:32:37.040 --> 01:32:39.016
able to come in and make changes as well

01:32:39.040 --> 01:32:42.040
or is this the the final the final cut

01:32:44.639 --> 01:32:46.936
through you may? Um, if the property

01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:49.336
does exchange hands, it would be open

01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:52.360
for the new prospective purchaser to

01:32:52.480 --> 01:32:54.056
make changes to the permit providing

01:32:54.080 --> 01:32:55.976
that the permit is valid and those

01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:57.576
changes would would be considered on

01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:59.016
their merits through a planning permit

01:32:59.040 --> 01:33:02.040
application such as this.

01:33:02.719 --> 01:33:04.776
All right. Thank you very much for that

01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:06.536
clarification

01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:09.496
and councelor consult.

01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:12.520
Thank you. In  2017 the state

01:33:13.120 --> 01:33:15.816
government brought in the um better

01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:17.576
apartment building standards design

01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:20.600
standards and that obviously is after

01:33:21.440 --> 01:33:23.416
this permit the original grandfathered

01:33:23.440 --> 01:33:26.440
one. However, in extensions that has

01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:30.440
become new information. So why has that

01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.175
not had to be considered because those

01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:36.199
are good provisions for um within these

01:33:36.719 --> 01:33:39.719
buildings make them more livable?

01:33:41.360 --> 01:33:43.576
Good question through you may um the

01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:45.655
application benefits from a transitional

01:33:45.679 --> 01:33:48.215
provision um which is was inserted at

01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:49.816
the same time into the commercial one

01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:52.615
zone which means that the requirements

01:33:52.639 --> 01:33:55.639
of clause 58 do not apply. Um when

01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:57.976
considering an extension of time, you do

01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:01.000
have regard to um amendments that have

01:34:01.120 --> 01:34:03.736
had effect um in the inter intervening

01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:06.760
period. Um but in the circumstances

01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:09.880
presented um that were not considered

01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:12.296
sufficient reason to warrant the refusal

01:34:12.320 --> 01:34:15.320
of an extension of time.

01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:17.416
Council console

01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:19.496
hopefully this is fair to ask that in

01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:22.135
your review of the proposal do you find

01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:24.056
that some of the standards that were

01:34:24.080 --> 01:34:26.615
brought in to make these better places

01:34:26.639 --> 01:34:28.695
are present in that application or

01:34:28.719 --> 01:34:31.719
absent

01:34:34.320 --> 01:34:36.456
notwithstanding that a formal assessment

01:34:36.480 --> 01:34:39.016
against course 58 has not been completed

01:34:39.040 --> 01:34:41.655
um on the basis that it is not required

01:34:41.679 --> 01:34:44.679
um the application does the dwellings

01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:46.615
forming part of the existing approval

01:34:46.639 --> 01:34:47.655
which are not changing in this

01:34:47.679 --> 01:34:50.679
application um do are well proportioned

01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:53.096
um and considered to provide a

01:34:53.120 --> 01:34:54.695
reasonable standard of amenity.

01:34:54.719 --> 01:34:56.536
Thank you.

01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:59.560
Further questions councilors

01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:05.960
councelor Jay. Yes. Um  I believe that

01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:10.840
in 2024 in this very chamber there was

01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:14.856
um a motion passed requiring this

01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:17.880
particular building to  to have

01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:22.215
visitors car parks on site for things

01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:25.175
like  trades, carers, cleaners,

01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.256
service providers. I believe that it was

01:35:27.280 --> 01:35:30.280
even prescribed at 10. Um, are those

01:35:30.320 --> 01:35:33.320
visitors parking still included in this

01:35:34.400 --> 01:35:37.400
new application?

01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:42.776
Through you, Mayor. Um, the proposal

01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.800
does not contain um any visitor parking.

01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:49.800
Um, the understanding that the that

01:35:50.719 --> 01:35:53.719
motion was in 2014. Um, more recently in

01:35:55.360 --> 01:35:58.360
December 2025, the state government

01:35:58.639 --> 01:36:00.456
introduced a planning scheme amendment

01:36:00.480 --> 01:36:02.695
known as VC277

01:36:02.719 --> 01:36:04.536
which fundamentally changed the

01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:06.936
operation of the car parking provisions

01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:09.016
within the Victorian planning provisions

01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:11.336
and then therefore by extension the Port

01:36:11.360 --> 01:36:14.360
Phillip scheme. Um as a result of that

01:36:14.400 --> 01:36:16.856
 there is no requirement for visitor

01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:19.880
car parking to be included um or form

01:36:20.639 --> 01:36:23.639
part of the revised proposal.

01:36:25.120 --> 01:36:27.816
So if this building was to go ahead as a

01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.615
complete build to rent legally according

01:36:30.639 --> 01:36:33.416
to the new um I know I'm testing you

01:36:33.440 --> 01:36:36.135
they're all very new the the the new um

01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:39.159
December 25 changes. How many car parks

01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:43.960
would this legally require? And I'm not

01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:45.416
talking visitors, I'm talking

01:36:45.440 --> 01:36:48.440
residential, the whole the whole gamut.

01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:53.159
Through you, Mayor. Um, if the proposal

01:36:53.280 --> 01:36:55.256
was considered today, it would be

01:36:55.280 --> 01:36:57.655
subject to a zero car parking minimum,

01:36:57.679 --> 01:36:59.816
meaning that no car parking spaces could

01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:01.576
be provided and there would be no

01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:03.736
discretion to um consider that

01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:06.760
unacceptable.

01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:09.336
Thank you for that. Councelor

01:37:09.360 --> 01:37:11.336
Holidayiday

01:37:11.360 --> 01:37:13.016
and sorry for I might be asking a

01:37:13.040 --> 01:37:15.416
duplicative question here

01:37:15.440 --> 01:37:18.440
if we were considering this normally um

01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.056
sorry H as we're considering this right

01:37:22.080 --> 01:37:25.080
now do we have any mechanism to mandate

01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:29.000
visitor car parking on this on this

01:37:29.440 --> 01:37:32.440
development

01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:36.456
speaking with planning conditions um

01:37:36.480 --> 01:37:39.016
case law is kind of summated ated at two

01:37:39.040 --> 01:37:41.336
key questions when you decide to put a

01:37:41.360 --> 01:37:43.336
condition on a permit. Firstly, it needs

01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:45.576
to be reasonable and the second test is

01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.576
it relevant? The relevant test is have

01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:50.056
regard to the reasons why a permits

01:37:50.080 --> 01:37:51.655
required and also in the case of a

01:37:51.679 --> 01:37:53.896
section 72 amendment such as this, you

01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:55.336
need to have regard to what the actual

01:37:55.360 --> 01:37:58.360
changes are. Um in that context my

01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:00.615
professional opinion would be that it

01:38:00.639 --> 01:38:03.639
there is um no head of power or it would

01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:06.056
not be relevant um by virtue of there

01:38:06.080 --> 01:38:08.135
being no decision guidelines which call

01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:11.016
council officers to consider um the car

01:38:11.040 --> 01:38:12.695
parking provision on the basis that it's

01:38:12.719 --> 01:38:15.719
above the zero um minimum and there's no

01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.840
set maximum. Um so to to to answer your

01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:21.816
question um my professional opinion

01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:24.056
would be it wouldn't pass those tests um

01:38:24.080 --> 01:38:27.080
and therefore it would be difficult or

01:38:28.320 --> 01:38:30.536
challenging to defend at VCAT as a

01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:33.560
result.

01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:39.416
Any further questions?

01:38:39.440 --> 01:38:42.135
Councelor Crawford. Um but is there not

01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:44.856
a requirement and maybe it's a noting

01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:46.456
for the actual functionality of a

01:38:46.480 --> 01:38:49.095
building. Um and noting that in any

01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:50.695
functioning building built to rent or

01:38:50.719 --> 01:38:52.776
otherwise there needs to be spaces for

01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:55.016
some kind of vehicles to deliver

01:38:55.040 --> 01:38:56.936
especially in an area where there is no

01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:58.856
street parking you know and a highly

01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.880
densified area. So is it is there

01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:04.456
anywhere around the functionality that

01:39:04.480 --> 01:39:05.896
we would need to consider that that

01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:08.615
would actually be a practical step for a

01:39:08.639 --> 01:39:11.639
building

01:39:13.040 --> 01:39:15.175
through you may um it firstly

01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:17.816
acknowledged that the existing proposal

01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:20.296
um hasn't a loading bay um which is

01:39:20.320 --> 01:39:22.856
capable of accommodating a medium 

01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:25.095
sized vehicle which is objectively quite

01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:27.816
large. um from a practicality standpoint

01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:29.896
and considering what the this planning

01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.856
application is seeking to do um it's not

01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:34.695
seeking to change there's no rather

01:39:34.719 --> 01:39:36.215
there's no permission required to change

01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:38.456
the delivery model from build to from

01:39:38.480 --> 01:39:40.456
bill to sell to bill to rent. So

01:39:40.480 --> 01:39:43.480
essentially the the mechanisms of how

01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:46.520
you would um consider the use are not or

01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:50.199
outside the scope of this assessment. Um

01:39:51.280 --> 01:39:53.655
unloading and unloading

01:39:53.679 --> 01:39:56.135
would very likely be undertaken within

01:39:56.159 --> 01:39:59.159
that loading bay and um just generally

01:39:59.280 --> 01:40:02.280
within the car parking area itself.

01:40:08.480 --> 01:40:10.536
Councelor Console,

01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:13.560
I've got two more questions. Um, some of

01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:15.416
the objections have been around

01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:17.655
inconsistencies in the permit and the

01:40:17.679 --> 01:40:19.576
architect's name and just a few things

01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:22.056
that just don't add up. Can you speak to

01:40:22.080 --> 01:40:24.215
that to clarify why that might be the

01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:26.456
case and including some images that have

01:40:26.480 --> 01:40:28.376
been seen around the site versus what

01:40:28.400 --> 01:40:31.400
has been applied for

01:40:33.360 --> 01:40:35.416
through you may. Um it it is

01:40:35.440 --> 01:40:37.736
acknowledged that the planning report

01:40:37.760 --> 01:40:39.095
that was submitted with the application

01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:41.256
did contain an incorrect reference to a

01:40:41.280 --> 01:40:43.736
street I believe in the City of Gar. Um

01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:46.760
that error was identified and was deemed

01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:50.600
um both isolated and not of such a

01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:52.856
magnitude that it would affect ability

01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:54.615
to properly understand the application

01:40:54.639 --> 01:40:57.175
given it was  solely located in the

01:40:57.199 --> 01:41:00.056
locational section of the report. Um,

01:41:00.080 --> 01:41:02.215
with respect to the real estate

01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.456
advertising signage, it is appreciated

01:41:04.480 --> 01:41:07.416
that the images depicted on the sign at

01:41:07.440 --> 01:41:09.175
the front of the site do differ from the

01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:12.135
plans that have been submitted and

01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.159
consequently assessed. Um, ultimately

01:41:15.679 --> 01:41:17.095
there is condition on the existing

01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:18.615
permit which would require the

01:41:18.639 --> 01:41:19.976
development to be carried out in

01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:22.056
accordance with the endorsed plans and

01:41:22.080 --> 01:41:24.296
any deviation from those plans may be

01:41:24.320 --> 01:41:27.016
subject to enforcement. Um and if

01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:28.936
changes were proposed, it would again go

01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:31.655
through the planning permit process.

01:41:31.679 --> 01:41:34.215
And next question is about um more

01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:37.016
objections to the change from commercial

01:41:37.040 --> 01:41:39.736
and  retail spaces on the ground floor

01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.615
to being resident only facilities. If 

01:41:42.639 --> 01:41:44.776
in the future those what I've seen

01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:46.215
lately is that there's like wellness

01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.695
centers that are for the users, but it

01:41:48.719 --> 01:41:50.695
could easily be brought back out to a

01:41:50.719 --> 01:41:53.655
commercial um delivery based on access

01:41:53.679 --> 01:41:55.256
and however they run the business. But

01:41:55.280 --> 01:41:57.095
is that a change of planning use where

01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:59.336
they'd have to come back to have that

01:41:59.360 --> 01:42:01.896
switch back to a more commercial

01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:04.536
offering?

01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:07.560
Um through you may um it would come down

01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:11.016
to the permissions  required under the

01:42:11.040 --> 01:42:12.776
commercial one zone. The commercial one

01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:15.800
zone is quite forgiving in terms of um

01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:18.920
office and u retail uses. Um, a

01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:23.175
wellness center would likely fall under

01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:24.695
the category of a restricted

01:42:24.719 --> 01:42:25.976
recreational precinct, which my

01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:27.816
understanding might be a section two use

01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.296
and would require permission. Um, the

01:42:30.320 --> 01:42:33.016
benefit of the changes being proposed by

01:42:33.040 --> 01:42:35.016
the application is that there's not so

01:42:35.040 --> 01:42:37.576
significant that it could be reconverted

01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:39.256
um into what it currently is at the

01:42:39.280 --> 01:42:42.280
moment. So, yes. Yeah.

01:42:42.480 --> 01:42:45.480
Councelor Joy.

01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.456
Um just something that was touched on

01:42:48.480 --> 01:42:51.480
there by councelor Consolo. Um the

01:42:53.280 --> 01:42:56.280
image on the for sale board, they are

01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.655
not the endorsed plans. Is that image

01:42:59.679 --> 01:43:02.056
the plans that we may potentially

01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:04.776
endorse or is that just a lifestyle

01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:07.800
image?

01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:10.856
Through you may. Um that is the image

01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:12.376
displayed on the current real estate

01:43:12.400 --> 01:43:14.215
board has not formed part of any

01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:16.695
planning permit application um and would

01:43:16.719 --> 01:43:18.856
be purely an artist impression um used

01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:21.880
as marketing material.

01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:26.920
Um considering that this site is being

01:43:27.280 --> 01:43:30.280
sold with the permit is that legal

01:43:34.639 --> 01:43:36.456
from a goods and services? Sorry, you

01:43:36.480 --> 01:43:39.480
may not be the person to um answer that

01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:45.896
through you. Um I I don't have an answer

01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:47.655
for that one. I'm sorry.

01:43:47.679 --> 01:43:49.736
Sorry, I'll ask you an easier question.

01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:52.760
Um if the residents need a removalist

01:43:53.040 --> 01:43:55.336
truck, is there somewhere on site for

01:43:55.360 --> 01:43:58.215
that removalist truck to unload all

01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:00.056
their belongings? I think you mentioned

01:44:00.080 --> 01:44:01.816
that there was one loading zone for a

01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:04.056
medium size vehicle. Would that cover a

01:44:04.080 --> 01:44:07.080
removal truck?

01:44:07.360 --> 01:44:10.296
 through you may um yes there is a

01:44:10.320 --> 01:44:11.976
designated loading bay on the site and

01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:13.496
it's accessed through the southern

01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:16.520
laneway network. Um medium truck might

01:44:17.360 --> 01:44:18.695
have been under selling it. It's a

01:44:18.719 --> 01:44:20.296
medium rigid vehicle under the

01:44:20.320 --> 01:44:23.320
Australian standards which is um from

01:44:23.360 --> 01:44:25.175
memory has a length of about seven or

01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:26.695
eight meters. So it's quite a large

01:44:26.719 --> 01:44:29.719
vehicle.

01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:31.976
Thank you

01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:33.736
councelor Crawford. Would I be able to

01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:35.416
ask the applicant a question if they're

01:44:35.440 --> 01:44:36.776
still online? I can't remember his name

01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:39.095
and I've deleted the email. Is that

01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:42.119
possible? Please

01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:45.736
is he

01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:47.976
Anthony? Anthony, can you um this is

01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:51.000
councelor Crawford. Can you hear me?

01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:53.256
Yes, I can. Councelor Crawford, go

01:44:53.280 --> 01:44:53.736
ahead.

01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:55.736
Hi, Anthony. Obviously, one of the

01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:58.760
challenges in this area is around um

01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:01.016
people just having um being able to have

01:45:01.040 --> 01:45:02.536
not just tradies, but people coming and

01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:03.976
parking using visitor parking for a

01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:06.695
short space of time. Is there a

01:45:06.719 --> 01:45:09.719
willingness from you um to con to take

01:45:11.040 --> 01:45:12.776
five of the current car spaces that you

01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:14.776
have and turn them into visitor parking?

01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.016
Noting that I um live in a building

01:45:17.040 --> 01:45:19.256
where we use technology that manages

01:45:19.280 --> 01:45:21.095
those those spots and it's it's it's

01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:22.536
very easy and straightforward. Would

01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:25.496
that be something you're open to?

01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:27.416
 yes, thanks Councelor Crawford. Yes,

01:45:27.440 --> 01:45:29.576
we would be amendable to allowing for

01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:32.600
five visitor car spaces on the plans. Um

01:45:33.360 --> 01:45:35.016
and we think the best way of doing so

01:45:35.040 --> 01:45:36.536
would be inserting a condition of

01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:39.496
approval that requires five spaces to be

01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:41.655
marked as visitor parking and then that

01:45:41.679 --> 01:45:43.976
way if the plans were to be endorsed um

01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:45.175
the future development would have to

01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.016
provide those five car parking spaces on

01:45:47.040 --> 01:45:48.856
the site for visitors.

01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:50.536
Yep. I think I think I might take that

01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:52.135
because I know the technology can manage

01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:53.976
it very easily too so that you can book

01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.695
it. It's all right. Thank you.

01:45:56.719 --> 01:45:59.719
Councelor Thomman, do you

01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:03.655
what we heard not just now maybe my

01:46:03.679 --> 01:46:05.336
question is not but I was just say can

01:46:05.360 --> 01:46:08.296
we mandate  if we can increase 

01:46:08.320 --> 01:46:10.215
obviously the applicant is prepared to

01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:12.615
add the five spaces but said can we have

01:46:12.639 --> 01:46:15.576
a bigger loading zone for cars but

01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.296
obviously   this question is not

01:46:18.320 --> 01:46:20.056
relevant anymore because the applicant

01:46:20.080 --> 01:46:22.376
is happy to have five car spaces for

01:46:22.400 --> 01:46:24.936
services and stuff but But your own

01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:26.135
question.

01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:29.159
So, but the next one, can we  mandate

01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:32.215
um sizes for loading bays and stuff, you

01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:34.536
know, in the future for  if we can't

01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:36.856
put car parking for residents, but can

01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:39.880
we force big bigger size loading bays

01:46:40.400 --> 01:46:41.816
and stuff in development? Is that

01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:43.655
something that's allowed by PL the

01:46:43.679 --> 01:46:46.679
planning scheme?

01:46:47.679 --> 01:46:49.416
So, the height obviously the of the

01:46:49.440 --> 01:46:51.816
loading bay because if it's too low, 

01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:54.840
truck can't actually access

01:46:56.480 --> 01:46:59.336
 through you may um speaking on

01:46:59.360 --> 01:47:01.816
applications that were to come forward

01:47:01.840 --> 01:47:04.376
for that kind of to be submitted. Um

01:47:04.400 --> 01:47:07.095
yes, there there is a ability to require

01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:09.976
loading to be undertaken um fully on

01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:12.135
site and in assessing an application

01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:13.816
you'd have regard to the types of

01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:15.095
service vehicles that would be

01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:18.119
reasonably  expected to visit the site

01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:21.496
and design accordingly. local policy

01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:23.655
calls for loading and unloading to be

01:47:23.679 --> 01:47:25.655
within site boundaries and away from

01:47:25.679 --> 01:47:28.679
public view. Um and that would form um I

01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:31.655
guess direction for officers to to seek

01:47:31.679 --> 01:47:33.976
that outcome.

01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.000
Deputy Mayor Mes. Thank you  Mayor. My

01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:40.936
question is  given the  willingness

01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:43.960
of the developer to provide the five

01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:47.000
spaces we spoke of, how best would we

01:47:48.080 --> 01:47:51.080
proceed to ensure that is put 

01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:54.695
enshrined in the um application and the

01:47:54.719 --> 01:47:57.719
approval process so that

01:47:57.840 --> 01:48:00.056
down the track there there can be no

01:48:00.080 --> 01:48:03.080
confusion about the commitment.

01:48:04.719 --> 01:48:07.095
U through you Mayor. Um I believe Paul

01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:08.695
Walker is going to  Paul Wood's going

01:48:08.719 --> 01:48:11.719
to answer that question.

01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:15.816
 thank you for the question Deputy um

01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:17.896
Mayor.

01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:20.920
The most appropriate way to modify a

01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:24.056
proposal is through a formal amendment

01:48:24.080 --> 01:48:26.296
to the application. But where we in this

01:48:26.320 --> 01:48:27.816
situation

01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:30.695
um  the only option that we have is to

01:48:30.719 --> 01:48:33.256
condition. Um there are risks associated

01:48:33.280 --> 01:48:36.280
with applying conditions um  where 

01:48:37.679 --> 01:48:40.679
um Samuel's already identified that 

01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:43.576
it doesn't necessarily relate to the

01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:45.736
permit that is being granted and the

01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:47.736
provisions um but I would still

01:48:47.760 --> 01:48:50.296
recommend that a condition is the most

01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:52.296
appropriate way to secure this at this

01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:54.695
stage.

01:48:54.719 --> 01:48:56.776
Further question deputy Mayor.

01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:59.800
Well my question is to Anthony on that

01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:03.159
basis. Do you find that  condition 

01:49:04.639 --> 01:49:07.639
acceptable?

01:49:09.600 --> 01:49:11.416
 yes, counselor, we do find that

01:49:11.440 --> 01:49:14.440
condition acceptable.

01:49:15.280 --> 01:49:18.280
Any further questions

01:49:20.400 --> 01:49:23.400
in which case there is

01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:26.536
sorry councelor sorry just following up

01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:29.560
on  deputy Mayor Mia's question. And

01:49:30.080 --> 01:49:32.215
what is the mechanism by which we

01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:32.695
condition?

01:49:32.719 --> 01:49:35.095
Yeah, we condition this like what are we

01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:38.119
what are we going to be approving here?

01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.000
Yep.

01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:51.560
Any further questions?

01:49:54.400 --> 01:49:56.695
In which case is there a recommendation?

01:49:56.719 --> 01:49:58.056
There's a recommendation before us. Is

01:49:58.080 --> 01:49:59.576
it a council that wishes to move that or

01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:01.496
an alternate?

01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:03.416
Councelor Jay.

01:50:03.440 --> 01:50:05.256
Um, Mayor, I've got an alternative

01:50:05.280 --> 01:50:06.936
recommendation.

01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:09.496
Thank you. We will put that on the

01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:12.376
screen and you'll need to

01:50:12.400 --> 01:50:15.400
read the items that have been amended

01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:17.496
slash added.

01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:19.655
All right. I cannot see the screen, but

01:50:19.679 --> 01:50:22.056
I believe you've sent me the message.

01:50:22.080 --> 01:50:23.336
Yep.

01:50:23.360 --> 01:50:26.360
Is it read this from here?

01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:31.880
Um changes in red um for option M 3.21

01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:40.840
M  an inclusion of a minimum of five

01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.336
car parking spaces allocated for the

01:50:43.360 --> 01:50:46.360
sole use as visitor car parking.

01:50:47.440 --> 01:50:50.440
And then further down, part B in 3.3

01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:53.816
notes that the amended planning permit

01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:56.840
will expire on the 31st of December 2027

01:50:57.440 --> 01:51:00.215
if the development has not commenced. If

01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:02.456
an extension of time request is made to

01:51:02.480 --> 01:51:04.856
further extend the expiry date that

01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:06.936
councilors have the power under the City

01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:09.576
of Port Phillip S6 instrument of

01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:12.600
delegation to members of staff to call

01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:15.095
in an extension of time request for

01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:17.736
determination at a council or planning

01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.135
committee meeting.

01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:21.496
Thank you Mayor.

01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:23.256
Thank you. There is an alternate

01:51:23.280 --> 01:51:25.336
recommendation before us and 

01:51:25.360 --> 01:51:28.360
councelor Jay has read those changes.

01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:31.736
So, councelor Jay has put forward that

01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:33.655
alternate recommendation and is moving.

01:51:33.679 --> 01:51:36.376
Is there a seconder to this item?

01:51:36.400 --> 01:51:39.095
Seconded. Deputy Mayor M.

01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:42.119
Does the mover wish to speak?

01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:44.135
I do.

01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:47.159
Um, I'm not a planning expert,

01:51:47.440 --> 01:51:49.256
but I have lived in this precinct for

01:51:49.280 --> 01:51:52.056
over two decades. , we are supportive

01:51:52.080 --> 01:51:53.896
of development. We are literally the

01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:56.135
City's edge. But what we do want is we

01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:59.159
want good neighbors with good amenity.

01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:02.215
um and and and and just a really great

01:52:02.239 --> 01:52:04.135
community.

01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:06.695
Parking is a premium in in the domain

01:52:06.719 --> 01:52:09.496
precinct. Um part of this is because

01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:11.655
we're constantly building buildings with

01:52:11.679 --> 01:52:13.256
not enough parking. So, it's really

01:52:13.280 --> 01:52:16.280
affected the street. Um  residents in

01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:20.199
this area regularly um miss deliveries.

01:52:20.639 --> 01:52:22.936
 trades are starting to reject jobs

01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:24.936
and carers can't actually come and care

01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:27.960
for our elderly. I do um commend

01:52:28.400 --> 01:52:30.856
councelor Crawford for her questioning

01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:33.575
um of the of of of the developer. Thank

01:52:33.599 --> 01:52:36.599
you Anthony and thank you for um

01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.095
supporting the residents in this

01:52:39.119 --> 01:52:41.336
community. We did receive a lot of

01:52:41.360 --> 01:52:42.776
object objections. A lot of the

01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:44.695
objection some of the objections weren't

01:52:44.719 --> 01:52:47.095
valid. Um there was people that just

01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:48.695
didn't understand the history of this

01:52:48.719 --> 01:52:51.175
site and the history of this permit. Um,

01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:53.655
I do want to say it is ironic that it is

01:52:53.679 --> 01:52:56.056
our only commercial car park in the

01:52:56.080 --> 01:52:58.856
community here in the precinct. Um, and

01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:01.816
it will be sad to see it go, but as I

01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:04.135
said, we do, um, welcome, ,

01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:07.016
development and a greater community. So,

01:53:07.040 --> 01:53:09.256
um, I look to the councilors for your

01:53:09.280 --> 01:53:11.896
support in this.

01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:13.655
Thank you, councelor J. moving that

01:53:13.679 --> 01:53:15.816
alternate recommendation. Second, wish

01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:17.736
to speak. Deputy Mayor Mia, the floor is

01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:18.456
yours.

01:53:18.480 --> 01:53:21.480
Thank you, Mayor. Just briefly, um I

01:53:21.599 --> 01:53:24.599
commend the developer for his um support

01:53:24.639 --> 01:53:27.639
of these changes. They're vital changes.

01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:30.920
Um the precinct we're talking about and

01:53:31.280 --> 01:53:34.280
as it extends down to St Kilda Junction,

01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:37.960
 certainly parking is at a premium and

01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:42.760
that's one issue. The issue here is more

01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:46.520
particular in that a large development

01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:50.199
of this kind requires as a necessity a

01:53:51.040 --> 01:53:54.040
place for tradesmen and others to  be

01:53:55.840 --> 01:53:58.840
able to bring their um equipment etc to

01:53:59.679 --> 01:54:01.496
in order to service requirements in

01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:04.135
these sort of buildings. Also of course

01:54:04.159 --> 01:54:07.159
there's a provision by having  these

01:54:07.679 --> 01:54:10.679
 five spaces there is an automatic

01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:14.119
place for emergency vehicles ambulances

01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:17.960
 in particular. So  again I 

01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:22.119
commend  councelor Jay for pursuing

01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:25.800
this but also Anthony for his support of

01:54:27.119 --> 01:54:30.119
the slight change to the  development.

01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:33.655
So thank you

01:54:33.679 --> 01:54:35.496
The secondary has spoken. Councelor

01:54:35.520 --> 01:54:37.655
Consol, you wish to speak.

01:54:37.679 --> 01:54:39.175
Thank you. I watched a funny video

01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:40.856
yesterday on Facebook that was like

01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:42.856
someone woke up in a coma from 10 years

01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:44.456
ago and like you tell them everything

01:54:44.480 --> 01:54:45.655
that's changed and it was really

01:54:45.679 --> 01:54:47.095
fascinating to be like, "Oh my gosh,

01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:49.336
yeah, lots has changed." And so this

01:54:49.360 --> 01:54:51.816
permit is longer than that. And you just

01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:53.496
look at how many packages we get and

01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:55.336
then a little bit our car use has

01:54:55.360 --> 01:54:57.496
changed. And so to think that there's

01:54:57.520 --> 01:54:59.336
been little evolutions across this way,

01:54:59.360 --> 01:55:01.896
but really is it fit for purpose? And

01:55:01.920 --> 01:55:03.655
that's the question here today. And

01:55:03.679 --> 01:55:05.416
we're a bit limited because it's already

01:55:05.440 --> 01:55:06.936
been extended again. And so we're

01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:08.776
looking at what's been what's in front

01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:11.800
of us. But  I think about, you know, I

01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:13.575
could live without a car. Yeah. I mean,

01:55:13.599 --> 01:55:15.336
if I was going to go here, that would be

01:55:15.360 --> 01:55:17.416
my prerogative. I would be signing up

01:55:17.440 --> 01:55:20.135
willingly. But all the things I might

01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:23.159
need still need a car. So if I needed a

01:55:23.599 --> 01:55:25.736
carer or if I need someone to come drop

01:55:25.760 --> 01:55:28.760
off my kids just even for 5 10 minutes,

01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:30.936
if I needed someone to come fix

01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:32.776
electrical thing or plumbing, they all

01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:34.856
need carts. And so it's really important

01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:36.695
that we make sure that these are livable

01:55:36.719 --> 01:55:39.719
places.  and we are very limited. I'm

01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:42.536
very pleased that the applicant is

01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:44.135
willing to the five spaces. I think

01:55:44.159 --> 01:55:46.215
that's maybe not still enough given such

01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:48.456
a big building, but it is definitely a

01:55:48.480 --> 01:55:49.655
move in the right direction. It gives me

01:55:49.679 --> 01:55:52.056
a little bit more faith in it. So I

01:55:52.080 --> 01:55:55.080
think today we are

01:55:55.440 --> 01:55:58.296
wanting to see progress here and the

01:55:58.320 --> 01:56:01.016
idea that within two years if the

01:56:01.040 --> 01:56:03.016
building could get going we'd all be

01:56:03.040 --> 01:56:04.536
saying that's better than probably

01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:05.976
starting over which would take a lot

01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:08.135
longer. So I will support the amendment

01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:11.159
today as  written but knowing that we

01:56:12.320 --> 01:56:14.135
want this to be a serious development.

01:56:14.159 --> 01:56:15.976
We don't want this just to be sold and

01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:17.575
then kick down the road a little bit

01:56:17.599 --> 01:56:20.456
longer longer. this area even though we

01:56:20.480 --> 01:56:21.976
really do like the car park there now.

01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:23.816
That's very useful. a successful

01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:25.816
building would be what we want to see

01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:28.135
here ultimately. And yesterday we had

01:56:28.159 --> 01:56:30.615
the  design and development awards

01:56:30.639 --> 01:56:32.856
tour of all the projects that have been

01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:35.816
on um applied for and we saw some really

01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:37.896
good examples and I know that there's

01:56:37.920 --> 01:56:39.336
been a lot of learning in those places

01:56:39.360 --> 01:56:41.416
along the way that you can't just say

01:56:41.440 --> 01:56:42.936
that apartment building is now built to

01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:44.215
rent because they are very different

01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:46.776
beasts and to make sure that it all has

01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:49.800
the correct planning the right 

01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:51.896
consultants behind it. making sure that

01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:53.256
all the architects and everybody in the

01:56:53.280 --> 01:56:56.056
consultant team know what final product

01:56:56.080 --> 01:56:57.736
and the quality that's expected in the

01:56:57.760 --> 01:56:59.976
inner City and by the neighbors and in

01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:02.215
this area in a really difficult place

01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:04.615
that has been overdeveloped without a

01:57:04.639 --> 01:57:07.639
master plan that each site needs to be

01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:11.560
able to fit into that the piece of

01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:15.416
puzzle that goes there but also service

01:57:15.440 --> 01:57:17.736
within their building so that that

01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:19.655
overflow doesn't keep going out to the

01:57:19.679 --> 01:57:20.776
general public where it can't take

01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:23.800
anymore. more. Thank you.

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:25.496
Any other councilors wish to respect?

01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:28.520
Councelor Thomman.  just quickly um you

01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:31.336
know as councelor councelor said we were

01:57:31.360 --> 01:57:33.575
visiting all our great developments of

01:57:33.599 --> 01:57:35.416
the last two years as part of the design

01:57:35.440 --> 01:57:38.135
and development awards and we visited a

01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:41.159
couple of build to rent and  one of

01:57:41.599 --> 01:57:43.816
these five car spaces may be able to use

01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:46.840
for goget flexi car type thing because

01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:50.296
the build to rent actually offer in a

01:57:50.320 --> 01:57:53.320
car  as part of the services provided

01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:57.239
as part of the the rent they charge. So,

01:57:57.599 --> 01:58:00.536
 maybe the  the the decision we made

01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:03.560
tonight will um will bring  a rent a

01:58:04.560 --> 01:58:06.936
car type thing within the building and

01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:08.536
we'll actually allow to have one that

01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:10.215
would not have been allowed before. So,

01:58:10.239 --> 01:58:11.896
I think it's a good thing that we have

01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:14.920
done that and maybe the Anthony will be,

01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:16.376
you know, it'll be very pleased with the

01:58:16.400 --> 01:58:18.856
decision we're making tonight.

01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:21.256
Thank you, councelor Timman. Councelor

01:58:21.280 --> 01:58:22.776
Holidayiday.

01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:25.016
 thank you, Mayor. Look, um I've been

01:58:25.040 --> 01:58:28.040
a, you know, strong  supporter of um

01:58:30.960 --> 01:58:33.256
the or I am a strong supporter of the

01:58:33.280 --> 01:58:34.615
reduction in the car parking

01:58:34.639 --> 01:58:37.639
requirements of um areas near um near

01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:40.456
our transport hubs. And this one here is

01:58:40.480 --> 01:58:43.095
about as good as it can get. And I think

01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:44.936
it's um it's a good balance here that

01:58:44.960 --> 01:58:47.095
the  the development is offering

01:58:47.119 --> 01:58:50.119
parking in it. And I think that this um

01:58:50.239 --> 01:58:51.896
you know just to follow up on councelor

01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:54.135
Consol's point here, this amendment is

01:58:54.159 --> 01:58:55.896
really important because it's not good

01:58:55.920 --> 01:58:58.776
enough for developers to externalize the

01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:01.175
negatives of their development, i.e.

01:59:01.199 --> 01:59:03.336
pushing out onto the streets these extra

01:59:03.360 --> 01:59:05.496
functions for the rest of the community

01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:07.416
to bear. That's why it's important that

01:59:07.440 --> 01:59:09.416
things like visitor parking and other

01:59:09.440 --> 01:59:11.575
facilities are on site. And

01:59:11.599 --> 01:59:13.736
unfortunately the you know the proposed

01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:15.736
or the new state government rules don't

01:59:15.760 --> 01:59:17.655
really foresee that. they give us a very

01:59:17.679 --> 01:59:20.679
narrow margin for parking um to work

01:59:20.719 --> 01:59:23.719
within. So um again great that the  to

01:59:24.080 --> 01:59:25.896
hear that the applicant here is

01:59:25.920 --> 01:59:28.776
responsive to this um and hopefully this

01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:31.016
will reduce the burden on the on the

01:59:31.040 --> 01:59:34.040
local area there and see visitor parking

01:59:34.719 --> 01:59:36.615
accommodated on site. So I'm happy to

01:59:36.639 --> 01:59:38.536
support this.

01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:41.560
Any other counselors wish to speak?

01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:45.896
in which case no other counselors have

01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:48.536
indicated a desire to speak. So we'll

01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:50.615
move back to the mover to close the

01:59:50.639 --> 01:59:52.776
debate.

01:59:52.800 --> 01:59:55.095
Um I do also want to point out that

01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:57.976
there was um positive um comments from

01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.135
the residents about this the the these

02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:02.856
changes.  some of the positive were

02:00:02.880 --> 02:00:04.215
councelor Holidayiday will be happy to

02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:06.936
know there was um a great excitement at

02:00:06.960 --> 02:00:09.256
further bike parking on on this

02:00:09.280 --> 02:00:11.416
building. There was um residents that

02:00:11.440 --> 02:00:12.776
don't have enough parking in their

02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:14.615
building. So that was a positive.

02:00:14.639 --> 02:00:17.095
Turning the ground floor into a wellness

02:00:17.119 --> 02:00:19.336
area rather than keeping it empty and

02:00:19.360 --> 02:00:21.976
waiting for um some business to come in

02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:23.816
in a white elephant. That's also a

02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:25.655
positive. We would rather activated

02:00:25.679 --> 02:00:28.679
areas. Um just for anyone listening out

02:00:28.960 --> 02:00:30.776
there and and and you know guys, we

02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:32.215
probably should have asked for 10 spots

02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:35.239
and returned the 2024 decision. Um so

02:00:35.599 --> 02:00:37.816
five at a minimum. Um, but for any

02:00:37.840 --> 02:00:39.896
developers listening out there, you

02:00:39.920 --> 02:00:41.256
know, we just want the best for our

02:00:41.280 --> 02:00:42.695
community and we just want the best for

02:00:42.719 --> 02:00:44.615
our residents and and there is people

02:00:44.639 --> 02:00:46.536
that make up this community. So, things

02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:49.016
like parking and and loading zones and

02:00:49.040 --> 02:00:52.040
and um  you know, even postal lockers,

02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:53.976
they're all things that going forward we

02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:55.655
really would like to be considered just

02:00:55.679 --> 02:00:58.215
to increase our quality of life and and

02:00:58.239 --> 02:01:01.239
and our experience living in um

02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:04.376
highdensity living. So, um thank you

02:01:04.400 --> 02:01:05.976
counselors. Thank you for all your

02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:09.000
support. I do want to also um make it

02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:11.016
clear that this was not supported by our

02:01:11.040 --> 02:01:13.655
planning department. They follow rules

02:01:13.679 --> 02:01:16.679
very very well. So I do want to thank um

02:01:16.719 --> 02:01:18.296
all the counselors and officers for

02:01:18.320 --> 02:01:20.135
making this happen and thank you Anthony

02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:23.159
for your cooperation.

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Thank you. That debate is now closed and

02:01:26.080 --> 02:01:28.856
there's a motion before us. All those in

02:01:28.880 --> 02:01:31.175
favor

02:01:31.199 --> 02:01:34.199
that is carried unanimously.

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That takes us now to item 12.1,

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councelor expense reports for March 26.

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Any questions for officers for this

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item?

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No questions. First time this evening.

02:01:52.400 --> 02:01:55.400
 there's a recommendation before us.

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Is there a council that wishes to move?

02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:05.000
Move. Deputy Mayor. MI and seconded

02:02:05.360 --> 02:02:08.056
councelor Holidayiday. Does the mover

02:02:08.080 --> 02:02:11.080
wish to speak?

02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:14.199
Does the second wish to speak? Does any

02:02:14.320 --> 02:02:16.135
other councelor wish to speak to the

02:02:16.159 --> 02:02:19.159
item before us?

02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:21.896
In which case does the mover wish to

02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:24.856
close the debate

02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:27.175
here. So the motion is being put. All

02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:29.416
those in favor to item 12.1 of the

02:02:29.440 --> 02:02:32.376
recommendations within that motion is

02:02:32.400 --> 02:02:35.400
carried unanimously.

02:02:35.440 --> 02:02:38.440
Brings us now to item 12.2 council

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internal resolution procedure amendment.

02:02:41.599 --> 02:02:43.336
Any questions for officers for this

02:02:43.360 --> 02:02:46.360
item?

02:02:47.199 --> 02:02:49.016
No questions.

02:02:49.040 --> 02:02:51.575
Does there's a recommendation before us.

02:02:51.599 --> 02:02:53.336
Does a councelor wish to move this

02:02:53.360 --> 02:02:55.336
recommendation? That is moved. Councelor

02:02:55.360 --> 02:02:58.056
J. Seconded. Councelor Thomman, does the

02:02:58.080 --> 02:03:01.080
mover wish to speak?

02:03:02.320 --> 02:03:05.320
Um, yes, briefly. Um, I think this is a

02:03:05.520 --> 02:03:07.256
great recommendation for internal

02:03:07.280 --> 02:03:10.280
resolution procedures. Um,

02:03:11.840 --> 02:03:14.695
, it's it's either sort of zero to to

02:03:14.719 --> 02:03:17.095
to to full speed in the current

02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:20.119
situation. Um, so making this change and

02:03:20.960 --> 02:03:23.960
allowing that medium um is wellreceived.

02:03:25.360 --> 02:03:27.416
So I will support this.

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Thank you councelor J's mover. The is

02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:32.135
seconded. Councelor Timman, do you wish

02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:34.376
to speak to the motion? Just told that

02:03:34.400 --> 02:03:37.095
we don't have to use it.

02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:38.856
 councelor Consol, did you wish to

02:03:38.880 --> 02:03:39.816
speak to the motion?

02:03:39.840 --> 02:03:42.135
Yes, I actually I think this is a good

02:03:42.159 --> 02:03:45.159
one to add because we will inevitably

02:03:45.360 --> 02:03:47.976
have disagreements and the ability to

02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:51.000
have a mediator, somebody who talks us

02:03:51.360 --> 02:03:53.575
through it, can clear the air. I've seen

02:03:53.599 --> 02:03:55.496
it happen. It's so important for this to

02:03:55.520 --> 02:03:58.520
be the process not to um I encourage

02:03:59.199 --> 02:04:01.016
counselors when required this is

02:04:01.040 --> 02:04:02.536
something that we should embrace. Thank

02:04:02.560 --> 02:04:03.575
you.

02:04:03.599 --> 02:04:05.175
Thank you. Any other councelor wish to

02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:06.135
speak to this motion? Councelor

02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:06.936
Crawford.

02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:08.615
Just briefly, we did add in a little

02:04:08.639 --> 02:04:10.695
section that adds that there is a time

02:04:10.719 --> 02:04:13.719
frame because it is um voluntary and I

02:04:14.400 --> 02:04:16.856
think it is important that if we were to

02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:18.456
undertake it, it is done in a timely

02:04:18.480 --> 02:04:21.480
manner in good faith.  and and  it

02:04:22.080 --> 02:04:24.856
it's only as good as our intent. So

02:04:24.880 --> 02:04:26.776
although I'm glad about this step, I

02:04:26.800 --> 02:04:29.800
think it um it still requires 

02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:33.896
councilors to be willing to address

02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:36.215
issues. Just putting that out there.

02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:37.816
Excellent. Thank you, councelor

02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:39.496
Crawford. Any other counselor wish to

02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:42.296
speak? Councelor Heler.

02:04:42.320 --> 02:04:44.215
Super briefly. Thank you, Mayor. Um I

02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:45.816
think it's important that we refine and

02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:48.135
update our um policies as we go and this

02:04:48.159 --> 02:04:51.016
is a great example of that where um you

02:04:51.040 --> 02:04:52.456
know lived experience has led to

02:04:52.480 --> 02:04:54.456
refinements of this policy and 

02:04:54.480 --> 02:04:57.480
improving it for any future use um

02:04:57.679 --> 02:04:59.896
heaven forbid.

02:04:59.920 --> 02:05:01.655
Any other counselors wish to speak to

02:05:01.679 --> 02:05:03.976
this item?

02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:06.615
In which case does no other counselors

02:05:06.639 --> 02:05:08.135
have indicated desire to speak. So we'll

02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:10.135
move back to the closer to or the mover

02:05:10.159 --> 02:05:13.016
to close. Does the mover wish to close

02:05:13.040 --> 02:05:14.776
the debate?

02:05:14.800 --> 02:05:15.896
Um,

02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:18.376
yeah, as as councilors, we all have very

02:05:18.400 --> 02:05:21.400
big personalities. Um, and I think to

02:05:22.239 --> 02:05:24.215
expect each other to mediate each other

02:05:24.239 --> 02:05:26.376
was very unfair. So, I think to be able

02:05:26.400 --> 02:05:29.400
to if the situation arises, , get a

02:05:29.679 --> 02:05:32.679
third party in um, to

02:05:33.599 --> 02:05:35.816
to execute the mediation, I think that

02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:37.416
would be beneficial for everyone,

02:05:37.440 --> 02:05:39.736
including our community. I do also want

02:05:39.760 --> 02:05:42.760
to note that this came um as part of a

02:05:43.440 --> 02:05:46.376
recommendation um  through some

02:05:46.400 --> 02:05:48.536
investigations not at our council but

02:05:48.560 --> 02:05:50.695
other councils but we had already been

02:05:50.719 --> 02:05:52.376
speaking about adopting this so it's

02:05:52.400 --> 02:05:53.816
nice to know they're a bit ahead of the

02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:56.615
curve so thank you I put this motion to

02:05:56.639 --> 02:05:57.416
a vote

02:05:57.440 --> 02:06:00.440
the motion's been put all those in favor

02:06:00.719 --> 02:06:03.719
that motion is carried unanimously

02:06:04.639 --> 02:06:07.639
brings us now to item 13.1 the proposed

02:06:08.239 --> 02:06:11.239
Discontinuence and sale of part R 1831

02:06:11.679 --> 02:06:13.896
adjoining 56 Park Road, Middle Park,

02:06:13.920 --> 02:06:16.920
Victoria 3206.

02:06:17.440 --> 02:06:20.440
Any questions for officers?

02:06:20.960 --> 02:06:22.215
Councelor Hardy.

02:06:22.239 --> 02:06:25.239
No.

02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:29.816
Any other questions for this item?

02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:32.135
Otherwise, we can move to the mover.

02:06:32.159 --> 02:06:34.215
All right.

02:06:34.239 --> 02:06:35.976
Always your turn, Councelor Hardy. It is

02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:37.416
moved, councelor Hardy. It is seconded.

02:06:37.440 --> 02:06:40.135
Councelor Tam, does the mover wish to

02:06:40.159 --> 02:06:42.296
speak?

02:06:42.320 --> 02:06:45.320
No, Mr. Mayor, you just spoke.

02:06:46.719 --> 02:06:49.719
Councelor Tam.

02:06:55.520 --> 02:06:58.520
Yep. , so any other councilors wish to

02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:01.880
speak to this item?

02:07:02.800 --> 02:07:04.936
In which case, does the mover wish to

02:07:04.960 --> 02:07:07.175
close? Now, if you could put the motion,

02:07:07.199 --> 02:07:08.856
please. The motion has been put. All

02:07:08.880 --> 02:07:11.416
those in favor.

02:07:11.440 --> 02:07:14.440
Great. , that motion is carried.

02:07:14.719 --> 02:07:16.215
Before we get on to the notice of

02:07:16.239 --> 02:07:17.655
motions, I have had a request from a

02:07:17.679 --> 02:07:19.655
councelor for 5m minute break. So, we

02:07:19.679 --> 02:07:22.679
will have that break until 5 9.

02:07:25.040 --> 02:07:27.575
Welcome back and  thank you for that

02:07:27.599 --> 02:07:30.599
short recess. We are now on to notices

02:07:30.960 --> 02:07:33.575
of motion of which we have two this

02:07:33.599 --> 02:07:36.599
evening. The first is item 14.1, a

02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:40.055
notice of motion raised by councelor

02:07:40.079 --> 02:07:42.615
Thomman in relation to advocacy for local

02:07:42.639 --> 02:07:43.976
planning authority and community-led

02:07:44.000 --> 02:07:47.000
decision-m. Councelor Thomman, would you

02:07:47.119 --> 02:07:49.816
like to move or suggest alternates to

02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:51.416
this notice of motion?

02:07:51.440 --> 02:07:53.816
, I would like to move my notice of

02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:56.840
motion with an  with a force point as

02:07:57.599 --> 02:08:00.376
a followup of the discussion we had

02:08:00.400 --> 02:08:03.400
before.

02:08:04.639 --> 02:08:06.776
 you will need to read out that fourth

02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:09.655
point. I'll just read it on my phone

02:08:09.679 --> 02:08:12.679
because I can't it's  is my point four

02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:15.575
is request that the Mayor in their

02:08:15.599 --> 02:08:17.896
letter to or in his letter to the

02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:20.920
minister for planning also advocate. So

02:08:21.840 --> 02:08:24.840
so we have in his letter

02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:29.655
because it's the instead of their we

02:08:29.679 --> 02:08:32.679
have in in his letter

02:08:36.480 --> 02:08:38.456


02:08:38.480 --> 02:08:41.016
so I request that the Mayor in his

02:08:41.040 --> 02:08:42.695
letter to the minister of planning also

02:08:42.719 --> 02:08:44.376
advocate for greater clarity and

02:08:44.400 --> 02:08:47.400
consistency in state and local planning

02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:50.456
provisions rel relating to visitor cars

02:08:50.480 --> 02:08:52.615
parking and on-site loading and services

02:08:52.639 --> 02:08:54.615
bay particularly in high density and

02:08:54.639 --> 02:08:56.695
high-rise residential developments to

02:08:56.719 --> 02:08:58.055
ensure the planning controls

02:08:58.079 --> 02:08:59.496
appropriately support residents

02:08:59.520 --> 02:09:01.655
abilities to accommodate visitors

02:09:01.679 --> 02:09:03.575
service providers and local traders and

02:09:03.599 --> 02:09:05.575
to minimize impacts on surrounding

02:09:05.599 --> 02:09:08.599
streets and public parking supply.

02:09:09.040 --> 02:09:11.655
Thank you. That notice of motion  has

02:09:11.679 --> 02:09:14.055
been put. Councelor Tomman, you wish to

02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:15.256
move?

02:09:15.280 --> 02:09:17.416
Yes. Is there a council that wishes to

02:09:17.440 --> 02:09:20.440
second?

02:09:20.880 --> 02:09:23.880
Move. Seconded. Deputy Mayor M.

02:09:24.400 --> 02:09:27.400
Does the mover wish to speak?

02:09:27.440 --> 02:09:30.440
Um yes. Um

02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:33.416
this is for me like I have not I've

02:09:33.440 --> 02:09:35.575
moved several knowledge of motion to

02:09:35.599 --> 02:09:38.599
more more kind of  territorial. This

02:09:39.199 --> 02:09:42.199
is I suppose a little bit more political

02:09:42.320 --> 02:09:44.695
 but u for me it is an important

02:09:44.719 --> 02:09:47.719
motion and um I want to call it what it

02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:50.760
is. These planning reforms are not just

02:09:50.880 --> 02:09:53.736
administrative changes but for me what

02:09:53.760 --> 02:09:55.496
the way I look at it it's a power grab

02:09:55.520 --> 02:09:57.896
away from local communities.

02:09:57.920 --> 02:10:00.920
 these  planning  amendments take

02:10:01.840 --> 02:10:04.376
decisions out of the hands of the people

02:10:04.400 --> 02:10:07.016
who live here who understand this City

02:10:07.040 --> 02:10:08.615
and the neighborhood and the villages

02:10:08.639 --> 02:10:11.639
and who are directly accountable to it

02:10:11.679 --> 02:10:14.296
and place them further away behind quite

02:10:14.320 --> 02:10:16.856
often closed doors. So in Port Phillip

02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:19.880
and in particular in Sin Kilda  which

02:10:21.280 --> 02:10:23.496
is my ward planning is not just an

02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:26.520
abstract concept. It's about protecting

02:10:26.560 --> 02:10:28.695
heritage streetscapes, managing real

02:10:28.719 --> 02:10:31.719
infrastructures, pressures and  also

02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:34.840
preserving the unique cultural identity

02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:37.336
that actually defines our villages and

02:10:37.360 --> 02:10:40.215
our community. Um and I believe that

02:10:40.239 --> 02:10:42.856
these decisions should not be made from

02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:44.695
a distance.

02:10:44.719 --> 02:10:47.719
 these um amendments um exactly you

02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:52.055
know are enabling enabling decisions to

02:10:52.079 --> 02:10:55.079
be made further apart and um sidelines

02:10:56.079 --> 02:10:58.615
counselors delude committee views and

02:10:58.639 --> 02:11:01.256
voices and potentially weaken

02:11:01.280 --> 02:11:04.135
transparencies. So and when you weaken

02:11:04.159 --> 02:11:05.976
transparencies I also think you weaken

02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:09.000
trust. Um we are left explaining

02:11:09.599 --> 02:11:11.336
decisions that we didn't make. I know

02:11:11.360 --> 02:11:14.055
that decisions were made at VCAT in the

02:11:14.079 --> 02:11:16.856
past when in my previous term and people

02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:19.175
said to me did you approve this and you

02:11:19.199 --> 02:11:20.776
had to explain that actually it wasn't a

02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:23.800
council decision it was decided by ve so

02:11:24.320 --> 02:11:27.320
um I think um we should have more

02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:31.560
control and for the community to have u

02:11:32.719 --> 02:11:35.719
a bigger say this we don't we're not I'm

02:11:35.920 --> 02:11:37.976
not certainly anti-development

02:11:38.000 --> 02:11:41.000
far from it  we're just in favor of

02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:44.520
good development shaped within the views

02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:47.095
of the community and not necessarily

02:11:47.119 --> 02:11:50.119
just imposed on them. Um once you remove

02:11:51.679 --> 02:11:54.679
local input you strip some of the

02:11:54.800 --> 02:11:57.800
legitimate of planning and so the

02:11:57.840 --> 02:12:00.296
question is simple as say who shapes

02:12:00.320 --> 02:12:03.320
Port Phillips who shapes in Kilda. I

02:12:03.440 --> 02:12:05.655
believe that the people who live here

02:12:05.679 --> 02:12:08.055
should have a say

02:12:08.079 --> 02:12:09.816
or

02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:12.615
um or you know it's a system that

02:12:12.639 --> 02:12:15.175
potentially no longer listens to them.

02:12:15.199 --> 02:12:18.199
So I've  in my 10 nearly 10 years in

02:12:18.400 --> 02:12:21.336
local government I always try to defend

02:12:21.360 --> 02:12:24.360
local democracy and stand for democrac

02:12:24.719 --> 02:12:27.655
for transparency and stand for our

02:12:27.679 --> 02:12:30.456
community without so I think  good

02:12:30.480 --> 02:12:33.095
planning is building with the

02:12:33.119 --> 02:12:36.119
communities not  not just imposing on

02:12:36.719 --> 02:12:39.719
them and I think it's a principle that

02:12:40.159 --> 02:12:43.159
 is worth defending.

02:12:44.480 --> 02:12:46.536
Thank you, councelor Timman's move. Does

02:12:46.560 --> 02:12:49.560
the second wish to speak?

02:12:52.960 --> 02:12:54.776
It's a motion. So, it's council lead

02:12:54.800 --> 02:12:57.800
motion.

02:13:00.239 --> 02:13:02.536
Second.

02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:05.560
Thank you, Mayor. Um, first of all, ,

02:13:05.679 --> 02:13:08.376
commend , councelor Tomand for

02:13:08.400 --> 02:13:11.095
bringing this motion.

02:13:11.119 --> 02:13:12.776
The

02:13:12.800 --> 02:13:15.016
democratic process we have in Australia

02:13:15.040 --> 02:13:18.040
and  is demonstrated best when

02:13:18.480 --> 02:13:21.095
describing local government and the

02:13:21.119 --> 02:13:22.856
involvement of local government

02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:25.880
counselors and council officers in

02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:29.175
listening to and wherever possible and

02:13:29.199 --> 02:13:32.199
as much as possible delivering on the

02:13:32.560 --> 02:13:34.936
request and requirements of our

02:13:34.960 --> 02:13:37.960
communities.  this council I believe

02:13:38.000 --> 02:13:40.055
has demonstrated

02:13:40.079 --> 02:13:42.376
on many many occasions and continues to

02:13:42.400 --> 02:13:45.016
demonstrate a commitment to providing

02:13:45.040 --> 02:13:48.040
that service to our community.

02:13:48.480 --> 02:13:51.480
The issue of planning  is causing um I

02:13:54.639 --> 02:13:57.639
suppose a gap between the process where

02:13:57.760 --> 02:14:00.760
the local community  and its

02:14:02.320 --> 02:14:05.320
counselors are being sidelined by people

02:14:06.400 --> 02:14:07.976
on

02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:11.000
making decisions from a distance as has

02:14:12.079 --> 02:14:14.536
been said by people who don't live in

02:14:14.560 --> 02:14:17.560
these communities in most for most cases

02:14:17.920 --> 02:14:20.920
and those decisions deeply affect our

02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:24.840
community. So I fully endorse this 

02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:28.920
motion and um my hope is that not only

02:14:30.320 --> 02:14:33.320
the council support this motion that it

02:14:33.760 --> 02:14:36.296
the voice that we're raising here is

02:14:36.320 --> 02:14:39.320
heard far and wide particularly the

02:14:39.520 --> 02:14:42.520
minister of planning. Thank you.

02:14:42.639 --> 02:14:44.776
That motion has now been seconded. Is

02:14:44.800 --> 02:14:46.296
there a point of clarification or

02:14:46.320 --> 02:14:48.695
question from councilors? Councelor

02:14:48.719 --> 02:14:49.816
Buckingham.

02:14:49.840 --> 02:14:51.575
 through you, Mayor. I'd be interested

02:14:51.599 --> 02:14:54.536
to hear from the officers  the context

02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:57.560
of the planning changes that um are

02:14:58.239 --> 02:15:00.456
referred to in the motion, particularly

02:15:00.480 --> 02:15:02.615
in the context of the housing crisis and

02:15:02.639 --> 02:15:05.639
the objectives

02:15:05.920 --> 02:15:08.920
of the the shifts that are referred to

02:15:08.960 --> 02:15:11.960
in the notice of motion.

02:15:17.199 --> 02:15:17.816
to

02:15:17.840 --> 02:15:20.840
um thank you and through you may um

02:15:21.679 --> 02:15:24.055
while the motion is broad ranging in

02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:26.135
terms of the reference to state

02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:27.816
government planning reforms I think the

02:15:27.840 --> 02:15:30.840
key um focus and and there are a number

02:15:31.280 --> 02:15:34.280
of planning reforms some of which um

02:15:34.639 --> 02:15:36.695
have been legislated and implemented and

02:15:36.719 --> 02:15:39.719
others which have been um  legislated

02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:42.055
but not yet implemented that The key

02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:44.296
focus here are provisions which allow

02:15:44.320 --> 02:15:46.856
for certain developments of a certain

02:15:46.880 --> 02:15:49.880
side, certain size with a um number of

02:15:50.880 --> 02:15:53.880
that meet a number of criteria  to be

02:15:54.880 --> 02:15:57.175
um to have an approval a streamlined

02:15:57.199 --> 02:16:00.199
approval process um by which they and

02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:02.936
and that streamlined approval process is

02:16:02.960 --> 02:16:05.256
through the state government um and not

02:16:05.280 --> 02:16:07.416
through council and then so um

02:16:07.440 --> 02:16:10.055
applicants have an have an opportunity

02:16:10.079 --> 02:16:12.135
 to progress them via the state

02:16:12.159 --> 02:16:15.095
government and through a ministerial u

02:16:15.119 --> 02:16:18.119
process. That process is designed to 

02:16:19.280 --> 02:16:22.280
 speed the process and um the the

02:16:25.119 --> 02:16:26.776
state government justification around

02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:29.575
that  is to move more quickly and have

02:16:29.599 --> 02:16:32.599
more housing development to in part um

02:16:33.200 --> 02:16:36.200
address um the issue around a shortage

02:16:36.240 --> 02:16:38.295
of housing.

02:16:38.319 --> 02:16:40.295
and and to clarify particularly around

02:16:40.319 --> 02:16:42.856
affordable housing

02:16:42.880 --> 02:16:45.880
that are close to services.

02:16:48.080 --> 02:16:51.080
Thank you. I think the there is a there

02:16:51.280 --> 02:16:54.136
is in terms of the state government

02:16:54.160 --> 02:16:57.160
consideration of what applications do

02:16:57.280 --> 02:16:59.736
come before the state. Um affordable

02:16:59.760 --> 02:17:01.816
housing is one of the factors that is

02:17:01.840 --> 02:17:04.695
being built in as a consideration. Um

02:17:04.719 --> 02:17:07.719
the other consideration is the um the

02:17:11.359 --> 02:17:14.056
location of services in in that

02:17:14.080 --> 02:17:15.575
particular area including transport

02:17:15.599 --> 02:17:18.599
services.

02:17:22.559 --> 02:17:24.216
Any

02:17:24.240 --> 02:17:26.535
other questions or to speak to the

02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:28.295
motion

02:17:28.319 --> 02:17:31.319
counselor?

02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:33.016
No, I was just going to ask a question.

02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:33.655
in the same one.

02:17:33.679 --> 02:17:34.216
Yep.

02:17:34.240 --> 02:17:37.240
But or do you want to go?

02:17:37.359 --> 02:17:38.216
Sorry. You going to

02:17:38.240 --> 02:17:39.655
I was going to ask about emergency

02:17:39.679 --> 02:17:41.896
vehicles. Is that included in the

02:17:41.920 --> 02:17:44.056
consideration for how it's worded now or

02:17:44.080 --> 02:17:44.936
is that something that should be

02:17:44.960 --> 02:17:47.495
included?

02:17:47.519 --> 02:17:49.335
 so the question is to the move of the

02:17:49.359 --> 02:17:51.335
motion.  there's a suggestion around

02:17:51.359 --> 02:17:53.736
adding emergency vehicles to the list

02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:56.760
within  the item four that's been

02:17:56.800 --> 02:17:57.415
added.

02:17:57.439 --> 02:18:00.439
Happy to add it.

02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:03.736
So, service providers, emergency

02:18:03.760 --> 02:18:06.760
vehicles, and local traders, etc.

02:18:09.439 --> 02:18:11.256
Thank you. That has been added. Thank

02:18:11.280 --> 02:18:14.136
you for that question. Any further

02:18:14.160 --> 02:18:16.776
points of clarification to this motion,

02:18:16.800 --> 02:18:17.736
councelor?

02:18:17.760 --> 02:18:18.936
Question.

02:18:18.960 --> 02:18:21.176
Um, it was just something that that

02:18:21.200 --> 02:18:24.200
Brian T said and and you might not  we

02:18:24.719 --> 02:18:26.695
might not know the answer to this, but

02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:29.655
did the state government in creating any

02:18:29.679 --> 02:18:32.679
of these new planning um legislation

02:18:34.319 --> 02:18:37.319
 collaboratively work with our or with

02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:40.136
local planners that do have a local

02:18:40.160 --> 02:18:41.736
knowledge and intelligence of the

02:18:41.760 --> 02:18:44.760
landscape to form this criteria?

02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:50.776
because we have a very knowledgeable

02:18:50.800 --> 02:18:52.535
planning department that has spent a

02:18:52.559 --> 02:18:54.615
long time delving deep in our community

02:18:54.639 --> 02:18:56.455
that understands what they want on a

02:18:56.479 --> 02:18:58.776
deeper level. So, I'm just wondering um

02:18:58.800 --> 02:19:00.295
if we worked with the state

02:19:00.319 --> 02:19:03.319
collaboratively on on on these changes

02:19:05.359 --> 02:19:08.056
or whether they just decided

02:19:08.080 --> 02:19:11.080
Thank you. the um the

02:19:11.760 --> 02:19:14.760
there was not um detailed engagement

02:19:15.120 --> 02:19:17.335
with council or council officers in

02:19:17.359 --> 02:19:19.655
terms of the terms and the provisions of

02:19:19.679 --> 02:19:22.615
most of the legislation. There was some

02:19:22.639 --> 02:19:25.096
um engagement in the broad in terms of

02:19:25.120 --> 02:19:28.120
the concepts but not at that um detailed

02:19:28.639 --> 02:19:31.575
level.

02:19:31.599 --> 02:19:34.599
Thank you Brian. Councelor Crawford,

02:19:35.359 --> 02:19:37.256
can I ask under particularly some of

02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:40.056
these is there um is council a referral

02:19:40.080 --> 02:19:41.896
body like we are in fisherman's bend on

02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:44.216
any of these changes is I I don't know

02:19:44.240 --> 02:19:46.615
if we've actually had one yet. Have we?

02:19:46.639 --> 02:19:49.176
But do we do we get a chance to you know

02:19:49.200 --> 02:19:50.936
put in a refer like a position or

02:19:50.960 --> 02:19:52.616
referral?

02:19:52.640 --> 02:19:54.536
Can I can I ask have a supplementary

02:19:54.560 --> 02:19:55.576
question to that question?

02:19:55.600 --> 02:19:56.136
Sure.

02:19:56.160 --> 02:19:58.295
Um so we actually had only one example

02:19:58.319 --> 02:20:01.319
so far  which is the Cadbury building.

02:20:02.160 --> 02:20:05.160
Um so um can we is is it too much to ask

02:20:07.760 --> 02:20:10.375
how that happen? How did we find did we

02:20:10.399 --> 02:20:12.776
when did the plan we we found out by

02:20:12.800 --> 02:20:15.496
reading in the newspaper  but about

02:20:15.520 --> 02:20:17.736
this planning about this this new tower

02:20:17.760 --> 02:20:19.656
that has been approved on Sincla road.

02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:21.896
So were the planners involved at all in

02:20:21.920 --> 02:20:24.920
the decision of approving a 90 m tower?

02:20:27.040 --> 02:20:29.096
Councelor Thomman, the my understanding

02:20:29.120 --> 02:20:30.776
is the intent of your notice of motion

02:20:30.800 --> 02:20:33.016
is to restore the primacy of local

02:20:33.040 --> 02:20:35.016
government as a plan as a decision maker

02:20:35.040 --> 02:20:38.040
in applications. Right. So if the intent

02:20:38.560 --> 02:20:41.560
is that we should be the primary

02:20:42.080 --> 02:20:44.056
the primary consideration body or

02:20:44.080 --> 02:20:45.816
responsible authority for planning

02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:47.896
applications, us being a referral

02:20:47.920 --> 02:20:49.736
authority would not meet the me needs of

02:20:49.760 --> 02:20:52.760
your notice of motion. Is that correct?

02:20:53.680 --> 02:20:56.536
I I was more you know the questions was

02:20:56.560 --> 02:20:58.536
has planners been involved and we have

02:20:58.560 --> 02:21:01.096
only so far had one example in the City

02:21:01.120 --> 02:21:02.856
of Port Philip. So I was just trying to

02:21:02.880 --> 02:21:04.375
understand

02:21:04.399 --> 02:21:07.335
um how it worked. So without going into

02:21:07.359 --> 02:21:08.536
you know I'm talking about something

02:21:08.560 --> 02:21:10.536
that actually has happened not in the

02:21:10.560 --> 02:21:13.560
future um  as a follow-up question

02:21:14.000 --> 02:21:16.936
about you know our planners who our

02:21:16.960 --> 02:21:19.256
planners have got excellent knowledge of

02:21:19.280 --> 02:21:22.280
our City which are they involved or not

02:21:23.280 --> 02:21:25.096
involved at all and that was just one

02:21:25.120 --> 02:21:27.736
example that had been you know that has

02:21:27.760 --> 02:21:29.976
happened in the City of Portford but you

02:21:30.000 --> 02:21:32.375
know if it's inappropriate  as a

02:21:32.399 --> 02:21:33.816
question I'm happy to

02:21:33.840 --> 02:21:36.616
well it's more your notice motion is

02:21:36.640 --> 02:21:38.936
calling for us to be the responsible

02:21:38.960 --> 02:21:40.696
authority. Therefore, the decision maker

02:21:40.720 --> 02:21:43.016
in these applications whether we are a

02:21:43.040 --> 02:21:44.856
referral body or not is really not

02:21:44.880 --> 02:21:46.936
relevant in terms of the intent of the

02:21:46.960 --> 02:21:48.295
motion.

02:21:48.319 --> 02:21:50.295
We we're actually calling in this motion

02:21:50.319 --> 02:21:52.936
to be the responsible authority. Again,

02:21:52.960 --> 02:21:55.415
okay

02:21:55.439 --> 02:21:58.439
J point of clarification slashquest.

02:22:00.479 --> 02:22:02.616
No, I think you've answered it. I was

02:22:02.640 --> 02:22:04.616
more interested in understanding if

02:22:04.640 --> 02:22:07.640
there was any time limits for building

02:22:07.680 --> 02:22:09.976
um state government approved buildings

02:22:10.000 --> 02:22:13.000
but um I do understand now that this is

02:22:13.040 --> 02:22:15.335
more of a notice of motion to bring the

02:22:15.359 --> 02:22:18.359
power back to us not share it so I will

02:22:18.560 --> 02:22:21.560
not thank you.

02:22:23.280 --> 02:22:26.280
Further questions?

02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:32.840
Okay. , councelor Holidayiday,

02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:35.176
was there a question?

02:22:35.200 --> 02:22:36.455
No, I want to speak.

02:22:36.479 --> 02:22:38.455
Yeah. Further questions, points of

02:22:38.479 --> 02:22:40.696
clarification.

02:22:40.720 --> 02:22:43.576
All right. Any back to then the

02:22:43.600 --> 02:22:44.936
substantive debate? Councelor

02:22:44.960 --> 02:22:47.096
Holidayiday, you've been eager to speak

02:22:47.120 --> 02:22:47.896
to the motion.

02:22:47.920 --> 02:22:50.136
Yeah, look, um, thank you. Thank you,

02:22:50.160 --> 02:22:53.160
Mayor. Um, I'm really vexed on this one.

02:22:54.560 --> 02:22:57.560
, because for a long time, , local

02:22:58.800 --> 02:23:01.800
councils, not not, um, entirely the City

02:23:02.800 --> 02:23:05.335
of Port Phillip, have used their

02:23:05.359 --> 02:23:08.359
planning powers to, um, decline

02:23:08.960 --> 02:23:10.776
densification

02:23:10.800 --> 02:23:12.696
, across the City of Melbourne. And

02:23:12.720 --> 02:23:15.576
this this is still happening in in mid

02:23:15.600 --> 02:23:18.600
ring suburbs. We have as a council have

02:23:19.200 --> 02:23:22.200
been um you know very accommodating in

02:23:22.640 --> 02:23:25.640
my view about densification. However, we

02:23:26.800 --> 02:23:29.800
still have um resistance from heritage

02:23:31.600 --> 02:23:34.600
areas  and from particular, you know,

02:23:35.439 --> 02:23:38.439
communities who say who who who

02:23:39.600 --> 02:23:42.600
um in many cases use that as an excuse

02:23:43.040 --> 02:23:45.896
for not bearing some of the weight of

02:23:45.920 --> 02:23:48.056
densification that other areas of the

02:23:48.080 --> 02:23:51.080
City bear. And that pushes all the

02:23:51.120 --> 02:23:53.896
densification into areas that aren't

02:23:53.920 --> 02:23:56.536
heritage listed. And it puts the burden

02:23:56.560 --> 02:23:59.560
on those areas while excusing these more

02:24:01.520 --> 02:24:04.520
established suburbs from um from

02:24:04.960 --> 02:24:07.960
contributing to um carrying those 

02:24:08.319 --> 02:24:11.319
those residents effectively you know um

02:24:11.359 --> 02:24:13.816
kind of creating a divide between people

02:24:13.840 --> 02:24:16.616
who  live in high density areas and

02:24:16.640 --> 02:24:19.640
people who live in low density areas. So

02:24:21.120 --> 02:24:22.696
the the response from the state

02:24:22.720 --> 02:24:25.720
government are  in response to those

02:24:26.560 --> 02:24:29.415
systemic issues across councils where

02:24:29.439 --> 02:24:31.415
they said well it's not good enough for

02:24:31.439 --> 02:24:33.096
councils to say that they don't bear

02:24:33.120 --> 02:24:36.120
some of the responsibility for um for

02:24:37.200 --> 02:24:39.896
densification for

02:24:39.920 --> 02:24:41.896
carrying residents especially in inner

02:24:41.920 --> 02:24:44.920
City areas like ours. So, um I

02:24:45.439 --> 02:24:47.096
understand,

02:24:47.120 --> 02:24:49.496
you know, we we had this tonight um with

02:24:49.520 --> 02:24:51.335
people from Argal Street where we're

02:24:51.359 --> 02:24:53.816
where we're building proposing to build

02:24:53.840 --> 02:24:55.896
a child care center next to them where

02:24:55.920 --> 02:24:58.920
every time someone sees something change

02:24:58.960 --> 02:25:01.176
in their neighborhood, it's difficult

02:25:01.200 --> 02:25:02.616
for the people that live in those

02:25:02.640 --> 02:25:05.640
neighborhoods. Um and each new place is

02:25:06.000 --> 02:25:09.000
difficult for a new set of people. 

02:25:09.680 --> 02:25:12.680
but we have to um as a community 

02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:16.295
collectively understand that we all need

02:25:16.319 --> 02:25:19.319
to bear some responsibility for as I say

02:25:19.920 --> 02:25:22.776
accommodating the population growth that

02:25:22.800 --> 02:25:25.800
we are um mandated to  to accommodate.

02:25:27.040 --> 02:25:29.656
So again really vexed on this one. Not

02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:31.335
sure which way I'll go at this stage,

02:25:31.359 --> 02:25:33.656
but I think  it does highlight an

02:25:33.680 --> 02:25:35.415
issue here and a tension in the

02:25:35.439 --> 02:25:37.496
community between, you know, the way

02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:39.096
things used to be and the way things are

02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:41.976
going to be in the future.

02:25:42.000 --> 02:25:43.736
Thank you, councelor Holidayiday. Any

02:25:43.760 --> 02:25:45.096
other councilors wish to speak?

02:25:45.120 --> 02:25:46.375
Councelor Crawford,

02:25:46.399 --> 02:25:48.216
I'm pretty much in the same boat. Um,

02:25:48.240 --> 02:25:49.576
thank you for bringing the motion,

02:25:49.600 --> 02:25:51.335
councelor Tom, but I'm not sure that I

02:25:51.359 --> 02:25:54.216
can support it. I've changed my position

02:25:54.240 --> 02:25:56.295
on planning after a decade in the

02:25:56.319 --> 02:25:59.096
chambers. Change is really hard and it's

02:25:59.120 --> 02:26:00.616
hard when it's next door to you and it's

02:26:00.640 --> 02:26:03.496
on your street. But I actually think

02:26:03.520 --> 02:26:06.520
that there was some level of change at

02:26:06.960 --> 02:26:09.016
the state level to allow some of these

02:26:09.040 --> 02:26:11.335
projects to happen. We are a growing

02:26:11.359 --> 02:26:14.359
City. We have a housing crisis. Um we

02:26:14.720 --> 02:26:16.696
our high streets need greater dens

02:26:16.720 --> 02:26:19.496
density for the businesses to survive

02:26:19.520 --> 02:26:21.576
with all online. So there's a whole lot

02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:23.976
of factors that have actually changed

02:26:24.000 --> 02:26:26.696
and I've watched people

02:26:26.720 --> 02:26:29.656
everyone object to changes and and it's

02:26:29.680 --> 02:26:31.496
not that you shouldn't improve and try

02:26:31.520 --> 02:26:34.520
and get the best outcome on a site but

02:26:34.880 --> 02:26:37.176
once the building is in and the change

02:26:37.200 --> 02:26:38.936
has happened it it kind of settles.

02:26:38.960 --> 02:26:40.216
People don't remember what it was

02:26:40.240 --> 02:26:42.856
before. I actually think I'm more a

02:26:42.880 --> 02:26:45.176
yimi, not an nimi. And I do think what

02:26:45.200 --> 02:26:47.256
the state government was trying to do,

02:26:47.280 --> 02:26:50.216
and again, all legislation or policy

02:26:50.240 --> 02:26:52.136
should be reviewed and tweaked and

02:26:52.160 --> 02:26:54.216
constantly, but I think they were trying

02:26:54.240 --> 02:26:57.240
to um unearth some bottlenecks. I think

02:26:58.160 --> 02:27:01.160
our council area there are we are a

02:27:01.439 --> 02:27:03.736
dense City but there are middle ring

02:27:03.760 --> 02:27:05.816
suburbs that really need to densify and

02:27:05.840 --> 02:27:07.576
have also different housing types for

02:27:07.600 --> 02:27:09.736
for many reasons for people to downsize

02:27:09.760 --> 02:27:11.656
for younger people to get in the market

02:27:11.680 --> 02:27:13.096
to be able to live near your family and

02:27:13.120 --> 02:27:15.335
friends. So there's so many reasons. So

02:27:15.359 --> 02:27:17.415
um some of these changes I think will be

02:27:17.439 --> 02:27:20.439
worthwhile. I not sure that they're all

02:27:20.560 --> 02:27:22.776
perfect. I do think we want community in

02:27:22.800 --> 02:27:25.256
there but to note councilors we are not

02:27:25.280 --> 02:27:26.856
the referral. We are not the decision

02:27:26.880 --> 02:27:28.295
maker in Fisherman's Bend. We are the

02:27:28.319 --> 02:27:31.256
referral agency. So we already have this

02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:33.496
happening in our City  at a great

02:27:33.520 --> 02:27:35.976
degree. Um so I I I'm not sure that I

02:27:36.000 --> 02:27:37.656
can support it because I think so many

02:27:37.680 --> 02:27:40.136
circumstances have changed and I do

02:27:40.160 --> 02:27:43.160
think that the balance isn't right. 

02:27:43.200 --> 02:27:45.176
is this a blunt instrument that the

02:27:45.200 --> 02:27:47.016
state government has introduced perhaps?

02:27:47.040 --> 02:27:48.295
I don't know. I haven't seen the full

02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:50.136
effects of it but I know that things

02:27:50.160 --> 02:27:52.936
couldn't stand as they were  and hope

02:27:52.960 --> 02:27:55.256
that things might improve. So I actually

02:27:55.280 --> 02:27:57.656
think there is genuine concern and and

02:27:57.680 --> 02:28:00.056
and most of these things that we're

02:28:00.080 --> 02:28:01.736
going to be hit with will be large scale

02:28:01.760 --> 02:28:03.656
thing and they won't be that many in our

02:28:03.680 --> 02:28:06.136
community and sometimes that

02:28:06.160 --> 02:28:09.160
intervention is needed.

02:28:10.160 --> 02:28:13.160
Councelor J.

02:28:16.479 --> 02:28:19.479
Councelor Jay, you may wish to unmute

02:28:21.920 --> 02:28:24.616
to do that. Thank you, Mayor. Um I do

02:28:24.640 --> 02:28:26.536
understand what the state tried to

02:28:26.560 --> 02:28:29.560
achieve  taking control of of of of

02:28:29.600 --> 02:28:32.536
some planning. Um I did  hear the

02:28:32.560 --> 02:28:34.375
other day that only 16% of the

02:28:34.399 --> 02:28:36.295
applications they've signed so far have

02:28:36.319 --> 02:28:38.375
actually gone on to be constructed

02:28:38.399 --> 02:28:41.399
leaving um um I believe 80

02:28:42.399 --> 02:28:43.896
84%

02:28:43.920 --> 02:28:46.536
just sitting there. Signing a permit

02:28:46.560 --> 02:28:49.335
does not guarantee affordable housing.

02:28:49.359 --> 02:28:51.976
It does not guarantee community benefit

02:28:52.000 --> 02:28:53.736
and it does not guarantee that

02:28:53.760 --> 02:28:56.760
construction will even occur.

02:28:57.200 --> 02:28:58.776
Um,

02:28:58.800 --> 02:29:01.800
it takes more in my mind to putting up a

02:29:03.520 --> 02:29:06.056
building does not create community. It

02:29:06.080 --> 02:29:08.136
does not create a livable municipality

02:29:08.160 --> 02:29:11.160
and it does not create a home. Um, what

02:29:12.160 --> 02:29:15.160
I'm wanting to see out of this is a

02:29:16.800 --> 02:29:19.576
better quality construction, better

02:29:19.600 --> 02:29:21.896
quality buildings for our community that

02:29:21.920 --> 02:29:24.056
will help um, build the community and

02:29:24.080 --> 02:29:27.080
bring it closer together, not divide it,

02:29:27.120 --> 02:29:29.816
not cause people angst, not confuse

02:29:29.840 --> 02:29:32.616
people, and not even be able to provide

02:29:32.640 --> 02:29:35.415
basic parking for basic deliveries and

02:29:35.439 --> 02:29:38.439
basic care. Um, I I I think that we can

02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:41.496
do better. I I think the government can

02:29:41.520 --> 02:29:43.736
do better and I think um I will

02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:46.760
absolutely support this motion um with

02:29:47.840 --> 02:29:50.840
the hope that it will move us closer to

02:29:51.280 --> 02:29:53.496
working collaboratively in creating

02:29:53.520 --> 02:29:55.656
better buildings and better developments

02:29:55.680 --> 02:29:57.976
and not just signing stuff off so we can

02:29:58.000 --> 02:30:00.536
say look what we've created because

02:30:00.560 --> 02:30:02.776
while it's just a permit it's nothing

02:30:02.800 --> 02:30:05.415
anyone that I know can live with. Thank

02:30:05.439 --> 02:30:06.375
you.

02:30:06.399 --> 02:30:08.216
Thank you councelor Jay. Other

02:30:08.240 --> 02:30:11.240
councilors wish to speak.

02:30:11.600 --> 02:30:14.600
Yes, councelor Buckingham.

02:30:15.600 --> 02:30:17.656
Thank you, councelor Tommen for bringing

02:30:17.680 --> 02:30:20.680
this motion. I know it captures um a lot

02:30:21.280 --> 02:30:23.096
of the the current sentiment in the

02:30:23.120 --> 02:30:26.120
community around  planning. I think

02:30:27.280 --> 02:30:30.280
the key here is

02:30:30.800 --> 02:30:32.536
the key for me, the reason I'm

02:30:32.560 --> 02:30:34.136
struggling to support the motion as it

02:30:34.160 --> 02:30:36.136
is is that

02:30:36.160 --> 02:30:38.536
it's coming at a time in the context of

02:30:38.560 --> 02:30:41.560
a housing crisis. And

02:30:42.160 --> 02:30:44.455
the reasons that some of these changes

02:30:44.479 --> 02:30:47.415
have been brought in is to increase the

02:30:47.439 --> 02:30:50.056
supply of affordable housing near

02:30:50.080 --> 02:30:53.080
services and transport. And

02:30:54.000 --> 02:30:56.375
if that objective is achieved, we all

02:30:56.399 --> 02:30:58.136
will benefit. The environment will

02:30:58.160 --> 02:31:01.160
benefit. Um, particularly younger people

02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:04.295
that can't currently afford property in

02:31:04.319 --> 02:31:07.016
areas like Port Phillip will benefit.

02:31:07.040 --> 02:31:10.040
Um, and as councelor Crawford said, ,

02:31:11.280 --> 02:31:13.176
that also supports our traders and our

02:31:13.200 --> 02:31:16.056
high streets. Um,

02:31:16.080 --> 02:31:18.136
so I feel like in the context of the

02:31:18.160 --> 02:31:20.216
housing crisis,

02:31:20.240 --> 02:31:23.096
yes, we value all of the things that

02:31:23.120 --> 02:31:24.455
have been listed here, such as

02:31:24.479 --> 02:31:25.496
neighborhood character and

02:31:25.520 --> 02:31:27.176
infrastructure capaCity, but we have to

02:31:27.200 --> 02:31:30.200
find a balance between the local 

02:31:30.720 --> 02:31:33.720
voice and the local  planning and the

02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:35.335
broader pressures on our society,

02:31:35.359 --> 02:31:38.056
particularly to do with housing.

02:31:38.080 --> 02:31:39.896
So, I'm not saying that the current

02:31:39.920 --> 02:31:42.536
settings have got that balance right,

02:31:42.560 --> 02:31:45.560
but I will struggle to support a motion

02:31:45.840 --> 02:31:48.840
that doesn't acknowledge um the efforts

02:31:48.880 --> 02:31:50.856
to increase affordable housing in the

02:31:50.880 --> 02:31:53.736
City of Port Phillip.

02:31:53.760 --> 02:31:55.576
Any other councilors wish to speak?

02:31:55.600 --> 02:31:56.776
Councelor Consol.

02:31:56.800 --> 02:31:58.776
Thank you. I will be supporting this

02:31:58.800 --> 02:32:00.295
notice of motion tonight because the way

02:32:00.319 --> 02:32:02.056
I read it is is sort of saying for

02:32:02.080 --> 02:32:04.856
certain categories of de development and

02:32:04.880 --> 02:32:07.176
it's not everything. we we don't need to

02:32:07.200 --> 02:32:10.136
see everything because there are some 

02:32:10.160 --> 02:32:11.816
developments that it's right for it to

02:32:11.840 --> 02:32:14.295
go  to the state government but maybe

02:32:14.319 --> 02:32:16.776
it's it has gone a bit far but at the

02:32:16.800 --> 02:32:18.776
same time I think we need to ask our

02:32:18.800 --> 02:32:20.936
residents to really think about how we

02:32:20.960 --> 02:32:23.896
need to um consider our City when it

02:32:23.920 --> 02:32:25.256
does come to things like housing like

02:32:25.280 --> 02:32:28.280
it's been raised that um we do we do

02:32:28.880 --> 02:32:31.656
need to consider some change and where

02:32:31.680 --> 02:32:34.056
change is done well change is not a

02:32:34.080 --> 02:32:37.080
problem so it's about Good design. I

02:32:37.120 --> 02:32:39.335
appreciate the last part to add it in

02:32:39.359 --> 02:32:41.096
with  considering the discussions

02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:43.896
earlier tonight about livability comes

02:32:43.920 --> 02:32:46.295
into the most mundane things, but it's

02:32:46.319 --> 02:32:48.136
really important that we can operate

02:32:48.160 --> 02:32:51.160
with loading bays and cars and all the

02:32:51.600 --> 02:32:54.375
um conveniences of life that we use. If

02:32:54.399 --> 02:32:57.399
those aren't delivered on each  site,

02:32:57.520 --> 02:32:59.256
the onflow effect to the neighboring

02:32:59.280 --> 02:33:01.816
streets just adds up. It multiplies so

02:33:01.840 --> 02:33:03.896
fast. If we're talking about 200 unit

02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:05.816
apartment, five spots, a very

02:33:05.840 --> 02:33:08.455
conservative number times 20 buildings,

02:33:08.479 --> 02:33:11.256
there's 100. It just gets really intense

02:33:11.280 --> 02:33:13.496
what we're asking the local street to do

02:33:13.520 --> 02:33:16.056
collectively in these builtup areas. So,

02:33:16.080 --> 02:33:17.656
I really appreciate that that was added

02:33:17.680 --> 02:33:20.616
in that the government although the best

02:33:20.640 --> 02:33:23.096
of intentions on some things might not

02:33:23.120 --> 02:33:24.455
have considered everything and that's

02:33:24.479 --> 02:33:26.616
why the local planning does consider it.

02:33:26.640 --> 02:33:27.976
We do talk to the people who are

02:33:28.000 --> 02:33:29.496
affected by it, the people who

02:33:29.520 --> 02:33:31.576
understand it and we have great

02:33:31.600 --> 02:33:33.176
knowledge within our planning department

02:33:33.200 --> 02:33:36.200
here that we should be utilizing to

02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:39.816
think that only a a small increase in

02:33:39.840 --> 02:33:42.840
the state department will cover all the

02:33:42.880 --> 02:33:44.616
increase that they've brought to

02:33:44.640 --> 02:33:47.016
themselves. We still have issues in the

02:33:47.040 --> 02:33:48.776
planning department and we need that um

02:33:48.800 --> 02:33:51.335
not our at the state level. We need that

02:33:51.359 --> 02:33:53.016
flow on to keep going. We need to be

02:33:53.040 --> 02:33:56.040
building. We're not meeting our targets.

02:33:56.240 --> 02:33:58.616
Okay, thank you.

02:33:58.640 --> 02:34:01.176
Thank you, Councelor Consolo. Any other

02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:03.976
counselors wish to speak? Councelor

02:34:04.000 --> 02:34:07.000
Hardy, would you wish to speak?

02:34:08.640 --> 02:34:11.640
In which case, I will add to this motion

02:34:12.720 --> 02:34:15.096
and  oh, sorry. I would to speak to

02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:17.176
this motion and indicate my support.

02:34:17.200 --> 02:34:18.776
We're treating this as a binary option,

02:34:18.800 --> 02:34:21.415
but this is not the first time that

02:34:21.439 --> 02:34:24.136
planning powers have been threatened to

02:34:24.160 --> 02:34:26.856
be taken away or or have been taken away

02:34:26.880 --> 02:34:29.880
by lo from local government. In fact, I

02:34:30.000 --> 02:34:33.000
remember previous governments where they

02:34:33.840 --> 02:34:36.136
actually identified the problematic

02:34:36.160 --> 02:34:38.856
councils and rightfully took planning

02:34:38.880 --> 02:34:41.256
authority away from those councils. The

02:34:41.280 --> 02:34:43.176
ones that were restricting housing

02:34:43.200 --> 02:34:44.776
supply, the ones that were being

02:34:44.800 --> 02:34:47.800
obstructionist for no other reason than

02:34:47.920 --> 02:34:50.216
being obstructionist, the councils that

02:34:50.240 --> 02:34:52.295
were not following their own planning

02:34:52.319 --> 02:34:53.896
scheme and their own local planning

02:34:53.920 --> 02:34:56.920
policies. The intent of this motion is

02:34:57.280 --> 02:34:59.656
to restore local decision-making

02:34:59.680 --> 02:35:02.680
authority to restore council as the

02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:04.696
responsible authority for planning

02:35:04.720 --> 02:35:07.016
applications. If we are taking

02:35:07.040 --> 02:35:09.415
Fisherman's Bend as an example of an

02:35:09.439 --> 02:35:11.656
exemplar of where state government does

02:35:11.680 --> 02:35:13.816
take control, it is not one that the

02:35:13.840 --> 02:35:14.936
state government should be hanging its

02:35:14.960 --> 02:35:17.656
hat on as a success story. It is one

02:35:17.680 --> 02:35:20.680
where our authority as a or our ability

02:35:20.960 --> 02:35:23.176
as a referral authority is significantly

02:35:23.200 --> 02:35:25.335
diminished and it does a disservice to

02:35:25.359 --> 02:35:27.736
our community. This is a council where

02:35:27.760 --> 02:35:30.696
94% of all decisions made by this

02:35:30.720 --> 02:35:33.720
council are upheld at VCAT. That is an

02:35:34.240 --> 02:35:35.976
exceptionally high standard in this

02:35:36.000 --> 02:35:38.776
sector and shows that this council is

02:35:38.800 --> 02:35:41.096
making the right calls around planning

02:35:41.120 --> 02:35:44.120
decisions including the difficult calls

02:35:44.319 --> 02:35:47.319
where there may be local opposition but

02:35:47.600 --> 02:35:50.056
where we as a councelor group are

02:35:50.080 --> 02:35:53.016
following our planning schemes and our

02:35:53.040 --> 02:35:55.576
local planning policy. This is also a

02:35:55.600 --> 02:35:58.600
council where decisions are made in the

02:35:58.720 --> 02:36:01.335
majority of times within the statutory

02:36:01.359 --> 02:36:03.736
required time frames. This is not a

02:36:03.760 --> 02:36:06.216
problematic council from the perspective

02:36:06.240 --> 02:36:08.616
of planning applications. The state

02:36:08.640 --> 02:36:10.136
government should be following the

02:36:10.160 --> 02:36:13.096
examples of its predecessors where it

02:36:13.120 --> 02:36:15.176
targets those that are being the

02:36:15.200 --> 02:36:17.816
problem. We are not the problem here. We

02:36:17.840 --> 02:36:19.816
have continually made responsible

02:36:19.840 --> 02:36:22.295
decisions and we have upheld the fact

02:36:22.319 --> 02:36:25.016
that as a responsible planning authority

02:36:25.040 --> 02:36:26.856
the decisions are being made

02:36:26.880 --> 02:36:29.335
responsibly. That is the key here being

02:36:29.359 --> 02:36:31.256
a responsible authority making

02:36:31.280 --> 02:36:33.976
responsible planning decisions. This

02:36:34.000 --> 02:36:36.295
motion highlights our concerns with

02:36:36.319 --> 02:36:39.319
this. Many of us have talked about the

02:36:40.080 --> 02:36:42.856
ongoing concerns around rising community

02:36:42.880 --> 02:36:45.880
anger, rising community frustration

02:36:46.080 --> 02:36:48.455
around decisions. And that frustration

02:36:48.479 --> 02:36:51.256
is born when communities feel like they

02:36:51.280 --> 02:36:54.280
have a diminished ability to have input.

02:36:54.399 --> 02:36:56.616
The planning system is not perfect, but

02:36:56.640 --> 02:36:59.176
it does enable community to have their

02:36:59.200 --> 02:37:02.200
say and that is an important part of the

02:37:02.240 --> 02:37:03.976
process in being able to take

02:37:04.000 --> 02:37:06.616
communities alongside the journey in

02:37:06.640 --> 02:37:09.640
densification and additional housing.

02:37:09.680 --> 02:37:11.976
When the community say is diminished

02:37:12.000 --> 02:37:14.056
that creates frustration and that

02:37:14.080 --> 02:37:15.896
creates resentment and we are seeing

02:37:15.920 --> 02:37:18.455
this play out in many many ways across

02:37:18.479 --> 02:37:21.096
society. Denying local communities their

02:37:21.120 --> 02:37:23.976
say is not the answer. Denying councils

02:37:24.000 --> 02:37:25.496
their ability to be the responsible

02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:27.736
planning authority is not the answer.

02:37:27.760 --> 02:37:29.576
And I commend this motion and I thank

02:37:29.600 --> 02:37:31.576
councelor Thomman for raising this on

02:37:31.600 --> 02:37:33.976
behalf of the people of the City of Port

02:37:34.000 --> 02:37:36.536
Phillip. I commend this motion. Does the

02:37:36.560 --> 02:37:39.560
mover wish to close?

02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:42.375
This is not about u stopping

02:37:42.399 --> 02:37:45.399
developments. It's about having an input

02:37:46.240 --> 02:37:48.616
in what actually gets built in our City.

02:37:48.640 --> 02:37:51.016
You know we got  planning schemes. We

02:37:51.040 --> 02:37:52.936
got heritage overlays. we've decided

02:37:52.960 --> 02:37:55.736
where  we want to high where we want

02:37:55.760 --> 02:37:58.616
to have high density etc etc so we are

02:37:58.640 --> 02:38:01.016
not a City you know there are other

02:38:01.040 --> 02:38:04.040
cities where developments um are more

02:38:04.319 --> 02:38:07.319
difficult and as Mayor may mark said you

02:38:07.920 --> 02:38:10.920
know we are not u I think we are a City

02:38:11.760 --> 02:38:14.760
that is um um you know we are when it

02:38:15.680 --> 02:38:17.896
comes to planning we are we are good

02:38:17.920 --> 02:38:20.776
City um and we provide as you know we

02:38:20.800 --> 02:38:22.136
provide housing

02:38:22.160 --> 02:38:25.016
Um, so I just feel that the committee

02:38:25.040 --> 02:38:28.040
should have more to say and that council

02:38:28.720 --> 02:38:31.176
should have should be decision maker

02:38:31.200 --> 02:38:34.200
because we know best and you know we do

02:38:35.600 --> 02:38:38.375
know when there can be highrises or high

02:38:38.399 --> 02:38:40.056
development and stuff but I think it's

02:38:40.080 --> 02:38:42.455
important that we we are around the

02:38:42.479 --> 02:38:44.295
table instead of just having stuff and

02:38:44.319 --> 02:38:47.319
pose from Spring Street. So that's why

02:38:47.520 --> 02:38:50.520
um I've I've done this motion um to 

02:38:52.399 --> 02:38:55.399
allow us to have a bigger say in our

02:38:55.439 --> 02:38:57.415
City.

02:38:57.439 --> 02:39:00.056
Thank you. That motion the mover has

02:39:00.080 --> 02:39:01.736
closed the debate and that motion is now

02:39:01.760 --> 02:39:04.455
being put. All those in favor of the

02:39:04.479 --> 02:39:07.016
motion before us.

02:39:07.040 --> 02:39:10.040
I have councelor Tamaran, Deputy May,

02:39:10.240 --> 02:39:13.240
Councelor Hardy, councelor Consolo.

02:39:15.920 --> 02:39:18.920
 councelor J and myself councelor Mak

02:39:20.000 --> 02:39:23.000
as for the motion all those opposed

02:39:28.720 --> 02:39:31.720
so all those that wish to abstain

02:39:32.080 --> 02:39:34.136
we have three

02:39:34.160 --> 02:39:36.616
abstaining from the motion the motion is

02:39:36.640 --> 02:39:39.640
therefore carried on the numbers

02:39:40.479 --> 02:39:42.375
that motion is carried congratulations

02:39:42.399 --> 02:39:43.415
councelor Tomman

02:39:43.439 --> 02:39:46.439
thank

02:39:46.800 --> 02:39:49.256
 we are coming to that point in time

02:39:49.280 --> 02:39:51.016
where given that we have another notice

02:39:51.040 --> 02:39:52.616
of motion before us we may need an

02:39:52.640 --> 02:39:55.256
extension of time. So I do call for a

02:39:55.280 --> 02:39:57.335
councelor to put forward a 30-minute

02:39:57.359 --> 02:39:58.455
extension. Thank you councelor

02:39:58.479 --> 02:40:01.479
Holidayiday. Seconded deputy may all

02:40:01.920 --> 02:40:04.056
those in favor

02:40:04.080 --> 02:40:07.080
that motion is carried and now we can

02:40:07.280 --> 02:40:09.656
move on to

02:40:09.680 --> 02:40:12.680
item 14.2 Two, a second notice of motion

02:40:13.840 --> 02:40:16.455
raised by Deputy Mayor Mes in relation

02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:18.216
to advocacy on safety and regulation of

02:40:18.240 --> 02:40:21.240
ebikes, e- scooters, and e- motorbikes.

02:40:22.399 --> 02:40:24.776
Deputy Mayor, do you wish to put your

02:40:24.800 --> 02:40:26.375
motion?

02:40:26.399 --> 02:40:28.455
Yes, I do.

02:40:28.479 --> 02:40:31.479
Yep. And  do we have a seconder for

02:40:31.520 --> 02:40:34.520
that motion?

02:40:35.200 --> 02:40:37.415
Three, mate. Can I second the motion and

02:40:37.439 --> 02:40:40.439
foreshadow just a minor amendment to 

02:40:40.640 --> 02:40:42.856
So is there a suggestion that you'd like

02:40:42.880 --> 02:40:45.880
for the motion? You can Yep. it now.

02:40:46.240 --> 02:40:49.240
All right. What we Yep. So given it's a

02:40:49.680 --> 02:40:51.816
council motion, you can actually suggest

02:40:51.840 --> 02:40:54.295
we What would you like to suggest? 

02:40:54.319 --> 02:40:56.776
just the inclusion of the words um

02:40:56.800 --> 02:40:59.800
community  consumer affairs Victoria

02:41:00.560 --> 02:41:03.560
in both of the advocacy um lists of

02:41:04.319 --> 02:41:07.319
organizations to advocate to.

02:41:07.680 --> 02:41:10.455
Does the mover deputy Mayor do you wish

02:41:10.479 --> 02:41:12.455
to incorporate consumer affairs Victoria

02:41:12.479 --> 02:41:14.536
as another

02:41:14.560 --> 02:41:17.016
body that we will be

02:41:17.040 --> 02:41:18.056
in which case?

02:41:18.080 --> 02:41:18.696
Thank you.

02:41:18.720 --> 02:41:20.375
Now are you comfortable seconding the

02:41:20.399 --> 02:41:22.856
motion? It is now seconded by councelor

02:41:22.880 --> 02:41:24.856
Holidayiday. Does the mover wish to

02:41:24.880 --> 02:41:25.896
speak?

02:41:25.920 --> 02:41:28.920
Yes. Thank you, Mayor Min. The motion 

02:41:30.399 --> 02:41:33.399
I put tonight um strongly advocating for

02:41:34.960 --> 02:41:37.816
the responsible bodies that are listed

02:41:37.840 --> 02:41:40.840
here is very important to me and I know

02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:45.000
to I'm certainly council and  the

02:41:45.920 --> 02:41:48.920
community in general. This   motion

02:41:50.399 --> 02:41:53.399
seeks to add the other half to make the

02:41:54.080 --> 02:41:56.936
hole. The previous motion that I put

02:41:56.960 --> 02:41:59.960
based on the higher of these micro

02:42:02.240 --> 02:42:05.240
mobility devices. This is the

02:42:05.359 --> 02:42:08.359
privatelyowned ebikes, e- scooters and

02:42:08.479 --> 02:42:11.096
e- motorbikes. And it's addressing that

02:42:11.120 --> 02:42:14.120
part of the  devices or the use of the

02:42:15.040 --> 02:42:18.040
devices that is I'm advocating strongly

02:42:18.560 --> 02:42:21.560
to these responsible bodies. They need

02:42:21.920 --> 02:42:23.576
to

02:42:23.600 --> 02:42:26.455
ensure that regulation is appropriate

02:42:26.479 --> 02:42:29.479
contemporary with a rapidly changing 

02:42:30.640 --> 02:42:33.256
landscape in terms of these devices. the

02:42:33.280 --> 02:42:35.656
volume of devices that are coming into

02:42:35.680 --> 02:42:37.896
 Victoria in particular in Australia

02:42:37.920 --> 02:42:40.920
in general where

02:42:41.200 --> 02:42:44.200
these bikes are able to be  increased

02:42:44.960 --> 02:42:47.960
in power post sales and also  come

02:42:49.439 --> 02:42:52.439
into Victoria with with very high

02:42:52.479 --> 02:42:55.479
capaCity high speed limit high speeds

02:42:55.760 --> 02:42:58.375
available to the user.

02:42:58.399 --> 02:43:01.399
We have seen um for some time now um

02:43:04.240 --> 02:43:07.240
issues where safety  issues have

02:43:08.479 --> 02:43:11.479
arisen with  users not having helmets,

02:43:11.600 --> 02:43:14.600
not using helmets. Um many many hundreds

02:43:14.880 --> 02:43:17.256
if not thousands of incidents presenting

02:43:17.280 --> 02:43:20.280
to hospitals across Victoria for

02:43:20.479 --> 02:43:23.479
injuries of varying  degree.

02:43:25.200 --> 02:43:27.016
I believe it's very important as a

02:43:27.040 --> 02:43:30.040
society that we take care of perhaps if

02:43:31.200 --> 02:43:33.816
we look at our young people, we were all

02:43:33.840 --> 02:43:36.616
young once and perhaps we did silly

02:43:36.640 --> 02:43:38.455
things.

02:43:38.479 --> 02:43:40.375
An accident on on on one of these

02:43:40.399 --> 02:43:43.399
devices can be fatal but equally it can

02:43:45.359 --> 02:43:47.576
be lifechanging.

02:43:47.600 --> 02:43:50.600
I think the responsible bodies

02:43:50.720 --> 02:43:52.375
 the the state government in

02:43:52.399 --> 02:43:54.216
particular and those bodies within the

02:43:54.240 --> 02:43:57.016
state government have an absolute moral

02:43:57.040 --> 02:44:00.040
obligation to ensure that the 

02:44:02.960 --> 02:44:05.736
regulations are in place

02:44:05.760 --> 02:44:07.576
that the enforcability of those

02:44:07.600 --> 02:44:10.216
regulations is there and that we have a

02:44:10.240 --> 02:44:12.856
willingness from the Victorian police to

02:44:12.880 --> 02:44:15.880
enforce those  regulations and require

02:44:17.279 --> 02:44:20.279
moments. Um because the worst thing

02:44:20.960 --> 02:44:23.960
anyone could want is for someone

02:44:24.560 --> 02:44:26.216
thinking that these devices are just

02:44:26.240 --> 02:44:28.776
another toy traveling at 30 km an hour

02:44:28.800 --> 02:44:31.800
and more  down the main roads  of

02:44:31.840 --> 02:44:34.840
our of our City  having a a terrible

02:44:35.520 --> 02:44:38.520
accident or worse. So this is clearly

02:44:39.920 --> 02:44:41.896
this is a big issue for me. This is

02:44:41.920 --> 02:44:44.375
something that needs to be addressed. I

02:44:44.399 --> 02:44:46.056
don't believe that the government can

02:44:46.080 --> 02:44:48.216
walk away from these things. I

02:44:48.240 --> 02:44:50.455
understand there's a white noise with

02:44:50.479 --> 02:44:52.375
with state government in the sense that

02:44:52.399 --> 02:44:54.856
everyone wants something. This is a

02:44:54.880 --> 02:44:57.880
safety issue. They cannot walk away from

02:44:57.920 --> 02:45:00.920
this. I um am asking all of my fellow

02:45:02.160 --> 02:45:04.536
counselors to support this and that the

02:45:04.560 --> 02:45:07.560
message is sent loud and clear. We want

02:45:08.000 --> 02:45:10.295
something done about this, not just in

02:45:10.319 --> 02:45:13.176
our community, but across  Victoria.

02:45:13.200 --> 02:45:15.415
Thank you.

02:45:15.439 --> 02:45:18.375
That has been moved by Deputy Mayor M.

02:45:18.399 --> 02:45:21.399
Does the second wish to speak?

02:45:22.000 --> 02:45:25.000
 thank you, Mayor. Yes, I do. Um

02:45:25.920 --> 02:45:28.696
 I first want to thank  Deputy May

02:45:28.720 --> 02:45:31.016
for bringing this um this notice of

02:45:31.040 --> 02:45:34.040
motion. Um I've been thinking about this

02:45:34.160 --> 02:45:35.816
notice of motion a lot in the last few

02:45:35.840 --> 02:45:38.455
weeks and I think it can be taken in in

02:45:38.479 --> 02:45:41.479
one of two ways. It can either be seen

02:45:41.680 --> 02:45:44.680
as a a culture wars herald sun shouting

02:45:45.040 --> 02:45:47.576
at clouds exercise

02:45:47.600 --> 02:45:50.600
um or alternatively it can be seen as an

02:45:50.720 --> 02:45:53.335
insightful identification of linked

02:45:53.359 --> 02:45:55.976
systemic failures and I'm going to work

02:45:56.000 --> 02:45:57.415
tonight on the basis that it's the

02:45:57.439 --> 02:46:00.439
latter and not the former. Um this this

02:46:00.800 --> 02:46:02.375
issue here is about illegal motor

02:46:02.399 --> 02:46:05.399
vehicles. Um which is what these are is

02:46:05.840 --> 02:46:08.536
the nex is a policy failure, regulatory

02:46:08.560 --> 02:46:11.176
failure and enforcement failure. The

02:46:11.200 --> 02:46:13.736
policy failure here is the unrestrained

02:46:13.760 --> 02:46:16.455
capitalism that lets international

02:46:16.479 --> 02:46:19.176
corporations squeeze underpaid, insecure

02:46:19.200 --> 02:46:20.936
workers, these delivery drivers that we

02:46:20.960 --> 02:46:23.496
see on the roads to put themselves into

02:46:23.520 --> 02:46:25.736
danger just so that we can get our

02:46:25.760 --> 02:46:28.295
dinners delivered quickly. The

02:46:28.319 --> 02:46:31.319
regulatory failure was the Morrison

02:46:31.359 --> 02:46:33.736
government whose hunger for deregulation

02:46:33.760 --> 02:46:36.375
saw the motor vehicle act  standards

02:46:36.399 --> 02:46:38.455
act amended to remove ebikes from the

02:46:38.479 --> 02:46:40.536
definition of road vehicles. And this

02:46:40.560 --> 02:46:42.375
change removed the requirement for

02:46:42.399 --> 02:46:44.616
ebikes to meet key safety standards at

02:46:44.640 --> 02:46:47.096
import which led to a flood that we're

02:46:47.120 --> 02:46:48.856
seeing now of lowquality and dangerous

02:46:48.880 --> 02:46:51.656
vehicles, overpowered motors, untested

02:46:51.680 --> 02:46:53.816
batteries and poor design flooding into

02:46:53.840 --> 02:46:55.816
the country. And finally, we have the

02:46:55.840 --> 02:46:58.840
enforcement failure where our understaff

02:46:58.960 --> 02:47:00.696
police force has failed to enforce the

02:47:00.720 --> 02:47:02.856
basic road rules and the result is what

02:47:02.880 --> 02:47:05.880
we see. And this basically reveals a

02:47:06.000 --> 02:47:08.375
massive blind spot of the carnage on our

02:47:08.399 --> 02:47:11.255
roads. We write rightly talking here

02:47:11.279 --> 02:47:13.896
about 12 severe injuries in Port Phillip

02:47:13.920 --> 02:47:16.856
over the last four years. But we seem

02:47:16.880 --> 02:47:19.816
blind to the hundreds well to the deaths

02:47:19.840 --> 02:47:22.295
and hundreds of serious injuries on our

02:47:22.319 --> 02:47:25.319
roads that are caused by cars.

02:47:25.520 --> 02:47:27.496
and we should care equally about this

02:47:27.520 --> 02:47:30.520
harm. Otherwise, the alternative is that

02:47:31.120 --> 02:47:34.120
we admit that we're happy to trade some

02:47:34.399 --> 02:47:37.399
harm for convenience and comfort. Um,

02:47:38.479 --> 02:47:40.936
and we as a council will be put to test

02:47:40.960 --> 02:47:43.016
in a couple of months when the road

02:47:43.040 --> 02:47:45.255
safety plan is before us and we'll see

02:47:45.279 --> 02:47:47.335
who really cares about road safety and

02:47:47.359 --> 02:47:49.016
who just wants to complain about

02:47:49.040 --> 02:47:52.040
scooters. Um, so I'm going to support

02:47:52.479 --> 02:47:55.096
this on the basis that it's about

02:47:55.120 --> 02:47:58.120
systemic failures that we should  be

02:47:58.240 --> 02:48:01.096
addressing. That motion, the notice of

02:48:01.120 --> 02:48:02.776
motion has now been seconded. Are there

02:48:02.800 --> 02:48:04.776
any points of clarification or questions

02:48:04.800 --> 02:48:07.096
from counselors? Councelor Jay, I

02:48:07.120 --> 02:48:10.120
believe you have a question.

02:48:10.240 --> 02:48:11.816
Yeah, it was just something that I

02:48:11.840 --> 02:48:14.375
picked up on before and um we may not

02:48:14.399 --> 02:48:17.399
have the answer, but um can one of the

02:48:17.760 --> 02:48:20.760
officers perhaps um let me know if our

02:48:21.279 --> 02:48:24.279
local law 17 can be used to deal with

02:48:26.240 --> 02:48:29.240
illegal footpath riding um on our

02:48:29.520 --> 02:48:32.520
footpaths rather than  waiting for um

02:48:34.319 --> 02:48:37.096
the state to catch up. Is there a little

02:48:37.120 --> 02:48:38.936
loophole there we can use is my

02:48:38.960 --> 02:48:40.295
question.

02:48:40.319 --> 02:48:43.319
Can we find people on scooters on our um

02:48:44.000 --> 02:48:46.776
footpaths based on our local law and

02:48:46.800 --> 02:48:48.536
them being a nuisance?

02:48:48.560 --> 02:48:50.455
Okay, thank you councelor Jay. This

02:48:50.479 --> 02:48:53.335
relates to our enforcement powers.

02:48:53.359 --> 02:48:56.359
Um our local laws do provide for um the

02:48:59.120 --> 02:49:01.176
prohibition of behavior including 

02:49:01.200 --> 02:49:04.200
nuisance. However, the regulation of e-

02:49:04.800 --> 02:49:07.800
scooters in this context in terms of um

02:49:07.920 --> 02:49:10.920
on foot paths  is determined by state

02:49:11.200 --> 02:49:14.200
government legislation. It's not an area

02:49:14.240 --> 02:49:17.240
in which a local law can be applied.

02:49:18.800 --> 02:49:20.616
Okay. So, just for some further

02:49:20.640 --> 02:49:23.415
clarification here, as a new counselor,

02:49:23.439 --> 02:49:25.415
um my belief is always that local

02:49:25.439 --> 02:49:27.736
council filled in the gaps between state

02:49:27.760 --> 02:49:30.696
and local. While we're waiting for for

02:49:30.720 --> 02:49:32.856
state to come up with the legislation,

02:49:32.880 --> 02:49:35.576
can we not fill in that gap where it

02:49:35.600 --> 02:49:37.496
concerns safety and amenity on our

02:49:37.520 --> 02:49:39.896
footpaths for our community?

02:49:39.920 --> 02:49:42.920
Um through you, Mayor. Um the from a

02:49:43.520 --> 02:49:44.936
state government legislative

02:49:44.960 --> 02:49:47.960
perspective, there is  no  gap. The

02:49:48.240 --> 02:49:51.096
state government legislation um covers

02:49:51.120 --> 02:49:53.016
e- scooters, it covers where they can

02:49:53.040 --> 02:49:56.040
ride, it covers their speed  limits.

02:49:56.720 --> 02:49:59.720
What council can do, not for the private

02:50:00.080 --> 02:50:02.375
um e- scooters, but for those that we

02:50:02.399 --> 02:50:05.399
have arrangements in place, we can um

02:50:05.760 --> 02:50:07.976
and council has through its last

02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:10.936
resolution.  we can and councilors

02:50:10.960 --> 02:50:12.936
through the last council resolution as

02:50:12.960 --> 02:50:15.576
part of its procurement process um

02:50:15.600 --> 02:50:18.600
require that any um provider must 

02:50:21.279 --> 02:50:23.255
have have requirements around geo

02:50:23.279 --> 02:50:26.216
fencing um foot riding detection

02:50:26.240 --> 02:50:28.375
exclusion enforcement technology. have

02:50:28.399 --> 02:50:31.399
put in place mechanisms to ensure that

02:50:32.080 --> 02:50:34.056
the e- scooters that we have

02:50:34.080 --> 02:50:36.295
arrangements with or those companies

02:50:36.319 --> 02:50:39.319
cannot um um cannot go on footpaths but

02:50:41.359 --> 02:50:44.359
the enforcement um of that is a state

02:50:45.040 --> 02:50:48.040
matter um we can our workaround is

02:50:48.319 --> 02:50:50.375
through the contractual um requirements

02:50:50.399 --> 02:50:51.896
that we'll put in place as part of our

02:50:51.920 --> 02:50:54.536
procurement process.

02:50:54.560 --> 02:50:57.560
All right, thanks Brian. Um, Mary, are

02:50:57.600 --> 02:50:59.415
you happy for me to speak to this motion

02:50:59.439 --> 02:50:59.976
now?

02:51:00.000 --> 02:51:01.816
Yes, you can.

02:51:01.840 --> 02:51:04.840
Um, , council me, I absolutely support

02:51:06.319 --> 02:51:08.856
this motion. I think this is the gap

02:51:08.880 --> 02:51:11.880
that was missing in the previous um

02:51:11.920 --> 02:51:13.816
meeting where our residents did want to

02:51:13.840 --> 02:51:16.840
see some, you know, real real um call

02:51:18.399 --> 02:51:21.399
out of the safety um of the safety

02:51:21.840 --> 02:51:23.896
aspect and wanting our legislation to

02:51:23.920 --> 02:51:26.920
catch up to our community concerns. Um

02:51:27.439 --> 02:51:30.439
e- motorbikes fun e scooters a lot of

02:51:31.680 --> 02:51:34.216
fun. Um I've been driving for you know

02:51:34.240 --> 02:51:36.936
over 30 years and it is so important to

02:51:36.960 --> 02:51:38.776
be extra aware when you're dealing with

02:51:38.800 --> 02:51:41.800
these um high high power vehicles that

02:51:42.160 --> 02:51:44.856
that as a sort of toys but but certainly

02:51:44.880 --> 02:51:47.880
not toys. Um, I really fear for the

02:51:48.640 --> 02:51:51.016
young kids that are out on the streets,

02:51:51.040 --> 02:51:54.040
um, you know, they're 14, 15, 16, , on

02:51:55.200 --> 02:51:58.056
these high-powered vehicles, um, having

02:51:58.080 --> 02:52:00.856
a lot of fun, but really don't have the,

02:52:00.880 --> 02:52:03.096
, maturity, the experience, or the

02:52:03.120 --> 02:52:06.120
understanding of, , road rules, um,

02:52:06.160 --> 02:52:09.160
traffic, , you know, danger, safety,

02:52:09.439 --> 02:52:12.439
and things like that. Um I absolutely

02:52:12.880 --> 02:52:15.576
support this motion and I really hope

02:52:15.600 --> 02:52:18.536
that these changes come sooner rather

02:52:18.560 --> 02:52:21.560
than later. Um  we cannot afford to

02:52:22.960 --> 02:52:25.960
have um youth lose their lives um just

02:52:27.279 --> 02:52:30.136
getting from A to B. So I support this

02:52:30.160 --> 02:52:32.455
motion. Thank you.

02:52:32.479 --> 02:52:34.375
Thank you councelor Jay. Any other

02:52:34.399 --> 02:52:36.136
councelor wish to speak for to the

02:52:36.160 --> 02:52:39.160
motion before us? Councelor Hardy,

02:52:39.840 --> 02:52:41.736
enforcement and regulation should not be

02:52:41.760 --> 02:52:44.455
up to our scarce resources. These

02:52:44.479 --> 02:52:46.136
devices need to be taken from the

02:52:46.160 --> 02:52:47.976
streets until the commercial operators

02:52:48.000 --> 02:52:50.295
and the manufacturers are willing to

02:52:50.319 --> 02:52:53.096
abide by the regulatory conditions. I

02:52:53.120 --> 02:52:56.120
would gladly raise a glass of graange

02:52:56.399 --> 02:52:59.255
hopefully with my  colleagues when the

02:52:59.279 --> 02:53:01.496
last one leaves the City of Port

02:53:01.520 --> 02:53:03.255
Phillip.

02:53:03.279 --> 02:53:05.176
Any

02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:06.616
other counselors wish to speak?

02:53:06.640 --> 02:53:08.856
Councelor Tamalan.

02:53:08.880 --> 02:53:10.375


02:53:10.399 --> 02:53:12.936
I'd like to sort of make two points. 

02:53:12.960 --> 02:53:15.960
the first point is  as the president

02:53:16.080 --> 02:53:18.216
of French Assist Melbourne, I have

02:53:18.240 --> 02:53:20.696
unfortunately to deal with a lot of 

02:53:20.720 --> 02:53:23.335
young French men  and women who have

02:53:23.359 --> 02:53:26.359
had accidents using these  vehicles as

02:53:26.960 --> 02:53:29.960
part of  you know the Uber Uber Eat

02:53:30.640 --> 02:53:33.415
deliveries and others and there have

02:53:33.439 --> 02:53:36.439
been some serious accidents. Um so the

02:53:37.120 --> 02:53:39.016
point is that you know a lot of people

02:53:39.040 --> 02:53:42.040
who use those things are actually  

02:53:42.160 --> 02:53:45.016
young  overseas travelers on working

02:53:45.040 --> 02:53:48.040
holiday visas and um knowing some of the

02:53:48.960 --> 02:53:51.096
French boys mainly  you know they

02:53:51.120 --> 02:53:53.016
don't necessarily  care that much

02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:55.976
about road rules  in this country. So

02:53:56.000 --> 02:53:57.736
the only way we can actually regulate

02:53:57.760 --> 02:53:59.335
that is to actually give them vehicles

02:53:59.359 --> 02:54:02.359
that are that  where they can do

02:54:02.640 --> 02:54:05.496
whatever they want to do. Um and then

02:54:05.520 --> 02:54:07.816
the second point is that we know the

02:54:07.840 --> 02:54:10.455
technology exist because we have  the

02:54:10.479 --> 02:54:13.479
the or the lime and others who  rent

02:54:15.359 --> 02:54:18.359
 e scooters  on a very short 

02:54:18.399 --> 02:54:21.399
basis. We know these vehicles have got

02:54:21.840 --> 02:54:24.840
ways to  stop um them going on foot

02:54:26.080 --> 02:54:29.080
paths and speeding etc etc. So the the

02:54:29.120 --> 02:54:32.120
technology exists and I think it's  it

02:54:32.399 --> 02:54:34.375
would be very appropriate for that

02:54:34.399 --> 02:54:37.096
technology to be spread you know along

02:54:37.120 --> 02:54:39.896
the sector not just um to the people who

02:54:39.920 --> 02:54:42.776
rent one but also to people who buy one.

02:54:42.800 --> 02:54:45.335
So I think it's  important that 

02:54:45.359 --> 02:54:48.295
this legislation is updated.  we know

02:54:48.319 --> 02:54:51.096
we I think it's  great that we have

02:54:51.120 --> 02:54:52.776
other ways of transport that is

02:54:52.800 --> 02:54:55.415
different from cars and public transport

02:54:55.439 --> 02:54:58.136
but we want to make sure or do whatever

02:54:58.160 --> 02:55:00.936
we can that this the use of these

02:55:00.960 --> 02:55:03.960
vehicles is  safe.

02:55:04.880 --> 02:55:06.936
Thank you councelor Timman. Any other

02:55:06.960 --> 02:55:09.496
councilors wish to speak to the motion

02:55:09.520 --> 02:55:11.496
before us?

02:55:11.520 --> 02:55:13.976
Any

02:55:14.000 --> 02:55:17.000
other councilors wish to speak?

02:55:17.520 --> 02:55:19.896
No. In which case I will add to the

02:55:19.920 --> 02:55:22.920
debate and indicate my support for this

02:55:23.840 --> 02:55:26.136
notice of motion.

02:55:26.160 --> 02:55:29.160
Last meeting we looked at how we through

02:55:29.439 --> 02:55:32.056
our procurement policies can guide the

02:55:32.080 --> 02:55:35.080
provision of public high schemes around

02:55:35.680 --> 02:55:38.680
micromobility devices. and we attached

02:55:38.960 --> 02:55:40.856
quite reasonably a number of

02:55:40.880 --> 02:55:43.736
requirements around that. It makes sense

02:55:43.760 --> 02:55:46.760
for the private scooter market and the

02:55:46.880 --> 02:55:49.335
private e-moto bike market and the

02:55:49.359 --> 02:55:52.359
private ebike market to share to address

02:55:53.760 --> 02:55:56.760
these issues as well. I note that the

02:55:56.880 --> 02:55:59.335
resolution before us  includes

02:55:59.359 --> 02:56:01.415
advocacy at both a state and a

02:56:01.439 --> 02:56:03.096
commonwealth level addressing some of

02:56:03.120 --> 02:56:04.936
the gaps that councelor Holidayiday has

02:56:04.960 --> 02:56:07.896
rightfully highlighted. This is around

02:56:07.920 --> 02:56:10.696
ensuring that we have a range of

02:56:10.720 --> 02:56:13.720
mobility devices that are safe and able

02:56:15.120 --> 02:56:18.120
to be used in our community and ensuring

02:56:18.160 --> 02:56:21.160
that there are rules that parties

02:56:21.200 --> 02:56:24.200
follow. It makes sense that we tighten

02:56:24.640 --> 02:56:27.640
the private market and ensure that there

02:56:27.840 --> 02:56:30.776
is adequate requirements here. This is

02:56:30.800 --> 02:56:32.776
not a new issue. This has been an issue

02:56:32.800 --> 02:56:35.335
that has been highlighted periodically

02:56:35.359 --> 02:56:38.359
through media, through other advocacy

02:56:38.399 --> 02:56:41.399
around the need for regulatory oversight

02:56:41.520 --> 02:56:43.335
and it is one that does need to be

02:56:43.359 --> 02:56:46.295
addressed so that we can ensure that the

02:56:46.319 --> 02:56:49.255
devices that are actually causing far

02:56:49.279 --> 02:56:51.576
more incidents than the public high

02:56:51.600 --> 02:56:53.976
schemes are actually addressed and that

02:56:54.000 --> 02:56:56.616
we have responsibility in their use, in

02:56:56.640 --> 02:56:58.856
their importation and in their

02:56:58.880 --> 02:57:00.936
regulatory oversight. I commend the

02:57:00.960 --> 02:57:03.415
motion and thank the deputy Mayor for

02:57:03.439 --> 02:57:06.439
bringing this forward to this chamber.

02:57:07.439 --> 02:57:10.216
Does the mover wish to close? Thank you,

02:57:10.240 --> 02:57:13.016
May. Just briefly,  we've talked about

02:57:13.040 --> 02:57:15.576
personal safety. We've talen about we've

02:57:15.600 --> 02:57:17.576
talked about choices that young people

02:57:17.600 --> 02:57:20.536
are making. There's one other issue that

02:57:20.560 --> 02:57:23.560
um my motion wants to go to and through

02:57:24.560 --> 02:57:27.335
regulatory processes hopefully we can

02:57:27.359 --> 02:57:28.936
address it.

02:57:28.960 --> 02:57:30.616
 it is clear that there is a

02:57:30.640 --> 02:57:33.640
significant  danger from  battery

02:57:35.279 --> 02:57:36.936
charging

02:57:36.960 --> 02:57:39.016
in  buildings and I'm talking about

02:57:39.040 --> 02:57:41.415
highrises in particular but also in

02:57:41.439 --> 02:57:44.439
houses etc. But in a confined space in a

02:57:45.680 --> 02:57:47.816
19story

02:57:47.840 --> 02:57:50.840
 high-rise tower, a fire which has

02:57:53.040 --> 02:57:56.040
happened and happens regularly

02:57:56.080 --> 02:57:59.080
um is perhaps got catastrophic results.

02:58:00.240 --> 02:58:03.096
So there are many things that are

02:58:03.120 --> 02:58:06.120
leading off from this advocacy

02:58:06.319 --> 02:58:08.536
um that we need to address. The key

02:58:08.560 --> 02:58:10.856
element that rides all the way through

02:58:10.880 --> 02:58:13.880
this that is this thread is that of

02:58:14.000 --> 02:58:16.776
safety, community safety, and for our

02:58:16.800 --> 02:58:19.496
society to work better using these

02:58:19.520 --> 02:58:22.216
devices. Now, I could be a cranky old

02:58:22.240 --> 02:58:24.776
guy and say no more e- scooters cuz I

02:58:24.800 --> 02:58:27.736
just don't like them. The fact is that

02:58:27.760 --> 02:58:30.536
it is a legitimate way for people to get

02:58:30.560 --> 02:58:33.560
around and it will change and improve

02:58:33.680 --> 02:58:36.216
and the devices will get better, etc.,

02:58:36.240 --> 02:58:39.240
etc., as time goes on. This seeks to be

02:58:40.160 --> 02:58:43.160
in control of that process as opposed to

02:58:44.000 --> 02:58:46.696
gee what just happened then we need to

02:58:46.720 --> 02:58:49.255
be in front of the wave and make sure

02:58:49.279 --> 02:58:51.736
that  we've got some level of control.

02:58:51.760 --> 02:58:54.760
So I strongly u put this motion or

02:58:55.600 --> 02:58:58.600
strongly advocate for these bodies to 

02:58:58.800 --> 02:59:01.800
get behind this and  give the

02:59:02.080 --> 02:59:03.976
community the support it needs. Thank

02:59:04.000 --> 02:59:05.176
you.

02:59:05.200 --> 02:59:08.200
Thank you. That motion has now been put.

02:59:08.399 --> 02:59:11.399
All those in favor,

02:59:11.760 --> 02:59:14.760
the motion is carried unanimously.

02:59:17.760 --> 02:59:20.760
That takes us now to item 15, reports by

02:59:21.200 --> 02:59:23.816
councelor delegates.

02:59:23.840 --> 02:59:26.216
Any items that councilors wish to share

02:59:26.240 --> 02:59:29.240
under their delegate reports?

02:59:31.200 --> 02:59:34.200
Yes, councelor J.

02:59:35.760 --> 02:59:38.760
Um, I did attend a conference last week

02:59:39.200 --> 02:59:41.576
as a counselor. Um, and it was

02:59:41.600 --> 02:59:44.136
essentially  South Melbourne

02:59:44.160 --> 02:59:46.375
organization putting on a conference

02:59:46.399 --> 02:59:49.016
about the business of comedy. There was

02:59:49.040 --> 02:59:52.040
a meeting of the minds um architects 

02:59:52.960 --> 02:59:54.616
PhDs

02:59:54.640 --> 02:59:57.640
 doctors, comedians, producers, um all

02:59:58.560 --> 03:00:00.216
sorts of people connected to that

03:00:00.240 --> 03:00:02.536
creative that digital creative industry,

03:00:02.560 --> 03:00:05.560
podcasters and essentially um  you

03:00:06.960 --> 03:00:09.415
know there was Nina Taylor MP on a

03:00:09.439 --> 03:00:11.096
panel. There was many panels throughout

03:00:11.120 --> 03:00:13.816
the conference um and essentially it was

03:00:13.840 --> 03:00:15.656
a meeting of the minds on how they could

03:00:15.680 --> 03:00:18.680
turn um  comedy which is a a really

03:00:19.520 --> 03:00:22.520
great um  industry  the the comedy

03:00:24.000 --> 03:00:26.776
festival sells over 800,000 tickets

03:00:26.800 --> 03:00:29.800
every year.  comedy is known to lift

03:00:30.240 --> 03:00:32.536
people's spirits, deal with u mental

03:00:32.560 --> 03:00:35.016
health and depression. Um, and there's

03:00:35.040 --> 03:00:38.040
certainly a want to have South Melbourne

03:00:38.399 --> 03:00:41.399
play a part in um, the home of the arts

03:00:42.160 --> 03:00:44.696
, especially around the comedy. So,

03:00:44.720 --> 03:00:46.216
that was a really interesting

03:00:46.240 --> 03:00:49.240
perspective um, hearing all those ,

03:00:49.760 --> 03:00:52.216
all those people and organizations come

03:00:52.240 --> 03:00:55.240
together and and and and create a plan

03:00:55.359 --> 03:00:58.359
or a strategy on creating a hub , for

03:00:58.960 --> 03:01:01.960
comedy in in Melbourne.

03:01:02.479 --> 03:01:04.056
Thank you, Councelor Joy. and glad to

03:01:04.080 --> 03:01:05.736
hear you enjoy that conference. Any

03:01:05.760 --> 03:01:07.656
other councilors wish to speak to any

03:01:07.680 --> 03:01:10.680
items through their delegates report?

03:01:12.160 --> 03:01:15.096
I have two items I wish to share. The

03:01:15.120 --> 03:01:17.736
first is a correction on last council

03:01:17.760 --> 03:01:19.656
meeting I mentioned on the 15th of March

03:01:19.680 --> 03:01:21.736
I attended the St. Patrick's Day the St.

03:01:21.760 --> 03:01:23.896
Kilder St. Patrick's Day festival and I

03:01:23.920 --> 03:01:25.656
mentioned the counselors were present

03:01:25.680 --> 03:01:27.335
but I did actually forget a counselor

03:01:27.359 --> 03:01:29.415
that was there as well. Councelor Hardy

03:01:29.439 --> 03:01:32.439
was also there. So did want to highlight

03:01:32.640 --> 03:01:34.136
that you were there at St. Patrick's Day

03:01:34.160 --> 03:01:36.616
in St. Kilda alongside myself, councelor

03:01:36.640 --> 03:01:39.640
Timman, and councelor Jay.

03:01:40.319 --> 03:01:41.976
Yep. Certainly. I I told you I wouldn't

03:01:42.000 --> 03:01:44.616
forget you, Councelor Hardy. And my

03:01:44.640 --> 03:01:47.640
second item is from the 30th of March

03:01:49.120 --> 03:01:52.120
through to Wednesday the 1st of April. I

03:01:52.800 --> 03:01:55.800
was invited to join a delegation through

03:01:56.720 --> 03:01:59.016
the municipal association of Victoria

03:01:59.040 --> 03:02:02.040
alongside the Mayors of Marabanong

03:02:02.880 --> 03:02:05.880
and  a number of other Mayors in

03:02:06.160 --> 03:02:08.616
advocating on a range of federal

03:02:08.640 --> 03:02:10.696
priorities  local government

03:02:10.720 --> 03:02:12.696
priorities from a federal perspective.

03:02:12.720 --> 03:02:15.720
So we had a whole series of ministerial

03:02:15.840 --> 03:02:18.840
meetings in Canberra discussing 

03:02:19.040 --> 03:02:21.496
social cohesion which is a major issue

03:02:21.520 --> 03:02:23.656
or major priority in this council as

03:02:23.680 --> 03:02:26.216
well as several others as well as also

03:02:26.240 --> 03:02:28.856
the need for ongoing investment in City

03:02:28.880 --> 03:02:31.335
shaping infrastructure once again a

03:02:31.359 --> 03:02:33.096
significant issue in this municipality

03:02:33.120 --> 03:02:36.120
with fisherman's band and also the

03:02:36.319 --> 03:02:39.319
ongoing viability and sustainability of

03:02:39.520 --> 03:02:41.576
local government. I want to thank the

03:02:41.600 --> 03:02:43.496
municipal association Victoria for

03:02:43.520 --> 03:02:45.576
convening that delegation and secondly

03:02:45.600 --> 03:02:48.600
for inviting me to be part of it. I know

03:02:48.640 --> 03:02:51.496
there's often discussion around well why

03:02:51.520 --> 03:02:52.936
does local government get involved in

03:02:52.960 --> 03:02:55.176
advocacy and as we saw at the start of

03:02:55.200 --> 03:02:57.976
this meeting when we recognized the

03:02:58.000 --> 03:03:00.536
efforts of our community alongside this

03:03:00.560 --> 03:03:02.856
council. It is advocacy that actually

03:03:02.880 --> 03:03:05.096
provides positive outcomes for our

03:03:05.120 --> 03:03:06.856
community. Whether it's noise acoustic

03:03:06.880 --> 03:03:09.096
cameras, whether it's urban planning,

03:03:09.120 --> 03:03:10.856
whether it's urban renewal or the

03:03:10.880 --> 03:03:12.295
infrastructure that we need for the

03:03:12.319 --> 03:03:14.375
future of this municipality in our

03:03:14.399 --> 03:03:16.856
community, if we are not there alongside

03:03:16.880 --> 03:03:19.415
our community speaking to decision

03:03:19.439 --> 03:03:21.976
makers in advocating for it, there's a

03:03:22.000 --> 03:03:23.816
diminished likelihood of it happening.

03:03:23.840 --> 03:03:26.536
And that is why councils are involved in

03:03:26.560 --> 03:03:29.016
advocacy. That is why it was a privilege

03:03:29.040 --> 03:03:31.576
to be part of that delegation and to

03:03:31.600 --> 03:03:33.896
been invited alongside

03:03:33.920 --> 03:03:36.056
others at the Municipal Association of

03:03:36.080 --> 03:03:38.616
Victoria.

03:03:38.640 --> 03:03:41.496
Any other counselors wish to share their

03:03:41.520 --> 03:03:44.520
delegate reports?

03:03:46.479 --> 03:03:48.616
And as I like to remind people, out of

03:03:48.640 --> 03:03:50.136
all the destinations you go to this

03:03:50.160 --> 03:03:52.056
country, Camber is certainly not one

03:03:52.080 --> 03:03:55.080
that I'd go to voluntarily. So

03:03:57.920 --> 03:03:59.896
 there being no other delegate

03:03:59.920 --> 03:04:02.920
reports, we shall move on then to item

03:04:02.960 --> 03:04:05.576
16, urgent business. We councilors,

03:04:05.600 --> 03:04:07.496
there are no items to my knowledge of

03:04:07.520 --> 03:04:09.096
urgent business. Please correct me if

03:04:09.120 --> 03:04:11.816
I'm incorrect here, but after 3 and 1

03:04:11.840 --> 03:04:12.936
half hours, it's probably not that

03:04:12.960 --> 03:04:15.816
urgent. And any confidential items?

03:04:15.840 --> 03:04:17.496
There are no confidential items in

03:04:17.520 --> 03:04:20.520
tonight's agenda. And therefore, we will

03:04:20.640 --> 03:04:23.640
now be closing the council meeting at 3

03:04:24.240 --> 03:04:27.240
10 p.m. on Wednesday, the 22nd of April,

03:04:27.520 --> 03:04:29.896
2026. Thank you to those of you in our

03:04:29.920 --> 03:04:31.496
public gallery who have stayed to the

03:04:31.520 --> 03:04:34.136
very end. And also to those of you that

03:04:34.160 --> 03:04:37.096
are online, we'll be back  next week

03:04:37.120 --> 03:04:39.576
with  next Wednesday is our next

03:04:39.600 --> 03:04:42.136
council meeting which  will be the

03:04:42.160 --> 03:04:43.656
special meeting of council around the

03:04:43.680 --> 03:04:46.680
council budget and  council plan

03:04:47.120 --> 03:04:50.120
 the draft adoption

03:04:52.479 --> 03:04:55.479
meeting close.