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And welcome everyone to tonight's

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meeting of Port Phillip City Council for

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our meeting of the 17th of June 2026.

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As always, our council respectfully

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acknowledges traditional owners and

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custodians of the Kulin Nation. We

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acknowledge their legacy and spiritual

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connection to the land and waterways

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across the City of Port Phillip and pay

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our heartfelt respect to Elders past,

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present, and emerging myself,

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councelor Jay and councelor Thomann

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joined a citizenship ceremony last night

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and  Uncle Mark Brown was such a 

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real energizing in terms of how he

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explained the welcome to country and

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also met with many of the new conferies

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in speaking about the importance of

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reconciliation and the journey forward.

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So a great reminder around  our

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respects to the traditional owners of

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the Kulin Nation.

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As always and as we have seen here this

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evening, tonight's meeting is conducted

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in a hybrid style and is being streamed

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via council's webcast page and Facebook

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live. Streams and recordings of council

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meetings are copyrighted and cannot be

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altered, reproduced or republished

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without the permission of council.

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And if we experience any technical

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difficulties this evening, we will

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adjourn the meeting just for while we

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need to take time to resolve those

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challenges. And of course, do remind all

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members of the public addressing council

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to extend due courtesy and respect to

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council and the processes under which we

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operate and to take direction from the

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chair being myself whenever called to do

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so. Speakers must always remain

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respectful. statements or questions must

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not be defamatory, offensive, or

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objectionable, or aimed at embarrassing

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a counselor or a member of council staff

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or relate to matters outside the control

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of council. I also ask, particularly as

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we get to public question time and speak

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into submissions, not to approach

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counselors at our desks during this

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meeting. If you do have any

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documentation you wish to share, please

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distribute that to our governance team

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who are there by the door and they'll be

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able to distribute that accordingly to

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counselors.

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And in the unlikely event of an

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emergency, don't listen to me. Listen to

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our governance team by the door who will

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be able to helpfully guide us during any

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 emergencies which hopefully will not

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occur. Any apologies here this evening?

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The answer is no. We are all here.

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minutes of our previous meetings. We

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have our minutes of the council meeting

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for the 3rd of June 2026. They've been

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circulated. Are there any questions

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relating to those minutes?

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If the answer is no, then do we have a

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mover to adopt those minutes?

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That is moved. Councelor Halliday,

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seconded councelor Crawford.

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It's a procedural motion, so we'll put

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that to a vote. All those in favor that

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is carried unanimously

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and that is adopted. Declarations of

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conflict of interest. Does any counselor

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have a conflict of interest in a matter

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being discussed at tonight's meeting?

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Yes, councelor Cunsolo.

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Thank you. I have a conflict of interest

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on the  I have read it in front of me.

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The caravan  trailer. I'll excuse

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myself during that me time.

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Great. So item 10.1 as a general or

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material conflict of interest

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material because I have a caravan.

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Thank you. Thank you councelor Cunsolo

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that has been noted

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for item 10.1.

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A few dates of significance over the

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period of  this council fortnight. 

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the first being refugee week which we

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have now entered over this week and do

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want to acknowledge  refugee week and

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the key opportunity to build

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understanding of refugees, the

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challenges they face and the valuable

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contributions refugees make to our

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community. Over the weekend, I had the

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pleasure of beginning Sunday morning

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with the Bay Street Migration Trail, a

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recognition of the impact that migrants

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and refugees have had on Bay Street and

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Port Melbourne and more broadly across

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Port Philip and our community. And then

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ended the afternoon with  space to be

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and their exhibition a million stories

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showcasing through art the stories of

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refugee and migrant communities. And

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this is a really great reminder of the

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need and this council in welcoming

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refugees being a refugee welcome

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council. We display refugees welcome at

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the assist banner and our commitment

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ongoing commitment to inclusion and also

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the work that we've done across our

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organizations and a recent author talk

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at the Emerald Hill Library.

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Just wanted to recognize refugee week

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and once again that significance that

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refugees, migrant communities have in

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our society. And also in the month of

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June, we have Pride Month. I had the

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pleasure of joining Joy 94.9 for an

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outside broadcast at South Melbourne

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Market on Sunday as well. Actually, it

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was a very busy day. and you know 

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supporting the radiothon of joy 94.9

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supporting

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the history that Joy has and the

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Victorian Pride Center. Joy in

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particular has a very strong

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significance to South Melbourne. Its

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first studios were in Coventry Street

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before it moved to the Victorian Pride

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Center. And do I acknowledge that Pride

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Month is celebrated annually in June to

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honor the 1969 Stonewall riots in New

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York City. And it really serves as a

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global movement recognizing LGBTQIA

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plus culture, equal rights, and

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uplifting rainbow voices.

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Also do want to acknowledge an order of

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Australia for Dr. John Sparings. And I

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do on behalf of this council wish to

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congratulate Dr. John Sparings. AO on

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receiving the officer of the order of

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Australia in the 2026 King's birthday

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honors in recognition of his

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distinguished service to social policy

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research advocacy the not for-p profofit

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sector and the community of Port

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Phillip. Dr. Sparing's contribution to

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public life is outstanding and

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significant as a counselor for the city

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of St Kilda from 1990 to 1994 and as

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mayor in 1992 to93. He provided strong

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civic leadership during the formative

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years of this municipality.

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His service was characterized by

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commitment to committee well-being,

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inclusive decision-m, thoughtful policy

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de development, and he's left a lasting

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impact on the local area. And for those

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of us that know John or Dr. Sparings,

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he's still heavily involved in the

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community and a number of fantastic

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causes as well. So congratulations on

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behalf of the city of Port Phillip, John

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for  this rec very important

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recognition.

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Brings us now to item four, our public

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question time and submissions. So we're

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now going to hear all public questions

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and submissions on report items.

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Just  in terms of the process, under

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council's governance rules, public

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questions are asked about items not on

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the agenda. So therefore, public

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questions are referred to an officer for

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a response. If you're speaking to an

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agenda item tonight, a counselor has the

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option of taking those the statement up

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on your behalf as questions when we get

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to that item. And just a reminder once

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again for members of the public, you

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must not disclose another individual's

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personal or confidential information

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such as name, address, or any other

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piece of information that wouldn't be

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publicly available and would be

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considered private. And worst case

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scenario, should someone participating

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in tonight's meeting not take direction

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from the chair or comply with these

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conditions, we do have the prerogative

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to remove that person from the meeting.

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Takes us now to our public question

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time.

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Yep.

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We're just finalizing

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Okay, so we have no public questions in

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which case we will go to speaking to an

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agenda item 6.2 the petition on delaying

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the adoption of the safe travel strategy

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and action plan. Our first speaker to

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this item, you will have two minutes

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beginning with your name and suburb is

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Adrien Sakosi.

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Come on up.

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Is this on? No. Thank you. Just test.

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If the red light's on, it's on. Red

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light's on. Can you hear me?

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Awesome. It's on.

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Great. Thank you, Adrianne Sarosi,

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Middle Park mayor and counselors, thank

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you for the opportunity to speak. I'm

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here on behalf of more than 500 local

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residents who signed a petition calling

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for greater transparency before the

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strategy proceeds. Having read council's

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response, I appreciate the clarification

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that roadmap to zero is described as a

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highle framework and not a specific list

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of projects. However, that explanation

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actually raises a lot more important

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questions. If there's no specific

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projects, no identified costs, no

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identified parking impacts, no

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identified road changes, and no

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identified speed reductions, then how

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can residents properly assess what

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they're being asked to support?

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Council's response repeatedly tells us

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that the details will come later, the

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technical assessments will come later,

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the costs will come later, the community

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consultation will come later, the pro

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project approvals will come later, the

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budget decisions will come later. But

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residents are being asked to accept the

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strategic direction. Now this is where

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trust becomes important. Good governance

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is not simply about consulting once

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decisions have been effectively shaped.

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Good governance means providing enough

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information upfront for the community to

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understand the potential consequences of

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the direction being proposed. No one

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here is arguing against road safety. We

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all want safer streets. We all want

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fewer injuries and fewer deaths. What

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residents are asking is for transparency

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before councils adopts a strategy that

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may influence future decisions affecting

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roads, parking, access, traffic flow,

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and community amenity. Residents deserve

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a clearer understanding of what success

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looks like, what options are being

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considered, and what impacts may

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ultimately follow. The C community is

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not asking council to stop planning.

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We're asking council to bring residents

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along for the journey before locking

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into policy. For that reason, I

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respectfully ask councilors to delay

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adoption of the strategy until the

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community is provided with a greater

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detail and a genuine opportunity to

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consider the implications of the

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direction being proposed. Thank you very

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much for having me. And just for the

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record, I'm not spreading

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misinformation. I just have questions

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from our community. And I live on

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Beaconsville Parade, which is a

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nightmare sometimes. So, thank you.

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Thank you, Adrienne, for speaking to

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that item

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and for giving us some surplus time

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back. Thank you. , next speaker is

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Rodney Mitchell. Come on down.

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You know the drill. Name and suburb and

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then two minutes. Welcome, Rod.

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Thank you, Mayor. Rod Mitchell, S Kilda.

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Mayor, I'm deeply concerned about the

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proposed road map to zero strategy being

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tabled as it is. This current proposal

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ask more questions than it answers. That

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is why I signed the petition. I do not

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know how this proposal can even be

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remotely effective unless there is full

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consultant report beforehand on a street

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by street basis on what are the critical

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roads in our city including review of

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feeder roads into major artilleries.

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Such a report should also work to

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alleviate current congestion and choke

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points. I do not know how council can

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garnish community support without a full

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plebite of residents on such a critical

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issue as this. I remain surprised at the

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need for near blanket style speed

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reductions and their overall effic

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efficiency, especially when we should be

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targeting major roads or intersections

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where there's strong evidence of safety

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concerns. The policy indicates that

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those roads are not council roads. I do

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not understand why council lower than

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average fatality rate and serious

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accidents not on council roads. Why is

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this an urgent priority of the council?

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I remain concerned about the lack of

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details on bike paths and removal of car

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parks, especially to businesses already

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finding it hard to survive. I'm reminded

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of what the popular councelor Betty J

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said recently. Bike paths to nowhere. A

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full review, if implemented, must also

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look at existing bike paths with little

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to no use, like Fitzroy Street and the

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damage that has caused to traders and

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the death of a patron. There is no

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detailed costing because this proposal

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is not remotely strong enough to do one.

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Mayor, council trust is at a low.

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Council surveys tell the story. We're

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being asked to trust council with the

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process from finalization of a plan,

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questionable evidence-based support,

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evaluation and monitoring, speed

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reductions, more bike lanes,

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implementation, and cost. The

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short-lived 38 km of dangerous pop-up

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bike lanes in 2022 is a good example of

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poor planning and a costly exercise

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leading to its removal. Mayor, I urge

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you to indefinitely delay the motion to

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adopt the policy which is now scheduled

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for the 5th of August. Thank you.

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Thank you, Rod. Right down to two

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minutes.

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Marcel Randles,  you'll be speaking

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twice tonight on two different items.

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This is for item 6.2, the petition, and

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then I'll bring you back later to speak

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to the other item. 2 minutes starting

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with your name and suburb.

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Um good evening. My name is Marcel. I

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live in Middle Park. I want to speak

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here tonight um about this topic. is

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very important to me as I live in one of

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the roads that is included in these

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plans. I own a car and I also own five

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bicycles. This morning I checked my

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straa and I've ridden 33,000 km in total

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on my bike. So it's fair to say I use

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these roads quite a lot. I have three

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points I'd like to make. First of all, I

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absolutely agree with the last two

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speakers. We need way more details

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before this plan goes ahead. During the

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backlash of the pop-up bike lanes, um I

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remember Marcus Pel being the mayor at

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the time. He described to us how the

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Department of Transport approached the

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council. They used the words temporary,

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light touch, and trial. I think it's

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absolutely clear that those words were

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incorrect. The yellow markings um in our

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roads were heavy duty paint that had to

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be burnt into our grounds with blow

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torches and left behind permanent scars

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once they were removed. Um the bolers

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that filled our intersections were

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anything but light touch. The proposal,

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this proposal, I've read the report, has

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exactly the same possibility to happen.

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Um it had it said it could use any of

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the treatments listed and then it listed

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various treatments. Some of the

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treatments for my back street were to

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make it a one-way street, a 30 km hour

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street, a um they want to turn the

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sidewalk into a bike lane and paint it

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yellow. I think these details are

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extremely important before we go ahead

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with any further proceedings. Second of

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all, this could not be less necessary.

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As a cyclist myself, I could not be more

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opposed to this constant increase in

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anti-car infrastructure. Our roads are

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already safe. My street is currently

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used by school kids and commuters all

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day long as it is all

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point of order. Mayor, our roads,

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your point of order,

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our roads are not actually safe. Safe by

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definition would be zero injuries or

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fatalities on our roads and that is not

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I think we're getting into semantics.

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The word safe is debatable, but let's

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continue. Um, painting the street yellow

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or green, putting endless speed bumps,

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making it one way is just not necessary.

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On top of that, it's a great way to ruin

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our heritage street. Third point ranges

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my first two points mute. This argument

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is very simple. We've seen the backlash

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from the pop-up bike lanes. The

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government is here to represent the

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people. The people have spoken loud and

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clear that we don't want these bike

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lanes. This should be enough.

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Thank you, Marcel. Next speaker,

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Joanne Leonard, come on down.

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Hello, my name Hello, my name is Joanne.

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and I live in Middle Park. Also, um I'd

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like to um specifically talk about the

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possible impacts of this um proposal if

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it were to apply. Um I think the

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treatments to my street in particular

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are completely inappropriate and

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unnecessary. The proposal doesn't

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improve the street, nor does it achieve

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the purported aim of safety. Page Street

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couldn't be more safe for cyclists at

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the moment. It is a quiet, wide street

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in the center of five parallel roads.

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Um, it has a yield signs at each

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intersection and low traffic. I don't

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see how you can make that safer for

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cyclists as it is. Um, it has yield

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signs at each of the other four

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surrounding parallel roads. So, we're in

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the middle of five streets. Each of

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those other four have various bicycle

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amenities already. It's also a very

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pretty street. As Mas said, it's has

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it's a heritage kind of infrastructure

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and it looks very pretty and

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the the the street wouldn't be improved

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couldn't be improved with painted lines

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and green lines and more than what's

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already there. It's pretty already. Um

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the proposed painted areas in don't

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really make a lot of sense. The current

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ones that we do have around the area are

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confusing. They don't seem to achieve

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anything when they're at intersections.

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Cars don't know if they should stop.

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People don't know if they should cross.

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No one really knows what a painted

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yellow bit means. Um,

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not long ago, we did watch in dismay as

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the streets were expensively seared and

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scarred with goutudy yellow and green

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colored lines with multitudes of

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repeated oversized pictures of bicycles

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all the way down Page Street. It t it

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turned a beautiful street into a really

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strange looking you dystopian thing. We

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watched again as these were removed at

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vast expense and left permanent scars to

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remind us daily of the waste of $4.9

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million that occurred at that in that

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proposal. I happily do pay my rates and

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my taxes. And of course, in return, the

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council must be careful on how they

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spend it in accord with our best

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interests.

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Joanne, we're at time. Thank you.

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Oh, thank you.

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, last speaker on 6.2 is James Cherry.

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Come on down. Welcome James.

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 thank you James Terry Middle Park. Um

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my first ever council meeting in 35

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years. Um

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welcome back.

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Motivated to come because I want to

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support the petition that has been filed

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and two main reasons. One substantive

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one procedural. The substantive one is

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to the extent that the strategy seeks to

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further restrict or limit motorized

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traffic in our  local council area. I

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don't think it's necessary because the

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statistics from Department of Transport

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and Planning show that our roads are

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amongst the safest in the state. They

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calculate that by various different

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ways. Um and we're in the top group. um

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whichever way whether you calc 100,000

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 kilometers used or however it's

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calculated and where there are  FSIs

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as they the acronym goes  as in

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injuries or fatalities that they're on

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the streets that the department of

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transport and planning is responsible

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for rather than the council.

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The second one's procedural. As has

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already been mentioned, we've had the

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experience where council approved

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a policy. It was implemented in a way

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that the residents didn't like and then

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so the cost was born twice. Um the pop

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of your point of order is state

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government project, not a council

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project. Yep.

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We're not debating what has happened

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historically, but it is correct. It was

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a DPT project. The pop-up lines that

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So

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what I think we can come up with other

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examples whether where something's been

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done and then undone. So all I'm asking

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and of council is that if there is to be

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infrastructure built there be specific

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community consultation on the proposal

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not on a broad policy view that can then

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be interpreted in different ways in ways

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that the  residents are not looking

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for. So thank you. Thank you, James.

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That's our speakers for item 6.2. So,

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we'll now go to item 8.1, the planning

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permit application for the use and

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development of North Sunkilder Childcare

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Center, 71 to 79 Argal Street. Our first

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speaker who is joining us online is Erin

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McFeden.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak

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tonight. My name is Erin McFaden. I am a

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resident of St Kildan. I'm speaking on

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behalf of my friends who can't be here

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tonight. They live at a property which

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abuts North Sinilda Childc Care Center

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and this is the statement they have

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provided. We appreciate the time council

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officers have taken to consider and

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respond to concerns raised by residents.

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However, we are disappointed by the

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recommendation to approve this

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application with only minor amendments.

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Our concerns are not about the continued

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operation of the childare center at this

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site. The childcare center has been part

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of the community for decades and is

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valued by local residents. Our concern

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is that the proposal represents a

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significant expansion in both scale and

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intensity of the existing use,

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increasing capacity from 77 children to

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121 children. an uptake of 44% with a

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corresponding increase in staff

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activity, traffic, impacts on

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neighboring properties, and the loss of

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significant established trees on site.

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We understand from discussions with the

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planning department that consultation

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with residents during the design process

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was not undertaken because the design

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was complex and subject to change. The

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result is that residents have only been

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able to provide limited input after

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substantial a substantial proposal had

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already been developed and lodged. For a

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project of this scale involving

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increased capacity, impacts on

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neighborhood amenity and the removal of

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established vegetation. Residents should

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have the opportunity to engage with

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council and provide feedback as the

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design evolves rather than only after

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key decisions have been made. We

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therefore ask councilors to support a

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process that includes meaningful

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engagement with directly affected

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residents to discuss potential setbacks

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 before any revised or amended plans

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are finalized. Just because it's allowed

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through the planning scheme doesn't mean

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it's the best outcome for neighbors.

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Those who will live with the

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consequences of this development should

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have the opportunity to contribute

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before final decisions are made. Thank

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you.

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Thank you, Erin. , next speaker is

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Dean Savage on this item 8.1.

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Dean is also joining us online.

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Thank you. Yeah, Dean Savage from Ratio

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Consultants. , on behalf of the

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applicant, um,

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our position is we welcome  the

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officer's report  and the

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recommendation to approve.  our view

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is that the the design has been well

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realized that it does achieve an

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increase  in children numbers for this

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 facility in a way that's of a scale a

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double story scale that fits in with the

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streetscape and has been able to

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position the built form in a way that

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protects the amenity of adjoining

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properties.

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The probably the key issue and it

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relates to the way storm water

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management has been dealt with in the

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site is a condition the proposed

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condition 1B which is looking to lower

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the ground level to its current finish

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levels. Um that presents a bit of a

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challenge. There is a solution that

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we've worked through which is a a

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culvert um that a culvert from Argal

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street that runs underneath the play

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area and that's why the building is

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positioned as it is then runs through to

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the reserve to the south. Um we're

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looking for that condition to be amended

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 because the play area and the design

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has focused on sort of the operational

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requirements of the childcare center and

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requiring steps or ramping um does

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present on the stand os matters and it

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does um the need for steps and ramps

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does provide less space for the play

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area. It also reduces the visibility

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from the elevated floor of the child

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care center. Um if I understand that

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condition was required for drainage

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reasons and we would seek that if an

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alternative drainage solution was

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required that that be provided as a

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condition of permit and we could seek um

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to provide further detail that would

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satisfy the drainage requirement but

640
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also allow for that operational need to

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be achieved.  thank you.

642
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Thank you Dean. And we just need your

643
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suburb.

644
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So in Brunswick West.

645
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Yep. Sorry, just your suburb to

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conclude.

647
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 I'm Brunswick West. I don't live in

648
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Yeah.

649
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brings us now to item 8.2. S Kilda

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committee housing funding amendment

651
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proposal. Andrew Darcy. Welcome. Welcome

652
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back.

653
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Starting Andrew with your name and

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suburb and then two minutes.

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Andrew Darcy.  Lang Warren work in St

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Kilda. So I'm the CEO of St Kilda

657
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Community Housing. Um thank you for your

658
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time today. So St Kilda Community

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Housing is proud to partner with council

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um to reduce rough sleeping, prevent

661
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early deaths and improve safety for the

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whole community.

663
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Madden House was a project designed to

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reduce rough sleeping in Port Phillip.

665
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It now it's been open for six months.

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It's funded through this council in

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partnership with the state government.

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100% funding

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and it's been delivered by us. So, it's

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working really, really well. Um, we've

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had no evictions. We've had no major

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incidents. We've got 26 people who've

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lived their private lives in the public

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gaze for decades, many years, and

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they're all settling in. Um, the best

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thing I think is that we continue to

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enjoy very strong neighborhood support

678
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in the streets around the project. So,

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it is working really great. We're almost

680
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halfway to ending active rough sleep in

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in Port Phillip, if you can believe it.

682
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 the $500,000 in funding over two

683
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years um that's already been allocated

684
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to us previously would allow us to house

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significantly more of the community's

686
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most vulnerable people and it'll take us

687
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closer to the goal of zero rough

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sleeping.

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Separately, we currently have several

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proposals underway that could bring up

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to 50 additional properties under our

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management in Port Phillip. So, these

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homes under our model will specifically

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assist us to house more people currently

695
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sleeping rough and in primary

696
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homelessness. Together, these efforts

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represent a genuine pathway to ending

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rough sleeping locally. So, council's

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already made this investment once. We're

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really we're ready. We're really keen.

701
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we've got partners

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um and we'd like to crack on to make the

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community safer and fairer for everyone.

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Um and we'd like you to release the

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funding tonight. Thank you for your

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time.

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Thank you, Andrew.

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Our next speakers are on item 9.1, the

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foreshore management plan adoption,

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starting with Neil Blake. Welcome.

711
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Thank you for this opportunity.  my

712
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name is Neil Blake.  regrettably I

713
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don't live in the city of Port Phillip

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any longer but I live in Reservoir. 

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but I have worked in the area for 40

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years and observed the local environment

717
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in particular the foreshore.  and so

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it's of great  interest to me and I've

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 really enjoyed participating on the

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coastal reference group which has been

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involved in   seeing this plan come

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to fruition.  and um I can attest that

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it's been a very comprehensive process

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 in terms of the public consultation

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that's been undergone to  arrive at

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the plan as it stands at the moment. And

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um I think that's really essential 

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necessary for any local government to

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undertake such comprehensive planning 

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in order to garner support from other

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government agencies but also the wider

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community  and to see things come to

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 fruition that might not otherwise

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been given the opportunity without

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genuine support from a range of

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different stakeholders. So  yeah, I

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would just like to re reiterate really

738
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that the foreshore is a is a central

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component to the local economy just in

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terms of the number of visitors to the

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city of Port Phillip that it generates

742
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 but also u to the local environment.

743
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It provides a a habitat corridor along

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the coastal areas  and and just local

745
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community identity. I think it's really

746
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a major part of that. So  something to

747
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celebrate all around  and  I believe

748
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that we can  by implementing this plan

749
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 really achieve many things in towards

750
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those those ends. So I would urge the

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council to adopt the plan.

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Thank you very much Neil.

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And our second speaker on this topic is

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Steven Barson. Come on down.

755
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Starting with name and suburb and then

756
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two minutes. Welcome Steven.

757
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Thank you. Steven Barton. I'm the

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president of  Elwood Angling Club and

759
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I was fortunate to be the club

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representative on the committee. Um what

761
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I was impressed by was the depth of

762
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analysis. In fact, I was actually

763
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surprised by the depth of analysis of

764
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the multifaceted elements that were

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considered in the in the plan.  as a

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committee we walked through all the

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assets on the foreshore

768
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and  understood wants and needs from

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the principles of those organizations.

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But what I was most impressed by was the

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depth and the the the sincerity of

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listening to the community's wants and

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needs and then the subsequent

774
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incorporation of their wants and needs

775
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into the project plan. I mean, it's nice

776
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to have grand ideas, but if it's not

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getting down to the the nuts and bolts

778
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of what people actually need to enjoy

779
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the foreshore, then it's a little bit um

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counterproductive.

781
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So, in summary, I fully endorse the

782
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plan, what was achieved, and I commend

783
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it to you. So, thank you.

784
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Thank you very much, Steven.

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Our

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next two submitters are on item 10.1,

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the proposed local law amendment,

788
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storage of caravans, boats, and trailers

789
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on council land and roads. Beginning

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with Marcel Randles. Welcome back.

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Evening again.

792
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Um, just for the notes again, my name is

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Marcel. I live in Middle Park. I own a

794
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boat. So, as sure you can guess, I'm no

795
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fan of this local law amendment. Um

796
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first point I think it's just in camp um

797
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in campus  caravans and trailers. A

798
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boat and a trailer are separate

799
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registration. So I don't see what was

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placed on the trailer should be

801
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important. Um second of all, I own a

802
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boat. I saved up my money. I bought

803
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myself a small Australian tiny and I can

804
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afford to run it as I service the engine

805
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myself and I redid the worry myself. I

806
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searched up the council rules before I

807
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bought this boat and I checked that I'm

808
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allowed to park in front of my house.

809
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Now a few years later, the council is

810
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aiming to move the goalpost. I've

811
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contacted Skuna Marina and Dalbora

812
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Marina, the two small boat um marinas in

813
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our area. And I've received quotes of $3

814
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and $7,000 a year to store my boat at

815
32:17.200 --> 32:19.416
these facilities. I simply can't afford

816
32:19.440 --> 32:20.535
I can't afford these costs. I'm going to

817
32:20.559 --> 32:22.696
be forced to sell my boat. How is this

818
32:22.720 --> 32:25.096
fair when on me when I followed the

819
32:25.120 --> 32:27.895
rules? I've also really preferred if

820
32:27.919 --> 32:29.495
this wasn't justified as, oh, it's only

821
32:29.519 --> 32:31.655
14 days out of 60 days. It's pretty

822
32:31.679 --> 32:34.056
difficult to own a boat only 14 days

823
32:34.080 --> 32:35.655
every two months. That's not really

824
32:35.679 --> 32:38.616
possible. Um um I also want to talk

825
32:38.640 --> 32:40.056
about um like I understand that

826
32:40.080 --> 32:41.576
abandoned caravans and boats are on our

827
32:41.600 --> 32:42.535
council land and they're a bit of a

828
32:42.559 --> 32:43.576
trash in our street. There's some on

829
32:43.600 --> 32:44.696
Williamtown Road. There's some in front

830
32:44.720 --> 32:47.096
of Gas Works Park um Gasworks Park and I

831
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completely understand why this would

832
32:48.320 --> 32:49.816
make sense that now gives you the power

833
32:49.840 --> 32:51.816
to move on these items from the streets.

834
32:51.840 --> 32:53.495
It's great. However, I think it would

835
32:53.519 --> 32:54.936
make more sense if we introduced a

836
32:54.960 --> 32:56.775
permit system. I did notice in the

837
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agenda meeting minutes that it said that

838
32:59.039 --> 33:00.696
this was not recommended due to

839
33:00.720 --> 33:03.096
administrative complexity. I feel like

840
33:03.120 --> 33:04.775
this could be incorrect as we already

841
33:04.799 --> 33:07.576
have car parking permits. I would also

842
33:07.600 --> 33:09.495
like it also said that we it would

843
33:09.519 --> 33:11.895
formalize private storage. I also think

844
33:11.919 --> 33:13.976
this is incorrect because how is that

845
33:14.000 --> 33:15.655
any different to parking a car with a

846
33:15.679 --> 33:18.456
permit? Is that not the same thing? Um

847
33:18.480 --> 33:20.135
again,  some sections of the council

848
33:20.159 --> 33:22.456
are titled parking. Um some are not. I

849
33:22.480 --> 33:24.056
think it would a shame to ban ownership

850
33:24.080 --> 33:25.576
of trailers and caravans for everybody

851
33:25.600 --> 33:27.096
because some sections don't have space.

852
33:27.120 --> 33:29.736
Lastly, I paid my registration. Vic road

853
33:29.760 --> 33:30.856
say I'm allowed to park my trailer

854
33:30.880 --> 33:32.696
there. Thank you.

855
33:32.720 --> 33:34.936
Thank you, Marcel.

856
33:34.960 --> 33:37.416
, next speaker on this item is Pam

857
33:37.440 --> 33:39.416
Joseph.

858
33:39.440 --> 33:42.440
Come on down.

859
33:44.880 --> 33:47.176
Two minutes. Starting with your name and

860
33:47.200 --> 33:47.736
suburb.

861
33:47.760 --> 33:50.456
Pam Joseph Ripen Lee. I agree that

862
33:50.480 --> 33:53.176
there's um a problem with cars um

863
33:53.200 --> 33:56.200
trailers, caravans, and boats um that

864
33:56.480 --> 33:59.255
just park as a parking lot along, for

865
33:59.279 --> 34:02.279
example, the railway line in Ripenley.

866
34:02.399 --> 34:03.816
There's just heaps of them. And I

867
34:03.840 --> 34:05.495
noticed today that there was one with a

868
34:05.519 --> 34:08.216
New South Wales number plate. However, I

869
34:08.240 --> 34:11.240
don't believe in a sweeping policy um

870
34:12.079 --> 34:14.615
for all boats, caravans, and trailers.

871
34:14.639 --> 34:17.256
We're builders and we have a trailer and

872
34:17.280 --> 34:18.696
would like to and I would like to

873
34:18.720 --> 34:21.416
suggest that the polish policy or law

874
34:21.440 --> 34:24.216
should be tweaked for example for it to

875
34:24.240 --> 34:26.615
be considered that registered caravans,

876
34:26.639 --> 34:28.855
trailers and boats need to be parked

877
34:28.879 --> 34:30.936
within 100 meters of the registered

878
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address. If this was the case then it

879
34:33.919 --> 34:36.615
would get rid of people who just from

880
34:36.639 --> 34:39.639
other areas are pinging them around the

881
34:40.399 --> 34:43.016
local streets.

882
34:43.040 --> 34:46.040
Thank you.

883
34:46.240 --> 34:49.240
Thank you, Pam.

884
34:49.599 --> 34:52.599
And  final item on this is, and I know

885
34:52.720 --> 34:54.536
you're looking me, Frank, the deputation

886
34:54.560 --> 34:57.335
item 6.1. Welcome, Frank.

887
34:57.359 --> 34:59.496
No councelor question time.

888
34:59.520 --> 35:01.656
No, you're you're doing your deputation

889
35:01.680 --> 35:03.896
instead.

890
35:03.920 --> 35:05.575
 under our governance rules,

891
35:05.599 --> 35:07.656
deputations have up to five minutes. A

892
35:07.680 --> 35:09.736
reminder to councilors that we're able

893
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to ask points of clarification after the

894
35:12.320 --> 35:14.536
5 minutes, but there's no discussion

895
35:14.560 --> 35:17.560
following the deputation.

896
35:18.720 --> 35:21.256
You know the drill, Frank. Five minutes

897
35:21.280 --> 35:22.696
starting with your name and suburb and

898
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into the content. Welcome

899
35:26.079 --> 35:28.696
Frank Artusa Albert Park. A deputation

900
35:28.720 --> 35:31.335
on the road map to road mapap to zero

901
35:31.359 --> 35:34.055
prophecy community trust strategy

902
35:34.079 --> 35:35.736
direction.

903
35:35.760 --> 35:38.055
A pear of a prophecy on the public

904
35:38.079 --> 35:39.736
record made in this chamber on the 8th

905
35:39.760 --> 35:42.760
of December 2022 has been borne out.

906
35:43.520 --> 35:45.335
Described at the time as a brutalist

907
35:45.359 --> 35:46.776
implementation of the Department of

908
35:46.800 --> 35:49.575
Transport bike lane trial.

909
35:49.599 --> 35:51.575
The prophecy warned the implication of

910
35:51.599 --> 35:53.416
these bike lanes will be felt for many

911
35:53.440 --> 35:55.656
years. Future projects will be delayed.

912
35:55.680 --> 35:57.575
Confidence will be lost. Trust within

913
35:57.599 --> 36:00.216
the community will be damaged. denied a

914
36:00.240 --> 36:02.696
petition of 549 signatures demonstrates

915
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those concerns remain present on the

916
36:04.960 --> 36:07.256
road map for zero safe travel strategy

917
36:07.280 --> 36:10.280
and action plan 2026 2020  31.

918
36:11.280 --> 36:13.176
In that respect the prophecy has become

919
36:13.200 --> 36:15.896
has come to bear. However, it must not

920
36:15.920 --> 36:18.376
become a reason for inertia. Rebuilding

921
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confidence begins with engagement. We

922
36:20.640 --> 36:22.696
must recognize the 43 speakers who spoke

923
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in this chamber. the three notice of

924
36:24.480 --> 36:27.095
motions initiated by councilors for

925
36:27.119 --> 36:28.936
removal of the department of transport

926
36:28.960 --> 36:31.335
bike lane trial and independent

927
36:31.359 --> 36:33.256
traffic's group report commissioned by

928
36:33.280 --> 36:34.936
two members of the community all in

929
36:34.960 --> 36:36.776
2022.

930
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This lessons on the public record

931
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informs us on how we now proceed 

932
36:42.160 --> 36:44.296
diligently. The petition reflects

933
36:44.320 --> 36:46.536
genuine concern. The the signatories of

934
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the physicians are to be commended for

935
36:48.240 --> 36:50.376
their civic  engagement, matters of

936
36:50.400 --> 36:52.776
transparency, consultation, cost, local

937
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impact or warrant scrutiny. As the

938
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petition itself states, it is far better

939
36:58.160 --> 37:00.536
to get details right before construction

940
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begins than to spend time and money

941
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reversing mistakes after the fact.

942
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Public question time and council minutes

943
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 meetings provide an established

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mechanism for scrutiny. More than 20

945
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questions have been asked and resp and

946
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and responses provided in the last three

947
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 meetings relating to matters

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surrounding roadmap to  zero strategy.

949
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That mechanism remains available to all.

950
37:26.400 --> 37:29.400
This is transparency and accountability.

951
37:29.520 --> 37:32.296
However, the road map to zero is not a

952
37:32.320 --> 37:35.320
project plan. It is a strategy. It sets

953
37:35.359 --> 37:36.776
directions towards eliminating

954
37:36.800 --> 37:39.800
fatalities and serious injuries.

955
37:40.079 --> 37:42.536
Projects, designs, budgets are

956
37:42.560 --> 37:44.216
determined later through council

957
37:44.240 --> 37:46.696
processes towards implementation.

958
37:46.720 --> 37:48.856
Strategy sets direction. Implementation

959
37:48.880 --> 37:51.656
determines detail. This strategy does

960
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not ask council to approve individual

961
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projects. It asks whether strategic

962
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framework for an all-inclusive safe

963
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travel network should exist. Traditional

964
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road safety focuses on where crashes

965
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occurred. Vision zero asks a more

966
38:05.599 --> 38:07.815
challenging question. Where can harm

967
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occur across any part of our travel

968
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network and how do we prevent it? It's

969
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supported by four pillars. Safe road,

970
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safe speed, safe people, safe vehicles.

971
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People inevitably make mistakes on every

972
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 every day across our travel network.

973
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Those mistakes should not result in

974
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death or serious injury. Council has a

975
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responsibility to design a system that

976
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drives  that drives risk or of

977
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fatality and serious injuries towards

978
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zero. This approach builds on Victoria's

979
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arrive alive road strategy program of

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2008

981
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and adapts to a more complex travel

982
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network environment. Importantly, this

983
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is a system for all of us. Pedestrians,

984
38:52.720 --> 38:54.856
cyclists, ebike, e- scooter users,

985
38:54.880 --> 38:56.616
motorists, public transport users,

986
38:56.640 --> 38:59.095
people with disability, mobility aid

987
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users, emergency services. No exclusion,

988
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no hierarchy. Council now now holds the

989
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levers of implementation through

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prioritization, transparency,

991
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consultation, and governance oversight.

992
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The strategy can be implemented

993
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responsibly. Change is constant and

994
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already underway. Population growth in

995
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the city of Port Phillip is in an

996
39:20.720 --> 39:23.720
acceleration phase. New travel modes are

997
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evolving. Increased pressure on our

998
39:26.000 --> 39:29.000
travel network will not pause. Delay

999
39:29.520 --> 39:32.520
increases risk. Managed implementation

1000
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reduces it. The question is whether

1001
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change is guided by strategy or left to

1002
39:36.960 --> 39:39.095
chance. Trust is rebuilt through

1003
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scrutiny. Confidence rebuilt through

1004
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verification.

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As an old  proverb reminds us, trust

1006
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but verify. Councilers, adopt strategy

1007
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direction of a roadmap to zero strategy.

1008
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Strengthen the office's recommendation

1009
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if you believe it's necessary. And let

1010
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us not confuse lessons from the past

1011
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implementation by the Department of

1012
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Transport with the merits of this

1013
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strategy direction. Let's com commit to

1014
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a shared objective. zero fatalities,

1015
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zero   serious injuries on our

1016
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travel network for all of us.

1017
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Thank you, Frank. Your 20 seconds spare.

1018
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Okay.

1019
40:20.079 --> 40:22.136
Thank you, Frank. Any points of

1020
40:22.160 --> 40:25.160
clarification to that deputation?

1021
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Are you asking? What are you asking?

1022
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Questions of

1023
40:34.320 --> 40:36.136
Yep. Questions to the deputy of

1024
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clarification. Oh, let me sit down

1025
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again.

1026
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Yeah, you may be seated. Thank you,

1027
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Frank. Any

1028
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Sorry, no questions.

1029
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Question.

1030
40:44.560 --> 40:45.416
Yeah, sure.

1031
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Of clarification.

1032
40:47.119 --> 40:49.095
Frank, thank you for your deputation.

1033
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Um, and I just want to acknowledge your

1034
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knowledge of the the subject and also of

1035
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council strategies and these processes.

1036
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And I know that you don't just um pay

1037
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attention to what's happening in Port

1038
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Phillip, but other councils.

1039
41:01.920 --> 41:04.616
Yeah. Um are you aware of what other

1040
41:04.640 --> 41:06.936
councils are doing in this space around

1041
41:06.960 --> 41:09.815
roadmap to zero and um these types of

1042
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strategies? Is this usual practice from

1043
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your research and your background on the

1044
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topic?

1045
41:15.040 --> 41:18.040
Thank you councelor Buckingham for the

1046
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question. So if you one was to look and

1047
41:20.560 --> 41:22.856
everyone was to look at the answers

1048
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provided and the questions that I asked

1049
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in the last three council meetings the

1050
41:27.839 --> 41:30.776
answer is there as we know many councils

1051
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have adopt adopting the plan. So the

1052
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detailed answer to that is already in

1053
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the minutes and I'd encourage anyone

1054
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that's interested in the subject to go

1055
41:40.160 --> 41:42.216
back to the three consecutive meetings

1056
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prior to tonight. The details there

1057
41:44.160 --> 41:46.456
rather than me gibberish about it but

1058
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it's there. It's been implemented 

1059
41:48.640 --> 41:50.216
tested. Yara is obviously a

1060
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long-standing  um council that's had

1061
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it in practice.

1062
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That's been clarified. Any other

1063
41:57.599 --> 42:00.599
questions of clarifications?

1064
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Going once, going twice.

1065
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Well done, Frank. All right.

1066
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Thank you for your deputation.

1067
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Noting that  under our rules of

1068
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deputation that in accordance with

1069
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clause 59 of council governance rules 

1070
42:15.520 --> 42:17.815
no motions allowed on deputation. So now

1071
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that we've heard it, it'll come back at

1072
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a future council meeting.

1073
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Brings us now to councelor question

1074
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time.

1075
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Any questions from councilors for items

1076
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not on the agenda?

1077
42:31.119 --> 42:34.119
Yes, councelor J.

1078
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Um, I have a question regarding cranes.

1079
42:39.040 --> 42:41.976
Um, with much of St. Kilder Road being

1080
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developed, the sky is littered with

1081
42:45.200 --> 42:48.200
cranes and at night they are bright. Um,

1082
42:49.520 --> 42:51.656
much to the horror of a lot of residents

1083
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that have to look at them throughout the

1084
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evening. Um, my question is, do we have

1085
42:58.880 --> 43:01.880
any  laws or what are the rules about

1086
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cranes being lit up all through the

1087
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night?

1088
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That will be answered by Brian T, our

1089
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general manager of city development.

1090
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, thank you for your question and

1091
43:13.680 --> 43:16.680
through you , mayor. Indeed. Um there

1092
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is an enormous amount of construction

1093
43:18.640 --> 43:21.016
activity in that area which is causing

1094
43:21.040 --> 43:22.936
um significant amenity impacts to that

1095
43:22.960 --> 43:24.936
local community including trains and the

1096
43:24.960 --> 43:27.960
light cranes and the lights  that

1097
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spill um um throughout the night. There

1098
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are there are legis there are

1099
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legislative requirements that apply to

1100
43:36.480 --> 43:39.480
cranes. There are civil aviation safety

1101
43:40.480 --> 43:42.936
regulations and there are CASSA

1102
43:42.960 --> 43:45.815
standards. They apply

1103
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depending on the height and the they

1104
43:48.240 --> 43:51.240
apply if it's a tall crane  or they

1105
43:51.520 --> 43:54.520
apply if you're in a proximity to a um

1106
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flight path. The city of Port Phillip um

1107
43:58.000 --> 44:01.000
is in proximity to um  a flight path,

1108
44:01.520 --> 44:04.216
specifically the Moraban airport flight

1109
44:04.240 --> 44:07.240
path, the police airwing operations

1110
44:07.680 --> 44:10.456
flight path, the Royal Melbourne

1111
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hospital helipad um and also the general

1112
44:14.000 --> 44:17.000
aviation routes across  the bay. So

1113
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they impose restrictions on cranes.

1114
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the  we do as a council. We can't

1115
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override that.  but  we can ensure

1116
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and we do through our permit conditions

1117
44:29.280 --> 44:32.280
that um where possible um light spills

1118
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are minimized and we put that through

1119
44:36.079 --> 44:38.055
the various permits that we grant but

1120
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generally um they would need to be

1121
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outside of those um statutory

1122
44:43.520 --> 44:46.520
requirements.

1123
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Thanks Joe. Further question.

1124
44:49.359 --> 44:51.335
Thank you Brian. Um, a clarifying

1125
44:51.359 --> 44:54.359
question. Um, if a resident is disturbed

1126
44:56.560 --> 44:59.560
by 24-hour or or nighttime light, who

1127
45:00.400 --> 45:03.400
can they call to understand whether it's

1128
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illegal? Cuz I understand the flight

1129
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path, but these cranes are smaller than

1130
45:08.720 --> 45:11.720
existing buildings. Um, so there's

1131
45:12.400 --> 45:15.400
nuances in it

1132
45:18.640 --> 45:20.696
through you. May I might have to take

1133
45:20.720 --> 45:22.456
that question on notice in terms of

1134
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providing um details in terms of who the

1135
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resident can contact and I'll forward

1136
45:26.800 --> 45:29.656
those to you.

1137
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Any further questions from counselors?

1138
45:34.560 --> 45:35.736
I have one.

1139
45:35.760 --> 45:38.055
Yes, councelor Timman.

1140
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Yes. So I will turn this  into a

1141
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question. 

1142
45:43.440 --> 45:45.575
 one of the Senila resident is

1143
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celebrating tonight 104th birthday. John

1144
45:49.119 --> 45:52.119
Ma at the who lives at the RSL. So my

1145
45:52.480 --> 45:55.480
question is  will council send her a

1146
45:55.760 --> 45:58.760
birthday card for her 104th birthday?

1147
45:59.119 --> 46:01.896
She because she might actually be 

1148
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arguably the oldest person living in St.

1149
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Kilda or in the city of Port

1150
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and happy birthday to George.

1151
46:15.359 --> 46:17.656
 thank you councelor Tom for your

1152
46:17.680 --> 46:19.976
question. Um I'll take the request on

1153
46:20.000 --> 46:21.976
notice but we'll work with you and the

1154
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office of the mayor to see what's

1155
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possible to recognize  such a

1156
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significant milestone.

1157
46:26.960 --> 46:28.536
Thank you James.

1158
46:28.560 --> 46:29.575
Thank you.

1159
46:29.599 --> 46:31.815
Any further questions from counselors?

1160
46:31.839 --> 46:33.736
Councelor Joe.

1161
46:33.760 --> 46:35.575
Thank you mayor. Um I've got a further

1162
46:35.599 --> 46:38.599
question about some shopping trolley. Um

1163
46:39.119 --> 46:41.575
we have a lot of littered trolleys

1164
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around Clarendon Street, Bank, Dorcas,

1165
46:44.160 --> 46:47.160
Mo.  what are our current local laws

1166
46:48.240 --> 46:50.136
around trolley and is there anything

1167
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that we can do to enforce the speedy

1168
46:53.119 --> 46:56.119
removal of these um trolleys?

1169
46:56.319 --> 46:58.136
Back to Brian T, our general manager of

1170
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city development.  thank you councelor

1171
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and through  you me  we do have we

1172
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have recently introduced in the last um

1173
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 two or three years local laws that do

1174
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make it an offense to leave or abandon a

1175
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trolley on a road or a nature strip um

1176
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or in a park um if it's if there's an

1177
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adverse if it's an obstruction or indeed

1178
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if there's a an amenity impact.  we

1179
47:22.720 --> 47:24.776
can under that local law require a

1180
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business to retrieve that trolley. Um

1181
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and um if they don't, we can provide

1182
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them with a notice to comply.  and if

1183
47:32.240 --> 47:35.240
they fail  to do that, there's the um

1184
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 there's a penalty provisions  as

1185
47:39.839 --> 47:42.136
well as as a capacity for council to

1186
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retrieve those trolley  and then

1187
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charge  the supermarket for the cost

1188
47:48.560 --> 47:51.560
 of doing that. We can also  work

1189
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with supermarkets and require them to

1190
47:53.440 --> 47:55.496
put in place containment systems and

1191
47:55.520 --> 47:58.456
collection services.

1192
47:58.480 --> 48:01.480
Um Brian, are we able to activate um

1193
48:02.319 --> 48:04.856
those rules for South Melbourne High

1194
48:04.880 --> 48:07.815
Street Precinct?

1195
48:07.839 --> 48:09.575
 we can certainly look at the issues

1196
48:09.599 --> 48:11.976
that you've identified  to me earlier

1197
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for those areas. Um and if need be, we

1198
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will absolutely enforce the local law um

1199
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to the fullest extent.

1200
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Any further questions? Councelor

1201
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Halliday.

1202
48:23.520 --> 48:25.095
 just to follow up on that, have we

1203
48:25.119 --> 48:27.815
actually applied any fines for you know

1204
48:27.839 --> 48:30.055
not picking up their trolley for any of

1205
48:30.079 --> 48:33.079
the supermarkets?

1206
48:34.960 --> 48:37.960
 thank you. Um I'm I'm not I'll have

1207
48:38.559 --> 48:40.776
to take that on notice. What I can say

1208
48:40.800 --> 48:43.800
is that  we do our system if you work

1209
48:44.960 --> 48:47.960
through um Snapsense Solve um  that

1210
48:49.680 --> 48:51.815
goes immediately to the owner of the

1211
48:51.839 --> 48:53.896
trolley so that they are immediately put

1212
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on notice. Um and we have we do require

1213
48:58.000 --> 49:01.000
 trolley locks are mandatory. Um and

1214
49:02.079 --> 49:04.376
yes, we do follow up regularly. I'm not

1215
49:04.400 --> 49:05.575
um we need to follow up regularly

1216
49:05.599 --> 49:06.776
because we do get a number of complaints

1217
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in this area, but I'm not aware of the

1218
49:09.119 --> 49:10.776
number of fines we've issued. I need to

1219
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take that on notice.

1220
49:13.440 --> 49:16.440
Yes, the councelor Halliday. So if we

1221
49:16.880 --> 49:18.696
if we lodge a report through Snapsense

1222
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Solve and that goes directly to the

1223
49:20.160 --> 49:23.160
supermarket, do we have any any um you

1224
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know information that comes from Snapsol

1225
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about all of the trolleys that are being

1226
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reported

1227
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and or andor could we get it?

1228
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Um

1229
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I might have to take that on notice,

1230
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too. I' I'd assume that we'd get a a

1231
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report, but I don't know. I don't know

1232
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what that process is.

1233
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I have a question from the deputy mayor,

1234
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Brian Mes.

1235
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, thank you, Alex. , my question

1236
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without notice and I apologize.  in my

1237
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absence um I'm not aware that the um

1238
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planned implementation or sorry yeah

1239
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implementation of the  temporary

1240
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infrastructure around

1241
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um Queens Lane and Arthur Street and

1242
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Liupole Street. I was aware or told that

1243
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it was to be completed in May, possibly

1244
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early June. Could someone  let me know

1245
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whether that has commenced or in fact

1246
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been completed

1247
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over to John Lson.

1248
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Can you hear me? Y thank you councelor

1249
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and  through you may the works um as

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far as I know have been consulted on and

1251
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commissioned excuse me and commissioned

1252
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um I would have to take on notice to

1253
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confirm the exact status of that project

1254
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though

1255
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and John listens our head of transport

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thank you any further questions

1257
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final chance for councel the question

1258
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time going once going twice Yes,

1259
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we'll move on then. We have heard our

1260
51:13.680 --> 51:15.736
deputation. Thank you, Frank, for our

1261
51:15.760 --> 51:18.760
deputation. Item 6.1, that takes us now

1262
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to item 6.2,

1263
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 the petition, the delayed adoption of

1264
51:25.200 --> 51:26.936
the safe travel strategy and action

1265
51:26.960 --> 51:29.335
plan. Councilors, do we have any

1266
51:29.359 --> 51:31.656
questions of officers relating to this

1267
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item? That is the petition before us.

1268
51:35.920 --> 51:38.920
Councelor Jay,

1269
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my questions

1270
51:45.280 --> 51:48.216
I did send them through earlier. I hope

1271
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that is all.

1272
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Bearing in mind this is in relation to

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receiving the petition

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but not towards the actual petition.

1275
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Well,

1276
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y

1277
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my questions are towards the topic which

1278
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I've possibly missed because it's not on

1279
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the agenda. Any

1280
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items relating or any questions relating

1281
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to this specific item in relation to the

1282
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petition?

1283
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Any questions relating to the specific

1284
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item which is the petition before us

1285
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we get

1286
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and responding to it

1287
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no

1288
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no

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the recommend there are recommendations

1290
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before us in noting the petition

1291
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and responding accordingly. Is there a

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council that wishes to move that? That

1293
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is moved. Councelor Hardy. Seconded.

1294
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Seconded. Deputy mayor Mes.

1295
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, does the mover wish to speak?

1296
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No, I'd put the motion.

1297
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, the motion is going to be put. Is

1298
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there a Does a seconder wish to speak?

1299
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, thank you, mayor. Um I think it's

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appropriate that we should pause with

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this  issue and move it to the 5th of

1302
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August. In fact, it may need a further

1303
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postponement until our community is

1304
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fully appraised of what is planned 

1305
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appropriate to what has been raised

1306
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tonight by members of the community and

1307
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I'm sure many of the comments that are

1308
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are coming in through email. So  thank

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you and I agree with the mover and we

1310
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should put it to the vote.

1311
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All right. I've had two requests to put

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it to a vote.

1313
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Does someone wish the that the motion to

1314
53:27.200 --> 53:30.200
put has been moved and seconded? Is

1315
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there any dissent to putting it to the

1316
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vote?

1317
53:34.079 --> 53:34.535
Yes.

1318
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You wish to descent to that? Okay.

1319
53:37.280 --> 53:40.280
Um, I think it's important to um note 

1320
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that there are can be legitimate reasons

1321
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for delaying and having further

1322
53:45.839 --> 53:47.815
discussions, but I think it's important

1323
53:47.839 --> 53:50.839
to be actually dealing with um facts and

1324
53:51.599 --> 53:54.535
the intent of the strategy um and not

1325
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because um some of the the matters that

1326
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are referenced in this petition. I think

1327
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a strategy um as outlined by the

1328
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deputation is a high level principles

1329
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and we have to we have to be mature

1330
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enough as a council to be able to have

1331
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sophisticated conversations around

1332
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complex issues around how to make our

1333
54:13.520 --> 54:16.520
area more  safer for everybody and and

1334
54:17.359 --> 54:19.736
grapple with as a as a densifying area.

1335
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What do we what do we need to do in that

1336
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rather than going to knee-jerk

1337
54:23.280 --> 54:25.736
reactions? It's it's actually not much

1338
54:25.760 --> 54:27.416
about bike lanes but actually like

1339
54:27.440 --> 54:30.055
outstands and and how we make it better

1340
54:30.079 --> 54:33.079
safer for pedestrians and that's and and

1341
54:33.119 --> 54:34.936
there are a lot of people like a lot of

1342
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women who don't cycle because they don't

1343
54:37.599 --> 54:39.656
feel safe on our roads and it's looking

1344
54:39.680 --> 54:42.216
at practical actually sophisticated

1345
54:42.240 --> 54:44.776
conversations. So, I think I'm not going

1346
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to support um the delay because and this

1347
54:48.559 --> 54:51.095
petition because I think it's time

1348
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rather than getting caught in the past,

1349
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let's have that important conversation

1350
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around how we make our community safer

1351
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and and um strategies are always at high

1352
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levels. It's not automatically going to

1353
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putting bike lanes in everyone's

1354
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streets. And this this this um petition

1355
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is kind of um takes away from what the

1356
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actual focus of the whole strategy is to

1357
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actually make a lot of the more

1358
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vulnerable members of our community

1359
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safe. So I I urge my fellow counselors

1360
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not to delay

1361
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point of order mean doesn't a put mean

1362
55:22.319 --> 55:23.016
that we have to

1363
55:23.040 --> 55:25.335
Yeah, we actually were debating whe

1364
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There has been a motion to put it.

1365
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Debating.

1366
55:27.680 --> 55:28.295
Yep.

1367
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I agree with your point of order. There

1368
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is a motion to put the

1369
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motion.

1370
55:33.680 --> 55:35.656
No. Well, a councelor has called for it

1371
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to be put. So,

1372
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put you can't debate.

1373
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We can vote on whether we actually agree

1374
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to the motion be put.

1375
55:43.359 --> 55:45.016
Point of order. I thought it was put,

1376
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which means that we need

1377
55:46.000 --> 55:47.176
No, you're correct. You are actually

1378
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correct here, councelor J. So, we'll be

1379
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voting on whether the motion is to be

1380
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put and then if that's not successful,

1381
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then we'll go back to the debate. So,

1382
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the um motion was for it to be put. All

1383
55:58.480 --> 56:01.480
those in favor of the motion being put,

1384
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sorry, what are we saying? Whether it be

1385
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put

1386
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close the debate. Are we close the

1387
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debate?

1388
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We're voting on whether the debate

1389
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should be closed.

1390
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I have

1391
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Can we confirm the governance rules? I

1392
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thought it put it that it had to be

1393
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voted on. Not voted on whether we put

1394
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it.

1395
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Oh, it's You have to vote on the

1396
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procedural. Yep.

1397
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Vote on the procedural.

1398
56:27.520 --> 56:29.496
Yep. We vote on the procedural. So we're

1399
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voting on now the procedure to close the

1400
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debate which is the motion being put. So

1401
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all those in favor of the debate being

1402
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closed and for the motion to be put that

1403
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is  three four. So that is councelor

1404
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Jay, councelor Hardy, deputy mayor Mes

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and councelor Thomann. All those against

1406
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the motion being put and to enable the

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debate to continue that is councelor

1408
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Buckingham councelor Crawford councelor

1409
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Cunsoloo councelor Halliday and myself

1410
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mayor Min. Therefore the motion to be

1411
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put has  ceased and that returns to

1412
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the debate. Councelor Buckingham, you

1413
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wish to enter the debate. The floor is

1414
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yours.

1415
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I thank the speakers that came and

1416
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shared their their views around this

1417
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strategy tonight. I don't want to see

1418
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this strategy delayed any further. 

1419
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there has been a public consultation

1420
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about the strategy and my understanding

1421
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and my read of the strategy is that it

1422
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is about particularly improving the

1423
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safety of our vulnerable road users and

1424
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many of the um

1425
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the points of focus is particularly

1426
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around child safety. And as a parent,

1427
57:45.520 --> 57:47.815
my kid running out in front of a car is

1428
57:47.839 --> 57:50.839
one of the top worries for me as a

1429
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parent. And I hear about it from people

1430
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that live in my ward all the time. I

1431
57:57.200 --> 57:59.496
hear about it from parents that send

1432
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their kids to St. killed a primary in

1433
58:01.359 --> 58:04.359
particular um and crisscross over

1434
58:06.160 --> 58:09.160
um really unsafe roads without safe

1435
58:10.400 --> 58:12.456
pedestrian access to get to Elwood

1436
58:12.480 --> 58:15.480
Primary, St. Kilder Primary um and

1437
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around Balaclava Ward. And the strategy

1438
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goes to the principles of how we make

1439
58:24.160 --> 58:26.535
our street safer. and it is one of the

1440
58:26.559 --> 58:29.559
top concerns in my ward particularly for

1441
58:30.079 --> 58:33.079
young people and for children. Um

1442
58:33.760 --> 58:36.760
this is how we actually manage change.

1443
58:37.040 --> 58:40.040
We set up our principles. Um and yes, we

1444
58:40.720 --> 58:42.295
put it out for community consultation

1445
58:42.319 --> 58:44.775
and we have a public consultation about

1446
58:44.799 --> 58:47.575
how we manage change and what we do

1447
58:47.599 --> 58:50.599
value as a community and how we do make

1448
58:50.880 --> 58:53.656
our streets safer.

1449
58:53.680 --> 58:56.456
This is not about, you know, ramming

1450
58:56.480 --> 58:59.176
through more bike lanes or it's about

1451
58:59.200 --> 59:01.016
actually making our streets safer for

1452
59:01.040 --> 59:03.095
all people.

1453
59:03.119 --> 59:06.119
The other issue I want to raise because

1454
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it comes up in my ward all the time is

1455
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speed limits, particularly um around

1456
59:11.920 --> 59:14.216
Ripen Lee. there are a lot of people

1457
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that where we currently have 60

1458
59:16.880 --> 59:18.936
kilometers an hour where we need to

1459
59:18.960 --> 59:21.256
bring those speed limits down um for

1460
59:21.280 --> 59:23.176
safety reasons and we need to have these

1461
59:23.200 --> 59:26.200
conversations. So I think a lot of the

1462
59:26.400 --> 59:29.400
issues that the petitioners have raised

1463
59:30.400 --> 59:32.136
 don't reflect the processes that

1464
59:32.160 --> 59:33.896
we'll take from the point of

1465
59:33.920 --> 59:36.920
implementing the strategy. Um and it is

1466
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a long process that we need to go

1467
59:39.280 --> 59:41.656
through and walk through together. And

1468
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because it does go

1469
59:44.880 --> 59:47.880
particularly to, you know, preventing

1470
59:47.920 --> 59:50.616
serious injury and death,

1471
59:50.640 --> 59:53.176
it's too important to delay. We need to

1472
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have the hard conversations. We need to

1473
59:54.960 --> 59:56.136
look at the evidence. We need to look at

1474
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the data. Yes, we need community

1475
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.456
consultation. Um but it's too important

1476
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:03.176
to delay.

1477
01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:04.936
Thank you, Councelor Buckingham. Any

1478
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.335
other counselors wish to speak to this

1479
01:00:07.359 --> 01:00:09.416
item?

1480
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.440
Councelor Halliday,

1481
01:00:13.200 --> 01:00:16.200
I find it ironic that um the call for 

1482
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.335
more time and consultation was attempted

1483
01:00:21.359 --> 01:00:23.815
to be  the result of that was

1484
01:00:23.839 --> 01:00:25.496
attempting to cut short debate here in

1485
01:00:25.520 --> 01:00:27.656
this chamber about the very same thing.

1486
01:00:27.680 --> 01:00:29.656
Um, in any case, I just want to point

1487
01:00:29.680 --> 01:00:32.616
out here that again, um, my kids went to

1488
01:00:32.640 --> 01:00:35.256
St Kilda Primary School here just over

1489
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.815
the road where there were two pedestrian

1490
01:00:37.839 --> 01:00:39.815
deaths in recent history on the roads

1491
01:00:39.839 --> 01:00:42.535
surrounding it. These are real risks

1492
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:44.696
that happen on our roads, these are real

1493
01:00:44.720 --> 01:00:46.616
people's lives that are affected on our

1494
01:00:46.640 --> 01:00:49.640
roads. And to say that um this strategy

1495
01:00:49.680 --> 01:00:51.976
will do nothing to say that our roads

1496
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.216
are safe already and don't need any

1497
01:00:54.240 --> 01:00:56.936
change ignores

1498
01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:59.575
ignores the problems  and the impacts

1499
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:02.599
that that um that

1500
01:01:03.200 --> 01:01:06.200
 that our roads have on people. Um I'd

1501
01:01:06.799 --> 01:01:09.095
also like to point out that there has

1502
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:10.936
been a consultation

1503
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.016
on this strategy. The consultation was

1504
01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:14.936
the consultation we held and that

1505
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.960
happened before  this survey before

1506
01:01:18.799 --> 01:01:20.295
people realized that this was something

1507
01:01:20.319 --> 01:01:23.319
that they could politicize. Um and that

1508
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.095
consultation tells us that there is

1509
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.656
strong support for interventions that

1510
01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:29.335
make our road safety. You just have to

1511
01:01:29.359 --> 01:01:31.896
read the s the um the community

1512
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.136
consultation results.

1513
01:01:34.160 --> 01:01:35.976
Strong support for safer safer

1514
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.775
pedestrian crossings. Strong support for

1515
01:01:38.799 --> 01:01:41.016
safer streets around schools. strong

1516
01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:43.815
support for safer intersections, strong

1517
01:01:43.839 --> 01:01:46.376
support for traffic calming, for better

1518
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.775
maintenance of our roads. There's all

1519
01:01:48.799 --> 01:01:51.799
sorts of um strong supports for for

1520
01:01:52.160 --> 01:01:55.160
slower speed limits around  schools on

1521
01:01:55.680 --> 01:01:57.896
our major state roads and in our high

1522
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.136
streets and shopping centers. The people

1523
01:02:00.160 --> 01:02:02.616
have spoken on these things in a fair

1524
01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:04.856
and unbiased way where they all had the

1525
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.335
ability to contribute to this strategy

1526
01:02:07.359 --> 01:02:09.896
and they did and they told us they want

1527
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.920
these things. So I don't want to delay

1528
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:15.496
it. I want to bring in safer

1529
01:02:15.520 --> 01:02:16.936
interventions that make our streets

1530
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:18.936
safer. So I say let's go and let's do

1531
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:21.960
these things. You might not support

1532
01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:24.376
every proposal that comes out of that

1533
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:25.815
and the community will have an

1534
01:02:25.839 --> 01:02:27.416
opportunity to say no, they don't want

1535
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.896
particular um projects or interventions.

1536
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.136
But what we what we will do out of this

1537
01:02:32.160 --> 01:02:33.815
strategy is have a toolbox of

1538
01:02:33.839 --> 01:02:35.736
interventions that we can go and address

1539
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.216
these safety risks across the city of

1540
01:02:38.240 --> 01:02:39.736
Port Phillip. So I want to get this

1541
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:41.335
done. I want to get these tools in our

1542
01:02:41.359 --> 01:02:43.736
toolbox so that we can minimize the

1543
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.055
horrible impacts on people's lives um

1544
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:49.079
from road crashes.

1545
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.376
Thank you, councelor Halliday. Any

1546
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.696
further discussion on this item?

1547
01:02:54.720 --> 01:02:57.720
Councelor Jay,

1548
01:03:00.799 --> 01:03:03.575
some of us are logical,

1549
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:06.599
some are ideological.

1550
01:03:06.799 --> 01:03:09.496
Some are asking to strengthen the

1551
01:03:09.520 --> 01:03:11.335
streets and the safety in routes that

1552
01:03:11.359 --> 01:03:14.136
are unsafe with black spots from a

1553
01:03:14.160 --> 01:03:16.856
evidence-based and others want a blanket

1554
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.256
approach where we just minimize all

1555
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:21.575
movement and pray to God that there'll

1556
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.815
be no deaths.

1557
01:03:23.839 --> 01:03:25.815
This is very clear that it's one of

1558
01:03:25.839 --> 01:03:28.055
those hot topics in the community where

1559
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:29.656
people will have different ideas and

1560
01:03:29.680 --> 01:03:31.496
different perspectives.

1561
01:03:31.520 --> 01:03:33.815
I do want everybody to actually consider

1562
01:03:33.839 --> 01:03:35.736
the lived experience of our residents

1563
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.575
and the people that actually live in

1564
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.456
these areas and their lived experience

1565
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.176
and what they need. If anyone's

1566
01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:44.616
listening, this will go back to the

1567
01:03:44.640 --> 01:03:46.216
community and it's up to you to show up

1568
01:03:46.240 --> 01:03:47.976
in numbers one way or another because

1569
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.136
you can see with the counselors that

1570
01:03:50.160 --> 01:03:52.535
this is very split in our approach and

1571
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.176
perspective. Um, I'm happy to accept

1572
01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:58.200
this petition and um, I've also already

1573
01:03:59.520 --> 01:04:01.416
requested some reports about the

1574
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.736
previous situation so we as a councilor

1575
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.456
group can be very informed about the

1576
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:08.136
history so we don't make the same

1577
01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:10.856
mistakes again. So I think what you will

1578
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.416
get from everyone in this room is a very

1579
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:15.015
detailed

1580
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:18.039
um, exploration in this topic. So good

1581
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:22.119
luck.

1582
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.400
Any further discussion on this item?

1583
01:04:31.839 --> 01:04:34.839
No further counselors.

1584
01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:38.856
All right, I'm going to enter the debate

1585
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:39.416
here.

1586
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:40.216
There is.

1587
01:04:40.240 --> 01:04:40.535
Yes,

1588
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:42.856
there is for me.

1589
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:44.216
, you spoke to the item.

1590
01:04:44.240 --> 01:04:44.856
Thank you,

1591
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:47.880
Deb.  well that I spoke to the item

1592
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:52.599
that is to put it to the motion to put

1593
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:54.055
it to motion.

1594
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:55.496
You seconded the item.

1595
01:04:55.520 --> 01:04:57.015
Um

1596
01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:59.496
yeah, deputy mayor, you you seconded the

1597
01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:02.520
item. So you spoke when you seconded it.

1598
01:05:04.799 --> 01:05:07.015
Okay. Thank you, mayor, for that

1599
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:07.976
clarification.

1600
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:09.815
No, no, you so you did speak when you

1601
01:05:09.839 --> 01:05:12.839
seconded it.

1602
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:16.039
All right.  over to

1603
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.440
over to me.

1604
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.015
I find it really interesting that this

1605
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.039
has become so heavily weaponized when

1606
01:05:27.359 --> 01:05:30.359
we're looking at our roads, the

1607
01:05:30.640 --> 01:05:33.335
infrastructure, how people move around,

1608
01:05:33.359 --> 01:05:35.656
and

1609
01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:37.335
how we ensure that we can do that as

1610
01:05:37.359 --> 01:05:39.736
safely as possible with a range of tools

1611
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.216
that should be available to us at our

1612
01:05:42.240 --> 01:05:43.815
disposal.

1613
01:05:43.839 --> 01:05:45.656
This is a high level strategic document.

1614
01:05:45.680 --> 01:05:48.680
It is a strategy. But I can appreciate

1615
01:05:48.720 --> 01:05:50.775
also the ambiguity that I think that

1616
01:05:50.799 --> 01:05:52.856
creates and I think this is the

1617
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:55.176
challenge here.

1618
01:05:55.200 --> 01:05:58.200
I support the intent of safer transport,

1619
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:00.616
safer roads,

1620
01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:02.456
sustainable transport as many of you

1621
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:05.480
know, but I can see why there has been

1622
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.616
anxiety or concerns around this based on

1623
01:06:10.640 --> 01:06:12.456
previous history for better or for

1624
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:14.055
worse.

1625
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.055
So I don't necessarily have an issue

1626
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:18.775
with the petition itself in terms of

1627
01:06:18.799 --> 01:06:20.696
seeking further time and I think we as

1628
01:06:20.720 --> 01:06:23.095
councilors need that time to sort this

1629
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.815
out but we need that time to actually do

1630
01:06:25.839 --> 01:06:28.376
it constructively. We need that time to

1631
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:30.696
work through what are the principles,

1632
01:06:30.720 --> 01:06:33.496
what are the tools that we have and we

1633
01:06:33.520 --> 01:06:35.496
need the community to trust that this is

1634
01:06:35.520 --> 01:06:37.496
a new council that wants to have that

1635
01:06:37.520 --> 01:06:39.736
conversation.

1636
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.815
We cannot just continue moving around

1637
01:06:41.839 --> 01:06:44.775
the same way we are. But we also need to

1638
01:06:44.799 --> 01:06:46.616
be able to do that in a way that makes

1639
01:06:46.640 --> 01:06:48.936
sense.

1640
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:51.335
So I can respect the petition. I can

1641
01:06:51.359 --> 01:06:54.136
respect the intent of giving us that

1642
01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:56.216
time. But councilors, this is ultimately

1643
01:06:56.240 --> 01:06:58.696
going to be on us to sort this out. And

1644
01:06:58.720 --> 01:07:00.295
if we use that time to do it

1645
01:07:00.319 --> 01:07:02.696
constructively, which many of us have

1646
01:07:02.720 --> 01:07:05.256
indicated at times we want to, we need

1647
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:07.256
to take that time to do it. If this

1648
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.575
comes back and we're having the same

1649
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.976
sort of argument again, we have failed

1650
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.376
in that mission. So it is on us to

1651
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.775
actually figure out the way forward here

1652
01:07:16.799 --> 01:07:18.936
because this is a strategy that looks at

1653
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.496
safer roads, safer movement of people

1654
01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:23.736
and we need to respect that and that

1655
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.295
strategy has sense in terms of what it's

1656
01:07:26.319 --> 01:07:28.616
trying to achieve. Yes, it needs

1657
01:07:28.640 --> 01:07:30.775
something in between to help us on that

1658
01:07:30.799 --> 01:07:33.095
journey.

1659
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:36.119
But if we do not take that time to

1660
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.856
figure it out,

1661
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.015
that is, you know, that is a failing on

1662
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:43.976
us as a group. So I'm open to giving it

1663
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.856
the time. We need to work constructively

1664
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:48.775
counselors in getting it to a point

1665
01:07:48.799 --> 01:07:51.496
where we get clarity, where we provide

1666
01:07:51.520 --> 01:07:53.496
certainty and we give confidence to

1667
01:07:53.520 --> 01:07:56.216
ourselves and our residents. And I ask

1668
01:07:56.240 --> 01:07:57.815
our residents, you know, trust us on

1669
01:07:57.839 --> 01:07:59.335
this journey. This is seven new

1670
01:07:59.359 --> 01:08:01.416
counselors. We are trying to figure out

1671
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.416
a way forward here knowing you know some

1672
01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:06.440
of the history that has taken place.

1673
01:08:06.799 --> 01:08:09.095
Give us that time. You've asked us for

1674
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:10.775
the time. I'm willing to grant that time

1675
01:08:10.799 --> 01:08:13.736
in terms of my vote, but also let us

1676
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.135
take that work and figure out a way

1677
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:17.735
forward on this and trust us on where

1678
01:08:17.759 --> 01:08:20.759
we're going to get on this.

1679
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:24.520
Does the mover wish to close?

1680
01:08:26.400 --> 01:08:29.016
Strategy is very complicated. I can't

1681
01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:32.040
say too much. profession

1682
01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:35.400
but I think we need to get to ideas and

1683
01:08:35.839 --> 01:08:38.839
then that's why

1684
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.295
now the debate has been exhausted

1685
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:49.576
clarifying question

1686
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:51.096
yes

1687
01:08:51.120 --> 01:08:53.496
this  the acceptance of this

1688
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:56.056
particular petition here does not delay

1689
01:08:56.080 --> 01:08:58.936
the decision about the  road safety

1690
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:00.936
strategy Does it?

1691
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:02.775
, one of the recommendations is that

1692
01:09:02.799 --> 01:09:04.936
it will be deferred to the 5th of August

1693
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:05.735
council meeting.

1694
01:09:05.759 --> 01:09:07.255
It's already deferred to the 5th of

1695
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:08.695
Yes. Yep. Sorry. Yeah.

1696
01:09:08.719 --> 01:09:10.295
There's no change here.

1697
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:11.896
Yeah. So, if we Yeah. to the 5th of

1698
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:12.616
August. That's correct.

1699
01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:13.655
Clarify for the people here.

1700
01:09:13.679 --> 01:09:14.936
No, you're right.

1701
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:17.016
Nobody Nothing's changing.

1702
01:09:17.040 --> 01:09:19.096
No, we're debating the recommendation

1703
01:09:19.120 --> 01:09:20.695
and no one has suggested a change to

1704
01:09:20.719 --> 01:09:22.215
that recommendation being the 5th of

1705
01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:24.695
August. That's correct.

1706
01:09:24.719 --> 01:09:27.719
I'd like to recommend

1707
01:09:28.400 --> 01:09:30.456
I'd like to recommend a change of of

1708
01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:31.655
dates.

1709
01:09:31.679 --> 01:09:33.576
Do you wish to We've closed the debate,

1710
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:34.616
Councelor Jay.

1711
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.016
Yeah. Well, I mean, I had some questions

1712
01:09:37.040 --> 01:09:38.376
before and you told me to ask them

1713
01:09:38.400 --> 01:09:40.056
later, but I'm really struggling to see

1714
01:09:40.080 --> 01:09:41.175
when the questions will

1715
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:42.936
Yeah, we've we've closed the debate,

1716
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.016
councelor Jay. So, the recommendation is

1717
01:09:45.040 --> 01:09:46.616
before us. If you wish to put an

1718
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:47.976
amendment forward, you could have done

1719
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:49.655
that.

1720
01:09:49.679 --> 01:09:51.255
So, we're debating the recommendation

1721
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:53.016
that is before us. That was what the

1722
01:09:53.040 --> 01:09:56.040
mover moved. If you don't support what

1723
01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:57.736
is recommended, you can vote against it

1724
01:09:57.760 --> 01:09:59.576
and then re-enter the debate if you

1725
01:09:59.600 --> 01:09:59.976
wish.

1726
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.816
I'd like it in parts. I'd like to vote

1727
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.215
for it in parts.

1728
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:05.336
I'm happy to accept.

1729
01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:06.776
Oh, that is at the discretion of the

1730
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:08.616
chair. Which parts would you wish to

1731
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:09.496
consider?

1732
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:12.296
 number one.

1733
01:10:12.320 --> 01:10:15.096
All right. We can vote on part  so

1734
01:10:15.120 --> 01:10:17.256
item one. We can vote on item one being

1735
01:10:17.280 --> 01:10:19.256
that we receive and note  sorry

1736
01:10:19.280 --> 01:10:21.175
receive and note the petition thanking

1737
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.816
the lead petitioner. Let's vote on that.

1738
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:25.816
We'll happy to vote in parts. All those

1739
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.840
in favor in part one

1740
01:10:29.360 --> 01:10:32.360
that is carried unanimously.

1741
01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:35.496
Sorry, sorry I thought I saw your hands.

1742
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:37.736
Sorry. That is councelor J. Let's

1743
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:39.416
councelor Jay, councelor Hardy,

1744
01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:41.976
councelor Halliday, myself, councelor

1745
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.536
Buckingham, councelor Cunsoloo,

1746
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.336
Deputy May,

1747
01:10:47.360 --> 01:10:50.135
noting an absence from councelor Thomann.

1748
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.776
All right. All those opposed to item

1749
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.175
one, thanking the lead petitioner. All

1750
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:57.496
those opposed to part one, thanking the

1751
01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.496
lead petitioner. Show of hands if you're

1752
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.520
opposed to it. Are you abstaining?

1753
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:04.936
All right, one abstaining.

1754
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.736
And we have

1755
01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:10.376
Yes, it is.

1756
01:11:10.400 --> 01:11:12.616
That is part one is carried.

1757
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:14.776
All right.

1758
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.096
Part two. And what's your second part

1759
01:11:17.120 --> 01:11:19.736
for this motion, councelor Jay?

1760
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:20.616
What do you mean?

1761
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:22.215
As well, you've asked for it in parts.

1762
01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:23.416
So, what's the second part?

1763
01:11:23.440 --> 01:11:24.376
For the rest of it to be

1764
01:11:24.400 --> 01:11:25.655
All right. So, you want parts two and

1765
01:11:25.679 --> 01:11:28.056
three debated as one part or voted on as

1766
01:11:28.080 --> 01:11:30.215
one part. All right. So, we're now

1767
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.239
voting on parts two, which is item two

1768
01:11:34.320 --> 01:11:37.320
and three of this recommendation.

1769
01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:40.920
All those in favor of part two

1770
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.199
containing items two and three

1771
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:50.456
that is councelor Hardy councelor

1772
01:11:50.480 --> 01:11:51.976
Halliday

1773
01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.376
deputy may me councelor Cunsolo and

1774
01:11:54.400 --> 01:11:57.400
myself mayor Mak all those against part

1775
01:11:58.320 --> 01:12:01.320
two that is

1776
01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.600
against is councelor J sorry sorry

1777
01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:06.536
against

1778
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:08.296
this is items two and three council

1779
01:12:08.320 --> 01:12:11.256
Buckingham

1780
01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:13.976
any abstaining on part two that is

1781
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.576
abstaining

1782
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.600
councelor Buckingham councelor Crawford

1783
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:27.640
that is carried

1784
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.640
bit of fun at the start of the council

1785
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:38.776
That item is carried. Takes us now to

1786
01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:40.695
item 7.1,

1787
01:12:40.719 --> 01:12:43.719
the presentation of the CO report.

1788
01:12:47.679 --> 01:12:50.679
Any questions for this agenda item 7.1?

1789
01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:54.936
Yes,

1790
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.576
Council Crawford. It's so it's so great

1791
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.600
that our um South Melbourne market was

1792
01:13:01.280 --> 01:13:04.056
fourth in the world. But who who ran who

1793
01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:07.080
assesses that? Who names us fourth best

1794
01:13:07.280 --> 01:13:09.256
market in the world?

1795
01:13:09.280 --> 01:13:11.256
We don't know.

1796
01:13:11.280 --> 01:13:12.296
I'll take that on notice.

1797
01:13:12.320 --> 01:13:14.536
 no, it's going to be answered by

1798
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.456
Brian T.

1799
01:13:16.480 --> 01:13:19.480
 thank you. And  my recollection is

1800
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:22.840
that  the organization that did it had

1801
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:27.640
a look at the reviews that markets

1802
01:13:28.719 --> 01:13:31.336
received internationally. So it was

1803
01:13:31.360 --> 01:13:33.736
people who attended markets who put in a

1804
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.175
review to those markets and then

1805
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.199
compared that  across  a number of

1806
01:13:38.480 --> 01:13:41.480
markets and the um  the market that

1807
01:13:42.400 --> 01:13:45.336
received and and the the South Melbourne

1808
01:13:45.360 --> 01:13:47.816
market was the fourth highest rated

1809
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:49.496
market out of the reviews that people

1810
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:52.520
had given to markets across the world.

1811
01:13:57.040 --> 01:13:57.655
Vid you James

1812
01:13:57.679 --> 01:13:59.655
Colin through you may sorry to jump in

1813
01:13:59.679 --> 01:14:02.679
the um the organizer was all clear which

1814
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:05.336
is an insurance company that aggregates

1815
01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:07.976
over 400,000 online reviews of four to

1816
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.000
five stars. So um whilst it's not a

1817
01:14:11.040 --> 01:14:13.576
credible food authority what it is is a

1818
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.296
populous um and the the volume of

1819
01:14:16.320 --> 01:14:19.320
reviews being um being considered is

1820
01:14:19.360 --> 01:14:22.135
quite significant in this regard.

1821
01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:24.135
Any

1822
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:27.159
further questions?

1823
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:37.159
No further questions. In which case, we

1824
01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:39.256
have a recommendation before us. Is a

1825
01:14:39.280 --> 01:14:41.416
councelor wishes to move or something

1826
01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:43.655
different?

1827
01:14:43.679 --> 01:14:45.576
Moved. Councelor, sorry, councelor

1828
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.600
Halliday.

1829
01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:50.536
Moved. Councelor Halliday. Is that

1830
01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:52.376
going to be seconded by councelor Hardy?

1831
01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:55.400
Yes, it's seconded by councelor Hardy.

1832
01:14:55.440 --> 01:14:58.440
Does the mover wish to speak?

1833
01:14:58.719 --> 01:15:01.416
No. Let's put the motion.

1834
01:15:01.440 --> 01:15:03.336
Does the second wish to speak? Has to be

1835
01:15:03.360 --> 01:15:05.976
seconded before you can put it. I

1836
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:07.336
No, I don't.

1837
01:15:07.360 --> 01:15:09.256
Does anyone else wish to speak?

1838
01:15:09.280 --> 01:15:10.695
Otherwise, there has been a request to

1839
01:15:10.719 --> 01:15:13.175
put the motion. In which case, there's

1840
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:14.695
been no indication of speaking. So,

1841
01:15:14.719 --> 01:15:16.856
we'll put the motion. All those in

1842
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:19.880
favor, show of hands. Councelor

1843
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:23.336
Jay, where's it? Yep. Thank you. ,

1844
01:15:23.360 --> 01:15:24.695
that looks like it's carried

1845
01:15:24.719 --> 01:15:27.719
unanimously.

1846
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:32.760
Item 8.1, planning application for the

1847
01:15:33.040 --> 01:15:34.856
use and development of North Ankilda

1848
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:37.880
Childcare Center, 71 to 79 Argal Street.

1849
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.296
Any questions for counselors for Yeah.

1850
01:15:40.320 --> 01:15:41.655
Any questions from counselors to

1851
01:15:41.679 --> 01:15:44.679
officers for this item?

1852
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:46.616
, thank you, mayor, with your

1853
01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:49.416
permission. Um

1854
01:15:49.440 --> 01:15:52.440
this is a um a complex um planning

1855
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.520
application for us as we are both  the

1856
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:59.496
applicant and the decision maker in with

1857
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:02.376
you know we in different ways there. Um

1858
01:16:02.400 --> 01:16:05.336
I'm just wondering what actually are we

1859
01:16:05.360 --> 01:16:08.360
deciding on tonight? What is under our

1860
01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:11.640
the council laws um purview for this

1861
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.560
decision?

1862
01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:18.135
Thank you for that question, councelor

1863
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:20.456
Halliday, and through you, Mayor. ,

1864
01:16:20.480 --> 01:16:23.016
this application's rather discreet in

1865
01:16:23.040 --> 01:16:26.040
consideration. Um, , within the

1866
01:16:26.400 --> 01:16:28.695
officers report, it sets out permit

1867
01:16:28.719 --> 01:16:30.856
triggers, um, as part of the

1868
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.880
recommendation and, um, the land in

1869
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:36.776
simple terms is in two different zones.

1870
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:38.776
One's a public purpose zone and one's a

1871
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:40.616
residential zone. The residential zone

1872
01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:42.776
is a very small slither of land and

1873
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:44.296
that's the only aspect where we're

1874
01:16:44.320 --> 01:16:47.320
considering  um matters  largely

1875
01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:49.736
under this application. So we are

1876
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:52.215
confined to a very small aspect of

1877
01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:54.616
consideration. Um there's a number of

1878
01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.496
concerns around aspects that aren't open

1879
01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.976
to consideration such as vegetation

1880
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.000
removal. Um  so it is is um the things

1881
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:06.856
that we are considering is  the

1882
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.880
construction of a building um within the

1883
01:17:10.719 --> 01:17:13.256
 residential zone.  we are

1884
01:17:13.280 --> 01:17:16.280
considering  um the construction of

1885
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:18.376
the building within a special building

1886
01:17:18.400 --> 01:17:21.400
overlay and we are considering where the

1887
01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:24.376
building has an existing use right

1888
01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:26.776
having been there for a number of years.

1889
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.296
continuation of that use and the

1890
01:17:28.320 --> 01:17:29.896
development associated with that under

1891
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:32.920
the existing his rights provisions.

1892
01:17:33.040 --> 01:17:34.695
Councelor Halliday, just to clarify

1893
01:17:34.719 --> 01:17:36.616
there though, but the demolition of the

1894
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.336
um of the existing building will um

1895
01:17:39.360 --> 01:17:41.576
extinguish the ex existing use rights,

1896
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.496
won't it?

1897
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:46.520
It it does in part extinguish, but the

1898
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:50.600
provisions at 63 of the planning scheme

1899
01:17:51.679 --> 01:17:54.679
provide that a planning permit can be

1900
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.800
sought to continue that use. Um and

1901
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.239
therefore um under 6305 the buildings

1902
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:04.056
and works um associated with an existing

1903
01:18:04.080 --> 01:18:07.080
use are being considered and 6310 of the

1904
01:18:07.280 --> 01:18:08.536
planning scheme which is the

1905
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.135
continuation of the existing use

1906
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:13.159
provision um is um is entertained. So

1907
01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:15.576
that's where we're um assessing those

1908
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.655
and there's a limited discretion um

1909
01:18:17.679 --> 01:18:19.576
under those um aspects which is set out

1910
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:21.896
in the report.

1911
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.376
Any other questions? Councelor Cunsolo.

1912
01:18:24.400 --> 01:18:25.576
Thank you. As it's already been

1913
01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:27.096
outlined, it's really complicated. where

1914
01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:29.096
we're assessing only the temp planning

1915
01:18:29.120 --> 01:18:31.655
part as you outlined now. But during the

1916
01:18:31.679 --> 01:18:33.976
community um consult whatever it's

1917
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:35.496
called the community consultation

1918
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:37.736
meeting it was brought up. Did council

1919
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:39.976
ever consider doing a larger building

1920
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:41.816
here that incorporated more of the Betty

1921
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:44.840
Day center than just a standalone child

1922
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:47.175
care center? I don't know who's best to

1923
01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:48.695
answer that but I think it's really

1924
01:18:48.719 --> 01:18:49.816
important for the community to

1925
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:52.135
understand kind of the process to how we

1926
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:53.576
even came up with what we're talking

1927
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.016
about tonight.

1928
01:18:55.040 --> 01:18:57.416
Um, thank you for the question, Council

1929
01:18:57.440 --> 01:19:00.376
Cunsoloo. I probably will defer to Kylie

1930
01:19:00.400 --> 01:19:03.256
Bennett's on that. Um, because what is

1931
01:19:03.280 --> 01:19:05.416
before us tonight, um, is an application

1932
01:19:05.440 --> 01:19:06.776
for planning permit and we can only

1933
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:08.695
consider what's before us. Um, so I'll

1934
01:19:08.719 --> 01:19:11.016
hand over to Kylie to outline the

1935
01:19:11.040 --> 01:19:13.096
aspects of broader consideration if she

1936
01:19:13.120 --> 01:19:14.296
can

1937
01:19:14.320 --> 01:19:16.215
through through you, Mayor. Thank you

1938
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:18.616
for the question. , given given the

1939
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:20.296
historical context, I'd have to take

1940
01:19:20.320 --> 01:19:23.320
that question on notice. Apologies.

1941
01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:26.616
That's okay. I think that if we can get

1942
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:27.896
a notice that still will be helpful for

1943
01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:29.256
the committee later down the road. Thank

1944
01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:31.736
you.

1945
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.760
Any further questions,

1946
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:36.056
councelor Crawford?

1947
01:19:36.080 --> 01:19:37.896
I know there has been some concern

1948
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.920
around the noise um for  extra

1949
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:43.016
children playing and again it's a

1950
01:19:43.040 --> 01:19:44.856
planning thing and the acoustics report

1951
01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:47.096
did say it's acceptable. Do we have any

1952
01:19:47.120 --> 01:19:49.496
idea though? I I'm just wanting to

1953
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:52.520
clarify that all of those extra children

1954
01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:54.616
will not be outside all at the same time

1955
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:56.616
and don't they usually schedule play so

1956
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:58.536
it would be a limited number of people

1957
01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:01.175
so the noise level might not be as high

1958
01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:02.776
I I guess I just in terms of the

1959
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.056
functionality of a child care it

1960
01:20:04.080 --> 01:20:07.080
wouldn't be 120 kids out at the one time

1961
01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:09.416
through you may I might ask  Mark

1962
01:20:09.440 --> 01:20:11.096
Patterson the manager of family youth

1963
01:20:11.120 --> 01:20:13.816
and children

1964
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.536
sure  through yourself mayor counselor

1965
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:17.736
you'll have to come to the microphone

1966
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.760
phone. Mark, sorry. And turn it. You can

1967
01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:23.800
sit there.

1968
01:20:24.080 --> 01:20:24.616
Welcome.

1969
01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:25.896
You might need to press the button. You

1970
01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:27.256
know, Mark,

1971
01:20:27.280 --> 01:20:29.016
it is glowing red and that seems like

1972
01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:30.616
it's working. So hopefully we're all

1973
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.175
good. Um through yourself, Mr. Mayor,

1974
01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:35.416
most  child care facilities of this

1975
01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:36.936
nature operate what's called an

1976
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:39.816
indooroutdoor program.  so it's quite

1977
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:42.840
common for children to be able to go

1978
01:20:43.040 --> 01:20:46.040
inside or outside as they please. 

1979
01:20:46.080 --> 01:20:47.896
obviously there are some times when

1980
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:49.496
particular programs might dictate

1981
01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:52.520
they're either inside or outside.  so

1982
01:20:53.360 --> 01:20:56.135
while it's less likely that all children

1983
01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:58.776
would be outside at the same time, it is

1984
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:01.800
possible from time to time.

1985
01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:04.536
And back to Paul Wood, I might just

1986
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:06.296
elaborate on that.  the acoustic

1987
01:21:06.320 --> 01:21:07.736
report does touch on this and the

1988
01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:10.695
acoustic report has applied um the worst

1989
01:21:10.719 --> 01:21:13.719
case scenario of  full capacity

1990
01:21:14.320 --> 01:21:17.320
outside um  in   a higher volume

1991
01:21:20.400 --> 01:21:23.400
  nature um  and that's where

1992
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:25.576
they've sought to take the worst case

1993
01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:28.056
scenario in the recommendations. Um and

1994
01:21:28.080 --> 01:21:29.576
those recommendations include an

1995
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:32.600
acoustic barrier um to limit sound and

1996
01:21:32.719 --> 01:21:34.616
also for the provision of a noise

1997
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:36.776
management plan to address some of the

1998
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:39.800
aspects of um what happens when um

1999
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:42.056
children might start crying and where

2000
01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:45.080
they are cared for. Um and  um  also

2001
01:21:48.080 --> 01:21:49.816
looking at complaints if there are

2002
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:51.816
neighbor concerns. So contact number so

2003
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:54.840
that neighbors can um call.

2004
01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:58.456
Any further questions? Councelor

2005
01:21:58.480 --> 01:21:59.175
Halliday.

2006
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:01.655
 probably a few.  thank you mayor.

2007
01:22:01.679 --> 01:22:04.679
Um one of the 

2008
01:22:05.440 --> 01:22:07.816
issues raised by the neighbors was this

2009
01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.615
this kind of um what do they call it?

2010
01:22:10.639 --> 01:22:13.639
hammerhead axe axe thingy piece of land

2011
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.920
on the east side um adjacent to the 

2012
01:22:17.360 --> 01:22:19.256
to the boundary of the properties

2013
01:22:19.280 --> 01:22:22.280
immediately to the east um and ensuring

2014
01:22:22.480 --> 01:22:25.336
that that does not become you know a a

2015
01:22:25.360 --> 01:22:28.360
safety issue for those blocks. How do we

2016
01:22:28.400 --> 01:22:31.336
propose to um address that safety risk

2017
01:22:31.360 --> 01:22:33.096
that's been raised?

2018
01:22:33.120 --> 01:22:34.456
Um thank you for the question through

2019
01:22:34.480 --> 01:22:37.480
you mayor.  the proposed condition 1D

2020
01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.096
addresses this and that's requiring an

2021
01:22:39.120 --> 01:22:40.536
update to the landscape plan to deal

2022
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:42.056
with how the strip of land along that

2023
01:22:42.080 --> 01:22:44.695
eastern um boundary of the site will be

2024
01:22:44.719 --> 01:22:47.655
maintained and secured. Um and that 

2025
01:22:47.679 --> 01:22:50.679
we consider is an appropriate way to um

2026
01:22:50.719 --> 01:22:53.655
manage that.

2027
01:22:53.679 --> 01:22:55.416
And for the sake of this discussion that

2028
01:22:55.440 --> 01:22:57.655
means planting in there but not like a

2029
01:22:57.679 --> 01:22:59.736
gate or something though some kind of

2030
01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:02.615
dense planting that prevents people from

2031
01:23:02.639 --> 01:23:05.639
accessing. um  through you mayor. It

2032
01:23:05.679 --> 01:23:08.135
leaves it open to consider the different

2033
01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:10.695
options available to secure it. So it

2034
01:23:10.719 --> 01:23:12.695
will need to be provided and reviewed to

2035
01:23:12.719 --> 01:23:14.856
our satisfaction um to confirm that it

2036
01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:17.880
meets that requirement.

2037
01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:21.880
 continuing um we we also heard about

2038
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:26.056
concerns about overlooking

2039
01:23:26.080 --> 01:23:29.080
um what  you know there's two

2040
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:30.695
different levels here that we're that

2041
01:23:30.719 --> 01:23:32.615
we're talking about. um one is the

2042
01:23:32.639 --> 01:23:34.695
ground level and both of these are along

2043
01:23:34.719 --> 01:23:36.615
al along the east side where there's

2044
01:23:36.639 --> 01:23:39.639
adjacent um properties there and then

2045
01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:42.615
ground level and then there's I think

2046
01:23:42.639 --> 01:23:44.776
one window up on the upper level. How

2047
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.576
are we preventing the the overlooking

2048
01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:50.600
from those two different levels?

2049
01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:54.199
um through you mayor.  non-residential

2050
01:23:54.400 --> 01:23:57.400
uses technically don't have the same 

2051
01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:00.456
requirements as residential development

2052
01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:03.416
in this area, but what we have done is

2053
01:24:03.440 --> 01:24:05.576
treated the same consideration of

2054
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:07.096
overlooking that we would for a

2055
01:24:07.120 --> 01:24:09.976
residential development.  the larger

2056
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.215
window has a shroud that prevents

2057
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.239
overlooking.  the ground level has a

2058
01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:18.456
um there is a traffickable surface and

2059
01:24:18.480 --> 01:24:21.336
some windows that face the eastern way

2060
01:24:21.360 --> 01:24:24.360
and through a review of the sections it

2061
01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:28.056
has a 1.7 m screen which is what would

2062
01:24:28.080 --> 01:24:30.376
otherwise be provided for a residential

2063
01:24:30.400 --> 01:24:33.400
development to limit  overlooking.

2064
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:37.096
Any further questions? Councelor

2065
01:24:37.120 --> 01:24:39.416
Halliday.

2066
01:24:39.440 --> 01:24:41.336
Um,

2067
01:24:41.360 --> 01:24:43.175
oh my god, I've forgotten my question.

2068
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.976
What was this one?

2069
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:49.000
, do we remember um Argal Street? ,

2070
01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:51.496
there were some recently some changes

2071
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:53.096
made to Argal Street. Do we know how

2072
01:24:53.120 --> 01:24:55.416
many um parking spots were lost on Argal

2073
01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:57.175
Street through that  through those

2074
01:24:57.199 --> 01:24:58.936
works?

2075
01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.816
 I I don't have it off the top of my

2076
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.840
head.  what I will say is that um the

2077
01:25:06.639 --> 01:25:09.639
reduction of car parking um is not a

2078
01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:11.496
matter that necessarily needs to be

2079
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.056
considered under this application.  we

2080
01:25:14.080 --> 01:25:16.215
have a statutory parking rate that is

2081
01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.695
required um for this type of use and and

2082
01:25:18.719 --> 01:25:21.175
that is exceeded in this case on the

2083
01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:24.135
land. Um and if we otherwise consider

2084
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:25.816
Argal Street, there has been some

2085
01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:27.576
modifications to the street um through

2086
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:30.215
improvement works. um the road still has

2087
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:32.856
the capacity for the volume of traffic

2088
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.496
that's anticipated for this. So um we

2089
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:38.135
say that the traffic and parking is 

2090
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:41.159
acceptable for the proposal.

2091
01:25:41.280 --> 01:25:44.280
Thanks. Um help myself.  if we rewind

2092
01:25:45.120 --> 01:25:48.120
back to um the the child care

2093
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:51.576
redevelopment program, I think this is

2094
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.600
maybe 3 or 4 years ago maybe. I think

2095
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.880
that was the inception of of the

2096
01:25:58.480 --> 01:26:01.480
redevelopment of this building. Um

2097
01:26:02.719 --> 01:26:04.936
at what point did we make the decision

2098
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:07.960
to you know to design this um this curve

2099
01:26:08.400 --> 01:26:11.175
building and at what point will we will

2100
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:14.199
we the council make a um an assessment

2101
01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:17.016
of the cost of that curve building as

2102
01:26:17.040 --> 01:26:20.040
opposed to other design um

2103
01:26:20.400 --> 01:26:22.536
through through you mayor. I don't have

2104
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:25.175
the exact dates of when council made 

2105
01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:27.976
its decisions um with respect to the

2106
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:30.215
program in front of me.  but what I

2107
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.856
can say is that the intention is to

2108
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:35.576
construct the building to budget  and

2109
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:37.016
that the contract amount will be

2110
01:26:37.040 --> 01:26:38.456
established through a competitive

2111
01:26:38.480 --> 01:26:40.695
request for tender process and we do

2112
01:26:40.719 --> 01:26:43.719
have a a program budget um of which all

2113
01:26:45.120 --> 01:26:47.655
of the  projects in the program are

2114
01:26:47.679 --> 01:26:49.816
being um considered and assessed

2115
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:52.536
against.  with respect to the curving,

2116
01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:54.456
I've been advised that this is achieved

2117
01:26:54.480 --> 01:26:57.480
by arranging a series of flat panels in

2118
01:26:57.679 --> 01:27:00.615
an abuting series of angles that give

2119
01:27:00.639 --> 01:27:03.639
the appearance of an overall curve. 

2120
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.496
as a result, I've been advised that the

2121
01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:07.576
cost of the rounding in the design is

2122
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:10.600
considered  marginal.

2123
01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.655
Further questions?

2124
01:27:15.679 --> 01:27:17.416
Council Cunsolo, did you have a further

2125
01:27:17.440 --> 01:27:19.816
question? No. Any other counselors have

2126
01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:21.576
councelor Jay?

2127
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:23.816
Um I spoke to one of the residents that

2128
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.776
lives directly next door and she's a

2129
01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:28.936
retired older lady. I hope she doesn't

2130
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.896
mind me saying that. Um and she was

2131
01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:34.215
concerned currently the capacity of this

2132
01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:37.239
childcare center is about 77 and the

2133
01:27:37.280 --> 01:27:40.135
future is expected to be up over 100. I

2134
01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:42.536
think 120 was the amount that she had

2135
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:44.296
quoted.

2136
01:27:44.320 --> 01:27:46.056
And obviously this resident is really

2137
01:27:46.080 --> 01:27:48.296
concerned because in her retirement

2138
01:27:48.320 --> 01:27:50.536
she's now um directly will be

2139
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:53.560
overshadowed by um u a whole platform

2140
01:27:54.719 --> 01:27:56.376
for children to play which is very

2141
01:27:56.400 --> 01:27:58.536
beautiful. Um but I can imagine if

2142
01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:00.536
you're home all day it can be quite

2143
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.536
challenging and what was a peaceful

2144
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:05.256
place with the trees blocking it off.

2145
01:28:05.280 --> 01:28:07.655
Did we take into consideration the noise

2146
01:28:07.679 --> 01:28:10.215
or is there  an increase in noise if

2147
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:11.736
there's more kids? I know you spoke

2148
01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:14.760
about AC acoustic panels. Um, have we

2149
01:28:15.040 --> 01:28:16.695
done anything to mitigate that noise

2150
01:28:16.719 --> 01:28:19.719
traveling up  into the the resident's

2151
01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.175
once peaceful home?

2152
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:24.296
Thank you for that question. The

2153
01:28:24.320 --> 01:28:26.536
acoustic report and the recommendations

2154
01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:29.256
factor in um the noise from the elevated

2155
01:28:29.280 --> 01:28:31.496
aspect of it to the adjoining um

2156
01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:33.336
properties.

2157
01:28:33.360 --> 01:28:35.576
One more question. Will the kids be able

2158
01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.296
to look down into the backyard? I

2159
01:28:38.320 --> 01:28:39.736
remember when I was at high school,

2160
01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:41.896
there was always that older lady we

2161
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:43.496
thought was a witch and we used to tease

2162
01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:46.520
her and throw things. Is there is there

2163
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:49.096
um Well, we all had one. Do you know

2164
01:28:49.120 --> 01:28:50.695
what I mean? There was always an older

2165
01:28:50.719 --> 01:28:52.615
lady that lived near the park, near the

2166
01:28:52.639 --> 01:28:54.536
school, and you know, we told stories in

2167
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.856
our heads. So, have we done things to

2168
01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:59.880
protect um the identity or the security

2169
01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:02.920
of any residents that can now be seen um

2170
01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:05.576
in the area?

2171
01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:08.296
Yeah. Um all windows are screened in a

2172
01:29:08.320 --> 01:29:09.655
way that a residential development would

2173
01:29:09.679 --> 01:29:12.056
be screened and the terraces are equally

2174
01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:14.376
 all play areas both ground level and

2175
01:29:14.400 --> 01:29:17.256
elevated um are screened  in a way

2176
01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:19.416
that would also comply with residential

2177
01:29:19.440 --> 01:29:22.440
development standards

2178
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:27.000
councelor. Hello. Um, and this might be

2179
01:29:27.679 --> 01:29:29.655
 straying into the realm of

2180
01:29:29.679 --> 01:29:32.679
speculation here. Um, but if this if

2181
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.840
this was um scrutinized by VCAT, you

2182
01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:40.456
know, someone like that this particular

2183
01:29:40.480 --> 01:29:42.215
plan

2184
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.776
would, you know, would the height would

2185
01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:47.175
the um the overlooking, the

2186
01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:50.056
overshadowing, the noise impacts here?

2187
01:29:50.080 --> 01:29:51.816
Do you think that there are any of those

2188
01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:54.840
that are um outside of the acceptable u

2189
01:29:57.040 --> 01:30:00.040
limits of what we would expect from you

2190
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:02.296
know from any kind of proposal?

2191
01:30:02.320 --> 01:30:03.976
Obviously we get a lot of proposals that

2192
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:06.695
really push the boundaries of acceptable

2193
01:30:06.719 --> 01:30:09.655
um but here we are we are doing the well

2194
01:30:09.679 --> 01:30:12.679
we're not doing this we are as I

2195
01:30:12.719 --> 01:30:14.615
understand putting forth a proposal that

2196
01:30:14.639 --> 01:30:16.296
is well within the acceptable

2197
01:30:16.320 --> 01:30:19.096
boundaries. Is that the case? Is that

2198
01:30:19.120 --> 01:30:21.416
should that be my expectation?

2199
01:30:21.440 --> 01:30:23.256
Um thank you for the question. 

2200
01:30:23.280 --> 01:30:25.655
firstly we play the same role as VCAT.

2201
01:30:25.679 --> 01:30:27.256
We are the responsible authority and

2202
01:30:27.280 --> 01:30:29.496
when um VCAT reviews it they also played

2203
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:31.496
that role as responsible authority um on

2204
01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:34.520
review. Um  the zoning for the part

2205
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.416
that's within the residential zone is a

2206
01:30:37.440 --> 01:30:38.936
general residential zone. So it has a

2207
01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:41.256
threetory um mandatory maximum. This is

2208
01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:43.256
twotory. Um so it sits comfortably

2209
01:30:43.280 --> 01:30:46.280
within that.  the setbacks are um well

2210
01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:50.536
 in  alignment with what you would

2211
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:52.695
expect for a residential development in

2212
01:30:52.719 --> 01:30:55.496
this area.  the scale and proportion

2213
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:57.336
of the building is appropriate and also

2214
01:30:57.360 --> 01:30:59.576
reflecting the historical nature of the

2215
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:02.135
 childcare center um and community

2216
01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:05.159
facility.  it it's  um very

2217
01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:08.056
consistent with  what  we would

2218
01:31:08.080 --> 01:31:11.080
anticipate um  would be approved if it

2219
01:31:11.679 --> 01:31:14.679
was reviewed.

2220
01:31:15.280 --> 01:31:17.576
Any further further further further

2221
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:20.600
questions?

2222
01:31:22.080 --> 01:31:23.256
I know you want to councelor

2223
01:31:23.280 --> 01:31:23.736
Halliday.

2224
01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:25.655
No, no, I don't want to. I I think I I

2225
01:31:25.679 --> 01:31:27.576
think I'm satisfied. Thank you. Um can

2226
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:28.456
we

2227
01:31:28.480 --> 01:31:28.856
Yep.

2228
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:31.880
Um I have an alternate

2229
01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:34.296
before we do. There is an officer

2230
01:31:34.320 --> 01:31:37.096
amendment to condition 1B which we'll

2231
01:31:37.120 --> 01:31:39.496
bring on the screen and then you may

2232
01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.520
certainly

2233
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:47.000
Yep. Brian, if you wish to speak to the

2234
01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:49.416
officer

2235
01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:50.695
amendment

2236
01:31:50.719 --> 01:31:52.296


2237
01:31:52.320 --> 01:31:55.320
there. So,  the amendment is that at

2238
01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:58.600
the end of clause B  we add the

2239
01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.960
following  words or an alternative

2240
01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:04.615
drainage design

2241
01:32:04.639 --> 01:32:07.639
um that manages overland flows to the

2242
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:10.056
satisfaction of the responsible

2243
01:32:10.080 --> 01:32:13.080
authority. Um and that  this clause

2244
01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:17.560
deals with flooding.  it  the

2245
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:21.000
existing wording  proposes that we

2246
01:32:21.199 --> 01:32:23.655
deal with flooding by retaining the

2247
01:32:23.679 --> 01:32:26.679
current or the existing grade.  what

2248
01:32:27.360 --> 01:32:30.360
the additional words do um is provide

2249
01:32:31.679 --> 01:32:34.456
for an option of an alternative way to

2250
01:32:34.480 --> 01:32:36.615
manage the flooding. Um and that's come

2251
01:32:36.639 --> 01:32:39.639
about as a result of  the submission

2252
01:32:40.639 --> 01:32:43.639
by the consultant who today as we heard

2253
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:46.056
identified or suggested that there might

2254
01:32:46.080 --> 01:32:48.135
be alternative and better ways to get

2255
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:51.159
the same  outcomes while maintaining

2256
01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:54.360
the protections for flooding.

2257
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:57.655
Thank you.  that has been amended by

2258
01:32:57.679 --> 01:32:58.936
an officer so it becomes the

2259
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:00.776
substantive.

2260
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.936
Now I believe councelor Halliday you

2261
01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:04.456
wish to propose

2262
01:33:04.480 --> 01:33:05.175
an alternate

2263
01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:06.296
an alternate motion

2264
01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:08.856
alternate motion please. Um I think 

2265
01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:11.880
the officers have it here

2266
01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:14.376
somewhere.

2267
01:33:14.400 --> 01:33:17.400
Okay. Um and noting that this is um

2268
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:21.560
separate from the planning yep decision

2269
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:24.840
element of the um of the recommendation.

2270
01:33:25.040 --> 01:33:28.040
 we're adding here 3.4 Four requests

2271
01:33:28.480 --> 01:33:30.456
officers to review local parking

2272
01:33:30.480 --> 01:33:32.695
arrangements and consider measures

2273
01:33:32.719 --> 01:33:34.695
including implementation of a dropoff

2274
01:33:34.719 --> 01:33:37.496
zone in the Bath Street car park. And

2275
01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:39.655
3.5 requests officers consider

2276
01:33:39.679 --> 01:33:41.576
additional canopy tree planting for the

2277
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:43.576
site to offset removal of vegetation

2278
01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:46.215
from the land subject to any regulatory

2279
01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:48.456
requirements including child care

2280
01:33:48.480 --> 01:33:51.016
related regulations.

2281
01:33:51.040 --> 01:33:54.040
And  that will be part two of the

2282
01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:56.776
recommendation before us.

2283
01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:59.016
So in which case we'll take this in two

2284
01:33:59.040 --> 01:34:01.496
parts

2285
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:03.496
as we start the debate. And you have put

2286
01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:06.056
forward an alternate recommendation.

2287
01:34:06.080 --> 01:34:08.056
So therefore you are moving it. And do

2288
01:34:08.080 --> 01:34:11.080
you wish to speak to the motion?

2289
01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:13.976
Yep. We do need a seconder. Would

2290
01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:16.135
someone like to second?

2291
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:18.056
Seconded. Councelor Buckingham. Now you

2292
01:34:18.080 --> 01:34:21.080
may wish to speak.

2293
01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:24.376
Um

2294
01:34:24.400 --> 01:34:26.776
that wasn't me this time. Councelor Hel.

2295
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.256
 thank you.  thank you, Mayor. Um 

2296
01:34:29.280 --> 01:34:32.280
thank you  to all of the residents who

2297
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.920
have engaged um with us about this

2298
01:34:37.679 --> 01:34:40.456
proposal. As you may have heard tonight,

2299
01:34:40.480 --> 01:34:43.480
um it's it's a very  unusual proposal

2300
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:47.239
for for me definitely and potentially um

2301
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:49.416
for the rest of the councilors because

2302
01:34:49.440 --> 01:34:52.440
we have a very narrow scope of decision

2303
01:34:52.480 --> 01:34:54.776
making about this particular proposal

2304
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.576
and we also are here as the as the

2305
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.056
applicant um on the one hand and as the

2306
01:35:00.080 --> 01:35:02.376
decision maker at the on the other hand.

2307
01:35:02.400 --> 01:35:04.056
Um and this has been particularly

2308
01:35:04.080 --> 01:35:06.856
challenging for me, you know, um being

2309
01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:09.576
 you know, the the ward council here

2310
01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:12.456
and hearing um from the local community

2311
01:35:12.480 --> 01:35:15.480
members about the impact um this will

2312
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:18.456
have on them personally. And you know,

2313
01:35:18.480 --> 01:35:20.776
through the um through my short term

2314
01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:23.336
time on council so far, I've made a

2315
01:35:23.360 --> 01:35:25.336
number of planning decisions that have

2316
01:35:25.360 --> 01:35:28.360
had similar impacts to local residents,

2317
01:35:30.320 --> 01:35:33.320
but in different wards. Um and I don't

2318
01:35:35.040 --> 01:35:38.040
feel that I could um  not be a massive

2319
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:41.175
hypocrite if I did not um assign the

2320
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:44.199
same kind of  guidelines and

2321
01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:47.960
decision-m process to this project as I

2322
01:35:49.120 --> 01:35:51.175
have to other projects. Um, one of the

2323
01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:54.199
things that um, has been a common kind

2324
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:56.456
of ,

2325
01:35:56.480 --> 01:35:58.215
a common thing we see with planning

2326
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:00.695
applications is that the change is

2327
01:36:00.719 --> 01:36:02.296
difficult for people. The change is

2328
01:36:02.320 --> 01:36:04.296
always difficult when something goes up

2329
01:36:04.320 --> 01:36:06.215
next to them. It's a little bit bigger

2330
01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:08.776
than it was before. It's it's, you know,

2331
01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:11.800
the implications are a bit more. It uses

2332
01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:13.256
up more of the land. In this case, it

2333
01:36:13.280 --> 01:36:16.280
uses up less of the land. um we see the

2334
01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:19.560
similar  issues from people where the

2335
01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:23.400
they see change coming and um it is

2336
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:26.536
uncomfortable for everyone. But again,

2337
01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:28.695
you know, I've chosen through my time in

2338
01:36:28.719 --> 01:36:31.256
council to um you know, to generally

2339
01:36:31.280 --> 01:36:33.655
speaking  approve change in other

2340
01:36:33.679 --> 01:36:35.336
areas. So I think it's only fair that I

2341
01:36:35.360 --> 01:36:38.056
approve change in um in my own ward and

2342
01:36:38.080 --> 01:36:41.080
to um people you know who I have rel you

2343
01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:44.615
know personal relationships with um in

2344
01:36:44.639 --> 01:36:47.016
this area not in a not in a governance

2345
01:36:47.040 --> 01:36:50.040
way but in a in a constituent way. Um I

2346
01:36:51.679 --> 01:36:54.679
think ultimately  this design is

2347
01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.736
acceptable. Um it is two stories in an

2348
01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:59.496
area where you know if this was a

2349
01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:00.856
residential development it could have

2350
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:03.880
been three stories. Um it, you know, it

2351
01:37:04.080 --> 01:37:06.135
um it we have addressed the

2352
01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:08.695
overshadowing, the overlooking. Um we've

2353
01:37:08.719 --> 01:37:11.175
addressed the noise.  we will address

2354
01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:13.336
the concerns about security on the

2355
01:37:13.360 --> 01:37:15.896
boundary there. Um and hopefully through

2356
01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:18.920
these additional um   conditions

2357
01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:22.056
here, we will address things like the

2358
01:37:22.080 --> 01:37:24.135
parking. We will address and try to

2359
01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:26.536
rectify some of the loss of canopy cover

2360
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.560
on this particular um piece of land. Um

2361
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:31.336
and ultimately, you know, in a few

2362
01:37:31.360 --> 01:37:34.296
years, I hope that we have a um a

2363
01:37:34.320 --> 01:37:37.320
thriving child care center here. Um you

2364
01:37:38.320 --> 01:37:40.215
know, I wish that I was had the

2365
01:37:40.239 --> 01:37:42.056
opportunity to be involved in this 4

2366
01:37:42.080 --> 01:37:44.135
years ago um so that we could have done

2367
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:45.896
this all at once with Betty Day Center,

2368
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:47.976
but I'm not in that position. So

2369
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:50.776
ultimately I think that this um this

2370
01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:53.800
proposal here  is um acceptable and I

2371
01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.016
hopefully the design here is more than

2372
01:37:59.040 --> 01:38:01.336
acceptable once this is in place. I hope

2373
01:38:01.360 --> 01:38:04.360
that um we deliver design excellence

2374
01:38:04.719 --> 01:38:07.256
here rather than just a boxy kind of you

2375
01:38:07.280 --> 01:38:09.816
know cost cutting  design. But the

2376
01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:12.215
other thing to think about here is that

2377
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:15.095
this new child care center will deliver

2378
01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:17.896
additional council child care spaces to

2379
01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:20.376
people who um might not have access to

2380
01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:22.695
to full commercial places. It will

2381
01:38:22.719 --> 01:38:24.215
improve the sightelines and the

2382
01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:27.239
accessibility of Jim Dugen reserve um

2383
01:38:27.280 --> 01:38:30.280
and it will maintain our kind of  or

2384
01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:33.576
manage our flooding over this area. So I

2385
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.215
think that ultimately this um proposal

2386
01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:36.615
is

2387
01:38:36.639 --> 01:38:37.976
thank you councelor Halliday

2388
01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:39.336
and we should support it and I will

2389
01:38:39.360 --> 01:38:40.856
support it here tonight and I thank all

2390
01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:42.215
the community members for their

2391
01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:42.856
engagement.

2392
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:44.215
Thank you councelor H. Councelor

2393
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:47.175
Buckingham as second.

2394
01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:49.095
Thank you. And I'd like to echo

2395
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:51.896
councelor Halliday's um sentiments

2396
01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:54.856
around thanking the residents that have

2397
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.936
been in contact and have shared their

2398
01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.960
their views of the designs. And also

2399
01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:03.239
echo it is a a difficult situation when

2400
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:05.896
we're both the applicant

2401
01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:08.695
um and we're making a decision here

2402
01:39:08.719 --> 01:39:11.719
tonight. And always

2403
01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:15.816
when we are when there's change on a

2404
01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:18.615
site like this, it's difficult um for

2405
01:39:18.639 --> 01:39:20.936
the adjoining properties and residents.

2406
01:39:20.960 --> 01:39:22.536
And I think the question is is the

2407
01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:24.695
balance between creating a

2408
01:39:24.719 --> 01:39:26.456
state-of-the-art child care center for

2409
01:39:26.480 --> 01:39:29.480
future um for children the future

2410
01:39:30.080 --> 01:39:33.080
children um in the area and families um

2411
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:37.896
and the the amenity of the area. Have we

2412
01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:40.920
got that balance right? And I think um

2413
01:39:41.280 --> 01:39:43.175
particularly with the amendments that

2414
01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:46.199
councelor Halliday's proposed um we

2415
01:39:46.480 --> 01:39:48.215
do have a pathway to address some of the

2416
01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:51.239
concerns that have been raised and um

2417
01:39:51.360 --> 01:39:52.936
take the next step in delivering a

2418
01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:55.960
state-of-the-art childcare center.

2419
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:58.456
Thank you councelor Buckingham. Any

2420
01:39:58.480 --> 01:39:59.976
other councelor Cunsolo.

2421
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:01.256
Thank you. I appreciate the comments

2422
01:40:01.280 --> 01:40:03.095
that have already been made. Um, if we

2423
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:05.496
could go back in time or had more money

2424
01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:07.416
or it' be a certain moment in time where

2425
01:40:07.440 --> 01:40:09.336
we can master plan this whole area, we

2426
01:40:09.360 --> 01:40:10.536
may have thought of it a little bit

2427
01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:12.056
differently with Betty Day Center, but

2428
01:40:12.080 --> 01:40:13.896
also the land we've acquired on 

2429
01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:16.615
Marriott Street  because taking more

2430
01:40:16.639 --> 01:40:18.376
advantage of the north facing things

2431
01:40:18.400 --> 01:40:20.215
like that, but that's not what's in

2432
01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:22.536
front of us as this proposal or what the

2433
01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:25.175
future holds. So, I'm fairly comfortable

2434
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.175
with what we're proposing. I understand

2435
01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:29.416
we're only able to assess on certain

2436
01:40:29.440 --> 01:40:32.440
grounds tonight. Um I'm looking at the

2437
01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:35.496
plans and see that there's more the

2438
01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:37.896
administrative wing on that ground floor

2439
01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.615
that's next to the  neighbor the

2440
01:40:40.639 --> 01:40:42.215
neighboring property the um the

2441
01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:44.615
residential side. So a lot of that

2442
01:40:44.639 --> 01:40:46.695
activity is shifted towards that Betty

2443
01:40:46.719 --> 01:40:49.719
day community center side. So from a 

2444
01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:52.615
layout that makes a lot of sense and I

2445
01:40:52.639 --> 01:40:54.615
don't think the impact pool hit as heavy

2446
01:40:54.639 --> 01:40:57.639
as if um it was the other way around.

2447
01:40:58.159 --> 01:41:00.135
But thank you for all the  work on

2448
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.536
this and I and the comments were really

2449
01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:03.976
insightful coming from the community

2450
01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:05.496
members at that consultation meeting. So

2451
01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:07.336
thank you very much too.

2452
01:41:07.360 --> 01:41:09.095
Thank you councelor Cunsolo. Any other

2453
01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:11.175
councilors wish to speak to the item

2454
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:14.199
before us? Yes councelor Jay.

2455
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:20.856
 this project like many others are

2456
01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.880
projects that we are caretaking in the

2457
01:41:24.400 --> 01:41:27.400
pipeline from the previous councils

2458
01:41:27.440 --> 01:41:29.736
before us. Not always just one term but

2459
01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:32.760
sometimes even more. I cannot ignore the

2460
01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:34.776
fact that the city of Port Phillip has

2461
01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:37.736
an aging population and a declining

2462
01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:39.336
birth rate.

2463
01:41:39.360 --> 01:41:42.056
If you view the budget, the budget

2464
01:41:42.080 --> 01:41:44.135
papers, you'll see that with the cost of

2465
01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:46.695
the upgrades, we are at a loss of

2466
01:41:46.719 --> 01:41:49.576
approximately $5 million a year

2467
01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:52.600
upgrading these child care centers. My

2468
01:41:52.719 --> 01:41:54.776
opinion is that this is just simply

2469
01:41:54.800 --> 01:41:57.655
overkill. Our community is getting

2470
01:41:57.679 --> 01:41:59.655
older, yet we're investing all this

2471
01:41:59.679 --> 01:42:02.135
money into these really amazing

2472
01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:05.159
buildings, but we actually don't

2473
01:42:06.080 --> 01:42:08.776
necessarily have the community to fill

2474
01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:11.800
them. , councelor Cunsoloo said if we

2475
01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:14.536
can go back in time, well, if it was up

2476
01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:17.560
to me, I'd ask everyone to pause and

2477
01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:19.736
let's look at this holistically with the

2478
01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:22.215
master plan for Betty Day Center and Jim

2479
01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.776
Dugan and really really look at this in

2480
01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:27.800
an integrated manner. Unfortunately, at

2481
01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.840
council things move hastily slow or hast

2482
01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:33.960
or slowly hastily as um Brian Mia says.

2483
01:42:34.639 --> 01:42:37.639
Um, I would like to maybe request the

2484
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.296
councilors to have a think about if we

2485
01:42:40.320 --> 01:42:42.215
did want to just defer this and bring it

2486
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:45.239
in with the master plan. Um,

2487
01:42:46.080 --> 01:42:47.736
and based on that, I will not support

2488
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:49.976
this tonight.

2489
01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:51.816
Thank you, Councelor J. Any other

2490
01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:54.840
councilors wish to speak to the item?

2491
01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:01.016
 there's no indication of further

2492
01:43:01.040 --> 01:43:02.376
speakers, in which case back to the

2493
01:43:02.400 --> 01:43:04.215
mover to close.

2494
01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:07.239
 thank you, ma'am. Um

2495
01:43:07.679 --> 01:43:10.376
I appreciate your your long-term

2496
01:43:10.400 --> 01:43:13.400
concerns here. And if we if we put on

2497
01:43:14.719 --> 01:43:16.936
our archaeologist hat, we could go back

2498
01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:19.960
and see that the um the funding for

2499
01:43:20.719 --> 01:43:23.256
those community child care centers was

2500
01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:26.280
predicated on this project happening as

2501
01:43:26.480 --> 01:43:29.480
well. This project here saved four, five

2502
01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:33.655
child care centers in the city of Port

2503
01:43:33.679 --> 01:43:36.679
Phillip. And if we get to 5 10 years

2504
01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:39.336
into the future and we do face these

2505
01:43:39.360 --> 01:43:42.296
demographic changes, then this will be

2506
01:43:42.320 --> 01:43:44.695
adaptively reused for a new Betty Day

2507
01:43:44.719 --> 01:43:47.719
Center and will find use in the city and

2508
01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:51.000
allow us to open up um Jim Dugen Reserve

2509
01:43:51.679 --> 01:43:54.215
 in all sorts of new ways and new

2510
01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:56.856
interfaces with Argal Street. So I see

2511
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:59.880
this as a um as a no regrets option here

2512
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:02.936
um notwithstanding the ch ch ch ch ch ch

2513
01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:02.961
ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch

2514
01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:03.016
ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch

2515
01:44:03.040 --> 01:44:03.576
ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch challenges we

2516
01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:06.600
might face um and it's what we have in

2517
01:44:07.440 --> 01:44:09.896
front of us. So  I will support this

2518
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:11.896
and I encourage the rest of my

2519
01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:14.856
colleagues to support this. Thank you.

2520
01:44:14.880 --> 01:44:17.175
The mover has closed the debate in which

2521
01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:19.016
case it will be taken to the vote. All

2522
01:44:19.040 --> 01:44:22.040
those in favor that is councelor Hardy,

2523
01:44:22.400 --> 01:44:23.655
councelor Halliday, councelor

2524
01:44:23.679 --> 01:44:25.095
Buckingham, councelor Crawford,

2525
01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:27.095
councelor Cunsolo, Deputy Mayor Mes, and

2526
01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:29.896
myself, Mayor M. All those against

2527
01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:32.920
councelor J. That motion is carried.

2528
01:44:34.320 --> 01:44:35.976
I've had a request for a 10-minute

2529
01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.000
break, so we'll come back at 8:27.

2530
01:44:41.679 --> 01:44:44.456
Welcome back, and  thank you for that

2531
01:44:44.480 --> 01:44:46.296
brief interlude.

2532
01:44:46.320 --> 01:44:49.320
We are up to item 8.2, the St. Killer

2533
01:44:49.679 --> 01:44:51.416
Community Housing Funding Amendment

2534
01:44:51.440 --> 01:44:53.256
proposal.

2535
01:44:53.280 --> 01:44:56.056
Any questions for officers for this item

2536
01:44:56.080 --> 01:44:58.776
that is before us?

2537
01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:01.416
Yes, councelor Jay.

2538
01:45:01.440 --> 01:45:04.440
Um, I believe that Sankilda Housing

2539
01:45:04.639 --> 01:45:06.456
reached out to a number of other

2540
01:45:06.480 --> 01:45:09.480
organizations for support with 

2541
01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:11.976
funding. Do you have a list or do you

2542
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.536
know how many organizations

2543
01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:17.560
um they reached out to and what the

2544
01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:20.615
reason for support or lack of support

2545
01:45:20.639 --> 01:45:23.639
was

2546
01:45:28.719 --> 01:45:30.215
 comm manager of committee building

2547
01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:31.496
and inclusion Christine Denning.

2548
01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:33.336
 thank you through you mayor and thank

2549
01:45:33.360 --> 01:45:35.576
you councelor Jay for the question. 

2550
01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.496
we understand that St. Kilda Community

2551
01:45:37.520 --> 01:45:39.655
Housing reached out to 17 different

2552
01:45:39.679 --> 01:45:41.896
organizations that included a range of

2553
01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.135
state and federal government agencies as

2554
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.456
well as as well as philanthropic

2555
01:45:46.480 --> 01:45:49.480
societies.

2556
01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:51.816
Um and was there any reasons given by

2557
01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:54.536
those agencies why there was  no

2558
01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:57.496
support for

2559
01:45:57.520 --> 01:45:59.496
our organization Sfield House?

2560
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.175
 through your mayor.

2561
01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:03.976
Um I do not have the details of the

2562
01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:07.000
reasoning. So no, sorry.

2563
01:46:08.480 --> 01:46:10.856
Any further questions for officers to

2564
01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:13.336
this item?

2565
01:46:13.360 --> 01:46:15.336
Yes, councelor Halliday.

2566
01:46:15.360 --> 01:46:16.776
, thank you, ma'am. What do we

2567
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.496
anticipate is the impact of this um this

2568
01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:21.816
2year $250,000

2569
01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:24.695
per year funding  for Silda um

2570
01:46:24.719 --> 01:46:26.615
community housing.

2571
01:46:26.639 --> 01:46:28.776
 through you, mayor. So the funding

2572
01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:31.016
will be for a dedicated housing response

2573
01:46:31.040 --> 01:46:32.856
worker as well as additional teny

2574
01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:34.695
management. will be working through the

2575
01:46:34.719 --> 01:46:37.336
KPIs in the funding deed with St Kilda

2576
01:46:37.360 --> 01:46:39.336
Community Housing should they be um

2577
01:46:39.360 --> 01:46:42.135
allowed to do this funding variation. At

2578
01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:44.296
this point, we understand that it will

2579
01:46:44.320 --> 01:46:46.456
directly impact people sleeping rough in

2580
01:46:46.480 --> 01:46:48.456
the city of Port Phillip. Um it is

2581
01:46:48.480 --> 01:46:50.296
highly likely to reduce the number of

2582
01:46:50.320 --> 01:46:53.320
people listed on our U by name list and

2583
01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:56.520
have a significant impact on street.

2584
01:46:58.080 --> 01:47:00.056
Any further questions for council

2585
01:47:00.080 --> 01:47:03.080
officers?

2586
01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:05.016
Councelor Jay,

2587
01:47:05.040 --> 01:47:07.256
um just so we could put it on public

2588
01:47:07.280 --> 01:47:10.280
record, um what will this money how will

2589
01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:14.199
this money impact our street community?

2590
01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:19.976
It's a broad question

2591
01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:22.856
 through you, mayor. Um at this stage,

2592
01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:24.936
we're not exactly sure and we'll be able

2593
01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:27.960
to give um updates as the funding

2594
01:47:28.719 --> 01:47:30.856
progresses, but we understand it will

2595
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:32.215
reduce the number of people sleeping

2596
01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:35.239
rough. It will improve amenity on street

2597
01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:38.520
and likely reduce um community or

2598
01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:40.695
antisocial behavior

2599
01:47:40.719 --> 01:47:43.719
through

2600
01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:47.095
response indicate that the housing

2601
01:47:47.119 --> 01:47:49.095
response work

2602
01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:51.336
sorry that's better through you mayor I

2603
01:47:51.360 --> 01:47:53.655
might just add to Christine's 

2604
01:47:53.679 --> 01:47:56.679
response and  indicate that um our

2605
01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:58.615
understanding is that through the

2606
01:47:58.639 --> 01:48:00.936
housing response worker  they would

2607
01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:03.256
coordinate pathways from rough sleeping

2608
01:48:03.280 --> 01:48:05.175
into housing. Working closely with

2609
01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:08.199
council's portfolive

2610
01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:19.095
support during the critical early weeks

2611
01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:21.416
of a teny including service

2612
01:48:21.440 --> 01:48:23.816
coordination, household establishment

2613
01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:25.736
and early intervention where issues

2614
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:28.135
arise.  and that reflects the key

2615
01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:30.536
elements of the Madden House model for

2616
01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:33.560
adapted um dispersed  housing. And so

2617
01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:36.936
 the model is intended to complement

2618
01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:39.095
existing council funded specialist

2619
01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:41.655
services um which includes better health

2620
01:48:41.679 --> 01:48:44.679
network  nuala willong um and launch

2621
01:48:46.639 --> 01:48:49.496
housing activities.

2622
01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:52.520
Any further questions?

2623
01:48:55.040 --> 01:48:56.536
I was going to ask a question, but then

2624
01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:57.095
you can.

2625
01:48:57.119 --> 01:48:58.615
Yeah, that's all right.

2626
01:48:58.639 --> 01:49:01.175
, just wanted to sort of reaffirm or I

2627
01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:03.336
guess clarify given obviously this

2628
01:49:03.360 --> 01:49:05.576
report's before us tonight, but  just

2629
01:49:05.600 --> 01:49:08.135
to outline St Kilda Community Housing

2630
01:49:08.159 --> 01:49:10.135
Group has obviously spoken to council in

2631
01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:12.135
coming up with this alternative. They've

2632
01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:14.135
obviously attempted in their advocacy

2633
01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:15.816
and have come up with this as a suitable

2634
01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:17.896
alternative and also to reaffirm that

2635
01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:19.416
counselors have been briefed on this

2636
01:49:19.440 --> 01:49:22.440
too.  through you may  yes  they

2637
01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:25.896
they have St. Kilda Community Housing 

2638
01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:28.536
came and briefed  councilors on their

2639
01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:31.016
proposal a few weeks ago  now and

2640
01:49:31.040 --> 01:49:33.976
council had an opportunity to  explore

2641
01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:36.135
that in the information before you

2642
01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:39.095
tonight.  St Kilda Community Housing

2643
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:41.816
um have undertaken extensive advocacy

2644
01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:44.615
activities.  unfortunately the

2645
01:49:44.639 --> 01:49:46.856
proposal that had previously been put

2646
01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:49.880
forward  wasn't able to secure 

2647
01:49:50.080 --> 01:49:52.456
support from other partners  the

2648
01:49:52.480 --> 01:49:54.856
proposal before you tonight is a council

2649
01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:57.655
funded um support option

2650
01:49:57.679 --> 01:49:58.296
and also

2651
01:49:58.320 --> 01:50:00.936
within existing within existing funding

2652
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:02.856
and also I understand that sort of

2653
01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:04.856
community housing group has had numerous

2654
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:06.536
discussions with council officers around

2655
01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:08.695
working up this proposal too. Yes. 

2656
01:50:08.719 --> 01:50:11.016
through through you mayor. Yes. 

2657
01:50:11.040 --> 01:50:12.296
they've spoken with our community

2658
01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:13.896
building and inclusion team.

2659
01:50:13.920 --> 01:50:16.135
Fantastic. I just wanted to work through

2660
01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:17.896
the process so people realize how we've

2661
01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:19.576
gotten to here this evening. Now I had a

2662
01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:21.256
mover in councelor Halliday.

2663
01:50:21.280 --> 01:50:21.976
One question.

2664
01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:23.816
Sorry. My apologies council.

2665
01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:26.776
Just to clarify though this by us should

2666
01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:29.175
we move this tonight and and commit the

2667
01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:31.256
money to this very worthy cause. It

2668
01:50:31.280 --> 01:50:33.736
doesn't preclude sin housing for for

2669
01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:35.095
applying for other grants or anything

2670
01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:38.119
like it's just a one leverage moment in

2671
01:50:38.320 --> 01:50:40.376
order to leverage other outcomes. Can I

2672
01:50:40.400 --> 01:50:41.736
just clarify that's correct

2673
01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:43.976
through through you mayor? Yes, that's

2674
01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:46.536
 correct. And Stud Community Housing

2675
01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:48.456
 we know and and they also shared at

2676
01:50:48.480 --> 01:50:50.936
the council briefing how active they are

2677
01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:53.736
in um trying to secure funding from a

2678
01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:56.056
whole range of sources.

2679
01:50:56.080 --> 01:50:57.816
Excellent. Now we have a mover in

2680
01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:00.215
councelor Halliday, a seconder in

2681
01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:02.215
councelor Crawford.

2682
01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:05.239
Mover may speak.

2683
01:51:06.320 --> 01:51:09.320
Um, once again, I'd like to thank Andrew

2684
01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:12.456
um for representing Soda Community

2685
01:51:12.480 --> 01:51:15.416
Housing here tonight um and representing

2686
01:51:15.440 --> 01:51:18.440
 so well the work of your organization

2687
01:51:19.679 --> 01:51:22.376
in um housing

2688
01:51:22.400 --> 01:51:25.400
um our

2689
01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:29.159
um most marginalized community members

2690
01:51:29.440 --> 01:51:32.376
um with incredibly complex needs. We've

2691
01:51:32.400 --> 01:51:35.400
seen  since the launch of Madden House

2692
01:51:35.440 --> 01:51:38.440
last year, you know, a a huge impact um

2693
01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.856
that that has had on rough sleeping.

2694
01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:44.536
Unfortunately, you know, it had that

2695
01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:46.776
momentary impact, but these are not

2696
01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:49.800
problems that are easily solved. Um, so

2697
01:51:50.480 --> 01:51:52.215
as well as commending you all for your

2698
01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:55.239
work, um, I'm happy here to invest more

2699
01:51:56.239 --> 01:51:59.239
in your work that will hopefully see

2700
01:51:59.280 --> 01:52:02.135
more rough sleepers um, safely and

2701
01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:05.159
securely housed and lead to um,

2702
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:09.655
improved amenity on our streets and

2703
01:52:09.679 --> 01:52:12.679
improved um, safety, security, longevity

2704
01:52:13.040 --> 01:52:16.040
and health for those um, and secure

2705
01:52:16.080 --> 01:52:18.695
housing for those rough sleepers. So I

2706
01:52:18.719 --> 01:52:21.719
am um proud to be able to move this

2707
01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:24.936
tonight  and to support it.

2708
01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:26.615
Thank you. Moved councelor Halliday

2709
01:52:26.639 --> 01:52:28.296
the second may wish to speak.

2710
01:52:28.320 --> 01:52:30.536
Yes. Um I was very excited to hear that

2711
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:32.215
obviously people have found a home and

2712
01:52:32.239 --> 01:52:35.239
and it's going well. That um heartens me

2713
01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:39.239
greatly and and I'm very happy to

2714
01:52:39.280 --> 01:52:41.095
support this in in the opportunity to

2715
01:52:41.119 --> 01:52:43.655
give more people permanent homes where

2716
01:52:43.679 --> 01:52:45.976
they can actually, you know, feel safe

2717
01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:48.456
and secure. And I do know that within

2718
01:52:48.480 --> 01:52:50.615
all the divisive debates we had around

2719
01:52:50.639 --> 01:52:53.639
local law changes, the whole community

2720
01:52:54.080 --> 01:52:57.080
reiterated that they wanted extra

2721
01:52:57.520 --> 01:52:59.575
support for people sleeping rough for

2722
01:52:59.599 --> 01:53:01.496
for housing to be provided to be some

2723
01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:04.376
level of support. So our community um

2724
01:53:04.400 --> 01:53:07.095
told us that loudly and clearly. So I'm

2725
01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:10.056
very happy to hear our community and

2726
01:53:10.080 --> 01:53:11.736
say, you know, here's some more work.

2727
01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:13.095
Please, you know, continue the great

2728
01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:15.736
work that you and your colleagues do in

2729
01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:18.456
this space. Thank you.

2730
01:53:18.480 --> 01:53:19.896
Thank you, councelor Crawford. The

2731
01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:22.776
secondary is open is  seconded. Any

2732
01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:25.416
other councilors wish to speak?

2733
01:53:25.440 --> 01:53:28.440
Councelor Jay.

2734
01:53:29.040 --> 01:53:31.736
Um I have a lot to say and I better

2735
01:53:31.760 --> 01:53:33.416
choose my words carefully because I'm a

2736
01:53:33.440 --> 01:53:35.896
bit passionate and emotional right now.

2737
01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:36.856
Three minutes.

2738
01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:39.880
Three minutes. I'll give you two.

2739
01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:42.856
Um, homelessness is a really important

2740
01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:45.575
topic for our entire community and I

2741
01:53:45.599 --> 01:53:48.135
think we all understand that this seems

2742
01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:50.536
like a lot of money but and and you will

2743
01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:53.560
stretch it. Um, but you need a lot more

2744
01:53:54.480 --> 01:53:56.376
and it's really disappointing to hear

2745
01:53:56.400 --> 01:53:58.695
that no one else could support us in

2746
01:53:58.719 --> 01:54:00.615
this not state or federal. It's very

2747
01:54:00.639 --> 01:54:03.639
clear since we approved this um funding

2748
01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:06.215
that you have gone over and above. There

2749
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:08.615
was 17 on record, but I believe over 20

2750
01:54:08.639 --> 01:54:11.016
off record. Um, and it's really

2751
01:54:11.040 --> 01:54:12.456
disappointing that even with a special

2752
01:54:12.480 --> 01:54:14.056
envoy for homelessness, we couldn't

2753
01:54:14.080 --> 01:54:15.976
secure any federal funding, which I

2754
01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:18.296
think is what we really need. We need

2755
01:54:18.320 --> 01:54:21.320
federal and state to jump on board. Um,

2756
01:54:21.679 --> 01:54:24.376
I can't pull this funding from you. It

2757
01:54:24.400 --> 01:54:26.215
would just break my heart. I will

2758
01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:29.239
absolutely support this. Um, , with a

2759
01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:31.496
caveat that I'm really disappointed that

2760
01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:33.816
no one could match our our money. I

2761
01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:35.416
think there's a lot of expectations on

2762
01:54:35.440 --> 01:54:37.655
council to help the community, whether

2763
01:54:37.679 --> 01:54:40.679
it be things like PCYC or housing. Um

2764
01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:43.736
yet I'm really struggling to see the

2765
01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:46.376
other government departments um lift

2766
01:54:46.400 --> 01:54:49.016
their weight. So I will be very focused

2767
01:54:49.040 --> 01:54:51.816
on seeing how we can work with other um

2768
01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:54.840
departments to help us in housing. I

2769
01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:56.856
absolutely believe the system is

2770
01:54:56.880 --> 01:54:59.336
fundamentally broken. What we are doing

2771
01:54:59.360 --> 01:55:01.496
now is trying to patch broken windows in

2772
01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:04.376
our own community. And it's okay for a

2773
01:55:04.400 --> 01:55:06.215
few months, it's okay for a year, but it

2774
01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:09.175
is not a good long-term strategy for our

2775
01:55:09.199 --> 01:55:11.736
residents, our street residents, our

2776
01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:13.896
local residents, and certainly not our

2777
01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:15.736
organizations and the staff that deal in

2778
01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:18.536
a brutal, brutal environment of having

2779
01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:21.496
to deal with our most vulnerable um

2780
01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:23.655
people and have to tell them that there

2781
01:55:23.679 --> 01:55:26.679
is nowhere for them to sleep safely. So

2782
01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:31.560
um I will absolutely support this but it

2783
01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:33.816
is through gritted teeth. Not that I

2784
01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:35.976
don't want to support it but I really

2785
01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:37.976
would have liked to see a partnership

2786
01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:40.056
and some integration between the

2787
01:55:40.080 --> 01:55:42.615
government levels. Um the other issue

2788
01:55:42.639 --> 01:55:44.615
with housing is they don't give funding

2789
01:55:44.639 --> 01:55:47.639
to support existing buildings. So all

2790
01:55:48.400 --> 01:55:50.215
the streaming that is coming from the

2791
01:55:50.239 --> 01:55:53.175
government for housing does not allow

2792
01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:56.199
our organizations to renovate, replace

2793
01:55:57.040 --> 01:55:59.496
or fix places which puts a massive

2794
01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.056
pressure on them and a massive pressure

2795
01:56:02.080 --> 01:56:05.080
on us as a community. Um please reach

2796
01:56:05.280 --> 01:56:07.336
out any way we can help especially with

2797
01:56:07.360 --> 01:56:10.360
advocacy. Um but I will support this

2798
01:56:11.360 --> 01:56:13.736
absolutely will.

2799
01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:15.416
Thank you councelor Jay. Any other

2800
01:56:15.440 --> 01:56:18.440
councilors wish to speak to this item?

2801
01:56:19.520 --> 01:56:22.520
Councelor Bucky.

2802
01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:27.416
I'd like to thank S Kilda Community

2803
01:56:27.440 --> 01:56:30.440
Housing for providing us with um a very

2804
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:33.800
compelling proposal and I think given

2805
01:56:35.280 --> 01:56:37.816
the current  situation here in City of

2806
01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:40.840
Port Phillip um the agility and the the

2807
01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:45.000
flexibility to actually um use this time

2808
01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:48.695
limited funding in as a most effective

2809
01:56:48.719 --> 01:56:51.719
way now as possible um is where the

2810
01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:53.896
power of the proposal lies because we

2811
01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:56.920
know that for people um that are

2812
01:56:56.960 --> 01:56:59.960
sleeping rough, the causes of their um

2813
01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:02.936
housing situation are complex and the

2814
01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.496
proposal as I've understood it goes to

2815
01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:07.736
that complexity and supports them not

2816
01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:10.215
only to find a home but to stay in that

2817
01:57:10.239 --> 01:57:13.239
home and to um from there move to a

2818
01:57:13.679 --> 01:57:15.655
better place in their life. So the

2819
01:57:15.679 --> 01:57:18.615
proposal is very very compelling and I

2820
01:57:18.639 --> 01:57:21.639
know that  you're working on new

2821
01:57:22.080 --> 01:57:24.215
models of supported accommodation and I

2822
01:57:24.239 --> 01:57:25.896
know that those conversations are

2823
01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:28.920
ongoing and while the original proposal

2824
01:57:29.040 --> 01:57:31.976
as compelling as it is hasn't aligned

2825
01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:35.000
yet I know that your ongoing work um is

2826
01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:38.936
being wellreceived and that to um

2827
01:57:38.960 --> 01:57:40.615
achieve something like Madden House

2828
01:57:40.639 --> 01:57:43.639
takes time and um

2829
01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:48.440
  takes investment in a range of

2830
01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:50.695
different partnerships and while the

2831
01:57:50.719 --> 01:57:51.976
original proposal has not been

2832
01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:55.000
successful now I am sure that um St

2833
01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:56.856
Kilda Community Housing with your

2834
01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.880
leadership and um with the city of Port

2835
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.800
Phillips support will go on to create

2836
01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:07.000
more more housing and I'm pleased to see

2837
01:58:07.440 --> 01:58:09.976
that this is going to be creating um

2838
01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:12.296
more outreach work and more tenency

2839
01:58:12.320 --> 01:58:14.776
support for the people that are in very

2840
01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:17.800
tenuous situations right now. So I am

2841
01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:20.135
very pleased to support the proposal.

2842
01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:21.976
Thank you councelor Buckingham. Any

2843
01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:24.456
other councilors wish to speak to the

2844
01:58:24.480 --> 01:58:27.480
item?

2845
01:58:29.599 --> 01:58:32.599
I might add a few words.

2846
01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:37.175
I really appreciate how Skilda Community

2847
01:58:37.199 --> 01:58:39.496
Housing Group has been upfront in the

2848
01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:41.416
advocacy efforts it had tried. It

2849
01:58:41.440 --> 01:58:43.976
notified council when it felt that

2850
01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:45.976
wasn't going to be successful and came

2851
01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:48.456
forward with an alternate plan and that

2852
01:58:48.480 --> 01:58:51.480
forward planning forward discussion

2853
01:58:51.679 --> 01:58:53.976
has enabled Sila Community Housing Group

2854
01:58:54.000 --> 01:58:56.376
with council to look at an alternate

2855
01:58:56.400 --> 01:58:59.016
model. So I really applaud the

2856
01:58:59.040 --> 01:59:00.776
discussions, the conversations of

2857
01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:02.536
planning that went in. I think it's fair

2858
01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:05.016
to say that  we all favor a

2859
01:59:05.040 --> 01:59:06.695
partnership approach. It's always

2860
01:59:06.719 --> 01:59:08.135
disappointing when you advocate for

2861
01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:09.976
something and that funding doesn't come

2862
01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:11.816
through from wherever the sources might

2863
01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:13.816
be. But it's really encouraging that

2864
01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:15.496
there's been that upfront dialogue, that

2865
01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:17.416
upfront discussion, and that upfront

2866
01:59:17.440 --> 01:59:20.296
consideration of what is plan B. And

2867
01:59:20.320 --> 01:59:22.376
plan B isn't the rushed item. It is

2868
01:59:22.400 --> 01:59:24.456
actually a fully considered proposal

2869
01:59:24.480 --> 01:59:27.416
before us that we've been able to

2870
01:59:27.440 --> 01:59:29.575
debate, discuss, and now bring forward

2871
01:59:29.599 --> 01:59:31.256
into the chamber. So, I really applaud

2872
01:59:31.280 --> 01:59:33.655
the the efforts of Soda Community

2873
01:59:33.679 --> 01:59:36.296
Housing Group. It's never easy to go

2874
01:59:36.320 --> 01:59:38.615
back and go what can we do instead and

2875
01:59:38.639 --> 01:59:40.936
how can we make sure that we deliver the

2876
01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:43.960
impact that we're aiming to deliver and

2877
01:59:44.480 --> 01:59:46.615
to have that discussion

2878
01:59:46.639 --> 01:59:48.456
flesomely and to have that discussion

2879
01:59:48.480 --> 01:59:50.936
comprehensively is a real testament to

2880
01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:53.016
the leadership of Sila Community Housing

2881
01:59:53.040 --> 01:59:55.655
Group. So, thank you to St. Kilda

2882
01:59:55.679 --> 01:59:56.856
Community Housing Group for your

2883
01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:59.496
dedication to our community for your um

2884
01:59:59.520 --> 02:00:01.095
respect for the partnership between

2885
02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:03.976
council and as an organization as well

2886
02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:06.215
because you know what that shows in that

2887
02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:08.296
comprehensive conversation is respect

2888
02:00:08.320 --> 02:00:10.215
for the partnership, respect for the

2889
02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:11.896
support that we're offering and an

2890
02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:14.376
upfront dialogue on if we don't get plan

2891
02:00:14.400 --> 02:00:16.536
A, how do we make sure plan B still has

2892
02:00:16.560 --> 02:00:19.336
an impact. fully endorse this motion and

2893
02:00:19.360 --> 02:00:21.416
also the work that went into it at both

2894
02:00:21.440 --> 02:00:22.936
Sunkilda Community Housing Group and

2895
02:00:22.960 --> 02:00:25.416
also I know the hours and time that

2896
02:00:25.440 --> 02:00:27.256
council officers have spent working

2897
02:00:27.280 --> 02:00:29.575
through the detail as well and us as

2898
02:00:29.599 --> 02:00:31.095
councilors when we were briefed on this

2899
02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:33.336
too. Fully support the motion and I'll

2900
02:00:33.360 --> 02:00:36.360
hand back to the mover to close.

2901
02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:41.159
It's unlike you.  the motion is being

2902
02:00:41.760 --> 02:00:44.760
put. So therefore, all those in favor,

2903
02:00:46.159 --> 02:00:49.159
that motion is carried unanimously.

2904
02:00:49.679 --> 02:00:50.536
Thank you very much.

2905
02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:53.560
Congratulations.

2906
02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:02.920
On to item 8.3, the accessibility action

2907
02:01:03.199 --> 02:01:06.199
plan for 2026 to 2030 for endorsement.

2908
02:01:07.679 --> 02:01:10.679
Questions for officers. Councelor Jay,

2909
02:01:11.440 --> 02:01:13.256
I'll just permanently leave my hand up

2910
02:01:13.280 --> 02:01:15.816
for questions now. Um I do have a

2911
02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:18.840
question for officers. I've had um

2912
02:01:20.239 --> 02:01:22.135
some curiosities from the residents

2913
02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:24.456
about what initiatives does council

2914
02:01:24.480 --> 02:01:27.336
currently have in place to support the

2915
02:01:27.360 --> 02:01:29.256
employment

2916
02:01:29.280 --> 02:01:32.280
um  to  to support being an employer

2917
02:01:33.199 --> 02:01:35.575
of choice for people with a disability.

2918
02:01:35.599 --> 02:01:38.456
And how will this access action plan

2919
02:01:38.480 --> 02:01:41.480
build on the strengths of these efforts?

2920
02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:44.536
And I'm looking for a bit of action in

2921
02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:46.936
the plan. That's what I'm looking for.

2922
02:01:46.960 --> 02:01:48.936
Through you, mayor. , thank you for

2923
02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:51.256
the question, Councelor Jay. Councelor

2924
02:01:51.280 --> 02:01:53.416
has a range of initiatives in place to

2925
02:01:53.440 --> 02:01:55.256
support its position as an employer of

2926
02:01:55.280 --> 02:01:57.816
choice for people with disability across

2927
02:01:57.840 --> 02:02:00.296
both recruitment and retention. To

2928
02:02:00.320 --> 02:02:02.536
attract more people with a disability to

2929
02:02:02.560 --> 02:02:04.936
work  at council, we are exploring a

2930
02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:06.615
partnership with a local disability

2931
02:02:06.639 --> 02:02:09.256
service agency to build pathways into

2932
02:02:09.280 --> 02:02:12.280
library and office-based roles. Our

2933
02:02:12.320 --> 02:02:14.536
existing recruitment practices include

2934
02:02:14.560 --> 02:02:16.615
clear contact details to support

2935
02:02:16.639 --> 02:02:19.575
candidates seeking process adjustments,

2936
02:02:19.599 --> 02:02:21.736
accessibility review tools for hiring

2937
02:02:21.760 --> 02:02:23.896
managers, and mandatory training to

2938
02:02:23.920 --> 02:02:26.920
embed inclusive practices. To support

2939
02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:28.615
retention, we have a workplace

2940
02:02:28.639 --> 02:02:30.615
adjustment approach supported by a

2941
02:02:30.639 --> 02:02:33.416
formal procedure which provides tailored

2942
02:02:33.440 --> 02:02:36.056
support for employees. This is

2943
02:02:36.080 --> 02:02:38.056
complemented by people leader training

2944
02:02:38.080 --> 02:02:40.056
sessions to build capability and

2945
02:02:40.080 --> 02:02:42.936
confidence in implementing adjustments.

2946
02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:45.655
We also continue to enhance accessible

2947
02:02:45.679 --> 02:02:48.376
workplace facilities, promote inclusive

2948
02:02:48.400 --> 02:02:50.615
resources and learning opportunities and

2949
02:02:50.639 --> 02:02:52.376
embed inclusive leadership through

2950
02:02:52.400 --> 02:02:55.256
mandatory training. Moving forward

2951
02:02:55.280 --> 02:02:57.016
through the accessibility action plan,

2952
02:02:57.040 --> 02:02:59.016
we intend, if council adopts it, to

2953
02:02:59.040 --> 02:03:01.655
build on our progresses by formalizing

2954
02:03:01.679 --> 02:03:03.736
partnerships with disability employment

2955
02:03:03.760 --> 02:03:06.056
providers, further expanding accessible

2956
02:03:06.080 --> 02:03:08.615
recruitment practices, and continuing to

2957
02:03:08.639 --> 02:03:11.095
strengthen staff and leader capability.

2958
02:03:11.119 --> 02:03:12.936
, for example, we'll shortly be

2959
02:03:12.960 --> 02:03:15.256
introducing neurodeiversity awareness

2960
02:03:15.280 --> 02:03:17.256
training sessions.

2961
02:03:17.280 --> 02:03:19.496
 council remains committed to embedded

2962
02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:21.736
inclusive practices, providing tailored

2963
02:03:21.760 --> 02:03:23.655
support, and continuously improving

2964
02:03:23.679 --> 02:03:26.135
accessibility and capability across the

2965
02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:28.135
organization.

2966
02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:29.976
 thank you, Kylie. And I just want to

2967
02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:31.896
mention that at the citizenship ceremony

2968
02:03:31.920 --> 02:03:34.856
yesterday, we had a sign language um

2969
02:03:34.880 --> 02:03:37.175
expert doing the sign. We had a few new

2970
02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:40.056
Australians that had hearing  

2971
02:03:40.080 --> 02:03:41.736
difficulties or impairments, and that

2972
02:03:41.760 --> 02:03:43.175
was really wonderful to see that

2973
02:03:43.199 --> 02:03:45.976
provided for our community. So, thank

2974
02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:47.016
you for that update.

2975
02:03:47.040 --> 02:03:48.376
So, maybe to frame that as a question,

2976
02:03:48.400 --> 02:03:49.976
are those the sort of initiatives that

2977
02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:53.000
we might look at through this plan

2978
02:03:55.280 --> 02:03:57.655
through you may? Um, so there are

2979
02:03:57.679 --> 02:04:00.456
initiatives in  the action plan that

2980
02:04:00.480 --> 02:04:03.480
look at um I guess a range of council

2981
02:04:03.679 --> 02:04:06.679
supports that um  support navigation

2982
02:04:06.719 --> 02:04:08.615
and being able to better participate and

2983
02:04:08.639 --> 02:04:10.776
access services. Um, one of the ones

2984
02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:12.456
that was documented as a recent addition

2985
02:04:12.480 --> 02:04:15.480
was around these meetings and how do we

2986
02:04:15.679 --> 02:04:18.679
ensure that the  um  the

2987
02:04:19.199 --> 02:04:20.776
accessibility of these meetings is

2988
02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:22.215
available to all community members to

2989
02:04:22.239 --> 02:04:24.056
participate and how do we strengthen

2990
02:04:24.080 --> 02:04:25.896
that with the the resources we have in

2991
02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:27.816
place but also the promotion of that so

2992
02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:30.056
we increase participation

2993
02:04:30.080 --> 02:04:33.080
through through you may  and examples

2994
02:04:33.280 --> 02:04:35.816
like you've just shared  councelor Jay

2995
02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:37.896
through the citizenship ceremony and at

2996
02:04:37.920 --> 02:04:40.776
the  opening night of the  St Kilda

2997
02:04:40.800 --> 02:04:42.615
Film Festival. There was also closed

2998
02:04:42.639 --> 02:04:44.776
captioning  there as well. So, we're

2999
02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:47.175
we're actively looking  at it as much

3000
02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:48.296
as possible.

3001
02:04:48.320 --> 02:04:49.816
Further question, councelor Joe,

3002
02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:51.175
just one more question because you

3003
02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:53.256
inspired me to ask it. So, I'm sorry if

3004
02:04:53.280 --> 02:04:55.336
it's in there or I haven't missed it. Um

3005
02:04:55.360 --> 02:04:57.655
are we also looking at making our social

3006
02:04:57.679 --> 02:04:59.816
media closed caption to deal with people

3007
02:04:59.840 --> 02:05:01.736
that have hearing impairments so they

3008
02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:04.536
can connect?  we may do it already,

3009
02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:07.560
but I would just that would be cool.

3010
02:05:09.440 --> 02:05:11.655
James Gullen.  through you, mayor, and

3011
02:05:11.679 --> 02:05:13.256
thank you for the question, Councelor J.

3012
02:05:13.280 --> 02:05:15.016
We're actively looking at some of our

3013
02:05:15.040 --> 02:05:16.856
accessibility considerations, not just

3014
02:05:16.880 --> 02:05:19.175
in social media, but more broadly. So,

3015
02:05:19.199 --> 02:05:21.976
it's closed captioning for um videos,

3016
02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:24.536
but also capt captioning around images

3017
02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:27.175
and other um other areas. It's something

3018
02:05:27.199 --> 02:05:29.896
that's under review at the moment.

3019
02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:32.856
Stole my question, James.

3020
02:05:32.880 --> 02:05:33.976
Jay, further question.

3021
02:05:34.000 --> 02:05:35.896
Um I will frame this as a question as

3022
02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:38.536
the mayor says. Um, but are we also

3023
02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:41.560
considering using using visuals in our

3024
02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:44.376
 community engagement

3025
02:05:44.400 --> 02:05:46.776
to help with different learning

3026
02:05:46.800 --> 02:05:49.800
abilities and understandings?

3027
02:05:49.840 --> 02:05:51.816
Thank you. And through you, Mayor. So

3028
02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:53.976
we're looking we're doing a wide review

3029
02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:56.776
of all of our um  the communications

3030
02:05:56.800 --> 02:05:59.800
plan both internally around resources to

3031
02:06:00.080 --> 02:06:02.376
staff so that um there's upskilling

3032
02:06:02.400 --> 02:06:04.056
about and understanding about the

3033
02:06:04.080 --> 02:06:07.080
different um tools resources and

3034
02:06:07.280 --> 02:06:09.256
standards that would support staff to

3035
02:06:09.280 --> 02:06:11.655
enable um accessible and inclusive

3036
02:06:11.679 --> 02:06:14.135
communication and I think beyond that

3037
02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:16.776
internal facing process then we'll take

3038
02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:18.615
that learning in a number of different

3039
02:06:18.639 --> 02:06:20.215
initiatives that are outward facing both

3040
02:06:20.239 --> 02:06:21.976
through the council website but more

3041
02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:24.776
broadly. So that working group between

3042
02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:27.016
 the communications team but also

3043
02:06:27.040 --> 02:06:29.175
community building inclusion has started

3044
02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:30.856
that piece of work and we would progress

3045
02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:33.880
that under the new action plan.

3046
02:06:35.040 --> 02:06:38.040
Any further questions?

3047
02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:43.336
No further questions. Councelor Jay, is

3048
02:06:43.360 --> 02:06:46.360
there a mover?

3049
02:06:47.280 --> 02:06:49.416
Move. Councelor J. Seconded. Councelor

3050
02:06:49.440 --> 02:06:52.440
Halliday,

3051
02:06:52.880 --> 02:06:54.856
you don't wish to open the debate as

3052
02:06:54.880 --> 02:06:57.336
mover. No. Does the second wish to

3053
02:06:57.360 --> 02:07:00.360
speak?  yeah, I do. Um I think 

3054
02:07:04.480 --> 02:07:07.016
accessibility

3055
02:07:07.040 --> 02:07:08.695


3056
02:07:08.719 --> 02:07:10.856
is important but also it benefits

3057
02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:13.880
everyone. um accessible buildings,

3058
02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:17.095
accessible 

3059
02:07:17.119 --> 02:07:19.496
  materials, accessible videos,

3060
02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:22.296
accessible audio, accessible um

3061
02:07:22.320 --> 02:07:24.376
citizenship ceremonies, accessible

3062
02:07:24.400 --> 02:07:27.400
festivals.  this impacts everyone

3063
02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:32.776
including people who have disabilities,

3064
02:07:32.800 --> 02:07:34.296
including people who have hidden

3065
02:07:34.320 --> 02:07:37.320
disabilities or um other differences

3066
02:07:37.599 --> 02:07:40.599
that that would otherwise um make them

3067
02:07:41.040 --> 02:07:44.040
unable to engage  with community life.

3068
02:07:44.159 --> 02:07:47.159
So everything um here that we can do to

3069
02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:50.920
 remove those barriers um you know

3070
02:07:51.040 --> 02:07:54.040
invisible or visible or you know um

3071
02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:57.256
things that we don't even think about 

3072
02:07:57.280 --> 02:07:58.936
you know through our buildings through

3073
02:07:58.960 --> 02:08:00.695
our design through just our materials

3074
02:08:00.719 --> 02:08:03.256
that we distribute through things like

3075
02:08:03.280 --> 02:08:05.175
language differences and other things.

3076
02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:07.575
um benefits our wider community and

3077
02:08:07.599 --> 02:08:10.215
benefits um those members who would

3078
02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:13.175
otherwise be disengaged from community

3079
02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:16.199
life. Um I'd also like to thank as well

3080
02:08:16.480 --> 02:08:19.416
the officers um for their revisions

3081
02:08:19.440 --> 02:08:21.416
here.  I think you know I'm passionate

3082
02:08:21.440 --> 02:08:24.440
about footpaths um and the accessibility

3083
02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:27.880
that they afford people who cannot drive

3084
02:08:28.719 --> 02:08:31.719
um who are older or younger and use um

3085
02:08:32.639 --> 02:08:35.095
you know that piece of kind of um

3086
02:08:35.119 --> 02:08:37.016
infrastructure that we all rely on in

3087
02:08:37.040 --> 02:08:40.040
our day. Um and I appreciate the um the

3088
02:08:40.719 --> 02:08:42.695
changes in here that will integrate our

3089
02:08:42.719 --> 02:08:45.719
footpath  renewal program into  you

3090
02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:48.776
know our accessibility plans and put an

3091
02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:51.416
accessibility accessibility lens over

3092
02:08:51.440 --> 02:08:53.976
those plans. Um, so I'm happy to support

3093
02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:55.256
this.

3094
02:08:55.280 --> 02:08:56.695
Thank you, Councelor Halliday. Any

3095
02:08:56.719 --> 02:08:58.615
other councilors wish to speak to the

3096
02:08:58.639 --> 02:09:00.856
item?

3097
02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:01.896
Councelor Crawford,

3098
02:09:01.920 --> 02:09:03.736
I'll just be really brief. I think the

3099
02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:06.760
reality is um that most of us in our

3100
02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:09.175
life will experience a level of

3101
02:09:09.199 --> 02:09:11.736
disability. It's to the the scale or the

3102
02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:13.976
degree or if it's not ourselves, it'll

3103
02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:17.000
be someone near and dear to us. So the

3104
02:09:17.599 --> 02:09:20.599
more we can do um in terms of thinking a

3105
02:09:20.960 --> 02:09:22.776
thinking ahead, planning, doing those

3106
02:09:22.800 --> 02:09:24.456
things because at some point it is going

3107
02:09:24.480 --> 02:09:26.695
to benefit not just not just for all but

3108
02:09:26.719 --> 02:09:29.095
and and I speak now and I thank you for

3109
02:09:29.119 --> 02:09:32.119
the adjustment to the to the thing um

3110
02:09:32.159 --> 02:09:34.376
which I now have hearing aids so my

3111
02:09:34.400 --> 02:09:36.695
hearing has been severely impacted in

3112
02:09:36.719 --> 02:09:38.536
the last few years and I actually

3113
02:09:38.560 --> 02:09:40.376
struggle at times. So, I really

3114
02:09:40.400 --> 02:09:42.776
appreciate the extra amendment to

3115
02:09:42.800 --> 02:09:45.800
include making sound as something an

3116
02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:47.896
accessible something that we often don't

3117
02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.776
think about. Um, and particularly in

3118
02:09:50.800 --> 02:09:53.016
rooms like this that don't have the best

3119
02:09:53.040 --> 02:09:56.040
acoustics. Um, and and even, you know,

3120
02:09:57.280 --> 02:09:58.776
and but all those little things that you

3121
02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:00.615
don't think about until it impacts you

3122
02:10:00.639 --> 02:10:02.456
is the kind of work that we want to do

3123
02:10:02.480 --> 02:10:04.055
from this strategy. And there's lots of

3124
02:10:04.079 --> 02:10:06.856
great things. It's it's a current action

3125
02:10:06.880 --> 02:10:09.336
plan. Um, there will always be more to

3126
02:10:09.360 --> 02:10:12.215
do and I think it's it's on all of us to

3127
02:10:12.239 --> 02:10:14.296
keep looking and identifying where we

3128
02:10:14.320 --> 02:10:16.856
can make things easier because as I said

3129
02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:18.695
it's not a matter of if it's a matter of

3130
02:10:18.719 --> 02:10:21.016
when we're all experiencing us it

3131
02:10:21.040 --> 02:10:24.040
directly or close to us um and how it

3132
02:10:25.199 --> 02:10:26.456
can make their lives just that little

3133
02:10:26.480 --> 02:10:29.336
bit better. So I commend this.

3134
02:10:29.360 --> 02:10:31.175
Thank you councelor Crawford. Any other

3135
02:10:31.199 --> 02:10:34.199
counselors wish to speak to the item?

3136
02:10:36.480 --> 02:10:38.536
I am seeing no further indication of

3137
02:10:38.560 --> 02:10:40.536
speakers in which case to the mover to

3138
02:10:40.560 --> 02:10:42.135
close.

3139
02:10:42.159 --> 02:10:45.095
Um yes, councelor Halliday said

3140
02:10:45.119 --> 02:10:46.936
everything so beautifully and thank you

3141
02:10:46.960 --> 02:10:48.695
officers. This was a very passionate

3142
02:10:48.719 --> 02:10:51.256
project for everyone including the team.

3143
02:10:51.280 --> 02:10:53.336
Um and thank you for making this an

3144
02:10:53.360 --> 02:10:56.360
excellent in our opinion an an excellent

3145
02:10:56.880 --> 02:10:59.880
document. Um, I think with the creation

3146
02:11:00.560 --> 02:11:03.560
of our new advocacy group around, you

3147
02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:06.695
know, different abilities and this plan,

3148
02:11:06.719 --> 02:11:08.615
I really feel confident that City of

3149
02:11:08.639 --> 02:11:11.639
Port Phillip is really um integrating

3150
02:11:12.800 --> 02:11:15.256
our our diversity lens and our

3151
02:11:15.280 --> 02:11:18.280
inclusivity lens through all sections of

3152
02:11:18.320 --> 02:11:19.976
our community. It's not always easy to

3153
02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:21.416
make everyone happy, but we give it a

3154
02:11:21.440 --> 02:11:24.440
good go around here. So, um I completely

3155
02:11:25.360 --> 02:11:27.336
um support this and I look forward to

3156
02:11:27.360 --> 02:11:29.336
all sorts of things like extra beach

3157
02:11:29.360 --> 02:11:32.055
matting and lots of things for our

3158
02:11:32.079 --> 02:11:34.695
community.

3159
02:11:34.719 --> 02:11:35.256
Great work.

3160
02:11:35.280 --> 02:11:37.816
Thank you, Councelor Jay. And that the

3161
02:11:37.840 --> 02:11:39.575
debate is exhausted. So therefore, we

3162
02:11:39.599 --> 02:11:41.575
will put the motion to a vote. All those

3163
02:11:41.599 --> 02:11:43.256
in favor

3164
02:11:43.280 --> 02:11:46.215
that is carried uneinously.

3165
02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:47.976
Thank you.

3166
02:11:48.000 --> 02:11:49.336
And thank you councelor Jay for your

3167
02:11:49.360 --> 02:11:52.360
leadership on this too.

3168
02:11:53.679 --> 02:11:55.896
9.1 the foreshore management plan

3169
02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:57.575
adoption.

3170
02:11:57.599 --> 02:12:00.599
Any questions for officers?

3171
02:12:02.960 --> 02:12:05.960
No questions for officers.

3172
02:12:06.639 --> 02:12:09.639
There's a recommendation before us.

3173
02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:14.055
Yes. Are you Is that a question or are

3174
02:12:14.079 --> 02:12:15.496
you wishing to move? You're happy to

3175
02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:17.575
move.

3176
02:12:17.599 --> 02:12:18.296
No. No. You have

3177
02:12:18.320 --> 02:12:21.320
anyone to wants to move instead.

3178
02:12:25.440 --> 02:12:27.736
All right. , seconded. Councelor, do

3179
02:12:27.760 --> 02:12:29.496
you want to move?

3180
02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:32.055
All right. Moved. Councelor Cunsolo.

3181
02:12:32.079 --> 02:12:34.215
Seconded. Councelor.

3182
02:12:34.239 --> 02:12:36.376
Oh. Oh, we're seconding. , Crawford.

3183
02:12:36.400 --> 02:12:39.400
Councelor Crawford. All right. Are you

3184
02:12:40.719 --> 02:12:43.719
Yeah, I know.

3185
02:12:44.320 --> 02:12:45.816
Councelor Halliday is seated his

3186
02:12:45.840 --> 02:12:48.615
moving advantage. So, it becomes moved.

3187
02:12:48.639 --> 02:12:50.456
Councelor Cunsolo seconded. Councelor

3188
02:12:50.480 --> 02:12:53.480
Crawford does a move wish to speak

3189
02:12:53.840 --> 02:12:55.976
briefly. I do spend a lot of time at the

3190
02:12:56.000 --> 02:12:58.695
beach all throughout the year and it is

3191
02:12:58.719 --> 02:13:00.936
one of our best assets. We're so lucky

3192
02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:03.960
to have it. Um and we are obviously the

3193
02:13:04.480 --> 02:13:06.856
ones who need to look after it and that

3194
02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:09.095
has such a broad

3195
02:13:09.119 --> 02:13:12.119
 topic. So many items that fit into

3196
02:13:13.199 --> 02:13:15.256
our responsibilities from biodiversity

3197
02:13:15.280 --> 02:13:17.256
through to the water quality and the

3198
02:13:17.280 --> 02:13:18.615
sand management keeping sand on the

3199
02:13:18.639 --> 02:13:20.615
beach. We have so much that we're

3200
02:13:20.639 --> 02:13:22.776
responsible for. So I appreciate all the

3201
02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:24.536
departments that are have put into this

3202
02:13:24.560 --> 02:13:25.976
already and that will be doing the work

3203
02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:28.776
across the time. Thank you.

3204
02:13:28.800 --> 02:13:31.800
Thank you. Second councelor Crawford.

3205
02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:33.816
Um I think there's some really great

3206
02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:35.336
actions in here and and I love that

3207
02:13:35.360 --> 02:13:36.615
they're in the precincts. They're very

3208
02:13:36.639 --> 02:13:38.695
specific. It's not just a general across

3209
02:13:38.719 --> 02:13:41.336
there. It's it's focusing in on each

3210
02:13:41.360 --> 02:13:43.416
particular area. What I did want to

3211
02:13:43.440 --> 02:13:45.416
comment though mostly on is hearing from

3212
02:13:45.440 --> 02:13:47.016
the two people who were members of the

3213
02:13:47.040 --> 02:13:50.040
foreshore. um committee or advisory

3214
02:13:50.719 --> 02:13:52.055
group whatever they were formerly known

3215
02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:53.816
as. So thank you to officers for

3216
02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:55.736
obviously that was a really successful

3217
02:13:55.760 --> 02:13:58.055
and worthwhile experience for them to

3218
02:13:58.079 --> 02:13:59.736
want to come and speak to it. So I just

3219
02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:01.736
wanted to say thank you.

3220
02:14:01.760 --> 02:14:04.055
Thank you councelor Crawford. Any other

3221
02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:05.816
councilors wish to speak to the item?

3222
02:14:05.840 --> 02:14:08.215
Councelor Halliday, now's your time.

3223
02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:11.239
 thank you  movers and seconders. 

3224
02:14:11.360 --> 02:14:14.215
I had the privilege of joining the um

3225
02:14:14.239 --> 02:14:16.695
the foreshore advisory group in a few of

3226
02:14:16.719 --> 02:14:19.416
their outings. um looking at the at the

3227
02:14:19.440 --> 02:14:21.896
coast and um discussing  the issues

3228
02:14:21.920 --> 02:14:24.920
there. And in in this case, this was um

3229
02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:27.575
my understanding is more of a you know a

3230
02:14:27.599 --> 02:14:30.376
values-based activity. Later on, we get

3231
02:14:30.400 --> 02:14:33.400
into um some of the  more difficult

3232
02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:36.615
adaptation kind of sides of things. 

3233
02:14:36.639 --> 02:14:39.095
but this is important foundational work

3234
02:14:39.119 --> 02:14:42.119
to  look at our coasts and how we're

3235
02:14:43.280 --> 02:14:46.280
going to manage them into the future. Um

3236
02:14:47.119 --> 02:14:49.575
but there's there's another shoe to drop

3237
02:14:49.599 --> 02:14:52.599
I feel on this one around those climate

3238
02:14:52.639 --> 02:14:55.639
impacts that we will have to manage 

3239
02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:59.000
 which are going to you know challenge

3240
02:14:59.119 --> 02:15:01.575
us over the next hundred years um and

3241
02:15:01.599 --> 02:15:03.496
will make many of the other things we do

3242
02:15:03.520 --> 02:15:05.655
look easy. So happy to get this work

3243
02:15:05.679 --> 02:15:08.679
done and eager to get um going with the

3244
02:15:08.719 --> 02:15:10.776
subsequent work around coastal

3245
02:15:10.800 --> 02:15:13.800
adaptation as well. Any other councilors

3246
02:15:14.639 --> 02:15:17.639
wish to speak?

3247
02:15:18.239 --> 02:15:21.239
, yep. In which case, no other

3248
02:15:21.280 --> 02:15:23.655
counselors, we may move to the close.

3249
02:15:23.679 --> 02:15:24.695
Councelor Cunsolo,

3250
02:15:24.719 --> 02:15:25.736
thank you. Just taking the opportunity

3251
02:15:25.760 --> 02:15:27.575
to add that yes, the advisory committee,

3252
02:15:27.599 --> 02:15:28.936
thank you for the dedicated time you

3253
02:15:28.960 --> 02:15:30.695
took to that. I also went along to one

3254
02:15:30.719 --> 02:15:32.376
of those and it was really great

3255
02:15:32.400 --> 02:15:35.400
engagement. Um, and , I really

3256
02:15:35.679 --> 02:15:36.936
appreciate everyone's time on that one,

3257
02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:39.960
too. , recently, I think it was on the

3258
02:15:40.079 --> 02:15:42.376
night of St. Killer Film Festival, the

3259
02:15:42.400 --> 02:15:44.936
ocean rose and it came up like all the

3260
02:15:44.960 --> 02:15:47.736
way to the concrete at Port Lizarium

3261
02:15:47.760 --> 02:15:49.336
Club and so many other places along our

3262
02:15:49.360 --> 02:15:52.360
beach. So yes, our climate mitigation is

3263
02:15:53.760 --> 02:15:56.695
here already that we are facing. Um it

3264
02:15:56.719 --> 02:15:59.719
just takes that special king tide wind

3265
02:16:01.040 --> 02:16:03.095
and a lot of rain before it that we're

3266
02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:05.655
already facing the challenges and so

3267
02:16:05.679 --> 02:16:07.416
that's all part of this and a lot of

3268
02:16:07.440 --> 02:16:10.440
work ahead of us. Thank you.

3269
02:16:11.040 --> 02:16:13.655
Thank you. The debate is now closed. All

3270
02:16:13.679 --> 02:16:15.816
those in favor,

3271
02:16:15.840 --> 02:16:18.840
that motion is carried unanimously.

3272
02:16:21.199 --> 02:16:23.336
And thank you to the officers obviously

3273
02:16:23.360 --> 02:16:25.976
all involved.

3274
02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:28.936
On to item 9.2, urban forest precinct

3275
02:16:28.960 --> 02:16:31.416
plan, S Kilda, Silda West, Alberta Park,

3276
02:16:31.440 --> 02:16:33.096
and Middle Park. Any questions for

3277
02:16:33.120 --> 02:16:36.120
officers?

3278
02:16:47.760 --> 02:16:50.455
the outbreak.

3279
02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:52.695
Any questions for officers on this item

3280
02:16:52.719 --> 02:16:55.719
before we go to someone that wishes to

3281
02:16:55.760 --> 02:16:58.056
move with amendments?

3282
02:16:58.080 --> 02:16:59.816
Is there a question council J? Yep.

3283
02:16:59.840 --> 02:17:01.256
Great.

3284
02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:04.136
Um, can we understand why these precinct

3285
02:17:04.160 --> 02:17:07.096
plans were done by individual areas,

3286
02:17:07.120 --> 02:17:09.256
suburbs, or groups of neighbors? Cuz

3287
02:17:09.280 --> 02:17:11.016
mine's not done yet, and I think I'm the

3288
02:17:11.040 --> 02:17:13.176
last one, which I'm excited. But, um,

3289
02:17:13.200 --> 02:17:16.200
can you just explain or speak to why it

3290
02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:19.399
wasn't a one-sizefits all on this? ,

3291
02:17:20.240 --> 02:17:22.535
through you, Mayor, um, by breaking them

3292
02:17:22.559 --> 02:17:25.559
down into smaller um, bite-sized pieces.

3293
02:17:26.000 --> 02:17:27.736
Basically, it meant that we could go

3294
02:17:27.760 --> 02:17:29.736
through the process quicker rather than

3295
02:17:29.760 --> 02:17:32.375
looking at the municipality as a whole.

3296
02:17:32.399 --> 02:17:35.399
Um, it just would have been a really

3297
02:17:35.519 --> 02:17:37.816
large project and and difficult to

3298
02:17:37.840 --> 02:17:40.840
really drill down into each area.

3299
02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:44.136
I'm waiting to councelor Joe for Paul

3300
02:17:44.160 --> 02:17:45.896
Melbourne. So, I empathize. I do

3301
02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:48.615
empathize. Any other questions for

3302
02:17:48.639 --> 02:17:51.639
officers?

3303
02:17:52.160 --> 02:17:54.695
in which case councelor Hardy go

3304
02:17:54.719 --> 02:17:55.736
councelor Halliday is there a

3305
02:17:55.760 --> 02:17:58.760
question

3306
02:17:59.760 --> 02:18:02.760
you may ask a question one of the um one

3307
02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:06.056
of the things that we're seeing in the

3308
02:18:06.080 --> 02:18:08.455
first kind of um of the precinct plans

3309
02:18:08.479 --> 02:18:11.479
and the street based um actions rolling

3310
02:18:12.080 --> 02:18:15.080
out is um the the impact of plane trees

3311
02:18:16.639 --> 02:18:19.639
on our streets we have I understand you

3312
02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:22.760
know a plane tree strategy your um

3313
02:18:23.679 --> 02:18:26.679
management plan coming up. When what's

3314
02:18:26.960 --> 02:18:29.960
the timeline on that?

3315
02:18:30.240 --> 02:18:32.856
 through you, mayor. Um the plain tree

3316
02:18:32.880 --> 02:18:35.880
management plan is um due to be um

3317
02:18:36.639 --> 02:18:39.639
adopted next financial year as in the

3318
02:18:40.399 --> 02:18:42.216
2627

3319
02:18:42.240 --> 02:18:45.240
financial year.

3320
02:18:45.280 --> 02:18:48.280
And just following up on that, um,

3321
02:18:48.960 --> 02:18:51.096
this is a this is a question without

3322
02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:54.120
notice. What percentage of our tree

3323
02:18:54.559 --> 02:18:57.559
canopy cover do you estimate is afforded

3324
02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:01.415
by plain trees?

3325
02:19:01.439 --> 02:19:03.096
Through you, mayor. I will need to take

3326
02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:05.415
that on notice. Um, can I also just

3327
02:19:05.439 --> 02:19:08.216
correct my last um, statement? The plane

3328
02:19:08.240 --> 02:19:11.240
tree management plan um is due to be

3329
02:19:12.800 --> 02:19:15.495
 de developed, delivered and adopted

3330
02:19:15.519 --> 02:19:17.976
over the next three years um with the

3331
02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:21.000
idea that um the planning  work and

3332
02:19:21.840 --> 02:19:23.976
the first stages will be next financial

3333
02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:27.000
year.

3334
02:19:29.040 --> 02:19:31.335
Any further questions? Thank you.

3335
02:19:31.359 --> 02:19:32.535
Councelor Hardy, you indicate

3336
02:19:32.559 --> 02:19:33.256
I have a question.

3337
02:19:33.280 --> 02:19:36.280
Oh, sorry, please. I I I have a

3338
02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:39.976
question. Thank you. Um and following on

3339
02:19:40.000 --> 02:19:43.000
from councelor Jay's question, 

3340
02:19:43.280 --> 02:19:45.816
Lakeside or St Kilda Road, I don't know,

3341
02:19:45.840 --> 02:19:48.776
not sure what we call it here, but um

3342
02:19:48.800 --> 02:19:51.576
when can we reasonably expect the urban

3343
02:19:51.600 --> 02:19:54.600
forest precinct plan for Lakeside and

3344
02:19:55.680 --> 02:19:58.680
also incorporated in that or emanating

3345
02:19:59.040 --> 02:20:01.656
from that a secular road of course is

3346
02:20:01.680 --> 02:20:04.680
filled with plain trees. So will that be

3347
02:20:05.920 --> 02:20:08.920
an influence within the urban forest

3348
02:20:08.960 --> 02:20:11.960
precinct plan? Thank you.

3349
02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:14.936
 through you may all of the next four

3350
02:20:14.960 --> 02:20:16.936
urban forest precinct plans will be done

3351
02:20:16.960 --> 02:20:18.536
before the end of the next financial

3352
02:20:18.560 --> 02:20:21.560
year. Um the next ones off  which we

3353
02:20:23.680 --> 02:20:26.680
are developing I believe are Lakeside in

3354
02:20:26.960 --> 02:20:29.960
South Melbourne um with Lwood. Oh, no,

3355
02:20:30.640 --> 02:20:33.640
sorry. It's Lakeside and um Montigue

3356
02:20:34.319 --> 02:20:37.319
area with Elwood and um South Melbourne

3357
02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:40.680
coming early next financial year early

3358
02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:43.736
 the drafts will be early next

3359
02:20:43.760 --> 02:20:46.136
calendar year.  and with regards to

3360
02:20:46.160 --> 02:20:49.160
the plain trees, um  the urban forest

3361
02:20:50.560 --> 02:20:53.560
precinct plans won't make significant

3362
02:20:53.760 --> 02:20:56.760
changes to plain tree management. that

3363
02:20:57.520 --> 02:20:58.696
will come through the plane tree

3364
02:20:58.720 --> 02:21:01.720
management plan.

3365
02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:03.496
Further questions, councelor Cunsolo,

3366
02:21:03.520 --> 02:21:04.536
not sure if this has been asked

3367
02:21:04.560 --> 02:21:06.856
previously, but in areas like St. Killer

3368
02:21:06.880 --> 02:21:09.880
Road where you have the DTP manage

3369
02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:13.576
middle and city Melbourne on the other

3370
02:21:13.600 --> 02:21:16.536
side, do we work with these strategies

3371
02:21:16.560 --> 02:21:19.560
in these um other stakeholders?

3372
02:21:19.760 --> 02:21:22.760
Yeah, through you, Mayor, we do um we

3373
02:21:22.880 --> 02:21:25.256
are as part of the urban forest precinct

3374
02:21:25.280 --> 02:21:28.280
plans, we do advocate to improve um

3375
02:21:28.800 --> 02:21:31.800
particular on DTP land. Um we haven't

3376
02:21:32.399 --> 02:21:34.616
yet had to do it with neighboring

3377
02:21:34.640 --> 02:21:35.976
councils, but we will work with

3378
02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:37.415
neighboring councils through that

3379
02:21:37.439 --> 02:21:40.295
process as well.

3380
02:21:40.319 --> 02:21:42.375
 Deputy May, is your hand still up?

3381
02:21:42.399 --> 02:21:45.399
Did you have a further question?

3382
02:21:46.720 --> 02:21:49.256
No. , I often forget to put my hand

3383
02:21:49.280 --> 02:21:51.976
down. , but it's now down. Thank you.

3384
02:21:52.000 --> 02:21:54.295
Thank you. Just showing that I don't

3385
02:21:54.319 --> 02:21:57.256
miss you. There we are. Councelor, any

3386
02:21:57.280 --> 02:22:00.216
other questions from councilors?

3387
02:22:00.240 --> 02:22:02.056
Councelor Hardy indicated you wish to

3388
02:22:02.080 --> 02:22:04.696
move to this item with an amendment.

3389
02:22:04.720 --> 02:22:07.720
Yes, you may read out your modifications

3390
02:22:08.960 --> 02:22:11.960
on screen.

3391
02:22:12.479 --> 02:22:14.295
Okay.

3392
02:22:14.319 --> 02:22:16.216
The species diversity, heritage

3393
02:22:16.240 --> 02:22:18.216
character and tree protection will be

3394
02:22:18.240 --> 02:22:20.776
addressed through other actions in

3395
02:22:20.800 --> 02:22:23.800
strategy.

3396
02:22:23.920 --> 02:22:26.136
3.7

3397
02:22:26.160 --> 02:22:29.160
forest refers to all performing trees.

3398
02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:32.856
Councelor Hardy, apologies. You're going

3399
02:22:32.880 --> 02:22:34.536
to have to turn it on and start again at

3400
02:22:34.560 --> 02:22:36.136
3.6.

3401
02:22:36.160 --> 02:22:37.096
Sorry.

3402
02:22:37.120 --> 02:22:38.056
Sorry.

3403
02:22:38.080 --> 02:22:40.295
3.6 Six notes that species diversity,

3404
02:22:40.319 --> 02:22:41.896
heritage character, and tree protection

3405
02:22:41.920 --> 02:22:43.976
will be addressed through other actions

3406
02:22:44.000 --> 02:22:45.976
in the urban forest strategy to be

3407
02:22:46.000 --> 02:22:48.856
progressed separately. Notes that where

3408
02:22:48.880 --> 02:22:51.256
an urban forest precinct plan refers to

3409
02:22:51.280 --> 02:22:53.816
poor performing trees, this relates to

3410
02:22:53.840 --> 02:22:55.496
trees that show signs of reduced

3411
02:22:55.520 --> 02:22:58.520
vitality, health or structural integrity

3412
02:22:58.720 --> 02:23:00.616
when compared to what is expected for

3413
02:23:00.640 --> 02:23:03.256
that species. and a definition will be

3414
02:23:03.280 --> 02:23:06.056
included where relevant in each urban

3415
02:23:06.080 --> 02:23:09.080
forest precinct plan. 3.8 notes that the

3416
02:23:09.600 --> 02:23:12.136
planning of inroad tree planters

3417
02:23:12.160 --> 02:23:14.295
outstands and curb extensions at

3418
02:23:14.319 --> 02:23:16.216
intersections will be subject to

3419
02:23:16.240 --> 02:23:19.240
community engagement. 3.9 notes that the

3420
02:23:19.760 --> 02:23:21.335
management of plane trees will be

3421
02:23:21.359 --> 02:23:23.736
addressed through the upcoming plane

3422
02:23:23.760 --> 02:23:26.616
tree strategy.

3423
02:23:26.640 --> 02:23:29.096
Thank you. You have moved the motion

3424
02:23:29.120 --> 02:23:31.096
with those additions. Is there a

3425
02:23:31.120 --> 02:23:33.816
seconder? The seconded by councelor

3426
02:23:33.840 --> 02:23:36.216
Halliday. Does the mover wish to

3427
02:23:36.240 --> 02:23:37.816
speak?

3428
02:23:37.840 --> 02:23:40.216
Certainly. You may speak.

3429
02:23:40.240 --> 02:23:42.295
Rather than a blanket approach,  I'm

3430
02:23:42.319 --> 02:23:43.976
promoting recognition of the grand

3431
02:23:44.000 --> 02:23:45.896
streets within the Albert Park ward and

3432
02:23:45.920 --> 02:23:48.375
St Kilda. Council has noted several

3433
02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:50.936
times in this urban forest precinct plan

3434
02:23:50.960 --> 02:23:52.696
describing some of the streets as

3435
02:23:52.720 --> 02:23:55.415
iconic. My purpose is to give some

3436
02:23:55.439 --> 02:23:57.576
recognition to the heritage streets and

3437
02:23:57.600 --> 02:23:59.496
give definition to a poor performing

3438
02:23:59.520 --> 02:24:01.816
tree. Residents also have a

3439
02:24:01.840 --> 02:24:03.816
Cunsoloidation sorry consultation

3440
02:24:03.840 --> 02:24:05.816
opportunity in planning where the

3441
02:24:05.840 --> 02:24:07.896
location of roadside planters could be

3442
02:24:07.920 --> 02:24:09.656
installed.

3443
02:24:09.680 --> 02:24:12.680
Also the London plan the the London

3444
02:24:12.880 --> 02:24:14.616
plane tree management strategy will

3445
02:24:14.640 --> 02:24:17.335
ensure a specific focus on these trees

3446
02:24:17.359 --> 02:24:19.415
regarding their management health and

3447
02:24:19.439 --> 02:24:22.439
also impact on the community. I commend

3448
02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:23.656
this.

3449
02:24:23.680 --> 02:24:25.656
Thank you. Does a second to wish to

3450
02:24:25.680 --> 02:24:26.696
speak?

3451
02:24:26.720 --> 02:24:27.256
You may.

3452
02:24:27.280 --> 02:24:29.576
 thank you, mayor. Um thank you,

3453
02:24:29.600 --> 02:24:32.600
councelor Hardy,  for your um your

3454
02:24:32.960 --> 02:24:35.415
amendments here. Um I think that these

3455
02:24:35.439 --> 02:24:38.295
recognize the difficult  situation

3456
02:24:38.319 --> 02:24:41.319
that we are going to face around um

3457
02:24:42.160 --> 02:24:44.616
plain tree management. We have an

3458
02:24:44.640 --> 02:24:46.936
overabundance of canopy cover provided

3459
02:24:46.960 --> 02:24:49.960
by one particularly um one particular

3460
02:24:50.399 --> 02:24:52.375
tree and it's a really good tree for

3461
02:24:52.399 --> 02:24:55.399
canopy cover but it exposes us to risks

3462
02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:58.840
of disease um and  um biological um

3463
02:25:00.880 --> 02:25:03.656
infestations of those trees which means

3464
02:25:03.680 --> 02:25:05.576
that we have a lot of our tree canopy

3465
02:25:05.600 --> 02:25:08.600
cover that is um at risk in the future.

3466
02:25:08.960 --> 02:25:11.960
We also um have many streets that aren't

3467
02:25:13.120 --> 02:25:16.120
heritage streets, but that do have um

3468
02:25:16.560 --> 02:25:19.560
plain trees as their um as their canopy

3469
02:25:19.600 --> 02:25:22.455
cover. And I don't think that we can

3470
02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:25.479
only um  guarantee that heritage areas

3471
02:25:28.560 --> 02:25:30.936
um get access to the canopy cover

3472
02:25:30.960 --> 02:25:33.576
benefits of plane trees. I think we need

3473
02:25:33.600 --> 02:25:36.375
collectively as a council to find a fair

3474
02:25:36.399 --> 02:25:39.399
way of um of ensuring that all streets

3475
02:25:40.640 --> 02:25:43.335
um have canopy cover, not just those

3476
02:25:43.359 --> 02:25:46.295
streets that happen to have the  have

3477
02:25:46.319 --> 02:25:48.696
heritage listings on them. Um in any

3478
02:25:48.720 --> 02:25:50.455
case, this will be a longer discussion.

3479
02:25:50.479 --> 02:25:52.295
Um there's a lot of water to go under

3480
02:25:52.319 --> 02:25:55.319
this bridge. Um but it is also great to

3481
02:25:55.439 --> 02:25:57.656
see the um urban forest strategy

3482
02:25:57.680 --> 02:26:00.295
precinct plans move out to St Kilda now

3483
02:26:00.319 --> 02:26:02.696
and to Middle Park and Elbert Park um

3484
02:26:02.720 --> 02:26:04.536
and see some of the recommendations that

3485
02:26:04.560 --> 02:26:07.016
will come out of this around especially

3486
02:26:07.040 --> 02:26:09.736
um Park Street and other areas um of St

3487
02:26:09.760 --> 02:26:12.760
Kilda. Um so happy to support this.

3488
02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:16.616
Thank you councelor Halliday. Second

3489
02:26:16.640 --> 02:26:18.536
to have spoken. Any other councilors

3490
02:26:18.560 --> 02:26:21.560
wish to speak to the item?

3491
02:26:23.680 --> 02:26:25.496
I'm not seeing an indication of any

3492
02:26:25.520 --> 02:26:27.415
other counselors speaking in which case

3493
02:26:27.439 --> 02:26:29.736
back to the mover to close.

3494
02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:31.896
Put the motion your worship.

3495
02:26:31.920 --> 02:26:33.976
The motion is the debate does not be

3496
02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:35.736
closed. So therefore we'll put the

3497
02:26:35.760 --> 02:26:38.760
motion as per council. All those in

3498
02:26:38.800 --> 02:26:41.800
favor that is carried unanimously.

3499
02:26:44.880 --> 02:26:47.335
I've got to see that hand deputy mayor.

3500
02:26:47.359 --> 02:26:50.359
Well done. That is carried unanimously.

3501
02:26:51.439 --> 02:26:54.439
That concludes 9.2. On to now item 10.1,

3502
02:26:55.600 --> 02:26:57.335
the proposed local law amendment,

3503
02:26:57.359 --> 02:26:59.496
storage of caravans, boats, trailers on

3504
02:26:59.520 --> 02:27:01.816
council land and roads. Councelor

3505
02:27:01.840 --> 02:27:02.776
Cunsoloo.

3506
02:27:02.800 --> 02:27:04.375
Thank you. I'll declare my conflict of

3507
02:27:04.399 --> 02:27:05.496
interest.

3508
02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:07.656
Thank you, Councelor Cunsolo.

3509
02:27:07.680 --> 02:27:09.415
So, it's a material conflict of interest

3510
02:27:09.439 --> 02:27:11.335
because I have a caravan and a trailer,

3511
02:27:11.359 --> 02:27:13.656
which I will say they're both off public

3512
02:27:13.680 --> 02:27:16.056
land at the moment, not on public land.

3513
02:27:16.080 --> 02:27:18.776
Um, but given that I have them,

3514
02:27:18.800 --> 02:27:20.375
obviously I have a conflict of interest.

3515
02:27:20.399 --> 02:27:22.216
So I will step out of the room during

3516
02:27:22.240 --> 02:27:24.295
this item. Thanks.

3517
02:27:24.319 --> 02:27:27.319
Thank you, councelor Cunsoloe.

3518
02:27:36.080 --> 02:27:38.375
Questions for officers. Councelor

3519
02:27:38.399 --> 02:27:41.096
Halliday. Oh, councelor Buckingham.

3520
02:27:41.120 --> 02:27:44.120
Yeah, sure.

3521
02:27:45.600 --> 02:27:48.600
 my question is around trailers in

3522
02:27:48.720 --> 02:27:50.216
particular that are used for work

3523
02:27:50.240 --> 02:27:52.696
purposes. So I'm thinking about tradies

3524
02:27:52.720 --> 02:27:55.720
or gardeners or builders that rely on a

3525
02:27:56.319 --> 02:27:59.319
trade um a trailer to do their job. How

3526
02:28:00.080 --> 02:28:02.295
will this change to the local law impact

3527
02:28:02.319 --> 02:28:04.776
on them?

3528
02:28:04.800 --> 02:28:06.056
Three you may and thank you for the

3529
02:28:06.080 --> 02:28:07.976
question. So the intention of this local

3530
02:28:08.000 --> 02:28:10.616
law is to remove long-term storage of

3531
02:28:10.640 --> 02:28:12.056
these types of vehicles including

3532
02:28:12.080 --> 02:28:15.080
trailers.  boats and caravans. Um it

3533
02:28:15.200 --> 02:28:17.496
will be a reactionbased enforcement. Um

3534
02:28:17.520 --> 02:28:19.335
and we see these items that are moved

3535
02:28:19.359 --> 02:28:21.335
more regularly dayto-day. They probably

3536
02:28:21.359 --> 02:28:22.936
don't come back to the same car park in

3537
02:28:22.960 --> 02:28:24.536
a street. They may move around in a

3538
02:28:24.560 --> 02:28:27.560
street. Um because of that fact, if

3539
02:28:27.680 --> 02:28:29.816
officers were getting complaints about

3540
02:28:29.840 --> 02:28:32.056
um a trailer that was used for work or

3541
02:28:32.080 --> 02:28:33.816
commercial purposes, we'd have a

3542
02:28:33.840 --> 02:28:34.936
conversation with the owner of that

3543
02:28:34.960 --> 02:28:37.096
trailer to understand it. The intent of

3544
02:28:37.120 --> 02:28:39.335
any enforcement is to get compliance,

3545
02:28:39.359 --> 02:28:41.496
but to also look at the impact on the

3546
02:28:41.520 --> 02:28:43.496
community and to look at a proportionate

3547
02:28:43.520 --> 02:28:46.056
response to an issue. You'll see in the

3548
02:28:46.080 --> 02:28:47.816
procedures and protocols manual is a

3549
02:28:47.840 --> 02:28:49.256
very stepped out process for those

3550
02:28:49.280 --> 02:28:51.656
investigations as well as an area of

3551
02:28:51.680 --> 02:28:53.576
special circumstances to understand

3552
02:28:53.600 --> 02:28:55.976
what's happening in each in each

3553
02:28:56.000 --> 02:28:59.000
particular circumstance. So technically

3554
02:28:59.040 --> 02:29:00.776
um we would be looking at not having

3555
02:29:00.800 --> 02:29:03.256
these items on council land for any more

3556
02:29:03.280 --> 02:29:06.280
than 14 days in 60 as a total but any

3557
02:29:06.640 --> 02:29:07.976
enforcement would be taken on a

3558
02:29:08.000 --> 02:29:10.856
casebycase situation and would be

3559
02:29:10.880 --> 02:29:13.415
measuring the impact of those um

3560
02:29:13.439 --> 02:29:16.136
trailers on the broader community. The

3561
02:29:16.160 --> 02:29:18.375
intent would not be to penalize people

3562
02:29:18.399 --> 02:29:20.216
for conducting business and and using

3563
02:29:20.240 --> 02:29:22.696
the vehicles they needed to do that but

3564
02:29:22.720 --> 02:29:24.616
the intention of this local law is to

3565
02:29:24.640 --> 02:29:26.856
remove long-term storage. each of those

3566
02:29:26.880 --> 02:29:29.096
cases would be looked at individually um

3567
02:29:29.120 --> 02:29:31.736
to see if enforcement was necessary. So

3568
02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:34.455
from a strictly technical point of view

3569
02:29:34.479 --> 02:29:37.016
on this as a local law, we do not have a

3570
02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:39.896
carve out for commercial vehicles at

3571
02:29:39.920 --> 02:29:42.920
this time. It is any boat, trailer or

3572
02:29:42.960 --> 02:29:45.176
caravan that can be hitched to a car. So

3573
02:29:45.200 --> 02:29:47.016
from a technical standpoint, it would.

3574
02:29:47.040 --> 02:29:48.936
that each case is looked at very

3575
02:29:48.960 --> 02:29:50.856
particularly to make sure that we get an

3576
02:29:50.880 --> 02:29:52.536
outcome that is good for the community.

3577
02:29:52.560 --> 02:29:54.696
If it is being moved around  very

3578
02:29:54.720 --> 02:29:56.455
regularly and in different areas of the

3579
02:29:56.479 --> 02:29:59.479
street that impact is lessened on safe

3580
02:29:59.600 --> 02:30:02.216
particular um bu buildings that may have

3581
02:30:02.240 --> 02:30:04.536
these out the front for long periods. So

3582
02:30:04.560 --> 02:30:06.936
we are not intending to penalize this

3583
02:30:06.960 --> 02:30:09.896
but it is a broad local law from a legal

3584
02:30:09.920 --> 02:30:12.295
standpoint that captures trailers, boats

3585
02:30:12.319 --> 02:30:15.319
and caravans no matter the use of them.

3586
02:30:16.399 --> 02:30:18.776
Thank you. Any further question,

3587
02:30:18.800 --> 02:30:21.096
Councelor Buckingham? I'm happy to

3588
02:30:21.120 --> 02:30:22.295
councelor Hel.

3589
02:30:22.319 --> 02:30:23.896
Yeah, sure. Councelor Halliday and

3590
02:30:23.920 --> 02:30:25.256
then I'll come to councelor J.

3591
02:30:25.280 --> 02:30:27.415
Thank you. Um, can you remind me what

3592
02:30:27.439 --> 02:30:29.496
the outcome was of the community

3593
02:30:29.520 --> 02:30:32.520
consultation on support for this new

3594
02:30:32.560 --> 02:30:34.856
proposed local law?

3595
02:30:34.880 --> 02:30:36.696
Do you mayor? So, we had two rounds of

3596
02:30:36.720 --> 02:30:38.696
engagement on this local law. one to

3597
02:30:38.720 --> 02:30:40.536
understand sentiment about the broader

3598
02:30:40.560 --> 02:30:42.616
approach to this which gained majority

3599
02:30:42.640 --> 02:30:44.856
support for a local law to control

3600
02:30:44.880 --> 02:30:46.536
trailers, boats and trailers being

3601
02:30:46.560 --> 02:30:48.776
stored long-term.  in round two

3602
02:30:48.800 --> 02:30:51.256
earlier this um year we again tested the

3603
02:30:51.280 --> 02:30:53.256
exact wording of this which is as is

3604
02:30:53.280 --> 02:30:55.896
presented today 14 days out of 60 on a

3605
02:30:55.920 --> 02:30:57.576
public road for any caravan boat or

3606
02:30:57.600 --> 02:30:59.816
trailer and that gained majority support

3607
02:30:59.840 --> 02:31:02.616
from the community engaged.

3608
02:31:02.640 --> 02:31:05.640
Councelor J.

3609
02:31:06.080 --> 02:31:08.295
Nelly, I don't like using real life

3610
02:31:08.319 --> 02:31:10.696
examples, but I'll try and come up with

3611
02:31:10.720 --> 02:31:13.720
an analogy. So, if I had a tin boat and

3612
02:31:14.240 --> 02:31:17.240
I used it for hobbying,

3613
02:31:17.520 --> 02:31:20.295
um, and I had the neighbor had the same

3614
02:31:20.319 --> 02:31:23.319
tin boat but used it for work. Um, are

3615
02:31:23.920 --> 02:31:26.920
you saying that neither can live on the

3616
02:31:27.359 --> 02:31:29.496
streets safely?

3617
02:31:29.520 --> 02:31:31.415
And are you saying that the local law

3618
02:31:31.439 --> 02:31:34.136
will only be triggered with complaints?

3619
02:31:34.160 --> 02:31:37.160
So could um the commercial operator that

3620
02:31:38.960 --> 02:31:41.960
lives in this is all make believe lives

3621
02:31:42.479 --> 02:31:44.455
in Port Phillip and uses his boat for

3622
02:31:44.479 --> 02:31:47.479
work if he moved it regularly could he

3623
02:31:47.840 --> 02:31:49.736
cause less of an impact on the streets

3624
02:31:49.760 --> 02:31:52.216
and that would be okay

3625
02:31:52.240 --> 02:31:53.576
through you may the technical

3626
02:31:53.600 --> 02:31:55.656
interpretation of the local law is that

3627
02:31:55.680 --> 02:31:58.136
no caravan boat or trailer regardless of

3628
02:31:58.160 --> 02:31:59.896
if it's someone's tiny they use on the

3629
02:31:59.920 --> 02:32:02.136
weekend or a trailer used for commercial

3630
02:32:02.160 --> 02:32:04.536
purposes can be stored longer than 14

3631
02:32:04.560 --> 02:32:07.335
days in 60 days. Your question about

3632
02:32:07.359 --> 02:32:09.415
enforcement, yes, it will be a reactive

3633
02:32:09.439 --> 02:32:11.496
enforcement. We're going not going to go

3634
02:32:11.520 --> 02:32:13.256
looking for these cases, it's really

3635
02:32:13.280 --> 02:32:14.696
when we hear from the community that

3636
02:32:14.720 --> 02:32:17.256
there is an issue um that as we've heard

3637
02:32:17.280 --> 02:32:18.696
through the engagement that people are

3638
02:32:18.720 --> 02:32:20.216
concerned about these vehicles being

3639
02:32:20.240 --> 02:32:23.096
stored long-term on public land. Um so

3640
02:32:23.120 --> 02:32:25.816
it will be a reactionary enforcement um

3641
02:32:25.840 --> 02:32:28.840
as we do with some local laws. Um but

3642
02:32:29.120 --> 02:32:30.375
your question about the difference

3643
02:32:30.399 --> 02:32:32.455
between a tiny use for a weekend and and

3644
02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:34.136
a commercial trailer, similar to what I

3645
02:32:34.160 --> 02:32:36.295
said before, a strict interpretation of

3646
02:32:36.319 --> 02:32:38.455
the local law is that um both cannot

3647
02:32:38.479 --> 02:32:40.696
remain for longer than 14 days out of 60

3648
02:32:40.720 --> 02:32:43.176
on our public roads. Each case is looked

3649
02:32:43.200 --> 02:32:45.896
at in its own circumstances to

3650
02:32:45.920 --> 02:32:47.415
understand the impact to the broader

3651
02:32:47.439 --> 02:32:49.176
community. These are difficult. We've

3652
02:32:49.200 --> 02:32:50.856
talked to councils who have these local

3653
02:32:50.880 --> 02:32:52.856
laws already. They are complicated

3654
02:32:52.880 --> 02:32:54.455
cases. These are people's privately

3655
02:32:54.479 --> 02:32:57.479
owned vehicles. Um and there is you know

3656
02:32:57.520 --> 02:32:59.176
as the public land owners we have a

3657
02:32:59.200 --> 02:33:01.335
responsibility to manage that land. This

3658
02:33:01.359 --> 02:33:03.976
local law tonight presents an option um

3659
02:33:04.000 --> 02:33:05.816
for you to consider about caravans,

3660
02:33:05.840 --> 02:33:07.656
boats and trailers. Um and then the

3661
02:33:07.680 --> 02:33:09.096
enforcement is tried to be stepped out

3662
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:11.176
in the procedures and protocols manual.

3663
02:33:11.200 --> 02:33:13.176
Um we hope that it will  you know give

3664
02:33:13.200 --> 02:33:14.856
an indication of what we are expecting

3665
02:33:14.880 --> 02:33:17.016
on our public streets and as we become

3666
02:33:17.040 --> 02:33:19.096
denser and parking changes happen in a

3667
02:33:19.120 --> 02:33:20.856
range of ways as well. Our public space

3668
02:33:20.880 --> 02:33:23.256
especially our um amount of parking will

3669
02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:25.096
will change in different ways. But the

3670
02:33:25.120 --> 02:33:26.856
item before you tonight is to restrict

3671
02:33:26.880 --> 02:33:28.455
any types of trailers, boats, and

3672
02:33:28.479 --> 02:33:31.479
caravans for longer than 14 days and 60.

3673
02:33:31.520 --> 02:33:33.096
Councelor Jay,

3674
02:33:33.120 --> 02:33:35.096
um I probably should have understood

3675
02:33:35.120 --> 02:33:37.335
that before and it's on me that I didn't

3676
02:33:37.359 --> 02:33:39.896
quite understand that because I have

3677
02:33:39.920 --> 02:33:42.295
massive concerns of someone's

3678
02:33:42.319 --> 02:33:43.816
livelihood.

3679
02:33:43.840 --> 02:33:46.840
I mean, I do understand the the space. I

3680
02:33:47.040 --> 02:33:49.415
live in Domain Precinct. We we don't

3681
02:33:49.439 --> 02:33:52.295
have space for a car, let alone a

3682
02:33:52.319 --> 02:33:55.176
caravan. Um, however, I'm concerned that

3683
02:33:55.200 --> 02:33:57.096
the city of Port Phillip is home to a

3684
02:33:57.120 --> 02:33:58.856
diverse community that love the

3685
02:33:58.880 --> 02:34:01.880
location. Um, and I'm concerned at this

3686
02:34:02.720 --> 02:34:05.720
point, um, that this law will actually

3687
02:34:07.439 --> 02:34:10.056
affect people's livelihood. And in the

3688
02:34:10.080 --> 02:34:13.080
current economy, I have concerns about

3689
02:34:13.840 --> 02:34:15.335
that.

3690
02:34:15.359 --> 02:34:17.176
And I do sort of want to say to people,

3691
02:34:17.200 --> 02:34:18.616
don't worry, as long as the neighbor

3692
02:34:18.640 --> 02:34:20.295
doesn't complain, you'll be fine. But

3693
02:34:20.319 --> 02:34:20.536
that's

3694
02:34:20.560 --> 02:34:22.295
Question, please.

3695
02:34:22.319 --> 02:34:25.319
Um, can we legally affect people's right

3696
02:34:26.560 --> 02:34:29.560
to earn an income by inhibiting use of

3697
02:34:29.840 --> 02:34:32.840
their own registered private propert

3698
02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:37.496
I I think we've clarified the use of

3699
02:34:37.520 --> 02:34:40.520
these trailers, boats, it's all is

3700
02:34:40.720 --> 02:34:42.455
irrelevant for the purposes of the local

3701
02:34:42.479 --> 02:34:44.856
law. So it doesn't matter what you're

3702
02:34:44.880 --> 02:34:47.256
using it for. The the local law would

3703
02:34:47.280 --> 02:34:49.976
apply where it's been reported.

3704
02:34:50.000 --> 02:34:52.776
That's correct, isn't it?

3705
02:34:52.800 --> 02:34:55.256
Yep. Great.

3706
02:34:55.280 --> 02:34:57.256
Any further questions? Councelor

3707
02:34:57.280 --> 02:34:59.335
Buckingham,

3708
02:34:59.359 --> 02:35:02.136
I'd like to pick up a um question that

3709
02:35:02.160 --> 02:35:04.375
was asked by a community member earlier

3710
02:35:04.399 --> 02:35:07.399
this evening. Has the council considered

3711
02:35:08.479 --> 02:35:11.479
a permitting system where if you are if

3712
02:35:13.120 --> 02:35:16.056
your vehicle is parked within 100 mters

3713
02:35:16.080 --> 02:35:19.080
of your property, you have right to

3714
02:35:19.439 --> 02:35:21.335
station iter

3715
02:35:21.359 --> 02:35:23.415
you may. Yes, this was considered at a

3716
02:35:23.439 --> 02:35:25.256
number of stages along the process as

3717
02:35:25.280 --> 02:35:26.856
outlined in the papers presented to

3718
02:35:26.880 --> 02:35:28.936
council previously. Some councils do

3719
02:35:28.960 --> 02:35:30.696
have a permitting system where they set

3720
02:35:30.720 --> 02:35:32.696
criteria, you know, if it's for a short

3721
02:35:32.720 --> 02:35:35.176
period of time or they can show specific

3722
02:35:35.200 --> 02:35:37.096
needs that they are allowed to get a

3723
02:35:37.120 --> 02:35:39.496
permit. We decided that was not  the

3724
02:35:39.520 --> 02:35:40.936
recommended way forward in this case

3725
02:35:40.960 --> 02:35:42.216
because we were hearing from the

3726
02:35:42.240 --> 02:35:43.576
community that they didn't want these

3727
02:35:43.600 --> 02:35:45.976
items stored on the street at all. It

3728
02:35:46.000 --> 02:35:47.496
wasn't just certain circumstances that

3729
02:35:47.520 --> 02:35:48.776
they felt comfortable with them being

3730
02:35:48.800 --> 02:35:50.216
there. We were responding to concerns

3731
02:35:50.240 --> 02:35:52.216
about safety and sight lines and access

3732
02:35:52.240 --> 02:35:54.536
to parking near people's homes. um and

3733
02:35:54.560 --> 02:35:56.216
therefore a permit system would not

3734
02:35:56.240 --> 02:35:57.736
achieve those outcomes that we were

3735
02:35:57.760 --> 02:35:59.415
looking for. So it was considered and

3736
02:35:59.439 --> 02:36:01.816
and looked into in terms of research um

3737
02:36:01.840 --> 02:36:03.415
but it was not the recommended approach

3738
02:36:03.439 --> 02:36:05.176
from officers and we didn't hear strong

3739
02:36:05.200 --> 02:36:06.616
feedback from the community during

3740
02:36:06.640 --> 02:36:09.496
engagement that they wanted that.

3741
02:36:09.520 --> 02:36:12.520
Councelor Buckingham,

3742
02:36:13.680 --> 02:36:16.536
I picking up on councelor Jay's

3743
02:36:16.560 --> 02:36:19.560
comments, I am concerned that we could

3744
02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:21.896
unintentionally have an impact on

3745
02:36:21.920 --> 02:36:23.335
people's livelihoods, particularly

3746
02:36:23.359 --> 02:36:26.295
around I'm concerned around trailers,

3747
02:36:26.319 --> 02:36:29.319
um if we

3748
02:36:30.080 --> 02:36:33.080
change the local law and 6 months down

3749
02:36:33.680 --> 02:36:35.335
the track or a year down the track we're

3750
02:36:35.359 --> 02:36:37.415
concerned that it's pushing out

3751
02:36:37.439 --> 02:36:39.736
particularly trades people that rely on

3752
02:36:39.760 --> 02:36:42.455
trailers. Could we then revisit the

3753
02:36:42.479 --> 02:36:45.479
question of a permit for um utility

3754
02:36:47.600 --> 02:36:48.136
vehicles

3755
02:36:48.160 --> 02:36:50.216
through you may? Yes, we can consider um

3756
02:36:50.240 --> 02:36:52.056
changes to the local law at any time. We

3757
02:36:52.080 --> 02:36:53.415
would be required to go through the

3758
02:36:53.439 --> 02:36:55.656
engagement um and the statutory process

3759
02:36:55.680 --> 02:36:58.375
which does cost money and take time. Um

3760
02:36:58.399 --> 02:37:00.696
we know from current complaint data that

3761
02:37:00.720 --> 02:37:02.856
there aren't many complaints about

3762
02:37:02.880 --> 02:37:04.936
trailers um that are used for commercial

3763
02:37:04.960 --> 02:37:06.536
purposes. They're often hitched to cars

3764
02:37:06.560 --> 02:37:07.976
very regularly. They're used in

3765
02:37:08.000 --> 02:37:10.056
different ways than the the vehicles

3766
02:37:10.080 --> 02:37:11.415
that we get the most complaints about,

3767
02:37:11.439 --> 02:37:13.576
which are the caravans, either empty

3768
02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:15.576
trailers or trailers with boats on them.

3769
02:37:15.600 --> 02:37:17.656
We get they're the main concerns we hear

3770
02:37:17.680 --> 02:37:19.176
from the community. They're not the

3771
02:37:19.200 --> 02:37:21.016
branded trailers, you know, with a name

3772
02:37:21.040 --> 02:37:23.176
and and phone number on them um that are

3773
02:37:23.200 --> 02:37:25.335
used for commercial purposes. So, we're

3774
02:37:25.359 --> 02:37:27.496
not responding to concerns directly

3775
02:37:27.520 --> 02:37:29.176
about these types of vehicles. We don't

3776
02:37:29.200 --> 02:37:31.656
expect complaints about them to increase

3777
02:37:31.680 --> 02:37:33.335
um based on this local law at this

3778
02:37:33.359 --> 02:37:35.896
stage. We can always reconsider a permit

3779
02:37:35.920 --> 02:37:37.335
as an option. It would need to go

3780
02:37:37.359 --> 02:37:39.256
through the statutory process to be put

3781
02:37:39.280 --> 02:37:41.976
into the local law as a local law with a

3782
02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:43.896
permit option, not just an enforcement

3783
02:37:43.920 --> 02:37:45.976
option as presented tonight.

3784
02:37:46.000 --> 02:37:49.000
Deputy Mayor Mes.

3785
02:37:49.840 --> 02:37:52.840
Thank you, Mayor M.  my question  in

3786
02:37:52.960 --> 02:37:55.176
in working through this local law

3787
02:37:55.200 --> 02:37:58.200
amendment. Um I understand from  many

3788
02:37:59.680 --> 02:38:02.295
friends who who in fact have caravans

3789
02:38:02.319 --> 02:38:04.536
that there are many storage facilities

3790
02:38:04.560 --> 02:38:07.560
or a number of storage facilities across

3791
02:38:07.680 --> 02:38:09.976
 facilities across Melbourne that have

3792
02:38:10.000 --> 02:38:12.375
sprung up with the sole purpose of

3793
02:38:12.399 --> 02:38:14.455
storing

3794
02:38:14.479 --> 02:38:17.479
caravans, boats, etc. trailers um

3795
02:38:17.840 --> 02:38:20.840
because of this issue doesn't just exist

3796
02:38:21.280 --> 02:38:24.280
in Port Phillip. So, I is that something

3797
02:38:25.040 --> 02:38:28.040
we could  publish or push along the

3798
02:38:28.080 --> 02:38:29.816
lines of, you know, if you've got this

3799
02:38:29.840 --> 02:38:32.216
caravan, you know, this is a place

3800
02:38:32.240 --> 02:38:34.455
that's close to the city of Port Phillip

3801
02:38:34.479 --> 02:38:36.455
where you can store it

3802
02:38:36.479 --> 02:38:38.216
through you, mayor. Yes, absolutely. We

3803
02:38:38.240 --> 02:38:40.056
would provide information about more

3804
02:38:40.080 --> 02:38:41.976
appropriate storage locations if this

3805
02:38:42.000 --> 02:38:44.455
local law were to pass. a quick look.

3806
02:38:44.479 --> 02:38:46.455
Um, as part of the research within 30

3807
02:38:46.479 --> 02:38:47.976
kilometers of Port Phillip, there are a

3808
02:38:48.000 --> 02:38:49.576
number of storage facilities either

3809
02:38:49.600 --> 02:38:52.136
undercover or um, in open air that can

3810
02:38:52.160 --> 02:38:54.056
facilitate caravan, boat, and trailer

3811
02:38:54.080 --> 02:38:57.016
storage um, from about $200 a month. So,

3812
02:38:57.040 --> 02:38:59.256
there are some options within sort of a

3813
02:38:59.280 --> 02:39:01.576
30k radius from where we are now. Um,

3814
02:39:01.600 --> 02:39:03.256
and we would have those conversations as

3815
02:39:03.280 --> 02:39:05.016
part of the enforcement. We want people,

3816
02:39:05.040 --> 02:39:06.375
you know, to still have access to these

3817
02:39:06.399 --> 02:39:08.056
vehicles. We'd like them to store them

3818
02:39:08.080 --> 02:39:09.496
longer term in private commercial

3819
02:39:09.520 --> 02:39:11.496
facilities or on their private land as

3820
02:39:11.520 --> 02:39:14.216
appropriate.

3821
02:39:14.240 --> 02:39:15.256
Thank you,

3822
02:39:15.280 --> 02:39:17.976
Councelor Crawford.

3823
02:39:18.000 --> 02:39:20.216
Perhaps we could consider Port Phillip

3824
02:39:20.240 --> 02:39:22.616
opening our own caravan storage place in

3825
02:39:22.640 --> 02:39:24.136
Fisherman's Band and make some money.

3826
02:39:24.160 --> 02:39:27.160
That's a question. No, I'm joking.

3827
02:39:29.439 --> 02:39:31.335
Councelor Buckingham, you have another

3828
02:39:31.359 --> 02:39:32.536
question.

3829
02:39:32.560 --> 02:39:35.560
So when we change the local law, um what

3830
02:39:36.720 --> 02:39:39.496
are the standard report backs to

3831
02:39:39.520 --> 02:39:41.736
councilors

3832
02:39:41.760 --> 02:39:44.760
um or like when will we as counselors

3833
02:39:46.319 --> 02:39:49.319
see the um ramifications of the change

3834
02:39:50.640 --> 02:39:53.256
and understand the data?

3835
02:39:53.280 --> 02:39:55.016
Is that built into the process or should

3836
02:39:55.040 --> 02:39:58.040
I move an amendment requesting a report

3837
02:39:58.319 --> 02:40:01.319
back in six months to understand whether

3838
02:40:02.000 --> 02:40:03.896
it has achieved its objective or whether

3839
02:40:03.920 --> 02:40:06.696
there have been unintended consequences

3840
02:40:06.720 --> 02:40:09.096
through you may there isn't a formal

3841
02:40:09.120 --> 02:40:11.656
reporting requirement on how local laws

3842
02:40:11.680 --> 02:40:14.216
go once it's in um legislation it is

3843
02:40:14.240 --> 02:40:16.696
enforced upon our own um council

3844
02:40:16.720 --> 02:40:18.375
reporting we do try and update through

3845
02:40:18.399 --> 02:40:20.216
the CEO report monthly for example we

3846
02:40:20.240 --> 02:40:22.375
had the local law in 2023 and we tried

3847
02:40:22.399 --> 02:40:24.375
to update It's in there as new local

3848
02:40:24.399 --> 02:40:25.576
laws have come on board about how

3849
02:40:25.600 --> 02:40:27.335
they're going, but not to a formal

3850
02:40:27.359 --> 02:40:29.415
evaluation kind of level. If counselors

3851
02:40:29.439 --> 02:40:31.656
would like to see that level of detail,

3852
02:40:31.680 --> 02:40:34.136
um, including number of cases in, you

3853
02:40:34.160 --> 02:40:36.375
know, the outcomes of those um, and the

3854
02:40:36.399 --> 02:40:38.056
number of complaints we're getting as a

3855
02:40:38.080 --> 02:40:41.080
whole, um, I would recommend you moving

3856
02:40:42.000 --> 02:40:43.896
something to request that or we can do

3857
02:40:43.920 --> 02:40:45.896
it operationally if if that would be

3858
02:40:45.920 --> 02:40:48.375
more appropriate.

3859
02:40:48.399 --> 02:40:51.399
Any further questions? Councelor J.

3860
02:40:52.720 --> 02:40:55.335
Um Nelly, I was just a mere resident

3861
02:40:55.359 --> 02:40:57.976
when this was first proposed, this law.

3862
02:40:58.000 --> 02:41:01.000
Can you um speak to how long this

3863
02:41:01.920 --> 02:41:04.696
process has taken and if we were because

3864
02:41:04.720 --> 02:41:07.415
there was conversation about permits. If

3865
02:41:07.439 --> 02:41:10.216
we would have introduced a permit system

3866
02:41:10.240 --> 02:41:12.295
for maybe some of the commercial

3867
02:41:12.319 --> 02:41:14.536
vehicles or hobby, you know, let's just

3868
02:41:14.560 --> 02:41:16.776
say commercial vehicles, at what stage

3869
02:41:16.800 --> 02:41:18.776
of the process was that appropriate?

3870
02:41:18.800 --> 02:41:21.496
because I'm aware as a counselor that

3871
02:41:21.520 --> 02:41:24.216
sometimes once the process starts, it's

3872
02:41:24.240 --> 02:41:27.176
very hard to change it or stop it. So

3873
02:41:27.200 --> 02:41:29.736
when was this first proposed and at what

3874
02:41:29.760 --> 02:41:32.375
point would it have been appropriate for

3875
02:41:32.399 --> 02:41:35.176
us to

3876
02:41:35.200 --> 02:41:36.616
fight for permits

3877
02:41:36.640 --> 02:41:37.976
through you may? So, it's come through a

3878
02:41:38.000 --> 02:41:40.536
number of ways um from the community. Um

3879
02:41:40.560 --> 02:41:42.056
there was a number of petitions around

3880
02:41:42.080 --> 02:41:44.216
these kind of items being parked on on

3881
02:41:44.240 --> 02:41:46.455
public land.  dating back many years,

3882
02:41:46.479 --> 02:41:48.696
but August 2024, there was quite a large

3883
02:41:48.720 --> 02:41:50.216
feedback from the community about some

3884
02:41:50.240 --> 02:41:51.976
key locations where this parking was

3885
02:41:52.000 --> 02:41:53.896
taking place. A range of investigations

3886
02:41:53.920 --> 02:41:55.896
were taken at that time with a local law

3887
02:41:55.920 --> 02:41:57.656
as one of the suggested outcomes.

3888
02:41:57.680 --> 02:41:59.576
Councilors supported that at the time.

3889
02:41:59.600 --> 02:42:01.415
The engagement phase that occurred late

3890
02:42:01.439 --> 02:42:03.256
last year would have been the time that

3891
02:42:03.280 --> 02:42:05.096
if that came through if a lot of people

3892
02:42:05.120 --> 02:42:06.936
were raising it as a concern that they

3893
02:42:06.960 --> 02:42:08.616
did or didn't want commercial vehicles

3894
02:42:08.640 --> 02:42:11.096
to be included at the um October

3895
02:42:11.120 --> 02:42:13.176
November engagement last year that could

3896
02:42:13.200 --> 02:42:15.016
have then fed into the exact wording

3897
02:42:15.040 --> 02:42:16.536
that you see before you tonight that was

3898
02:42:16.560 --> 02:42:18.455
tested with the community in March this

3899
02:42:18.479 --> 02:42:20.536
year. So it would have been there was a

3900
02:42:20.560 --> 02:42:21.976
few steps along the way that that could

3901
02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:24.295
have been provided. Um the formal one

3902
02:42:24.319 --> 02:42:25.816
would have been the engagement period at

3903
02:42:25.840 --> 02:42:27.896
the end of last year to then develop the

3904
02:42:27.920 --> 02:42:30.136
exact wording for the local law. If we

3905
02:42:30.160 --> 02:42:32.616
do change any of the words in the local

3906
02:42:32.640 --> 02:42:34.536
law tonight, it will have to go to stat

3907
02:42:34.560 --> 02:42:36.616
to engagement to ensure the community

3908
02:42:36.640 --> 02:42:39.016
has a chance to understand any changes

3909
02:42:39.040 --> 02:42:41.016
to that wording and and therefore the

3910
02:42:41.040 --> 02:42:43.256
outcomes to the community.

3911
02:42:43.280 --> 02:42:45.176
So is this something as councilors we

3912
02:42:45.200 --> 02:42:48.200
would consider to change the local law

3913
02:42:48.399 --> 02:42:50.136
wording and send it back out to

3914
02:42:50.160 --> 02:42:51.816
community? I'm just getting temperature

3915
02:42:51.840 --> 02:42:54.840
check. And it's very cold in here.

3916
02:42:55.120 --> 02:42:56.936
Um,

3917
02:42:56.960 --> 02:42:57.976
thank you Nelly.

3918
02:42:58.000 --> 02:42:59.256
All right. Any further questions?

3919
02:42:59.280 --> 02:43:00.455
Councelor Crawford.

3920
02:43:00.479 --> 02:43:02.216
Can Nelly We were This was brought to

3921
02:43:02.240 --> 02:43:04.776
us. Can I just clarify on many many

3922
02:43:04.800 --> 02:43:06.696
occasions even before it went out and

3923
02:43:06.720 --> 02:43:08.776
permit was discussed at it was a

3924
02:43:08.800 --> 02:43:10.616
constant conversation. So it's not a new

3925
02:43:10.640 --> 02:43:13.016
concept. Just want to clarify that just

3926
02:43:13.040 --> 02:43:14.696
Yeah. So the question was we as

3927
02:43:14.720 --> 02:43:16.696
counselors had many many opportunities

3928
02:43:16.720 --> 02:43:17.816
to consider this

3929
02:43:17.840 --> 02:43:19.896
through. Yes. We presented the options

3930
02:43:19.920 --> 02:43:21.816
that we'd seen in the sector when some

3931
02:43:21.840 --> 02:43:23.896
councils have permits and some councils

3932
02:43:23.920 --> 02:43:25.335
have a blanket rule as you see before

3933
02:43:25.359 --> 02:43:26.375
you tonight.

3934
02:43:26.399 --> 02:43:28.056
All right. Any further questions?

3935
02:43:28.080 --> 02:43:29.816
Council.

3936
02:43:29.840 --> 02:43:31.896
Um Nelly, would you have needed to see a

3937
02:43:31.920 --> 02:43:34.136
majority of councilors want that permit

3938
02:43:34.160 --> 02:43:36.776
for us to have gone down that path?

3939
02:43:36.800 --> 02:43:39.736
 through you may Yeah, I think we're

3940
02:43:39.760 --> 02:43:42.760
Yeah, we've gone through the process

3941
02:43:44.800 --> 02:43:45.176
through

3942
02:43:45.200 --> 02:43:47.816
there's an item before us. the process

3943
02:43:47.840 --> 02:43:48.936
like we

3944
02:43:48.960 --> 02:43:51.176
ultimately councils consider get briefed

3945
02:43:51.200 --> 02:43:52.696
on these things. They consider these

3946
02:43:52.720 --> 02:43:54.696
things and they make decision in the

3947
02:43:54.720 --> 02:43:55.976
chamber.

3948
02:43:56.000 --> 02:43:59.000
It's not up to officers to to respond.

3949
02:44:02.880 --> 02:44:04.616
Any final questions?

3950
02:44:04.640 --> 02:44:07.640
 just a procedural question. I would

3951
02:44:07.680 --> 02:44:09.656
like to move an amendment for an

3952
02:44:09.680 --> 02:44:12.680
evaluation or a report back to council

3953
02:44:12.960 --> 02:44:15.335
evaluating the impact of the change in

3954
02:44:15.359 --> 02:44:17.976
12 months time.

3955
02:44:18.000 --> 02:44:20.936
Oh, all right. So,  once there's a

3956
02:44:20.960 --> 02:44:22.375
mover and seconded, we can debate

3957
02:44:22.399 --> 02:44:23.896
whether there's an amendment. 

3958
02:44:23.920 --> 02:44:25.255
procedurally that won't actually change

3959
02:44:25.279 --> 02:44:27.576
the law itself. So, that won't

3960
02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:29.176
it's more the reporting and evaluation.

3961
02:44:29.200 --> 02:44:29.656
That's great.

3962
02:44:29.680 --> 02:44:31.176
Want to understand Yep.

3963
02:44:31.200 --> 02:44:33.656
the impact of the change.

3964
02:44:33.680 --> 02:44:36.216
Yep.  there is an undertaking that 

3965
02:44:36.240 --> 02:44:38.216
that reporting will be undertaken. Did

3966
02:44:38.240 --> 02:44:39.896
you want it specifically in the wording

3967
02:44:39.920 --> 02:44:40.776
or

3968
02:44:40.800 --> 02:44:42.776
so can I ask the question

3969
02:44:42.800 --> 02:44:43.656
what evaluation

3970
02:44:43.680 --> 02:44:45.496
do I need to move an amendment

3971
02:44:45.520 --> 02:44:48.056
to have a report back

3972
02:44:48.080 --> 02:44:49.816
three amendments make that commitment

3973
02:44:49.840 --> 02:44:51.736
without an amendment? Okay, great.

3974
02:44:51.760 --> 02:44:51.976
Okay,

3975
02:44:52.000 --> 02:44:52.776
I'm satisfied.

3976
02:44:52.800 --> 02:44:54.216
That satisfies. Great.

3977
02:44:54.240 --> 02:44:56.936
I had a mover in councelor Crawford.

3978
02:44:56.960 --> 02:44:59.816
Seconded councelor Halliday.

3979
02:44:59.840 --> 02:45:02.136
Does the mover wish to speak?

3980
02:45:02.160 --> 02:45:04.536
Yes, please.

3981
02:45:04.560 --> 02:45:07.560
This has been  a long time coming. So

3982
02:45:07.840 --> 02:45:09.816
to all those who've been advocating for

3983
02:45:09.840 --> 02:45:11.496
this, thank you very much for your

3984
02:45:11.520 --> 02:45:14.520
patience. I do remember a pesky holiday

3985
02:45:14.720 --> 02:45:16.696
who may be on council now turning up

3986
02:45:16.720 --> 02:45:19.720
with many other people many years ago.

3987
02:45:19.920 --> 02:45:22.856
um  representing a particular part of

3988
02:45:22.880 --> 02:45:24.375
the municipality that this was happening

3989
02:45:24.399 --> 02:45:26.936
in. However, over the last decade, this

3990
02:45:26.960 --> 02:45:28.856
problem has grown. It was not just one

3991
02:45:28.880 --> 02:45:31.880
street. It was many, many streets. And

3992
02:45:32.000 --> 02:45:34.936
as our population has grown, there are

3993
02:45:34.960 --> 02:45:36.616
even more cars than there were a decade

3994
02:45:36.640 --> 02:45:39.176
ago. And yet, there are no more on

3995
02:45:39.200 --> 02:45:42.056
street car spaces. And there were never

3996
02:45:42.080 --> 02:45:44.776
enough to start with. So the problem

3997
02:45:44.800 --> 02:45:47.576
with coats and caravans is that they sit

3998
02:45:47.600 --> 02:45:50.600
there for a long period of time and it

3999
02:45:50.640 --> 02:45:53.640
essentially becomes a private space.

4000
02:45:53.920 --> 02:45:56.616
Um as opposed to cars which regularly

4001
02:45:56.640 --> 02:45:58.295
move or trailers for work which

4002
02:45:58.319 --> 02:46:00.375
regularly move and therefore through the

4003
02:46:00.399 --> 02:46:03.399
natural  process everyone gets fair or

4004
02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:06.600
reasonable access to um public  um

4005
02:46:08.240 --> 02:46:11.240
parking.

4006
02:46:11.359 --> 02:46:13.335
The trouble with caravans and boats is

4007
02:46:13.359 --> 02:46:15.736
often they're big and bulky and when

4008
02:46:15.760 --> 02:46:17.736
they sit for long periods of time out of

4009
02:46:17.760 --> 02:46:20.455
outside of any particular property, it

4010
02:46:20.479 --> 02:46:22.455
frustrates and annoys your neighbors.

4011
02:46:22.479 --> 02:46:25.255
Let me tell you this. So I understand

4012
02:46:25.279 --> 02:46:27.576
and can for the few people that do have

4013
02:46:27.600 --> 02:46:30.136
boats that have contacted us, but can I

4014
02:46:30.160 --> 02:46:32.936
tell you there are hundreds of emails on

4015
02:46:32.960 --> 02:46:34.696
the other side from the people who are

4016
02:46:34.720 --> 02:46:37.176
frustrated by the long um the taking up

4017
02:46:37.200 --> 02:46:40.200
of well you know the private use of um

4018
02:46:40.319 --> 02:46:42.536
public land that happens in their

4019
02:46:42.560 --> 02:46:44.375
streets especially when there isn't

4020
02:46:44.399 --> 02:46:47.399
enough parking.

4021
02:46:47.680 --> 02:46:49.656
We can't keep doing what we've always

4022
02:46:49.680 --> 02:46:51.976
done and hoping magically that more

4023
02:46:52.000 --> 02:46:54.776
street parking will appear. We have to

4024
02:46:54.800 --> 02:46:57.800
take a proactive management way of you

4025
02:46:57.840 --> 02:47:00.840
know a rare resource and try to um

4026
02:47:01.439 --> 02:47:04.216
manage it in best we can for most of the

4027
02:47:04.240 --> 02:47:06.936
community.

4028
02:47:06.960 --> 02:47:08.776
I need to address permits. Permits

4029
02:47:08.800 --> 02:47:10.936
actually work against the intent of the

4030
02:47:10.960 --> 02:47:13.816
actual local law. The the idea is

4031
02:47:13.840 --> 02:47:16.216
actually to stop permanent parking. If

4032
02:47:16.240 --> 02:47:19.096
you permit, what's your criteria? Then

4033
02:47:19.120 --> 02:47:20.536
we're just giving license to all of

4034
02:47:20.560 --> 02:47:22.056
those people who currently have boats

4035
02:47:22.080 --> 02:47:24.216
and caravans and store them on the lands

4036
02:47:24.240 --> 02:47:27.176
causing the problems an even more legal

4037
02:47:27.200 --> 02:47:28.696
right to keep them there for a longer

4038
02:47:28.720 --> 02:47:30.375
period of time. It actually undermines

4039
02:47:30.399 --> 02:47:32.375
what we're trying to achieve and what a

4040
02:47:32.399 --> 02:47:34.536
high percentage of the community told us

4041
02:47:34.560 --> 02:47:36.136
and have told us over many years they

4042
02:47:36.160 --> 02:47:38.696
want to achieve. So, we don't want to

4043
02:47:38.720 --> 02:47:40.216
make the problem permanent. We're just

4044
02:47:40.240 --> 02:47:43.240
trying to manage it as best we can. Um,

4045
02:47:43.600 --> 02:47:45.896
if you have a car and you have a caravan

4046
02:47:45.920 --> 02:47:47.816
store and you can store the caravan on

4047
02:47:47.840 --> 02:47:49.656
your property and then use the street

4048
02:47:49.680 --> 02:47:51.415
for your car because it moves. It gives

4049
02:47:51.439 --> 02:47:54.439
fair more fair equity of access to other

4050
02:47:55.040 --> 02:47:56.936
people in the municipality. It's not

4051
02:47:56.960 --> 02:47:59.335
perfect. It's going to inconvenience a

4052
02:47:59.359 --> 02:48:00.776
small number of people in our community

4053
02:48:00.800 --> 02:48:02.616
and I'm sorry for that. But we actually

4054
02:48:02.640 --> 02:48:05.096
have to address for the broader issue 

4055
02:48:05.120 --> 02:48:07.736
about equitable use, about private use

4056
02:48:07.760 --> 02:48:10.760
of public land. Um, and these vehicles

4057
02:48:11.279 --> 02:48:13.016
actually

4058
02:48:13.040 --> 02:48:15.415
have increased tenfold over the last

4059
02:48:15.439 --> 02:48:17.656
decade. And if it was one or two, we

4060
02:48:17.680 --> 02:48:19.016
wouldn't be having this conversation.

4061
02:48:19.040 --> 02:48:21.096
So, I really urge my fellow counselors,

4062
02:48:21.120 --> 02:48:23.176
it has been a a problem for many, many

4063
02:48:23.200 --> 02:48:26.200
years. And again, was it 75% of our

4064
02:48:26.399 --> 02:48:28.696
community told us they are in support of

4065
02:48:28.720 --> 02:48:30.375
the law as it stands. So, I'm going to

4066
02:48:30.399 --> 02:48:32.616
ask you to really back this in, please,

4067
02:48:32.640 --> 02:48:34.856
or a council holiday will be very mad at

4068
02:48:34.880 --> 02:48:36.856
me.

4069
02:48:36.880 --> 02:48:38.936
Thank you. moved. Councelor Crawford,

4070
02:48:38.960 --> 02:48:40.056
councelor Halliday.

4071
02:48:40.080 --> 02:48:43.080
 thank you councelor Crawford because

4072
02:48:44.240 --> 02:48:47.240
um as is you did um instigate this work

4073
02:48:48.720 --> 02:48:51.415
2 years ago or more um and it has been a

4074
02:48:51.439 --> 02:48:53.096
long time coming as you can see through

4075
02:48:53.120 --> 02:48:56.120
these statutory processes. Um this for

4076
02:48:57.200 --> 02:48:59.496
me started I live up near the Sin Kilda

4077
02:48:59.520 --> 02:49:02.375
Cemetery and um there's a stretch of

4078
02:49:02.399 --> 02:49:03.816
land along there that does not have

4079
02:49:03.840 --> 02:49:05.976
parking restrictions and in the pandemic

4080
02:49:06.000 --> 02:49:09.000
that became the dumping ground for every

4081
02:49:09.920 --> 02:49:12.920
trailer, boat, dog wash, caravan,

4082
02:49:14.000 --> 02:49:16.696
 food truck that anyone cared to

4083
02:49:16.720 --> 02:49:19.720
mention. We ended up with 40 um trailers

4084
02:49:20.080 --> 02:49:23.016
and caravans parked along the side of

4085
02:49:23.040 --> 02:49:25.335
the cemetery there, spilling over into

4086
02:49:25.359 --> 02:49:27.415
our residential streets and spilling

4087
02:49:27.439 --> 02:49:30.136
over around the corner. Um the neighbors

4088
02:49:30.160 --> 02:49:33.160
there had to had to raise a petition and

4089
02:49:34.960 --> 02:49:37.016
then elect to have parking permits

4090
02:49:37.040 --> 02:49:40.040
installed on that street and pay

4091
02:49:40.960 --> 02:49:43.176
every year so that they don't have

4092
02:49:43.200 --> 02:49:45.255
trailers parked out the front of their

4093
02:49:45.279 --> 02:49:48.056
houses. So now the burden is on those

4094
02:49:48.080 --> 02:49:50.136
people paying to not have the impact of

4095
02:49:50.160 --> 02:49:53.160
trailers. Um and we see here that 68%

4096
02:49:54.319 --> 02:49:56.936
70% of our people

4097
02:49:56.960 --> 02:49:59.960
have told us they don't want the free

4098
02:50:00.240 --> 02:50:02.536
use of our streets for trailers and

4099
02:50:02.560 --> 02:50:05.560
caravans and boats. Um I also note that

4100
02:50:06.640 --> 02:50:08.856
on the cover of the  the engagement

4101
02:50:08.880 --> 02:50:11.016
summary, these trailers are still there

4102
02:50:11.040 --> 02:50:12.536
parked out the front of the cemetery

4103
02:50:12.560 --> 02:50:14.295
around the corner and they've been there

4104
02:50:14.319 --> 02:50:17.319
for years. Um these impacts are real and

4105
02:50:18.640 --> 02:50:20.616
our community have have told us that

4106
02:50:20.640 --> 02:50:23.176
they've had enough of it. Um on the

4107
02:50:23.200 --> 02:50:25.255
subject of businesses while while I

4108
02:50:25.279 --> 02:50:27.976
sympathize I don't think that our public

4109
02:50:28.000 --> 02:50:30.696
realm is owed to people to run their

4110
02:50:30.720 --> 02:50:32.696
private businesses. If you have a

4111
02:50:32.720 --> 02:50:35.720
business it is your responsibility to

4112
02:50:38.000 --> 02:50:41.000
provide space and parking and other

4113
02:50:41.200 --> 02:50:43.976
things for your business to run not the

4114
02:50:44.000 --> 02:50:45.576
public realm. We don't let people run

4115
02:50:45.600 --> 02:50:48.216
their street vendor stalls out the front

4116
02:50:48.240 --> 02:50:50.295
of any old place in support of their

4117
02:50:50.319 --> 02:50:53.176
business. Um, and parking your trailer

4118
02:50:53.200 --> 02:50:55.496
on the public realm that you do business

4119
02:50:55.520 --> 02:50:57.816
with is the same thing to me

4120
02:50:57.840 --> 02:51:00.696
effectively. Um, and also let's say

4121
02:51:00.720 --> 02:51:02.776
other cities are bringing in these same

4122
02:51:02.800 --> 02:51:05.800
laws. If we do not bring in the these

4123
02:51:05.920 --> 02:51:08.455
laws, we will become the dumping ground

4124
02:51:08.479 --> 02:51:11.479
of choice for every other um city

4125
02:51:12.319 --> 02:51:14.136
whether it's Bayside or wherever you

4126
02:51:14.160 --> 02:51:17.016
have them. Glenara has the same problem

4127
02:51:17.040 --> 02:51:18.776
and no doubt they will be considering

4128
02:51:18.800 --> 02:51:20.696
similar problems. We do not want to

4129
02:51:20.720 --> 02:51:22.216
become the dumping ground for everyone

4130
02:51:22.240 --> 02:51:25.240
else's um you know  pandemic lockdown

4131
02:51:26.240 --> 02:51:29.240
um purchases. Um and finally, as I say,

4132
02:51:29.840 --> 02:51:31.656
our community supports this. our

4133
02:51:31.680 --> 02:51:33.176
community through the community

4134
02:51:33.200 --> 02:51:35.816
engagement process supported these local

4135
02:51:35.840 --> 02:51:38.840
laws um to what I would describe as a

4136
02:51:39.040 --> 02:51:42.040
super majority um not just some slim

4137
02:51:42.560 --> 02:51:45.096
majority. So I fully support this.

4138
02:51:45.120 --> 02:51:46.616
Right on time councelor Halliday.

4139
02:51:46.640 --> 02:51:49.255
Well done. Any other councilors wish to

4140
02:51:49.279 --> 02:51:50.936
speak to this item? Councelor

4141
02:51:50.960 --> 02:51:53.960
Buckingham.

4142
02:51:54.399 --> 02:51:57.016
Um, I'm going to support the change to

4143
02:51:57.040 --> 02:52:00.040
the local law tonight. Um, because the

4144
02:52:01.600 --> 02:52:03.096
storage of trailers and boats,

4145
02:52:03.120 --> 02:52:04.616
particularly along the train line along

4146
02:52:04.640 --> 02:52:07.640
Lyndon Street in Ripen Lee, is having um

4147
02:52:08.640 --> 02:52:10.776
a really negative impact on both the

4148
02:52:10.800 --> 02:52:13.016
residents that live across from it, but

4149
02:52:13.040 --> 02:52:16.040
also from the traders that  need that

4150
02:52:16.240 --> 02:52:19.240
parking for staff and customers and

4151
02:52:19.359 --> 02:52:22.359
other uses. And um in such a highly a

4152
02:52:23.760 --> 02:52:26.760
densely populated area um we really

4153
02:52:27.439 --> 02:52:30.439
every inch of land needs to be optimized

4154
02:52:30.560 --> 02:52:33.560
and used um effectively.

4155
02:52:34.000 --> 02:52:35.816
I do have concerns that whenever you

4156
02:52:35.840 --> 02:52:37.816
change a local law, there are unintended

4157
02:52:37.840 --> 02:52:40.840
consequences. And I know that in my

4158
02:52:41.920 --> 02:52:44.920
ward, , people do need gardeners, dog

4159
02:52:46.000 --> 02:52:47.576
groomers,

4160
02:52:47.600 --> 02:52:49.415
tradies, builders, and I'm concerned

4161
02:52:49.439 --> 02:52:52.439
that if people can't, um, have utility

4162
02:52:53.600 --> 02:52:55.415
vehicles that there could be an

4163
02:52:55.439 --> 02:52:57.656
unintended consequence that we'll lose

4164
02:52:57.680 --> 02:53:00.680
those trades from the local area um,

4165
02:53:01.040 --> 02:53:03.096
which would have a negative impact.

4166
02:53:03.120 --> 02:53:04.696
Sorry, point of order. They can have

4167
02:53:04.720 --> 02:53:06.136
utility vehicles,

4168
02:53:06.160 --> 02:53:08.295
but trailers and like I can picture

4169
02:53:08.319 --> 02:53:10.216
them. I can picture the garden the

4170
02:53:10.240 --> 02:53:11.656
garden if they attach their

4171
02:53:11.680 --> 02:53:13.496
trailers and and trucks,

4172
02:53:13.520 --> 02:53:16.520
but I am comforted by the offic's um

4173
02:53:18.080 --> 02:53:19.656
description of how we're going to

4174
02:53:19.680 --> 02:53:22.680
implement this local law. So, I um

4175
02:53:24.080 --> 02:53:25.816
believe that we've got the balance right

4176
02:53:25.840 --> 02:53:28.840
between um preventing the storage of

4177
02:53:29.279 --> 02:53:31.335
recreational

4178
02:53:31.359 --> 02:53:34.359
vehicles on our precious land. Um and I

4179
02:53:36.319 --> 02:53:38.616
appreciate the CEO's

4180
02:53:38.640 --> 02:53:40.536
um confirmation that we will have a

4181
02:53:40.560 --> 02:53:42.856
report back to see

4182
02:53:42.880 --> 02:53:45.736
um what other impacts such a change

4183
02:53:45.760 --> 02:53:48.760
might have on the area. Um, and I know

4184
02:53:49.439 --> 02:53:50.696
that there will be a lot of Ripley

4185
02:53:50.720 --> 02:53:52.056
residents that are very happy and

4186
02:53:52.080 --> 02:53:54.056
traders very happy to see this law come

4187
02:53:54.080 --> 02:53:55.576
into effect.

4188
02:53:55.600 --> 02:53:57.335
Thank you, Councelor Buckingham. Any

4189
02:53:57.359 --> 02:54:00.359
other councilors wish to speak?

4190
02:54:00.800 --> 02:54:03.800
Councelor J.

4191
02:54:05.840 --> 02:54:08.840
Um, I have really grave concerns like

4192
02:54:09.040 --> 02:54:10.696
councelor Buckingham does about the

4193
02:54:10.720 --> 02:54:13.720
unintended consequences of this. I would

4194
02:54:13.840 --> 02:54:16.056
have liked to spend some more time on

4195
02:54:16.080 --> 02:54:19.080
this. Um, with the permits, I mentioned

4196
02:54:19.359 --> 02:54:21.176
the word permits about everything these

4197
02:54:21.200 --> 02:54:22.776
days. So hopefully when we look at the

4198
02:54:22.800 --> 02:54:25.800
parking strategy, we can look at that.

4199
02:54:25.840 --> 02:54:27.656
Um, I'm concerned about the impact on

4200
02:54:27.680 --> 02:54:30.056
commercial vehicles. I'm concerned about

4201
02:54:30.080 --> 02:54:33.080
the impact on um, people's livelihoods

4202
02:54:33.600 --> 02:54:36.600
and their mental health. Um, I think the

4203
02:54:36.720 --> 02:54:39.720
survey said 56 people objected to this

4204
02:54:39.920 --> 02:54:41.656
and u, predominantly they were the

4205
02:54:41.680 --> 02:54:43.656
people that own

4206
02:54:43.680 --> 02:54:46.680
vehicles that will be affected. Um,

4207
02:54:46.720 --> 02:54:49.016
personally I don't want to support this.

4208
02:54:49.040 --> 02:54:52.040
Um, but professionally I sort of need to

4209
02:54:52.240 --> 02:54:55.016
because the truth of it is

4210
02:54:55.040 --> 02:54:57.496
most of my residents wanted it to go

4211
02:54:57.520 --> 02:55:00.520
further. Um, they wanted it to go on the

4212
02:55:00.640 --> 02:55:02.455
bigger vans. They wanted it to go on the

4213
02:55:02.479 --> 02:55:05.479
longer vans. And there was certainly um

4214
02:55:06.880 --> 02:55:09.880
um most of my community did want this um

4215
02:55:12.640 --> 02:55:15.640
didn't want the caravans on the land.

4216
02:55:15.920 --> 02:55:17.415
Um,

4217
02:55:17.439 --> 02:55:20.295
so I do understand the community and I

4218
02:55:20.319 --> 02:55:22.696
do as an elected counselor need to vote

4219
02:55:22.720 --> 02:55:24.776
for what my community wants and my

4220
02:55:24.800 --> 02:55:27.800
community um supports this. So  I will

4221
02:55:29.600 --> 02:55:32.536
be begrudgingly support it because that

4222
02:55:32.560 --> 02:55:35.560
is what the community wants. Um

4223
02:55:36.800 --> 02:55:39.016
thank you councelor Buckingham for that

4224
02:55:39.040 --> 02:55:40.936
non- amendment amendment. I do look

4225
02:55:40.960 --> 02:55:43.896
forward to the report in 12 months to

4226
02:55:43.920 --> 02:55:46.455
see if  there is any unintended

4227
02:55:46.479 --> 02:55:47.976
consequences.

4228
02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:50.056
Um we've just sent a message to people

4229
02:55:50.080 --> 02:55:53.080
if you want big trailers and caravans

4230
02:55:53.760 --> 02:55:55.576
don't come to Port Phillip or get

4231
02:55:55.600 --> 02:55:58.600
yourself some storage. Um Marcel, I'm a

4232
02:55:59.279 --> 02:56:00.936
bit of a bleeding heart and once people

4233
02:56:00.960 --> 02:56:03.096
come and speak, I can't help but have

4234
02:56:03.120 --> 02:56:05.976
compassion for them. You, my young

4235
02:56:06.000 --> 02:56:07.576
friend, will need to camouflage your

4236
02:56:07.600 --> 02:56:09.335
boat in gum leaves and move it around

4237
02:56:09.359 --> 02:56:12.359
every 14 days potentially. Um,

4238
02:56:14.080 --> 02:56:17.080
I will support this through gritted

4239
02:56:17.840 --> 02:56:20.840
teeth. Thank you for the motion.

4240
02:56:21.040 --> 02:56:23.736
Thank you, Councelor J. Deputy Mayor

4241
02:56:23.760 --> 02:56:26.455
Mes.

4242
02:56:26.479 --> 02:56:29.479
Thank you  for that, Mayor M. Um in

4243
02:56:31.680 --> 02:56:34.455
regard to this, we are in a rapidly

4244
02:56:34.479 --> 02:56:37.255
changing world.  the issue with

4245
02:56:37.279 --> 02:56:40.279
caravans um and boats I suppose, but in

4246
02:56:41.200 --> 02:56:43.415
dealing with caravans

4247
02:56:43.439 --> 02:56:45.096
essentially

4248
02:56:45.120 --> 02:56:48.120
 people use them um sporadically 

4249
02:56:49.840 --> 02:56:51.496
during the year and the rest of the time

4250
02:56:51.520 --> 02:56:54.375
they've got to park them somewhere. Um,

4251
02:56:54.399 --> 02:56:56.375
like all things, there's an opportunity

4252
02:56:56.399 --> 02:56:58.776
for people with caravans to put them in

4253
02:56:58.800 --> 02:57:01.800
a safe and secure environment and those

4254
02:57:02.000 --> 02:57:04.455
those are available

4255
02:57:04.479 --> 02:57:07.479
as Nelly Montigue has noted and would

4256
02:57:07.920 --> 02:57:10.920
make people aware of where those places

4257
02:57:10.960 --> 02:57:13.960
are. Also, Nelly Migu has pointed out

4258
02:57:14.640 --> 02:57:17.640
that um in the event that this needs to

4259
02:57:17.760 --> 02:57:20.760
be revisited, that can happen. And you

4260
02:57:21.120 --> 02:57:24.120
know, in chasing the perfect um we've

4261
02:57:24.560 --> 02:57:26.616
got to make sure that we get something

4262
02:57:26.640 --> 02:57:29.176
done. I agree with councelor Crawford.

4263
02:57:29.200 --> 02:57:32.200
 there there needs to be a change here

4264
02:57:32.800 --> 02:57:35.800
um which may in time require further

4265
02:57:36.960 --> 02:57:39.576
tweaking but simply leaving it as it

4266
02:57:39.600 --> 02:57:42.600
stands is not enough. Personally I feel

4267
02:57:43.520 --> 02:57:46.056
the the the total package here doesn't

4268
02:57:46.080 --> 02:57:49.080
go far enough but I accept that

4269
02:57:50.000 --> 02:57:51.816
something needs to happen and I

4270
02:57:51.840 --> 02:57:54.455
certainly will be supporting this 

4271
02:57:54.479 --> 02:57:56.696
recommendation. Thank you.

4272
02:57:56.720 --> 02:57:59.496
Thank you, Deputy Mayor M. Councelor

4273
02:57:59.520 --> 02:58:01.816
Hardy.

4274
02:58:01.840 --> 02:58:04.840
 since  1999, I've seen a gradual

4275
02:58:04.960 --> 02:58:07.816
increase in the parking of of these

4276
02:58:07.840 --> 02:58:10.840
types of vehicles in our area. And of

4277
02:58:10.880 --> 02:58:13.880
course,  the eye of the neighbors and

4278
02:58:14.160 --> 02:58:16.136
the persons that live around the corners

4279
02:58:16.160 --> 02:58:17.816
or live around the streets. And of

4280
02:58:17.840 --> 02:58:20.455
course, I'm experiencing now abandoned

4281
02:58:20.479 --> 02:58:22.295
vehicles being stripped for parts by

4282
02:58:22.319 --> 02:58:24.295
their owners as well. So, at least we've

4283
02:58:24.319 --> 02:58:26.696
got something to combat an abandoned

4284
02:58:26.720 --> 02:58:29.096
vehicle. We need to draw a line in the

4285
02:58:29.120 --> 02:58:32.120
sand and um this is it. No opportunity.

4286
02:58:33.439 --> 02:58:36.439
Thank you, Councelor Hardy.

4287
02:58:37.439 --> 02:58:40.439
I think  I'll pass back to the mover

4288
02:58:40.640 --> 02:58:43.415
who may wish to close.

4289
02:58:43.439 --> 02:58:44.936
So, yes, we're always looking for new

4290
02:58:44.960 --> 02:58:46.295
revenue sources. So, I do think

4291
02:58:46.319 --> 02:58:48.216
councilors that may be our next task is

4292
02:58:48.240 --> 02:58:51.240
to contemplate where we can set up a

4293
02:58:51.279 --> 02:58:54.279
storage vehicle. um place for for this.

4294
02:58:55.279 --> 02:58:58.279
No, that's obviously my joke. I um thank

4295
02:58:58.319 --> 02:58:59.496
you for to everyone who's come and

4296
02:58:59.520 --> 02:59:00.696
spoken tonight. Thank you for the people

4297
02:59:00.720 --> 02:59:02.696
that have contacted us, the many on all

4298
02:59:02.720 --> 02:59:05.255
sides of the argument. Um we have to

4299
02:59:05.279 --> 02:59:08.279
make hard yet imperfect decisions. But

4300
02:59:08.880 --> 02:59:11.415
in this one, this is an on longgoing

4301
02:59:11.439 --> 02:59:14.136
problem that we have to address. Um as I

4302
02:59:14.160 --> 02:59:15.576
said, if we had plenty of space, we

4303
02:59:15.600 --> 02:59:17.016
would not be having this discussion and

4304
02:59:17.040 --> 02:59:18.856
making this decision tonight. Um thank

4305
02:59:18.880 --> 02:59:20.216
you councilors. It sounds like it's

4306
02:59:20.240 --> 02:59:21.576
going to get over the line, so I thank

4307
02:59:21.600 --> 02:59:23.816
you. Um, we'll look to the impacts in a

4308
02:59:23.840 --> 02:59:25.736
in a year, but just a few of the

4309
02:59:25.760 --> 02:59:27.096
streets, you could throw more at me.

4310
02:59:27.120 --> 02:59:29.576
Mitford Street in Elwood, Alma Road in

4311
02:59:29.600 --> 02:59:32.216
East St Kilda, Lynen Street in Ripenley.

4312
02:59:32.240 --> 02:59:33.576
I know there's one in Port Melbourne,

4313
02:59:33.600 --> 02:59:35.016
but these are all the ones where have

4314
02:59:35.040 --> 02:59:38.040
become homes, , you know, faux storage

4315
02:59:38.080 --> 02:59:40.856
centers in our city. And if we would put

4316
02:59:40.880 --> 02:59:43.255
parking restrictions like we did on

4317
02:59:43.279 --> 02:59:45.496
Alexander Street, all it does is move

4318
02:59:45.520 --> 02:59:46.616
them to another part of the

4319
02:59:46.640 --> 02:59:48.455
municipality, which just makes a

4320
02:59:48.479 --> 02:59:49.896
different, you know, frustrating for the

4321
02:59:49.920 --> 02:59:51.496
different group of of people. So, we're

4322
02:59:51.520 --> 02:59:53.176
actually trying to address it fairly

4323
02:59:53.200 --> 02:59:55.335
equitably across the municipality and

4324
02:59:55.359 --> 02:59:58.359
and long-term um I do believe this will

4325
02:59:59.040 --> 03:00:01.335
this will improve accessibility for

4326
03:00:01.359 --> 03:00:03.255
people in cars that need that as a

4327
03:00:03.279 --> 03:00:06.279
higher priority in a in a highly dense

4328
03:00:06.319 --> 03:00:07.176
city. Thank you.

4329
03:00:07.200 --> 03:00:08.696
Thank you, Councelor Crawford, for

4330
03:00:08.720 --> 03:00:10.696
closing the debate. The motion is now

4331
03:00:10.720 --> 03:00:13.720
being put. All those in favor

4332
03:00:14.319 --> 03:00:17.319
that is carried unanimously.

4333
03:00:19.680 --> 03:00:22.375
Well done. a long journey.

4334
03:00:22.399 --> 03:00:25.335
 we may bring back councelor Cunsolo.

4335
03:00:25.359 --> 03:00:28.359
Welcome back.

4336
03:00:32.160 --> 03:00:33.656
Probably the most productive time this

4337
03:00:33.680 --> 03:00:36.680
evening.

4338
03:00:38.000 --> 03:00:39.976
 we are coming close to that three and

4339
03:00:40.000 --> 03:00:41.896
a half hour mark. So I'm going to do the

4340
03:00:41.920 --> 03:00:44.216
call for the half hour extension current

4341
03:00:44.240 --> 03:00:46.056
now. Move. Councelor Halliday.

4342
03:00:46.080 --> 03:00:48.136
Seconded councelor Gonalo procedural

4343
03:00:48.160 --> 03:00:50.375
motion. Let's put it.

4344
03:00:50.399 --> 03:00:53.399
We are voting for a half hour extension.

4345
03:00:55.680 --> 03:00:58.680
That is carried unanimously. Thank you.

4346
03:00:58.880 --> 03:01:01.880
We're allowed to continue to 10:30.

4347
03:01:02.640 --> 03:01:05.640
That now takes us to item 12.1,

4348
03:01:06.880 --> 03:01:09.880
the 2026 strategic membership review.

4349
03:01:10.800 --> 03:01:13.800
Any questions for officers on this item?

4350
03:01:16.560 --> 03:01:19.560
No questions.

4351
03:01:21.200 --> 03:01:24.056
, sorry. This is item 12.1. This is

4352
03:01:24.080 --> 03:01:26.455
the strategic membership review. If we

4353
03:01:26.479 --> 03:01:29.479
can get that onto the screen.

4354
03:01:31.439 --> 03:01:34.295
All right. We have Do we have a mover to

4355
03:01:34.319 --> 03:01:37.319
this item?

4356
03:01:38.399 --> 03:01:40.776
It's within the

4357
03:01:40.800 --> 03:01:41.656
Y.

4358
03:01:41.680 --> 03:01:42.856
What would you like to clarify?

4359
03:01:42.880 --> 03:01:45.880
Councelor Halliday.

4360
03:01:46.640 --> 03:01:49.640
Yep. So,

4361
03:01:53.600 --> 03:01:55.656
so we have two options here. So, whoever

4362
03:01:55.680 --> 03:01:58.680
moves it will need to move

4363
03:01:58.720 --> 03:02:01.720
 3.31 or 3.32 and 3.41 or 3.42.

4364
03:02:05.760 --> 03:02:07.816
, you can still ask questions. No

4365
03:02:07.840 --> 03:02:10.295
one's moved it yet. Yes, Councelor Jay.

4366
03:02:10.319 --> 03:02:12.696
Um, it may be in the papers. I'm not

4367
03:02:12.720 --> 03:02:15.255
thinking. What is the financial cost of

4368
03:02:15.279 --> 03:02:18.279
all these memberships?

4369
03:02:19.200 --> 03:02:22.200
 sorry.  the question was James was

4370
03:02:22.240 --> 03:02:23.736
playing with the working through the

4371
03:02:23.760 --> 03:02:25.335
screen. Basically the question was

4372
03:02:25.359 --> 03:02:26.455
what's the total cost of those

4373
03:02:26.479 --> 03:02:28.616
memberships? Was that correct?

4374
03:02:28.640 --> 03:02:30.295
 thank you for the question councelor

4375
03:02:30.319 --> 03:02:32.136
Jay and through you may  the total

4376
03:02:32.160 --> 03:02:35.160
cost collectively of the  one two the

4377
03:02:36.080 --> 03:02:38.696
seven strategic memberships that we are

4378
03:02:38.720 --> 03:02:41.720
a member of is $195,000 annually. Now,

4379
03:02:42.880 --> 03:02:45.016
um, what that does is provide council

4380
03:02:45.040 --> 03:02:46.936
access to a range of collective advocacy

4381
03:02:46.960 --> 03:02:49.176
opportunities, grants opportunities,

4382
03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:51.816
shared resource pooling, , training

4383
03:02:51.840 --> 03:02:54.616
opportunities, , and a range of other,

4384
03:02:54.640 --> 03:02:56.536
um, supports for our organization as

4385
03:02:56.560 --> 03:02:58.936
well.

4386
03:02:58.960 --> 03:03:00.375
It's probably a bit of a difficult

4387
03:03:00.399 --> 03:03:03.399
question, James. Um,

4388
03:03:04.319 --> 03:03:05.816
I don't want to get yelled at. Not no

4389
03:03:05.840 --> 03:03:07.496
one yells in here. They're all very

4390
03:03:07.520 --> 03:03:10.520
nice. Um, most of them are. Um  what

4391
03:03:11.840 --> 03:03:14.840
is do you have a value can you attach a

4392
03:03:14.880 --> 03:03:16.936
dollar value to what we gain from being

4393
03:03:16.960 --> 03:03:18.696
part of these organizations because I

4394
03:03:18.720 --> 03:03:21.720
know we get grants and they're fantastic

4395
03:03:22.960 --> 03:03:25.096
 through you mayor and thank you

4396
03:03:25.120 --> 03:03:26.616
councelor Jay it's a good question we

4397
03:03:26.640 --> 03:03:28.616
don't have an algorithm that we kind of

4398
03:03:28.640 --> 03:03:30.936
attach a return on investment value to

4399
03:03:30.960 --> 03:03:33.496
it um that's why we undertake um this

4400
03:03:33.520 --> 03:03:35.335
level of review so councilors have

4401
03:03:35.359 --> 03:03:37.496
transparency around the return on

4402
03:03:37.520 --> 03:03:38.936
investment and what council actually

4403
03:03:38.960 --> 03:03:40.616
does receive from these memberships.

4404
03:03:40.640 --> 03:03:43.640
Like um any council membership in this

4405
03:03:43.680 --> 03:03:46.136
space really the return on investment is

4406
03:03:46.160 --> 03:03:47.816
what council puts into it and how much

4407
03:03:47.840 --> 03:03:50.840
council engages with these memberships

4408
03:03:52.399 --> 03:03:54.056
through you may and I think the officers

4409
03:03:54.080 --> 03:03:55.415
have really tried hard to give you a

4410
03:03:55.439 --> 03:03:56.856
qualitative

4411
03:03:56.880 --> 03:03:59.880
overview of what the value is and what

4412
03:04:00.080 --> 03:04:01.816
the implications of not proceeding with

4413
03:04:01.840 --> 03:04:04.455
it might be um and a sense of how we

4414
03:04:04.479 --> 03:04:06.616
might improve value. And I think overall

4415
03:04:06.640 --> 03:04:08.216
um majority of them give fairly good

4416
03:04:08.240 --> 03:04:09.496
value and there's some that are a bit

4417
03:04:09.520 --> 03:04:10.936
marginal and we'd need to look at

4418
03:04:10.960 --> 03:04:12.856
differently. But that's a decision for

4419
03:04:12.880 --> 03:04:15.816
you to make tonight.

4420
03:04:15.840 --> 03:04:18.840
One more question. Um if this goes

4421
03:04:19.200 --> 03:04:20.616
through tonight, when do we get to

4422
03:04:20.640 --> 03:04:23.640
re-evaluate it again?

4423
03:04:24.240 --> 03:04:26.455
 thank you councelor Jane through you

4424
03:04:26.479 --> 03:04:29.479
may. Um so this is now my sixth

4425
03:04:29.680 --> 03:04:31.896
strategic membership review since 

4426
03:04:31.920 --> 03:04:34.920
2019. And I think in 2022 we made the

4427
03:04:35.760 --> 03:04:38.760
decision to review every 2 years.  so

4428
03:04:39.040 --> 03:04:42.040
the next one would be in 2028. What I

4429
03:04:42.319 --> 03:04:45.319
would flag is  option I think 3.4.2

4430
03:04:47.600 --> 03:04:50.600
um suggests that if VGA was um

4431
03:04:51.600 --> 03:04:53.656
considered for renewal for an extra year

4432
03:04:53.680 --> 03:04:55.096
within the next 6 months we would

4433
03:04:55.120 --> 03:04:58.120
undertake a further review of ELGA.

4434
03:05:01.359 --> 03:05:04.359
Any further questions?

4435
03:05:06.000 --> 03:05:08.455
Yep. You may move. , so you're moving

4436
03:05:08.479 --> 03:05:11.479
the recommendation and we have an option

4437
03:05:12.000 --> 03:05:15.000
there for 3.31 or 3.32 around the

4438
03:05:15.120 --> 03:05:16.536
committee for Melbourne.

4439
03:05:16.560 --> 03:05:19.560
Yeah. Can I move the um, sorry, I'm

4440
03:05:19.600 --> 03:05:22.600
trying to page back up. Can I So, I move

4441
03:05:23.840 --> 03:05:25.016
part one, right?

4442
03:05:25.040 --> 03:05:28.040
Yep. And then can I

4443
03:05:28.479 --> 03:05:30.856
move option

4444
03:05:30.880 --> 03:05:32.455
two

4445
03:05:32.479 --> 03:05:33.335
of

4446
03:05:33.359 --> 03:05:33.816
Yep.

4447
03:05:33.840 --> 03:05:35.496
part two.

4448
03:05:35.520 --> 03:05:36.136
Yes.

4449
03:05:36.160 --> 03:05:37.816
And

4450
03:05:37.840 --> 03:05:40.136
um and the new option

4451
03:05:40.160 --> 03:05:41.016
option

4452
03:05:41.040 --> 03:05:43.255
of part

4453
03:05:43.279 --> 03:05:43.896
three.

4454
03:05:43.920 --> 03:05:45.255
Yep.

4455
03:05:45.279 --> 03:05:46.295
Um

4456
03:05:46.319 --> 03:05:48.856
so 3.32 and 3.42.

4457
03:05:48.880 --> 03:05:50.936
Yeah. Do I need to read these  given

4458
03:05:50.960 --> 03:05:53.576
the thing or are we

4459
03:05:53.600 --> 03:05:54.216
No,

4460
03:05:54.240 --> 03:05:55.976
that's okay. All right. And we've got

4461
03:05:56.000 --> 03:05:58.856
the amendment there. So, just to be

4462
03:05:58.880 --> 03:06:00.455
clear,

4463
03:06:00.479 --> 03:06:03.479
we're we're renewing ABM, M9, MTF, MAV,

4464
03:06:05.680 --> 03:06:08.680
SECA. We're not renewing committee for

4465
03:06:08.960 --> 03:06:11.960
Melbourne and we're renewing um VGA 

4466
03:06:12.640 --> 03:06:15.640
for one year and doing a review in 6

4467
03:06:16.560 --> 03:06:18.455
months.

4468
03:06:18.479 --> 03:06:20.375
Thank you, councelor Halliday. They

4469
03:06:20.399 --> 03:06:23.399
have a mover. Is there a second to

4470
03:06:24.640 --> 03:06:26.856
councelor Halliday? That is seconded.

4471
03:06:26.880 --> 03:06:29.880
Councelor Hardy.

4472
03:06:31.600 --> 03:06:34.600
Does the mover wish to speak?  yes, I

4473
03:06:34.960 --> 03:06:36.776
do. Um

4474
03:06:36.800 --> 03:06:39.576
while sometimes um people question the

4475
03:06:39.600 --> 03:06:42.216
value of our membership  in these

4476
03:06:42.240 --> 03:06:43.896
organizations

4477
03:06:43.920 --> 03:06:46.920
um our value um a is tangible dollar

4478
03:06:48.720 --> 03:06:51.720
benefits for us as an organization um

4479
03:06:52.000 --> 03:06:54.536
but also intangible benefits from these

4480
03:06:54.560 --> 03:06:57.096
organizations through their combined

4481
03:06:57.120 --> 03:07:00.120
advocacy um and other um knowledge

4482
03:07:01.040 --> 03:07:03.335
sharing and collaboration opportunities

4483
03:07:03.359 --> 03:07:06.359
for them. Um I am a delegate on several

4484
03:07:07.120 --> 03:07:09.335
of these and others here are delegates

4485
03:07:09.359 --> 03:07:12.359
on um other organizations.  and

4486
03:07:13.520 --> 03:07:16.520
through these we learn um a lot more

4487
03:07:16.640 --> 03:07:19.640
from our other council  delegates the

4488
03:07:19.760 --> 03:07:21.656
other counselors that are members here

4489
03:07:21.680 --> 03:07:24.216
um than than they probably learn from us

4490
03:07:24.240 --> 03:07:26.776
individually. So the collective value of

4491
03:07:26.800 --> 03:07:29.800
these  these organizations is huge. Um

4492
03:07:30.160 --> 03:07:32.856
to your question um councelor Jay about

4493
03:07:32.880 --> 03:07:35.335
the tangible values there something like

4494
03:07:35.359 --> 03:07:38.359
SECA um has  delivered um through its

4495
03:07:40.080 --> 03:07:43.080
grant funding um I think it was $13

4496
03:07:43.760 --> 03:07:46.760
million worth of grants um that they

4497
03:07:46.800 --> 03:07:49.576
have achieved and I think there's um

4498
03:07:49.600 --> 03:07:52.600
also value through their carbon diox CO2

4499
03:07:53.840 --> 03:07:56.840
emissions reduction. Um and finally

4500
03:07:57.200 --> 03:07:59.415
their kind of the value of the projects

4501
03:07:59.439 --> 03:08:01.255
that they have initiated that we have

4502
03:08:01.279 --> 03:08:03.656
collaborated in. So many of them do

4503
03:08:03.680 --> 03:08:06.056
deliver um tangible and intangible

4504
03:08:06.080 --> 03:08:09.080
benefits  to us. Um so I support 

4505
03:08:10.640 --> 03:08:13.576
maintenance  and ongoing commitment to

4506
03:08:13.600 --> 03:08:16.600
these um  these  forums  and

4507
03:08:18.479 --> 03:08:20.136
organizations that we are participating

4508
03:08:20.160 --> 03:08:23.160
within. and I um encourage my  fellow

4509
03:08:23.600 --> 03:08:25.816
councilors to also support our

4510
03:08:25.840 --> 03:08:27.656
engagement with them.

4511
03:08:27.680 --> 03:08:29.176
Thank you, Councelor Halliday. Does

4512
03:08:29.200 --> 03:08:30.696
the second wish to speak? Councelor

4513
03:08:30.720 --> 03:08:32.136
Hardy.

4514
03:08:32.160 --> 03:08:33.736
I certainly agree with Councelor

4515
03:08:33.760 --> 03:08:36.760
Halliday's  words. Um the rate

4516
03:08:37.600 --> 03:08:39.816
payers might be a bit  taken aback

4517
03:08:39.840 --> 03:08:41.415
with the amount the total amount of

4518
03:08:41.439 --> 03:08:43.415
money we spend on these associations and

4519
03:08:43.439 --> 03:08:45.176
memberships, but I can assure them that

4520
03:08:45.200 --> 03:08:48.200
we do get a lot of value from them. but

4521
03:08:48.560 --> 03:08:51.096
also with our  the amendment in

4522
03:08:51.120 --> 03:08:53.176
relation to reviewing our membership of

4523
03:08:53.200 --> 03:08:56.200
the VGA be certain that we do not just

4524
03:08:57.200 --> 03:09:00.200
ad hocly join these  organizations for

4525
03:09:00.960 --> 03:09:03.496
fun.

4526
03:09:03.520 --> 03:09:05.335
Thank you. The secondary has spoken. Any

4527
03:09:05.359 --> 03:09:08.359
other councilors wish to speak?

4528
03:09:09.439 --> 03:09:12.439
Councelor Jay.

4529
03:09:14.479 --> 03:09:17.479
Um, a lot of memberships do support

4530
03:09:17.920 --> 03:09:20.920
staff and counselors in  the city of

4531
03:09:21.600 --> 03:09:24.600
Port Phillip. Um,

4532
03:09:24.880 --> 03:09:27.880
I think when I look at it

4533
03:09:29.600 --> 03:09:32.600
and I look at things like $82,000 for

4534
03:09:33.359 --> 03:09:35.736
the MAV, the Municipal Association of

4535
03:09:35.760 --> 03:09:38.375
Victoria, I do start to question

4536
03:09:38.399 --> 03:09:41.096
practically if um I personally am

4537
03:09:41.120 --> 03:09:44.120
getting um 

4538
03:09:44.479 --> 03:09:47.016
much out of this group in saying that.

4539
03:09:47.040 --> 03:09:48.856
But I do know that they have a large

4540
03:09:48.880 --> 03:09:50.936
part in

4541
03:09:50.960 --> 03:09:53.176
the community and local government. Um

4542
03:09:53.200 --> 03:09:56.200
the truth is it's a lot of money. Um

4543
03:09:59.359 --> 03:10:02.359
I am questioning some of these. So I

4544
03:10:03.520 --> 03:10:06.520
will look forward to everyone's debate

4545
03:10:06.880 --> 03:10:09.880
to understand the value of some of

4546
03:10:10.080 --> 03:10:11.976
these.

4547
03:10:12.000 --> 03:10:13.976
Good then we extended the time. 

4548
03:10:14.000 --> 03:10:15.816
councelor Jay has spoken. Any other

4549
03:10:15.840 --> 03:10:18.840
counselors wish to speak?

4550
03:10:23.840 --> 03:10:26.840
 I may add to the debate here and I

4551
03:10:27.439 --> 03:10:29.096
think it's a fair question questioning

4552
03:10:29.120 --> 03:10:31.656
the value of our strategic memberships

4553
03:10:31.680 --> 03:10:34.536
and  if I may give one example, the

4554
03:10:34.560 --> 03:10:37.176
Metro and Transport Forum  as a

4555
03:10:37.200 --> 03:10:39.976
council we contribute less than $5,000

4556
03:10:40.000 --> 03:10:43.000
in an annual membership fee. Through the

4557
03:10:43.200 --> 03:10:45.255
recent state budget, there was a $100

4558
03:10:45.279 --> 03:10:47.415
million announcement for upgraded bus

4559
03:10:47.439 --> 03:10:49.496
services and that was the strength of

4560
03:10:49.520 --> 03:10:51.976
the collective advocacy of the Metro and

4561
03:10:52.000 --> 03:10:54.216
Transport Forum amongst many other

4562
03:10:54.240 --> 03:10:56.776
advocates in calling for that funding

4563
03:10:56.800 --> 03:10:59.016
commitment. Now, I want that to go

4564
03:10:59.040 --> 03:11:01.255
further and as many of you know, there

4565
03:11:01.279 --> 03:11:02.856
are particular bus routes in Port

4566
03:11:02.880 --> 03:11:05.096
Phillip I like to talk about that need

4567
03:11:05.120 --> 03:11:07.496
service upgrades, but we are more likely

4568
03:11:07.520 --> 03:11:09.335
to get that when we actually speak with

4569
03:11:09.359 --> 03:11:11.736
a collective voice across the sector.

4570
03:11:11.760 --> 03:11:13.496
And to be fair to the government, you

4571
03:11:13.520 --> 03:11:15.736
know, that 100 million injection in bus

4572
03:11:15.760 --> 03:11:17.415
services is actually one of the most

4573
03:11:17.439 --> 03:11:19.816
substantive investment in bus upgrades

4574
03:11:19.840 --> 03:11:22.536
in a while. So that is the strength of

4575
03:11:22.560 --> 03:11:24.455
collective advocacy. Now, that is a damn

4576
03:11:24.479 --> 03:11:27.255
good rate of return for less than

4577
03:11:27.279 --> 03:11:29.415
$5,000.

4578
03:11:29.439 --> 03:11:31.255
That is the strength of collective

4579
03:11:31.279 --> 03:11:32.936
involvement. Councelor Halliday

4580
03:11:32.960 --> 03:11:35.736
shared other examples. Yes, this costs

4581
03:11:35.760 --> 03:11:38.760
money. Yes, I know advocacy is difficult

4582
03:11:39.680 --> 03:11:42.680
to measure and advocacy is also lumpy.

4583
03:11:43.040 --> 03:11:45.656
You don't always get results every time.

4584
03:11:45.680 --> 03:11:47.496
And we saw an agenda item here this

4585
03:11:47.520 --> 03:11:49.176
evening where, you know, it doesn't

4586
03:11:49.200 --> 03:11:52.200
always work. But advocacy also requires

4587
03:11:52.720 --> 03:11:54.856
persistence. It also requires many

4588
03:11:54.880 --> 03:11:57.880
voices. It also requires a coordinated

4589
03:11:58.160 --> 03:12:01.160
measure of advocacy as well. And when

4590
03:12:01.200 --> 03:12:04.200
you succeed in advocacy, you often get

4591
03:12:04.240 --> 03:12:07.016
paid the results in dividends. So this

4592
03:12:07.040 --> 03:12:09.496
is why strategic memberships are really

4593
03:12:09.520 --> 03:12:12.455
important in this sector. Yes, it might

4594
03:12:12.479 --> 03:12:14.696
always be an easy target to query and

4595
03:12:14.720 --> 03:12:16.616
yes, we should give it some rigor and we

4596
03:12:16.640 --> 03:12:18.936
have this evening in the choices we

4597
03:12:18.960 --> 03:12:21.960
made, but we are better off advocating,

4598
03:12:22.080 --> 03:12:23.896
being part of others around common

4599
03:12:23.920 --> 03:12:26.375
advocacy and getting the results that

4600
03:12:26.399 --> 03:12:28.375
we've been able to achieve. I commend

4601
03:12:28.399 --> 03:12:30.295
the recommendation and my council

4602
03:12:30.319 --> 03:12:31.576
colleagues who have spoken in favor of

4603
03:12:31.600 --> 03:12:33.896
this.

4604
03:12:33.920 --> 03:12:35.496
One last call for other councilors.

4605
03:12:35.520 --> 03:12:37.976
Otherwise, the clo mover may wish to

4606
03:12:38.000 --> 03:12:41.000
close.  let's put the vote.

4607
03:12:41.279 --> 03:12:43.976
It has been put. So therefore, all those

4608
03:12:44.000 --> 03:12:46.536
in favor,

4609
03:12:46.560 --> 03:12:49.560
it is carried unanimously.

4610
03:12:50.080 --> 03:12:53.080
Yep.

4611
03:12:53.840 --> 03:12:56.375
Is 12.1

4612
03:12:56.399 --> 03:12:59.096
12.2 Two

4613
03:12:59.120 --> 03:13:01.335
questions for officers

4614
03:13:01.359 --> 03:13:03.415
councelor monthly expense reporting for

4615
03:13:03.439 --> 03:13:06.439
May 2026.

4616
03:13:06.800 --> 03:13:09.800
We do have a recommendation before us.

4617
03:13:12.000 --> 03:13:13.496
Move the recommendation. Councelor

4618
03:13:13.520 --> 03:13:16.520
Halliday. Do we have a seconder?

4619
03:13:18.560 --> 03:13:21.096
Seconded. Council Cunsolo. Does the mover

4620
03:13:21.120 --> 03:13:22.536
wish to speak?

4621
03:13:22.560 --> 03:13:24.696
Does the second wish to speak? Any other

4622
03:13:24.720 --> 03:13:27.096
counselors wish to speak?

4623
03:13:27.120 --> 03:13:29.176
In which case the motion will be does

4624
03:13:29.200 --> 03:13:31.415
the mover wish to close in which case

4625
03:13:31.439 --> 03:13:33.415
now the motion will be put. All those in

4626
03:13:33.439 --> 03:13:36.439
favor that is carried unanimously.

4627
03:13:38.479 --> 03:13:41.479
We have finalized our officer reports.

4628
03:13:41.600 --> 03:13:43.415
 item for there are no notice of

4629
03:13:43.439 --> 03:13:45.576
motion. Any reports for council

4630
03:13:45.600 --> 03:13:47.816
delegates that we wish to share this

4631
03:13:47.840 --> 03:13:49.656
evening?

4632
03:13:49.680 --> 03:13:52.680
 yes councelor Buckingham.

4633
03:13:52.720 --> 03:13:54.776
So I've tabled the written report from

4634
03:13:54.800 --> 03:13:57.096
MAV. I don't need to speak to it cuz I

4635
03:13:57.120 --> 03:13:59.656
spoke to it at the last council meeting

4636
03:13:59.680 --> 03:14:01.976
but just putting it on the record.

4637
03:14:02.000 --> 03:14:03.816
, yep. Anything you wish to highlight

4638
03:14:03.840 --> 03:14:06.776
from that report given it's been tabled?

4639
03:14:06.800 --> 03:14:08.136
Thank you for tableabling that report

4640
03:14:08.160 --> 03:14:10.616
too and well done again on your um as

4641
03:14:10.640 --> 03:14:13.640
our delegate too. Any other counselors

4642
03:14:14.080 --> 03:14:16.776
wish to speak to their items that

4643
03:14:16.800 --> 03:14:19.800
they're a delegate of? In which case

4644
03:14:20.880 --> 03:14:23.096
we're on to urgent business. Councilors,

4645
03:14:23.120 --> 03:14:26.120
we have no items of urgent business.

4646
03:14:26.800 --> 03:14:29.176
Correct me if I'm wrong.

4647
03:14:29.200 --> 03:14:31.976
Brings us to 17. We have one

4648
03:14:32.000 --> 03:14:33.816
confidential report listed on tonight's

4649
03:14:33.840 --> 03:14:35.496
agenda, that being the children's

4650
03:14:35.520 --> 03:14:36.936
infrastructure program, the proposed

4651
03:14:36.960 --> 03:14:39.736
decanting arrangements, in which case I

4652
03:14:39.760 --> 03:14:41.736
will need to close the meeting to the

4653
03:14:41.760 --> 03:14:43.576
public. So, I do call on the councelor

4654
03:14:43.600 --> 03:14:45.576
to move that the meeting be closed to

4655
03:14:45.600 --> 03:14:46.936
members of the public so that we can

4656
03:14:46.960 --> 03:14:48.616
consider. Thank you, councelor

4657
03:14:48.640 --> 03:14:50.215
Buckingham. Seconded, councelor

4658
03:14:50.239 --> 03:14:52.215
Crawford. It is a procedural motion so

4659
03:14:52.239 --> 03:14:54.696
it be put to the vote. All those in

4660
03:14:54.720 --> 03:14:57.720
favor that is carried unanimously.

4661
03:14:58.560 --> 03:15:00.936
The meeting is now closed to the public.

4662
03:15:00.960 --> 03:15:03.096
I want to thank once again our members

4663
03:15:03.120 --> 03:15:05.656
of the public  for staying till the

4664
03:15:05.680 --> 03:15:08.680
very end. We shall see you on  the

4665
03:15:09.359 --> 03:15:12.359
next council meeting

4666
03:15:12.640 --> 03:15:15.640
and thank you Simmon for