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Start again. Good evening and welcome to

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the City of Port Phillip Council meeting

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for the 15th of July 2026.

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As always, council respectfully

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acknowledges our traditional owners and

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custodians of the Kulin Nation. We

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acknowledge their legacy, spiritual

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connection to land, sea, and country

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across the City of Port Phillip and pay

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our heartfelt respects to Elders past,

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present, and emerging.

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This meeting is being conducted in

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hybrid style and is streamed via

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council's webcast page and Facebook

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live. Streams and recordings of council

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meetings are copyrighted and cannot be

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altered, reproduced or republished

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without the permission of council. And

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should we in the unlikely event

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experience any technical difficulties

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this evening,  just a reminder that we

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will adjourn should that occur and 

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resolve those issues as they arise.

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And also in the very unlikely event of

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an emergency, please as always follow

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the directions of our emergency wardens

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and governance staff who are situated by

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the door. I do remind that as we

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commence tonight's proceedings that any

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member of the public addressing council

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must extend due courtesy and respect to

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council and the processes under which we

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operate. And please always take

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direction from the chair whenever called

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to do so, being myself. Speakers must

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remain respectful

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and statements or questions must not be

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defamatory, offensive or objectionable

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or aimed at embarrassing a counselor or

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member of council staff or relate to

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matters outside the powers of council.

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And as we get into public question time

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and speaking to submissions, just a

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reminder to not approach counselors at

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their desk during the meeting. If you do

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have any documentation you would like to

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distribute, please share that with our

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governance staff once again by the door

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and they'll be able to share that

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information with councilors in turn.

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Now that we've got the preamble out

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of the way, do we have any apologies for

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this evening?

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Currently, councelor Crawford who I

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understand will be joining a bit later

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on, but is a current apology. and

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welcome back councelor Thomann for in 

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your first meeting back in the chamber

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and thank you for attending online for

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the last few meetings.

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 we have our minutes of our previous

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council meeting the council meeting of

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the 17th of June 2026 and the special

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council meeting of the 29th of June 26.

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They have both been circulated. Are

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there any questions regarding those

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minutes?

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If not, can I have a motion to confirm

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those minutes? That's moved Deputy

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Mayor seconded councelor Halliday. It's

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a procedural motion, so there's no

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debate and we'll be putting it to the

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vote. All those in favor?

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That is carried unanimously.

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Any declarations of conflicts of

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interest on any matter here this

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evening?

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Silence means no. Therefore, there are

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no interests to be declared. couple of

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statements I would like to draw to the

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attention of the chamber and also to

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those of you that are joining us online

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and thank you also to our online

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listeners here this evening and thank

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you to everyone here who's in the

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gallery tonigh  the first is NAIDOC

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week. Last week we were pleased to

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celebrate NAIDOC week across the City of

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Port Phillip including our annual flag

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raising ceremony  which was held in

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partnership with the Bunurong Land Council

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Aboriginal Corporation.

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The theme for NAIDOC was 50 years of

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deadly and it really recognized the five

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decades of celebrating strength,

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resilience, achievements and leadership

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of Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander

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people. I do want to thank our first

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people communities,our Elders and

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partners for their ongoing guidance and

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contribution and also reaffirm the City

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of Port Phillips and my own personal

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commitment to reconciliation, respect

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and cultural recognition. I had the

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great pleasure of attending several

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NAIDOC events across the week, including

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a video screening that was held by the

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Port Phillip Citizens for Reconciliation

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on Saturday. And just want to recognize

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the work in the community that goes on

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in discussing reconciliation and working

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forward and working together as a

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community. It's really encouraging to

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see our community come together on the

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matters relating to reconciliation and

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common understanding.

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I also want to recognize a very special

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occasion  104th birthday for Joan

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Mather

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and want to am delighted to acknowledge

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and congratulate Joan Mather on a very

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remarkable milestone 104 years.

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 for those of you that don't know

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Joan, she is a World War II veteran, a

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highly celebrated member of the St.

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Kilda RSL community. I had the pleasure

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of meeting Joan alongside councelor

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Thomann at the St Kilda Anzac

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commemoration service earlier this year.

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 Joan is recognized for her wartime

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service including secret code breaking

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for the Royal Air Force and is a

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prominent beloved figure once again of

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the St Kilda RSL branch and regularly

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participates and tours alongside all of

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us at the local Anzac Day march at St

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Kilda earlier this year.

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Joan  you speak with her and it's

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amazing how lively and engaging she is

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and how active she still is in the

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community. I know councelor Thomann if

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you wanted to share any words on Joan.

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 yeah I've  met Joan many many

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times and  you know um I hope that

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anyone who is 104 has got  her

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presence of mind because she actually

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remembers everything.  she's certainly

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a pole bearer for  St Kilda and  I'm

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glad that  you know  she still takes

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part to all the activities at the RSL

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like living upstairs there and  being

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who she is and being you know lovely and

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gorgeous and  happy birthday to her.

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As I said I wish we could confirm she's

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the oldest person in St Kilda or in Port

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Phillip, but this is something we

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apparently can't do. So,  it would be

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nice to be able to  to look and even

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to try to maybe get them all together,

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all people over 100 for a bit of a party

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and a  shandy or something. But

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happy birthday, Joan. Happy 101st

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birthday, Joan. Yeah. Round of applause.

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Councelor Thomann and I, we received an

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invite to Joan's birthday, but

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unfortunately it clashed with a council

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meeting, so I had to be here instead.

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But happy birthday once again,

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Joan. She doesn't mind a drink at

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another time,

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not at a council meeting.

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And  lastly, do want to recognize 

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the history of the City of Port Phillip

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 delivered meals program. So Meals on

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Wheels wanted to acknowledge and

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celebrate the significant role that the

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South Melbourne City council played in

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the history of community care in

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Australia. South Melbourne was the first

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council in Australia to introduce a

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meals on wheels service that commenced

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back in 1950 at a time when there was no

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Commonwealth or state government funding

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to support such a program

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and you know to have a council back in

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1950 actually propose this service is is

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really really innovative.  the

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pioneering work was built on an earlier

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initiative which included the

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establishment of the home health

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auxiliary and the provision of

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center-based meals at council's senior

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citizen center for residents who lived

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in  limited housing conditions and

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with limited access to cooking

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facilities.

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 the history of delivered meals in our

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council in our municipality is one

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example of innovation, care and

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community connection. And following

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amalgamations in 1994, there was a

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long-standing volunteer group known as

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the Middle Park Moms, which  was

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eventually disbanded, but for almost

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three decades actually delivered meals

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throughout the South Melbourne area. You

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know, Meals on Wheels became a service

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that was distributed across many

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councils through Victoria. and to see

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that it started here in South Melbourne

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is a real testament to that council at

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the time. I understand  community is

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actually coming together to put together

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history on  the City of South

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Melbourne's involvement in Meals and

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Wales as well as also the community

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involvement as well. So look forward to

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that unfolding too.

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Thank you for  through those

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announcements. We will now move on to

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public question time. So we have two

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components of public question time. The

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first are general questions which are

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items not relating to items on the

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agenda as per our governance rules and

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then our second component will be

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speaking to submissions. So we'll begin

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with public question time and our first

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speaker probably no surprises here will

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be Frank Artuso. If you could please

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start with your name and suburb and then

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we have up to two minutes.

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Welcome Frank. Welcome back.

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Thank you.

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Frank Artusa Albert Park in the public

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interest and as per an old  proverb

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trust but verify. Question one, what

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procedures does the City port Philip

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follow when an on street parking space

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is removed or introduced regardless of

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the reason? Question two, when and where

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was the most recent on street parking

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space removed and when and where was the

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most recent on street car parking space

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installed? Question three, are residents

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who are have access to off- streetet

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parking on their premises eligible to

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obtain an on street  residential 

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parking permit excluding visitors

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parking. Question four City port Philip

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road safety strategy technical report

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November 2025 page 21 under heading

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speed environment states of all the FSI

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crash crashes within City port Philip

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90% occur on low speed roads and streets

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less than or equal to 60 km an hour A

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can council clarify whether these roads

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are local roads state managed roads or

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combination of both B if a combination

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of both would council provide the data

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as separate items of information.

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Question five, what design vehicle speed

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do council road engineers apply when

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specifying standard road humps between

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50 mm and 75 in height? Question six,

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cyclist, ebikes, e scooter riders are

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required to travel on the roadway where

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no bicycle lane exists. Are they

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permitted to ride in the center of the

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single lane carriageway to reduce the

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risk of collision with opened car doors

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or vehicles reversing from angle

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parking?

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Thank you Frank. A response will be

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provided by Mike Fischer, manager of

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City planning and sustainability. 

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thank you and through you may and thanks

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for the questions um Frank. U so

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question one um procedures include site

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visits, technical assessments where

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necessary and where parking spaces to be

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removed or introduced for operational

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reasons. Officers generally notify

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affected properties in the vicinity

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prior to implementation.

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 question two, officers are constantly

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monitoring  parking and managing

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temporary or long-term changes. This

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month  July, officers plan to

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introduce a new quarter P parking bay on

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Fitzroy Street, St Kilda to provide

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short-term parking for local businesses.

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In June, officers submitted the work

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order to remove one parking space on

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Boundary Street, Port Melbourne to

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improve safety and access.  question

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three,  residents who have access to

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off- streetet parking on their

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properties may still be eligible for a

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residential parking permit in the City

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of Port Phillip. However, access  to

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off- streetet parking is one of the

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factors considered by council when

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determining permit eligibility and the

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number of permits that may be issued.

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Other factors include the type of

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dwelling, when the dwelling was built,

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 the property must be rated as

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residential.  further information is

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available in the parking management

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policy.

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which we can provide if necessary. Um

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question four  both part so 613 or 62%

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u were on state managed arterial roads

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and 375 or 38% were on councilman

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managed roads. Um question five, the

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design speed associated with traffic

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calming devices varies according to the

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treat the treatment type design and site

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context.  road hunts are generally

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designed to reduce vehicle operating

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speeds to around 20 to 30 km an hour at

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the point of treatment.

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And question six, , in Victoria under

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the road safety rules, , 2017,

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cyclists, ebike riders, and e scooter

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users are treated as road users who must

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follow the general road rules. There is

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no requirement to keep to the far left

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or edge of the road. Where no bike lane

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exists, they may lawfully position

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themselves in the center of a traffic

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lane, particularly if it's safer to do

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so. They must still ride with due peer

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and obey traffic controls. And if a bike

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lane is provided, they must generally

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use it unless impractical.

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Thank you, Mike.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. And thank you, Frank.

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, next speaker is Amanda Best, who's

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joining us online. Amanda, if you could

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please start with your name and suburb,

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and then you'll have up to two minutes.

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You may need to unmute.

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All right, we'll come back to Amanda.

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, next question is from Michael

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Pierce. Come on down. Starting with your

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name, suburb, and then we'll have up to

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two minutes.

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Michael Pierce is my name. I'm from

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South Melbourne. Good evening,

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councilors. Thank you for this

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opportunity. My question um in effect

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seeks an assurance from the council that

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it won't permit or won't grant any

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permits to allow the construction at 219

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Park Street to be managed from the Dow

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Street side. If you're familiar with the

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site, it runs from Park Street through

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to Dow Street. It's a large block.

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There's been a permit granted for a

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five-story block of apartments. We

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fought that and lost and we accept that

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defeat, but now we have to deal with the

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disruption in the construction phase. Um

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we accept that in any development there

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is disruption but we will oppose any

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grant of permits to permit that from the

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Dow street side because the disruption

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in this case would be acute because

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Darrow Dao Street is such a narrow

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street. Um it has no footpath to speak

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of. Pedestrians using Dao Street all

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walk down the middle of the street.

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There are a large number or several at

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least dwellings in the affected parts of

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Dao Street and they are built very close

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to the street side. So the disruption

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from  semi-trailers going up and down

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that block several times a day for

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several months will be acute. um over

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and above that there is clearly um a

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risk of harm coming to people colliding

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with um  the semi-trailers. Now um if

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this were the only alternative, we would

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understand that you probably do have to

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grant these permits, but there's a very

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clear alternative which is to allow the

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construction to be managed from the Park

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Street side where there is ample room.

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There is a complication of course that

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in Park Street there's a tram line but

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that is not an insupable objection

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because we know from the recent

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experience in Eastern Road. You should

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all be familiar with the large office

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building in Eastern.

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Thank you Michael. We are at time.

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I think I've got my points across.

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You certainly have.  response will be

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provided by Brian T, our general manager

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of City development.

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 thank you and through you  mayor.

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Yes, council um is  very familiar with

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the site. Um and we also understand the

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amenity impact of

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the proposed  we we also understand

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the amenity impact. Sorry, I just want

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to make sure my mic's closed. Um we

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which is why  we have um set up a

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meeting we did set up a meeting with the

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developer and local residents so that

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the um developer could hear firsthand of

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those concerns.  essentially um what's

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been requested is access from Park

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Street and not  Dow Street and 

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council officers um has received a

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traffic management plan which does

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propose access from Dow Street. I'll

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also add the plan in its current form is

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not acceptable to council. Um but um if

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we do reach a stage where there is um a

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proposal that we support or a plan that

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we support that will be the outcome of

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that will be made public. The central

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issue as I said is the access via Park

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Street and not Dow Street. And again I

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need to be frank this will be difficult

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to achieve.  Park Street is a state

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road. Um and any traffic management plan

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impacting Park Street will require

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Department of Transport approval. And in

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making their assessment, the department

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will consider the impact on Park Street

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traffic  which is an artial road with

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as you've indicated a a tram and the

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department will um place considerable

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focus on that traffic. What I can do 

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is assure you and the community and

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other impacted residents that council's

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focus will be on the amenity impacts.

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Our primary focus will be on the impact

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on residents and we will do what we can

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to minimize those amenity impacts on you

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and on the other impacted residents.

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Thank you, Brian. And Emma Caly, if

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you're online and can start with your

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name and suburb and then up to two

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minutes.

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Hi, thank you. I don't really need to

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ask my question cuz Michael has just

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asked it for me, but thank you anyway

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for the opportunity.

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Thank you, Emma. Enjoy the evening.

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, next speaker then will be James

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Pennaluma.

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Oh, there you are. Hello, Jim.

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Good day. Good day.

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I hope I can read this because my eyes

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are not the best.

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I can never read my handwriting either.

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So, it's all right. If we can start with

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your name and suburb and then you have

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up to two minutes, Jim, welcome.

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James Penoloon of Port come out from

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Port Melbourne. I want to do a bit of a

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preamble if it's all right.  I'm a

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member of the  Port Melbourne bowling

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club, but I'm not on the committee.

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Haven't been on a committee for 10

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years. I played football, cricket, and

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lawn balls for Port Melbourne teams for

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the past 75 years.

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And I'm very happy that the council

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supports sport within Port Phillip.

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The soccer pitch at Murphy Reserve has

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been extended and is now synthetic. A

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huge improvement.

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the new $6 million pavilion

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at the Lagoon Oval and the upgrade of

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the  of the surface is going to

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provide more teams to participate in

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good amenities which I did play on that

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ground many years ago. Two premierships

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 proposed net ball courts at Murphy's

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is going to be a very welcome addition

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for the net ballers.

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Then the  513,000

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to the Elbert Park Bowling Club and

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100,000 to the Middle Park bowling club.

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Improves the facilities for the old

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residency area. Now, some councilors

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might not know a great deal about that

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bowling club. It was established in

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1883.

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Jim, you're running down the clock. It

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might be worth getting to your question,

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too, please.

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Jesus Christ.

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just stretching the bow a bit.

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Look, the the Port Bomb Bowling Club has

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supported community activities

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 with the schools, the local high

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schools and the disabled schools in the

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area. We do it for nothing. We support

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the Anzac Day function. We do a lot for

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the community.

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 now

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in 2015 the state government promised

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pledged a million dollars and at the

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same time portfol

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pledged a million dollars now recent and

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so far we've only got 295,000

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but I was really annoyed and why I'm up

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here was I was really upset

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cuz I was told that the Albert Park

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bowling club and Middle Park do not have

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to pay any money into the renovations.

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If that is correct, why is our club

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required to donate for the re for the

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renovations?

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We have spent a lot of our money on

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improving the um getting the plumbing

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labor in for

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Jim, we're at time. So your question was

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in relation to council's contribution 

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to the Port Melbourne bowling club, what

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we've required as part of that as well

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as some of the funding commitments from

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the other clubs.

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Yeah. Why? Well,

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yep.

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If you pledge something

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Yep.

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Thanks, Jim. I'll get you an answer.

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Party with it.

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A response will be provided by Glenn

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Hickeyi, manager of portfolio projects.

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Well, he never got me through you, man.

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But anyway, you know it.

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 thanks first up James thanks for the

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question. Um obviously council's

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committed to working collaboratively

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with the Port Melbourne bowling club who

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have already and we've already commenced

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works to upgrade their clubhouse.

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Council supported the club's

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redevelopment aspirations through

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ongoing advocacy and investment. The

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295,000 contribution from council

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represents a financial commitment to the

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project to date alongside the Victorian

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government's 1 million funding

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contribution announced through the 2324

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state budget. As with many community

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infrastructure projects, funding

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discussions have been included

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consideration of contribution from

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multiple sources including government

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grants, council funding, and club

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contributions to support a financially

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viable project outcome. The requirement

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of the funding was for the club to match

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the council contribution of the 295,000.

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Well, that was a question.

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Thanks.

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Jim,  there's further there's further

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clarification from the CEO as well

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through you, Mayor. Um we'll we'll pro

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we'll check the history and provide some

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further details  in direct response

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but um I'm not aware of a million dollar

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pledge from a previous council towards

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this project.  the state government

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announced a million dollars not in

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consultation with council at the time.

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 council did sub subsequently agree to

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provide the $295,000.

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 the other club that we're working

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with at the moment is also required to

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provide in um financial support towards

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the rebuild.  exactly the amounts I

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will have to come back to but um it is

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not an unusual thing to have a

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contribution from clubs in addition to

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council funding towards it.

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That was a thing.

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Thanks Jim.

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Great payers.

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Yep. Jim

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contributing to Jim

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contributing to community activities.

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Jim, you've had you've had your chance

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to speak.

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Two minutes.

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Thank you, Jim.

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Please go back to your seats.

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Thank you. , next speaker is Troy

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Mure, who's joining us online.

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Troy, starting with your name, suburb,

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and up to two minutes.

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Thank you very much. So, Troy Muley here

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from South Melbourne. Um

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I just wanted to start with a little bit

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of background. Um benzene which is a

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group one human carcinogen with no known

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safe exposure levels is admitted from

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petrol bowsers during refueling and from

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the actual tank vents. Recognizing this

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other Australian states have put

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protections in place. So both the WA and

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South Australian EPA or equivalent

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departments set a 50 meter minimum

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distance from petrol bowsers to the

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nearest home. Victoria actually has no

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equivalent buffer in place at this point

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in time. Essentially meaning that any

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mixed de development zone could have a

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petrol station next to it as we have

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recently discovered here on the corner

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of Bank Street and Kings Way. the

00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.616
proposed United Petroleum development at

00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.640
264 to 276 Kingsway which has near

00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.616
universal opposition from all of the

00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.015
surrounding and nearby residents and

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among many other issues and dangers

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would actually place bowsers within 10 m

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of family homes including children's

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bedrooms and backyards where they play.

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My question is why does council consider

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this distance acceptable for local

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families and residents?

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Thank you, Troy. The response will be

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provided by Brian Tia, our general

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manager of City development.

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Thank you, ma'am, through you. , I

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thank um the the um Mr. M for the

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question which  relates to a

00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.400
development on 264274

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Kingsway. Um and I can confirm that

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council has received the development

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application. Um and that um there have

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been a number of objections to that

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application. Um and also we are aware of

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the concern about the location near the

00:27:07.520 --> 00:27:10.520
um service station near homes. Um and um

00:27:11.919 --> 00:27:14.535
as you've indicated, Mr. Mir, the South

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Australian West Australia do have 50

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meter health baths. council um the the

00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:21.655
state legislation in Victoria does not

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have that buffer but we may be required

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to consider some sight specific um

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risks. What I can say is that we've

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received the application but we've not

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yet formed a view on that application.

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 if the application proceeds it will

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be considered a council meeting  and

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that meeting will be public and there'll

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be a a council report. Um and that

00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.255
report and any recommendations

00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.279
um to be considered by  council will

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also be public. Um and that report will

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detail how council officers have

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responded to the various planning and

00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.936
other requirements that we need to

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consider in putting forward our

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recommendation. Um what I'd encourage

00:28:07.840 --> 00:28:10.535
Mr. and other members of the community

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um to consider is um  um attending the

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meeting um having a look at that paper,

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the report once it's um been formed 

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and um if they would like to to attend

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that meeting and again um respond to the

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report and any recommendations that come

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forward.

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Thank you. And our next speaker is

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Meline Notewear or joining us online as

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well. Maline, if you could start with

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your name and suburb and then you'll

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have up to two minutes.

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Thank you. Maline Notewear joining you

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from South Melbourne. I'm also here to

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ask a question about the proposed petrol

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station on Kingsway that was just

00:28:49.919 --> 00:28:52.696
discussed and in I wanted to know that

00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:54.375
in council's consideration of the

00:28:54.399 --> 00:28:56.056
application. Will you consider the

00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:58.456
traffic and safety impacts of that

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development on the surrounding streets?

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I'll note that many of the residents

00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.375
here, many of us with small children,

00:29:04.399 --> 00:29:06.056
are gravely concerned about the future

00:29:06.080 --> 00:29:08.296
safety of our neighborhood with this

00:29:08.320 --> 00:29:10.456
development. And I'll also note that the

00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.216
submitted traffic assessment that went

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along with the  application included

00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.096
grounds of refusal from the Department

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of Transport and Planning, including um

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to quote, "The proposed access is inco

00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:24.856
incompatible with the operation of

00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.880
Kingsway and Public Safety. The proposal

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.456
will result in unacceptable road safety

00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.616
outcomes with a petrol tanker deliveries

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potentially obstructing traffic movement

00:29:34.159 --> 00:29:36.296
along King's Way. And the proposed

00:29:36.320 --> 00:29:37.736
layout of the buildings and works will

00:29:37.760 --> 00:29:39.816
not allow petrol tanker deliveries to

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enter and exit the site in a forward

00:29:41.679 --> 00:29:44.135
direction. Um, as I said, we have a lot

00:29:44.159 --> 00:29:45.576
of small kids that play in these

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streets. , and we just want to make

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.216
sure that the council will think about

00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.296
Fitzpatrick Street Laneway and Park

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Street as you as you think about the

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application.

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Back to Brian T.

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 thank you and through you mayor and

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um yes the question also relates to the

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proposed or the application we've

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received in relation to 264  274

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Kingsway.  and yes, I can confirm that

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.279
 in considering this application, um

00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.559
officers will consider the impact not

00:30:22.320 --> 00:30:25.176
just on King Street but on um the

00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.200
surrounding streets. Um and yes to the

00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:31.176
extent that there are safety impacts in

00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.200
terms of the road network um these will

00:30:34.320 --> 00:30:37.015
also be examined

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and those matters will also be included

00:30:40.320 --> 00:30:43.320
 in the council report should this

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matter proceed.

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Thank you Brian. We'll head back to

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Amanda Best joining us online. Amanda if

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you could start with your name suburb

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and up to two minutes.

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Hello, Amanda Best from Middle Park. Can

00:30:58.159 --> 00:30:59.336
you hear me this time?

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Yes, we can.

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Lovely. The corner site at 80 CEL Street

00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:05.655
directly opposite the South Melbourne

00:31:05.679 --> 00:31:07.895
market in South Melbourne Central has

00:31:07.919 --> 00:31:09.895
had inconsistent and ambiguous parking

00:31:09.919 --> 00:31:12.696
signs for close to a decade. A run of

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.015
marked bays broken by unmarked gaps

00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:16.696
corresponding to obsolete vehicle

00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.336
crossovers for the vacant hoarded site

00:31:19.360 --> 00:31:21.576
on that corner.

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On 10th of July, council advised me in

00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:24.775
writing that it intends to install no

00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:26.456
stopping restrictions in these gaps

00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.135
within approximately four weeks to

00:31:28.159 --> 00:31:30.296
remove this ambiguity. I welcome

00:31:30.320 --> 00:31:31.496
council's acknowledgement that the

00:31:31.520 --> 00:31:33.096
current signage is confusing and needs

00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:35.736
to change. However, council's chosen

00:31:35.760 --> 00:31:37.576
remedy takes seven or eight spaces

00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:39.176
permanently out of play rather than

00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.655
formalizing them as usable bays and a

00:31:41.679 --> 00:31:43.176
site directly opposite two of the

00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:44.775
busiest parking destinations in a

00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.456
municipality.

00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.775
Given these crossovers are obsolete, the

00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.296
site's fully hoarded with no

00:31:50.320 --> 00:31:52.135
construction activity in 10 years and no

00:31:52.159 --> 00:31:54.296
scheduled start date. Parking these

00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:56.296
spaces creates no obstruction safety

00:31:56.320 --> 00:31:59.320
issue or inconvenience to anyone.

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Will the council one explain why these

00:32:01.679 --> 00:32:03.176
spaces are placed permanently out of

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:04.775
play rather than formally marking them

00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:06.775
as bays given the demon the demonstrated

00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.015
demand in this precinct?

00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.775
Two, confirm in writing and on the

00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:12.456
public record the exact date by which

00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.135
the signage changes will be completed

00:32:14.159 --> 00:32:15.576
rather than the current indicative

00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:18.056
within four weeks. And three, confirm

00:32:18.080 --> 00:32:19.816
that in the interim, council will

00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:21.976
suspend enforcement in these unmarked

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.000
gaps given council has acknowledged the

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.616
current arrangement is confusing to

00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.640
motorists.

00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.616
Thank you, Amanda. The response will be

00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.696
provided by Mike Fischer, our manager of

00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.176
City planning and sustainability.

00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.616
 through you may thank you for the

00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.640
question. So um in terms of response to

00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:44.616
question one, so council cannot permit

00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.856
parking across a private property

00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.015
crossover even where it is considered

00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.015
redundant. This is because of  rule

00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.736
198 of the Victorian road safety rules

00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:55.655
2017 which prohibits vehicles from

00:32:55.679 --> 00:32:57.576
stopping on or across a driveway or

00:32:57.600 --> 00:33:00.600
other access adjacent to adjacent land.

00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:02.696
Um council doesn't have the power to

00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:04.535
exempt individual locations from this

00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.495
requirement. Um in terms of question two

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.176
at this stage only indicative time

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:10.616
frames have been provided as the

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.296
manufacturer and installation of signs

00:33:12.320 --> 00:33:15.096
are undertaken by external contractor.

00:33:15.120 --> 00:33:16.696
The timer timing is dependent on the

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.296
contract availability but the works are

00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:19.895
expected to be completed no later than

00:33:19.919 --> 00:33:22.535
the 7th of August um in line with the

00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.535
delivery time frames under contractors

00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.255
council contractor agreement.  and

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.416
question three, the existing parking

00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:31.255
restrictions and road rules have applied

00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.096
to this location for several years and

00:33:33.120 --> 00:33:35.255
remain in effect. Um council will be

00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.775
installing the additional signage to

00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.255
further assist moto motorists in

00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:41.576
identifying the applicable restrictions.

00:33:41.600 --> 00:33:43.576
Um however this does not change the

00:33:43.600 --> 00:33:46.600
legal requirements. Um accordingly

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.216
council does not intend to suspend the

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:49.416
enforcement of the applicable

00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.655
restrictions nor can it direct u

00:33:51.679 --> 00:33:53.336
Victoria police in relation to the

00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:55.736
enforcement of the road rules. Um so

00:33:55.760 --> 00:33:57.816
council authorize authorized officers

00:33:57.840 --> 00:33:59.336
will continue to enforce the applicable

00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:02.216
restrictions as required.

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.816
Thank you.

00:34:03.840 --> 00:34:06.056
Thank you, Mike. , next speaker will

00:34:06.080 --> 00:34:07.976
be Bill Felon.

00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.000
Welcome.

00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.815
Starting with your name, suburb, and up

00:34:17.839 --> 00:34:20.839
to two minutes.

00:34:25.359 --> 00:34:27.335
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Bill Felen from

00:34:27.359 --> 00:34:29.736
Port Melbourne.

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.375
My question is to the CEO Chris Carroll

00:34:32.399 --> 00:34:34.936
and relates to the proposed womb

00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.335
crossings on Burn and Swallow Streets

00:34:37.359 --> 00:34:40.296
Port Melbourne. These proposed crossings

00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.696
are two and three streets from the Port

00:34:42.720 --> 00:34:45.016
Melbourne Primary School with neither

00:34:45.040 --> 00:34:48.040
location having any accident record.

00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.776
Following concerns expressed by two or

00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.800
three parents regarding child safety,

00:34:54.399 --> 00:34:56.296
traffic engineers commenced their

00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.696
planning process.

00:34:58.720 --> 00:35:01.720
They did not visit the precinct at pre

00:35:01.839 --> 00:35:04.616
and post school times. Neither have they

00:35:04.640 --> 00:35:07.640
demonstrated any concern for the amenity

00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:09.896
consequences to be suffered by Burn

00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.776
Street residents.

00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.800
The Burn Street crossing is in fact less

00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.536
than 8 mters from a bedroom window which

00:35:18.560 --> 00:35:21.016
is in contravention of  authority

00:35:21.040 --> 00:35:22.696
guidelines.

00:35:22.720 --> 00:35:25.656
Additionally, the effects of losing

00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:28.680
seven car spaces which are vital for

00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:32.040
teachers and parents each school day.

00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:36.440
They have just been ignored.

00:35:36.640 --> 00:35:39.176
The head of transport engineers has

00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:41.256
ignored requests to meet with residents

00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.575
on site.

00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.736
Residents do not wish to ignore child

00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.760
safety only for a compromised plan which

00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:52.200
considers the interests of all parties.

00:35:53.839 --> 00:35:56.839
Mr. CEO, my question is why have you,

00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.776
Brian T, and Nelly Montgomery?

00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.176
, Bill, you can't refer to officers

00:36:03.200 --> 00:36:05.095
directly. The question is directed to

00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:05.736
council

00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.376
and two general managers.

00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:09.976
Um

00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.296
not commissioned meaningful objective

00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.616
and independent observation at this

00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:17.256
precinct. Why do you simply support

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.416
traffic engineers?

00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.095
We're going to take that question on

00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.736
notice.

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.760
Thanks. So we'll advise

00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.416
 through you may  there is no

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.896
further response to be provided. This

00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:35.335
matter has been through the internal

00:36:35.359 --> 00:36:38.359
review processes within council and the

00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:39.575
resident has been referred to the

00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.599
ombbitsman for any further work.

00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.119
And now we'll move on to  questions or

00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.480
submissions to agenda items rather. 

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.000
we have three statements or submissions

00:36:55.839 --> 00:36:58.776
relating to item 11.2 the Port Melbourne

00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.095
Netball infrastructure project beginning

00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.119
with Annabelle Jones. Come on down.

00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.575
First up starting Annabelle with your

00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.656
name suburb and up to two minutes.

00:37:09.680 --> 00:37:12.680
Okay.

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:14.696
Good evening councilors. My name is

00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:16.696
Annabelle Jones. I'm a resident of Port

00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:18.856
Melbourne and a spokesperson of Cop Dog

00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.736
Network. I'm here tonight on behalf of

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.456
the dog owners and users of JL Murphy

00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.256
off leash dog area. I want to be clear

00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.055
from the outset that I support net. I

00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:31.896
support facilities for women and girls

00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.376
sport and I understand the council is

00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.856
under pressure to deliver this

00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.416
commitment. But I don't believe taking

00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.575
away the off leash dog area and JL

00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.296
Murphy is the right way to do it. The

00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.296
off leash dog space isn't a leftover

00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.616
corner in the park. is one of the

00:37:48.640 --> 00:37:51.176
largest accessible off leash areas in

00:37:51.200 --> 00:37:54.200
Port Phillip and many of us is the only

00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.136
realistic

00:37:56.160 --> 00:37:59.095
option nearby.

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.575
Losing it doesn't inconvenience dog

00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:04.536
owners. It pushes more dogs and people

00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:07.560
into smaller already stretched areas. a

00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.815
time when Fisherman's Bend is projected

00:38:09.839 --> 00:38:11.976
to bring 80,000 residents to our

00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:13.575
doorstep

00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.599
and by COP Dog Network's estimates

00:38:16.640 --> 00:38:19.640
approximately 30,000 additional dogs.

00:38:21.680 --> 00:38:24.136
Demand for all open spaces and not just

00:38:24.160 --> 00:38:26.936
sporting fields are only going up and an

00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.176
off leash provision needs to grow with

00:38:29.200 --> 00:38:32.200
it, not shrink. In August 2024,

00:38:34.160 --> 00:38:36.616
council adopted its off leash dog

00:38:36.640 --> 00:38:38.696
guidelines

00:38:38.720 --> 00:38:41.016
which explicitly

00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:43.016
reaffirmed that there would be no net

00:38:43.040 --> 00:38:46.040
loss of off leash dog spaces.

00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:49.656
Removing JL Murphy from an off leash dog

00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:52.680
area without an equivalent delivered

00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.496
equivalent space delivered first would

00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:57.335
be a breach of that direct commitment.

00:38:57.359 --> 00:38:59.656
The Cop Dog Network does appreciate that

00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:01.496
Elder Smith Reserve is being considered

00:39:01.520 --> 00:39:04.520
for the off leash dog space to for the

00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:06.696
growing fisherman bend community and we

00:39:06.720 --> 00:39:09.720
welcome that. It needs to happen with

00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.079
not after any loss of JL Murphy. I'm

00:39:13.520 --> 00:39:15.896
asking council on behalf of the cop dog

00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.456
network and its many members that the

00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.480
council pauses endorsing JL Murphy for

00:39:21.680 --> 00:39:23.575
the use of a net ball situation and

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:26.376
genuinely explore whether the courts and

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.856
off leash dog areas can coexist or

00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.880
whether a time

00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.256
four more words

00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.280
like for like um place replacement space

00:39:36.640 --> 00:39:37.815
is cured. Thank you.

00:39:37.839 --> 00:39:40.456
Thank you Annabelle.

00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.416
, next speaker on this topic is Eugene

00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.440
Deer joining us online.

00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.216
Eugene,

00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:52.456
if you could start with your name and up

00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.136
to a name and suburb and up to two

00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:55.896
minutes. Thanks, Eugene.

00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.136
Eugene Dapper, Port Melbourne, um,

00:39:58.160 --> 00:39:59.656
president of Port Melbourne Netball

00:39:59.680 --> 00:40:01.496
Club. Um I just wanted to take the

00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:04.296
opportunity to um thank the council for

00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.856
the work um in understanding and

00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.256
recognizing the need um for the

00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.280
development of um community sports in

00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:15.016
the area. Um and this will help

00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:17.176
facilitate Port Melbourne Netball Club

00:40:17.200 --> 00:40:19.016
develop um because our main mission at

00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:20.696
the club is to develop a lifelong love

00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:22.376
of sport and we do that through

00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.856
developing leaders by playing sport by

00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.456
developing them as coaches and as

00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.335
umpires. Um so we we think this is a

00:40:29.359 --> 00:40:31.095
fantastic opportunity to move from two

00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:33.575
to four courts as this will enable us to

00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.599
grow. Um we this even this season we've

00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.960
doubled our under 15s  and increased

00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:42.776
our teams even this season under 13s.

00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.800
We've got over 200 um sorry over 400

00:40:46.160 --> 00:40:48.856
members. Um and what it'll enable us to

00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.880
do um is to support girls and leadership

00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.575
opportunities. And we just want to thank

00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.055
all the work that has taken place to

00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.376
support this um amazing opportunity.

00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.456
It'll also strengthen the offer of sport

00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.016
in the local area um and fisherman's

00:41:03.040 --> 00:41:05.976
bend um sporting alliance of local

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.295
sporting associations all stand behind

00:41:08.319 --> 00:41:09.575
this and we think it's fantastic

00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:10.856
opportunity. Just want to thank the

00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.016
council for all their work um in making

00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:15.575
this happen. Thank you.

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.216
Thank you Eugene. Our final speaker on

00:41:18.240 --> 00:41:21.240
11.2 is Amanda Tonkenhill. Welcome.

00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.896
Starting with name, suburb, and up to

00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.295
two minutes. Welcome, Amanda.

00:41:28.319 --> 00:41:30.456
Hi, my name's Amanda Tonken Hill. I'm a

00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.416
resident of Port Melbourne. I walk my

00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.496
dog at JL Murphy most days of the week

00:41:35.520 --> 00:41:38.520
and my son plays in a mixed net team. I

00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:40.936
support City of Port Phillips provision

00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.095
of facilities for net players of all

00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:44.776
genders.

00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.800
My concerns tonight relate to the

00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.400
potential for once again the poor

00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.440
netball players to miss out on the use

00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:58.200
of a space because of the research done

00:41:58.640 --> 00:42:01.256
into the groundwater conditions of the

00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:02.776
site.

00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.800
I have requested of council

00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:07.896
information regarding that whether it's

00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.896
been fully investigated

00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.920
and I understand that I received a my in

00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.216
the response which was an unseal signed

00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:19.176
email that the approach to storm water

00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:21.656
management remains a key consideration

00:42:21.680 --> 00:42:23.575
but it is now better understood within

00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.575
the broader fisherman's ben planning

00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.456
network. It didn't really explain that

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.936
whether that was going to cause a

00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.960
problem for this tarmac area of the

00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:36.616
park.

00:42:36.640 --> 00:42:38.536
I don't support the loss of open green

00:42:38.560 --> 00:42:41.016
spaces for the provisional of additional

00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:43.496
tarmac based sporting facilities because

00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:45.176
I think that's contrary to the open

00:42:45.200 --> 00:42:47.256
space and urban forest policies of both

00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.280
council and the state. And my question

00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.599
for council is as groundwater has been

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.095
identified as a key consideration, what

00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.936
effect does this have on the suitability

00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:00.696
and the cost of building in this section

00:43:00.720 --> 00:43:03.720
of the park land? What other sites have

00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.736
been investigated as potential sites for

00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.896
net facilities given residents may

00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.496
object to the use of the land being

00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:11.815
covered in ashfelt and fenced when this

00:43:11.839 --> 00:43:14.839
information is announced publicly?

00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.136
And what replacement park land and open

00:43:18.160 --> 00:43:20.536
green space is council proposing given

00:43:20.560 --> 00:43:23.560
the net loss of this land.

00:43:24.160 --> 00:43:26.776
Um I really want the net people to get

00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.575
what they need. Um and I don't want it

00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.376
to be put off again because

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.400
we're it's being built in a marsh.

00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:36.216
Thanks for your time.

00:43:36.240 --> 00:43:37.815
Thank you Amanda. And councilors may

00:43:37.839 --> 00:43:39.656
wish to take those questions up on your

00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:42.680
behalf when we get to the item.  next

00:43:43.520 --> 00:43:46.456
 submitter to an agenda item is for

00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.776
item 10.1, the endorsement of Carlile

00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.335
Street, the Ba Clav Streetscape plan. We

00:43:51.359 --> 00:43:54.359
have Dr. Jerry Mccclaclin. Come on down.

00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:56.856
Starting with your name, suburb, and up

00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.880
to two minutes.

00:44:12.240 --> 00:44:14.536
Thank you. Dr. Geredine McLolin. I'm a

00:44:14.560 --> 00:44:17.560
Bellaclava owner and resident. Um my 

00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.896
point that I'd like to make is  around

00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.920
this streetscape consultation process. I

00:44:25.200 --> 00:44:28.200
noticed that officers in 4.12 officers

00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.536
met representatives from better

00:44:30.560 --> 00:44:32.776
balaclava which is a group that I

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.800
co-formed. I just want it noted formally

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.920
that better balaclava  I I believe

00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.496
does not represent the locals of

00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:44.520
balaclava that the two that met with the

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.800
officers do not live in balaclava and

00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.335
one has a conflict of interest. So those

00:44:51.359 --> 00:44:54.359
representations do not represent locals

00:44:54.560 --> 00:44:57.416
and I my concern is that there isn't a

00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.656
formal process to involve directly

00:44:59.680 --> 00:45:02.616
affected locals who live directly in

00:45:02.640 --> 00:45:05.176
balaclava and that you're privileging a

00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:07.095
group that now I believe does not

00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.256
represent locals. Thank you.

00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.280
Thank you Jerry.

00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.480
And that concludes a public question and

00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.136
speaking to submission component. Now

00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:21.160
councilors, it's your time. Any council

00:45:21.200 --> 00:45:24.200
questions from counselors to officers?

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.280
Item five. Yes, councelor Halliday.

00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.416
Um just following up on that question

00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.440
about um permits for construction  and

00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.976
how we manage those. I'm just wondering

00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.136
 could you clarify

00:45:42.160 --> 00:45:44.295
obviously understanding the the nuance

00:45:44.319 --> 00:45:47.176
of the Dow Street situation but when we

00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:49.575
do um

00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.896
 you know issue permits for

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.295
construction or traffic management plans

00:45:54.319 --> 00:45:57.319
is the preference to um have the

00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:59.416
construction happen off a main road or

00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:02.440
off and off a secondary road that 

00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.280
during the construction phase.

00:46:07.359 --> 00:46:10.359
Um thank you and through you  may 

00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.656
the preference the guiding principle and

00:46:13.680 --> 00:46:16.536
the preference and the focus is to

00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:19.560
minimize the impact on the amenity

00:46:20.560 --> 00:46:23.560
impact on local residents.  ideally

00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.280
where that is a main road that can be

00:46:29.040 --> 00:46:31.736
accommodated. The reality is that most

00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.760
of the main roads are thoroughares that

00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:36.856
are heavily used by traffic and tend to

00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.880
be um DTP roads and and clearly the

00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:44.520
thoroughares it prioritizes those

00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:47.416
traffic movements and similarly we we

00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:49.656
would to the extent that it's a council

00:46:49.680 --> 00:46:52.376
road that's a main road we would need to

00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.456
have an impact we need we do need to

00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.335
consider the broader amenity impacts but

00:46:57.359 --> 00:46:59.335
as I said we understand for a

00:46:59.359 --> 00:47:00.376
development of

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.856
type for this period of time. We want to

00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:04.936
make sure the outcome gets that balance

00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.095
right and has a focus on those local

00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:08.295
residents.

00:47:08.319 --> 00:47:10.216
Thank you.

00:47:10.240 --> 00:47:12.216
Thank you, councelor Halliday. Any

00:47:12.240 --> 00:47:13.976
further questions for officers? Deputy

00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.176
Mayers.

00:47:15.200 --> 00:47:16.936
Thank you, Mayor Min. My question

00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.960
relates to the um proposed

00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.119
 application for the site in Kingsway

00:47:25.680 --> 00:47:28.536
for the development of the United Fuel

00:47:28.560 --> 00:47:31.560
Area. I'm advised that the sub there is

00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:33.736
subsoil contamination

00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.760
as that site was many years ago used as

00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.599
a fuel  refueling site. Um, and I'm

00:47:43.040 --> 00:47:45.335
I'm not aware of this, but in the event

00:47:45.359 --> 00:47:48.359
that  the application was successful,

00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:51.640
is it a would it be a requirement for

00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.760
the soil subs soil to be remediated

00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.440
before the installation of a new f fuel

00:47:58.640 --> 00:48:01.640
site to go ahead?

00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.400
Thank you. Through you, mayor. Um,

00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.599
deputy mayor. Um at this stage um we're

00:48:11.839 --> 00:48:13.976
having a look at the application. It's

00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.936
um it's on our desks. Um we will review

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.656
it. We'll review any requirements in

00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:21.496
relation to if there are any in relation

00:48:21.520 --> 00:48:23.656
to if there is subs contamination if

00:48:23.680 --> 00:48:26.680
there are any requirements to um

00:48:27.200 --> 00:48:29.656
remediate those. what I will do is

00:48:29.680 --> 00:48:31.496
undertake to ensure that that

00:48:31.520 --> 00:48:34.216
information is provided to you and and

00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:36.856
if it's a relevant part of our planning

00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.696
considerations that will also be

00:48:38.720 --> 00:48:40.776
included in the public report. What I

00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.575
cannot do is include matters that are

00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.055
extraneous from our um planning

00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.216
considerations as part of that report

00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:49.896
but to the extent that they are relevant

00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.920
they will be in the report.

00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:56.456
Thank you. Any further questions for

00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:59.016
officers?

00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:02.040
Yes, councelor Halliday. Um,

00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.880
we heard then about the um the parcel of

00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.176
land adjacent to South Melbourne Market

00:49:09.200 --> 00:49:10.696
 which has been boarded up for some

00:49:10.720 --> 00:49:12.936
time. I'm just wondering, and this is a

00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:14.856
question without notice, whether that

00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.095
vacant land has triggered our

00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:20.119
differential rates for um unactivated

00:49:20.319 --> 00:49:23.319
land.

00:49:26.319 --> 00:49:28.376
I don't think we have Peter Lou here, so

00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.535
we might we might take them together.

00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.016
I think we'll um in the absence of Robin

00:49:33.040 --> 00:49:34.696
Bully, I'll take that on notice and come

00:49:34.720 --> 00:49:37.095
back to you.

00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:38.936
Thank you. Any further questions?

00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.256
Councelor Joe.

00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.136
Um may have to take this one on notice.

00:49:44.160 --> 00:49:47.160
Um but some residents on Dow Street have

00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.599
referred to Eastern um

00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.440
 Eastern Road um as an example of when

00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.960
construction did happen on a tram

00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.335
corridor. Um was there any different

00:50:03.359 --> 00:50:05.256
circumstances

00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.280
in that situation? because 11 Eastern

00:50:08.319 --> 00:50:10.936
Road has got both a narrow lane out the

00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.815
back  bordering the petrol station,

00:50:13.839 --> 00:50:16.055
the current AOL one, which is probably

00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.079
the same size as Dao Street, yet um I'm

00:50:20.160 --> 00:50:21.976
led to believe that the majority of the

00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.000
construction happened on Eastern Road.

00:50:25.200 --> 00:50:28.200
Can we um maybe look into that and

00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.400
understand why one was allowed

00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.920
um to be on um and the and the other one

00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:38.216
on Eastern Road across the street was

00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:41.240
also developed from Eastern Road that

00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.280
has the same tram if not the same tram.

00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.400
So, is there a reason why um one site

00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.496
um where we're we're you know trying to

00:50:51.520 --> 00:50:54.055
manage a a 10- foot wide lane and on

00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.079
another site we did work in conjunction

00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.440
with the trans.

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.295
 thank you may and through you may um

00:51:04.319 --> 00:51:07.176
I am  aware of at least one of those

00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:10.200
examples and they have been raised um

00:51:10.240 --> 00:51:13.016
with officers. Um we've had a look at

00:51:13.040 --> 00:51:16.040
them. I I cannot bring to mind the the

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.880
reason that the outcome was as as you've

00:51:20.319 --> 00:51:23.256
indicated, but I'll um come back to you.

00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:24.696
I'll check with the officers and we'll

00:51:24.720 --> 00:51:26.216
come back to you and explain to you in

00:51:26.240 --> 00:51:27.896
terms of those outcomes there what

00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.920
happened.

00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.456
Just to follow up on that in relation to

00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:36.936
state roads or declared roads where the

00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.535
authority is the department of transport

00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.335
and planning I assume they are obviously

00:51:41.359 --> 00:51:42.936
the decision authority in terms of

00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.095
whether constructions allowed from those

00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.496
roads. Yes, it's not council can't

00:51:47.520 --> 00:51:50.295
necessarily dictate it so to speak or

00:51:50.319 --> 00:51:52.535
determine it.

00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.055
U

00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.295
yes that's right just to um the

00:51:56.319 --> 00:51:58.535
development application in this case was

00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.559
determined by council. The use of that

00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.920
road by the developer  is a matter for

00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:07.960
the department of transport.

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.960
Any further questions from counselors

00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.559
towards officers?

00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:20.616
I might have one.  do we have any

00:52:20.640 --> 00:52:22.456
further clarification around the time

00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.856
frames for the plumber and Graeme Street

00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.016
intersection and the southern pedestrian

00:52:27.040 --> 00:52:30.040
crossing?

00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.960
Um thank you mayor. Look um

00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.416
I don't think I do but I have got a

00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.496
meeting um with the CEO and the

00:52:41.520 --> 00:52:44.055
department of transport tomorrow. Um so

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.535
we will um raise that issue with them

00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:48.055
and just see if we can get a further

00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.079
update that we can provide to you.

00:52:51.359 --> 00:52:53.656
Thank you.

00:52:53.680 --> 00:52:56.680
Any further questions for officers?

00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.760
Going once, going twice.

00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.119
On to the next item. Item six. We have

00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.535
no petitions, joint leaders, or

00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.559
deputations on tonight's agenda. So, we

00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.456
will now move to the presentation of a

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.480
of reports.  just a reminder that 

00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.095
in line with governance rule 21 item

00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.176
17.2, to the Alwood Foreshore master

00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:22.856
plan  the development director

00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.696
appointment of consultant has been

00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:27.016
deferred to the 5th of August  council

00:53:27.040 --> 00:53:29.976
meeting and that had been updated in the

00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:33.000
agenda brings us now to item 7.1 the

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.800
presentation of the CO report for May

00:53:38.160 --> 00:53:41.160
issue 129 any questions from councilors

00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.976
yes councelor Jay

00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.000
um there was a sorry I did send an

00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:50.535
email, but you might not have the

00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:52.376
answer. There was a mention in the CEO

00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.256
report about a camera being put in CCTV

00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.280
camera on George Lane in St Kilda. I was

00:53:59.359 --> 00:54:02.295
probably just concerned or curious about

00:54:02.319 --> 00:54:05.319
what that location actually was. Um the

00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.736
map sort of showed George Lane only part

00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.136
of it. That could be Little Gray

00:54:10.160 --> 00:54:12.936
Parallel. Um I'm asking cuz we've got

00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.095
issues on Little Gray Parallel and

00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.575
George would suggest it's just outside

00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:19.896
the kebab shop. So I was just wondering

00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.920
where that location was.

00:54:25.839 --> 00:54:27.976
Through you, Mayor. Thank you for the

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:29.656
question. We will take that one on

00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:32.376
notice. Councelor,

00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.016
I think I can answer that actually.

00:54:35.040 --> 00:54:37.496
So through you may the George lane

00:54:37.520 --> 00:54:40.456
there's a a minor um council activation

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.776
that was inputed at the end of that lane

00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:44.936
some time ago but it's also the entrance

00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.815
to a range of hospitality venues in that

00:54:47.839 --> 00:54:49.736
space. So it's right next there's an

00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.295
Indian um food store and then there's a

00:54:52.319 --> 00:54:54.696
small laneway that's been activated and

00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:56.456
it's the entry to a range of hospitality

00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:59.095
venues. So there's um I think that's

00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.119
where the CCTV is being being inputed.

00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.256
Um,

00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.280
I think I'll probably take this offline.

00:55:10.720 --> 00:55:12.376
,

00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.936
no further question.

00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.815
, can we put a camera out the back

00:55:17.839 --> 00:55:19.896
where we've had some serious social

00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.535
behavior which is a little gray street

00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.335
or little gray lane. George Lane used to

00:55:25.359 --> 00:55:28.359
turn into a square around. council put

00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.535
in an intervention or a mitigation for

00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.176
safety which was a landscape garden at

00:55:33.200 --> 00:55:35.256
the end of George. What's happening is

00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.656
people are coming in through little

00:55:37.680 --> 00:55:40.680
little gray and creating um some 

00:55:41.680 --> 00:55:44.055
issues for residents that we've met with

00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.079
numerous times um that live on Gray

00:55:47.359 --> 00:55:49.575
Street. They can't access their car park

00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.416
safely which is in the Alex Theater.

00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.256
So councelor Joe the questions around

00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.016
potential additional cameras in that

00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:56.616
location you've suggested. Yes.

00:55:56.640 --> 00:55:59.176
Yes. Yep.

00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:00.856
through through you, mayor. Thank you

00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.095
for the question. We'll take that one on

00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:05.496
notice.

00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:08.520
Any further questions for item 7.1, the

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:10.376
presentation of the CEO report?

00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:11.736
Councelor Halliday.

00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.335
 thank you, Mayor. Just briefly and

00:56:13.359 --> 00:56:16.359
without notice. Um  not noting in the

00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.815
CEO report that we're seeing a decline

00:56:19.839 --> 00:56:22.376
in the number of older residents placed

00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.400
in housing. Um and  recognizing that

00:56:28.799 --> 00:56:31.799
150  Inkman Street and 150 is it

00:56:32.319 --> 00:56:35.319
Victoria Avenue up in Albert Park are um

00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.880
 slated for um redevelopment and we

00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.376
have lost our kind of nomination rights

00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.016
for those. What work are we doing to um

00:56:45.040 --> 00:56:48.040
engage with  DFFH around um you know

00:56:50.240 --> 00:56:53.240
 securing nomination rights to other

00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:56.920
other um  housing op options for our

00:56:57.200 --> 00:56:59.575
old residents

00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.055
through you mayor.  council still very

00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.079
much has its nomination rights. Um so

00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:08.216
those um certainly still exist. 

00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:10.376
however they have been frozen. So the

00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.400
nomination rights exist.  but they

00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.216
they are frozen um on a couple of

00:57:16.240 --> 00:57:18.295
properties at the moment  that are

00:57:18.319 --> 00:57:21.256
currently being  redeveloped or will

00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.496
soon be redeveloped by the state

00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.520
government.  officers have provided an

00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:29.720
initial briefing to councilors on that

00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.920
and are um going to be having further

00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.335
conversations with the department 

00:57:35.359 --> 00:57:38.359
about that.

00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:41.960
Any further questions on item 7.1?

00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.920
Hi everyone. On page 15, we identify the

00:57:49.200 --> 00:57:50.856
committee infrastructure plan and the

00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:52.856
additional work around domain and

00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:54.376
lakeside

00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.535
and  the greater level of granuality

00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.376
that  this council requested when it

00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.775
came back.  do we have  any

00:58:00.799 --> 00:58:02.376
indication around how that work is

00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.616
progressing and the time frames as well

00:58:04.640 --> 00:58:07.095
and how it will feed into the current

00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:08.696
stage of the committee infrastructure

00:58:08.720 --> 00:58:09.736
plan?

00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:11.575
 through you may thank you for the

00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.575
question I might start and then I might

00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.599
ask Christine to add  following

00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:18.696
council's adoption of the community

00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:21.335
infrastructure plan and also a request

00:58:21.359 --> 00:58:24.295
to create  three appendices. So, one

00:58:24.319 --> 00:58:27.319
for  Lakeside Domain and Fisherman's

00:58:27.359 --> 00:58:30.359
Bend. That work has  commenced.  SGS

00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.416
economics have been working with council

00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:36.136
to provide that data. As I understand

00:58:36.160 --> 00:58:38.856
it, we have a first draft of that that

00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.880
officers are reviewing  currently and

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.736
then we'd be looking to present that to

00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.616
councilors  shortly, but I might just

00:58:46.640 --> 00:58:48.295
check with Christine if there's anything

00:58:48.319 --> 00:58:51.319
further to add.

00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.496
So I assume that will help  input into

00:58:53.520 --> 00:58:55.176
the precinct planning work that's being

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:57.256
undert is going to be undertaken for

00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.016
domain lakeside as well

00:58:59.040 --> 00:59:02.040
through you mayor. Yes, absolutely.

00:59:02.240 --> 00:59:04.136
It's great to see once again that work

00:59:04.160 --> 00:59:06.936
progressing. Thank you.

00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.960
Any Yes, councelor Thomann.

00:59:10.640 --> 00:59:12.376
Yes, it seems to be that it's a regular

00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.016
occurrence in the series report the

00:59:15.040 --> 00:59:17.976
Senil Pier landscape works upgrade where

00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.856
the completion date is May 26 and

00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.880
obviously we passed May 26 and the date

00:59:24.799 --> 00:59:27.799
hasn't been updated to I think October.

00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.480
So that's on page 

00:59:31.680 --> 00:59:34.680
20 27 of the report.

00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.496
Welcome back Len.

00:59:39.520 --> 00:59:41.656
Thank you mayor. Thank you councelor

00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:44.680
Tommen. The um date has slipped since

00:59:45.680 --> 00:59:48.680
the report production. Um I'm happy to

00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.416
say that the last issues that we had

00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:53.896
with getting the utility providers

00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.920
approvals have been overcome. So, we've

00:59:57.440 --> 00:59:59.976
been able to progress with the demo of

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.000
the kiosk, which should be in full

01:00:03.040 --> 01:00:04.696
flight and finished by the end of next

01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:06.216
week. You would have seen in the last

01:00:06.240 --> 01:00:08.295
few days that the road barriers have

01:00:08.319 --> 01:00:10.456
come down and the traffic management's

01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:12.136
been significantly reduced just to a

01:00:12.160 --> 01:00:14.696
minor portion around the front of the

01:00:14.720 --> 01:00:17.720
pier. Um, I I'll have to check. I

01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:20.295
believe I sent out a council note with

01:00:20.319 --> 01:00:22.936
an updated completion date. We're

01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.960
looking um like we are going to go very

01:00:27.200 --> 01:00:29.736
close to that. Um but we're still

01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.295
waiting for a couple of things with the

01:00:32.319 --> 01:00:35.319
palm tree delivery and installation. Um

01:00:35.520 --> 01:00:37.896
but I can do a refresh on the schedule

01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.656
and come back to councilors with an

01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:41.815
update.

01:00:41.839 --> 01:00:43.095
Thank you, Glenn.

01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:44.775
So when do you think it will be

01:00:44.799 --> 01:00:46.376
finished?

01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.856
We're

01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:50.775
still optimistic

01:00:50.799 --> 01:00:53.496
end of July, but it's incredibly tight.

01:00:53.520 --> 01:00:56.055
Um, so I'm going to be cautious and say

01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:58.856
mid August that are all the above ground

01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:00.936
stuff other than the bus bays to the

01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:03.656
north because we're still waiting for um

01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:06.456
City power design for the relocation of

01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.535
the underground conduits.

01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.176
Okay. through you may just to clarify I

01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:12.775
think as per previous advice from

01:01:12.799 --> 01:01:15.799
council officers they suspect the the

01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:18.936
full completion date will be October but

01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.456
that's including the underground works

01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.775
that we need to do around drainage um

01:01:22.799 --> 01:01:25.799
the above ground works as  Glenn has

01:01:25.839 --> 01:01:27.416
outlined

01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:29.976
ideally by the end of July but that

01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.456
might go into August based on some of

01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.456
the discussion you just had around the

01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.176
palm trees although that bus bay will

01:01:37.200 --> 01:01:39.815
also continue until we have to until

01:01:39.839 --> 01:01:41.976
we've got the the low ground works

01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.535
completed.

01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.456
Councelor Gonzaleo,

01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:48.376
thank you. Given that the CEO report

01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.016
does mention dual  youth sporting

01:01:51.040 --> 01:01:53.335
grounds, I'd just like to  ask a

01:01:53.359 --> 01:01:55.016
question around the really sad tragedy

01:01:55.040 --> 01:01:56.856
that happened recently with a football

01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.815
player hitting their head and the works

01:01:59.839 --> 01:02:02.376
that council have sent an email today to

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.176
council officers, sorry, to councilors

01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:07.095
saying what the council is doing to

01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:08.535
ensure that our grounds are up to

01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.295
scratch. Is this something that can be

01:02:10.319 --> 01:02:12.456
communicated to the sporting clubs to

01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.295
really put the communities at ease as

01:02:14.319 --> 01:02:17.319
people keep playing on fields and this

01:02:17.359 --> 01:02:20.295
has been highlighted

01:02:20.319 --> 01:02:23.256
through you mayor?  yes  absolutely

01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:26.280
we can arrange  to do to do that. I I

01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.535
think that would be a very good idea.

01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:30.136
Possibly social media as well please.

01:02:30.160 --> 01:02:31.496
Thanks. Yep.

01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:32.936
Councelor Halliday,

01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.815
just following up on that. Um, like do

01:02:35.839 --> 01:02:38.295
we have an objective test for the I I

01:02:38.319 --> 01:02:40.376
know we have the the test that is a

01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:43.400
standard AFL test for these um covered

01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:46.136
wickets, but is there some kind of

01:02:46.160 --> 01:02:48.535
objective way of assessing whether they

01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.559
are safe or not?

01:02:54.640 --> 01:02:57.640
Oh you may I might start but or Peter

01:02:58.240 --> 01:03:00.775
Benazik are you comfortable to respond

01:03:00.799 --> 01:03:02.936
through you may um look thanks for the

01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.335
question councelor Holiday at at current

01:03:05.359 --> 01:03:07.496
the only acceptable test is the cleague

01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:10.520
test which is manages the um compaction

01:03:10.640 --> 01:03:13.176
rate of the ground um there's not I'm

01:03:13.200 --> 01:03:16.055
not aware of any other um objective test

01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.696
in terms of understanding the substrate

01:03:18.720 --> 01:03:21.176
and the um compaction of the substrate

01:03:21.200 --> 01:03:24.200
straight in that space. Um and also I

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.960
guess the um the in terms of managing

01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:31.416
that space, we're clearly looking at

01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:33.335
undertaking regular testing to ensure

01:03:33.359 --> 01:03:36.055
that our  the compaction rates are at

01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:37.815
the acceptable level which is measured

01:03:37.839 --> 01:03:39.976
in the AFL through the Kle hammer

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.055
process

01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:44.535
and okay just following up on that. So

01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.559
then is that is that clay hammer process

01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:50.599
there when as it measures the compaction

01:03:50.799 --> 01:03:52.295
there are we looking for the same

01:03:52.319 --> 01:03:55.319
compaction as the ground

01:03:56.799 --> 01:03:59.656
so it should be no more hard than the

01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:01.496
correct so that's looking at the

01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:04.520
acceptable hardness of a surface um that

01:04:05.200 --> 01:04:08.200
has the in terms of the um the science

01:04:08.240 --> 01:04:11.240
around not creating harm so that so the

01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:13.896
center wicket actually operates at the

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.920
same tension as a outfield, a grass or

01:04:17.520 --> 01:04:20.520
organic outfield.

01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:25.480
Any further questions for officers

01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:31.960
in relation to this report?

01:04:32.799 --> 01:04:34.936
No. In which case, we have a

01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:36.616
recommendation before us. We have a

01:04:36.640 --> 01:04:38.936
mover in the deputy mayor, Brian May,

01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.575
and we have a seconder in council surge

01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:44.376
demand. Got to be quick in this. ,

01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.400
does the mover wish to speak?

01:04:48.319 --> 01:04:51.015
No, I don't. Thank you. You just did.

01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:54.039
Does the second wish to speak? Any other

01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:57.480
counselor wish to speak to this item or

01:04:57.680 --> 01:05:00.055
forever hold your peace?

01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.055
, in which case no other counselor has

01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:03.815
indicated they wish to speak. Back to

01:05:03.839 --> 01:05:06.839
the mover. Should you wish to close?

01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:09.880
No, thank you. Well closed. , the

01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:12.856
motion is before us. So all those and it

01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.880
has been put all those in favor that

01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.000
motion is carried unanimously.

01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:24.280
Takes us to item 8.1

01:05:25.520 --> 01:05:28.520
 the Randre Warong native title claim.

01:05:35.359 --> 01:05:37.896
Any questions for officers in relation

01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:40.920
to this report? Councelor Jay,

01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.280
sorry I had my hand up very quickly. Um,

01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:47.095
I do have a question. Um, is it possible

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.736
for the officers to explain what it

01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.136
actually means for council to join these

01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:55.160
proceedings as a respondent party?

01:05:58.480 --> 01:05:59.976
Thank you. The response will be provided

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:01.736
by Christine Denny.

01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:03.256
, through you mayor and thank you

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.656
Betty for the question. Um, so joining

01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:07.575
as a respondent party allows council to

01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:09.656
stay informed and participate in matters

01:06:09.680 --> 01:06:11.896
that may affect land and assets that

01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.295
council has responsibilities for. It

01:06:14.319 --> 01:06:15.736
does not mean council supports or

01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:17.736
opposes the claim, nor does it indicate

01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:19.896
support for any traditional owner group.

01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:21.656
Council does not decide who should hold

01:06:21.680 --> 01:06:23.896
native title. That's a matter for the

01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.920
federal court.

01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:30.280
Any further questions to this item?

01:06:32.319 --> 01:06:34.696
We have a recommendation before us. Is

01:06:34.720 --> 01:06:36.616
there a counselor that wishes to move?

01:06:36.640 --> 01:06:39.256
Moved. Councelor Halliday. Seconded.

01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.896
Councelor Jay. Does the mover wish to

01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.696
speak?

01:06:44.720 --> 01:06:46.856
Thank you. Does the seconder wish to

01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.880
speak?

01:06:51.359 --> 01:06:54.359
You may speak as seconder.

01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:57.575
No, I' I've changed my mind.

01:06:57.599 --> 01:06:58.856
That was very brief.

01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.736
That was council J. Very brief.  any

01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.760
other counselor wish to speak?

01:07:05.520 --> 01:07:07.176
No other counselor is speaking to the

01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:09.095
item. In which case, back to the mover.

01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.736
Should you wish to close?  just noting

01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:14.760
here that it is um appropriate for us to

01:07:14.799 --> 01:07:17.015
um join as a respondent party. But this

01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.039
does not um in any way um  you know um

01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:25.160
what is it support or in or oppose the

01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:28.055
claim um or indicate support for any

01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:30.775
other groups. So we are just um you know

01:07:30.799 --> 01:07:32.535
following along with the proceedings

01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.559
here. Um so happy to support this.

01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:37.815
The mover has closed the debate and

01:07:37.839 --> 01:07:39.896
therefore the motion is now put. We will

01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:41.896
take it to the vote. All those in favor

01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.775
of the recommendation before us that is

01:07:44.799 --> 01:07:47.799
carried unanimously.

01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.480
Takes us to item 9.1 Melbourne water

01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.936
flood modeling and mapping. Any

01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.575
questions for officers for this item?

01:07:57.599 --> 01:07:59.896
Yes, councelor Jay.

01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:02.920
Um, I don't think I think don't know if

01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:04.616
our residents know this, but we have

01:08:04.640 --> 01:08:07.015
been undergoing an audit of our drains

01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:08.936
and I was just really curious at how

01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.960
that audit and the cleaning is going

01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.936
um through through you may  we've and

01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.255
thanks for your question councelor Jay.

01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:23.655
We've certainly been progressing.  the

01:08:23.679 --> 01:08:25.735
I think from memory we have 36

01:08:25.759 --> 01:08:28.536
catchments and I believe 22 of those

01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.560
have been cleaned in that process.

01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.600
There's um an active video capture

01:08:34.719 --> 01:08:37.496
process and I believe we've got 44% of

01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:40.215
our network captured with a view to

01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.936
extending that video condition

01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.960
reporting. Um we've certainly got plans

01:08:46.400 --> 01:08:48.616
in terms of further cleaning activities

01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:51.640
to optimize the network's capaCity. So

01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:53.655
um in terms of our existing drainage

01:08:53.679 --> 01:08:55.815
network, we've also got an asset

01:08:55.839 --> 01:08:58.295
management plan that um work that in

01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.775
draft that responds to the maintenance

01:09:00.799 --> 01:09:03.016
and  the maintenance of the network

01:09:03.040 --> 01:09:05.175
and the appropriate activities to ensure

01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:07.576
the network's in its optimal um

01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:10.600
condition.

01:09:11.759 --> 01:09:14.295
 yes, councelor Halliday.

01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:17.319
 thank you, mayor. So I was amused um

01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.215
recently during the week um by an age

01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:22.775
headline that said Melbourne suburbs

01:09:22.799 --> 01:09:25.416
where the number of homes at flood risk

01:09:25.440 --> 01:09:27.655
jumped eightfold

01:09:27.679 --> 01:09:30.679
as a as a result of these new flood maps

01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:33.735
here. I'm wondering whether

01:09:33.759 --> 01:09:36.759
could you clarify here the flood maps

01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.960
themselves don't expose people to floods

01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.175
right when when when these come out you

01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.096
the water isn't going to follow the

01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:47.815
flood map the flood map just shows where

01:09:47.839 --> 01:09:49.496
the water will flow like it's not like

01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:52.456
these suddenly expose houses that were

01:09:52.480 --> 01:09:54.776
otherwise going to be safe from floods

01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:57.576
do they

01:09:57.600 --> 01:09:59.655
um through

01:09:59.679 --> 01:10:02.296
yeah through you may I think I I

01:10:02.320 --> 01:10:04.536
understand the intent of the question so

01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.296
yeah I mean this is a flood map and

01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:09.320
flood model so this is modeling what

01:10:09.440 --> 01:10:11.416
flood behavior effectively but it

01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:12.695
doesn't mean immediately things are

01:10:12.719 --> 01:10:14.456
happening tomorrow you know this is this

01:10:14.480 --> 01:10:17.480
is flooding tomorrow so um but we'll see

01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.896
if through this we'll be receiving the

01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.135
the flood mapping and being able to

01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:25.159
understand the the um impacts or the the

01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:29.016
implications for City portfol

01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:30.776
And with apologies, I think what I was

01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.096
trying to say is the flood risk will

01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:34.856
still remain even if we don't do the

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:36.536
flood mapping. It's just that the flood

01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:39.560
map risk will be unidentified if we did

01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:40.456
not do this.

01:10:40.480 --> 01:10:42.695
Sorry through you, M. So yes, and

01:10:42.719 --> 01:10:44.856
indeed, yeah, the flood risk remains

01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:46.536
here.

01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.616
A headline taking creative license. Who

01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:51.640
would have thought? , Deputy Mayor M.

01:10:54.320 --> 01:10:57.320
Thank you. Um so back to drainage which

01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.456
is something that occupies most of our

01:11:00.480 --> 01:11:03.480
minds. So in terms of the flooding

01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.960
 and the downpour we had the other day

01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:09.896
the

01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.616
Arthur Street St Kilda Road intersection

01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.640
was flooded as it normally is and across

01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.215
the road in another place which I'm

01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.456
assuming is Melbourne it was also

01:11:20.480 --> 01:11:22.776
flooded. Is there any coordination in

01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:25.800
the activities of drain clearing for

01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.960
this type of storm water issue or will

01:11:30.480 --> 01:11:32.376
we clean our side and sometime or

01:11:32.400 --> 01:11:34.695
another they'll clean their side and we

01:11:34.719 --> 01:11:37.096
hope it's nearly at the same time.

01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:40.056
Um through you may we do look at

01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:42.695
nuisance spots and we'll do additional

01:11:42.719 --> 01:11:45.719
investigations where we can. Um often we

01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:48.920
will in inspecting our drains where

01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:52.056
there's been some flooding issues often

01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:53.416
we'll be because of the nature of the

01:11:53.440 --> 01:11:55.816
City will be bordering on with either um

01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:57.096
department of transport or other

01:11:57.120 --> 01:11:59.655
people's drains as well. And where we

01:11:59.679 --> 01:12:01.816
can we use some of our technology to

01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.296
test out how those other drains are

01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:06.135
performing and provide feedback and work

01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:08.536
with other agencies

01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:11.175
um where we can. Um, everyone's got some

01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:12.536
financial constraints and different

01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.175
priorities around flooding. Um, but we

01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:16.536
have worked pretty well particularly in

01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:19.016
the Fisherman's Bend area

01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:20.616
um, with Melbourne Water and Department

01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:23.016
of Transport. Um, but there are further

01:12:23.040 --> 01:12:25.175
opportunities in that space. Um, but if

01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:27.576
there are nuisance areas of flooding, we

01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:29.175
try and keep an eye on them and and

01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.016
prioritize them for cleaning and also

01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:32.936
for inspection and potential capital

01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.960
works.

01:12:37.280 --> 01:12:38.856
Councelor Console,

01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.736
thank you. in the letter um of

01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:43.496
acknowledgement I think it was called

01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.135
the are those numbers the figures that

01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:47.416
we're expecting because we haven't seen

01:12:47.440 --> 01:12:49.096
the modeling going to be on the

01:12:49.120 --> 01:12:51.416
conservative side or a bit more bold or

01:12:51.440 --> 01:12:53.736
something in the middle

01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.056
could it be worse if they had chosen a

01:12:56.080 --> 01:12:58.536
different model number something like

01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.560
that

01:13:03.679 --> 01:13:04.376
Dr.

01:13:04.400 --> 01:13:07.400
Natalie Maron over to you.

01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:11.655
Okay. Is that on? Sorry. Three you may.

01:13:11.679 --> 01:13:14.215
Um it's difficult to answer that

01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:15.336
question right now cuz we haven't

01:13:15.360 --> 01:13:17.576
received the modeling. So the letter of

01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:19.496
acknowledgement is literally about just

01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:21.576
closing out the technical phase so that

01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:23.256
when we can receive the modeling and the

01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:25.256
report that will tell us, you know, how

01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:26.856
many more properties are impacted across

01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.416
the municipality. Um with any flood

01:13:29.440 --> 01:13:32.056
model um it will change depending on the

01:13:32.080 --> 01:13:34.296
inputs you put into it. So we pick a

01:13:34.320 --> 01:13:35.655
point in time, we pick a set of

01:13:35.679 --> 01:13:38.056
specifications to use and we go forward

01:13:38.080 --> 01:13:40.456
with that. Obviously every 5 to 10 years

01:13:40.480 --> 01:13:42.056
we want to update the model again and

01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:44.936
those figures will change.

01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:46.776
Yes, council console. Based on what

01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:48.296
other municipalities have been

01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:50.536
experiencing, if you've seen what they

01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:52.536
have, would you say that this approach

01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.560
has been conservative or bold? And

01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:58.616
what if that makes sense in the way I'm

01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:01.640
asking the question?

01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:05.175
 through you, mayor. Um

01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:08.199
I would say it is a balanced approach to

01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.960
what's required in terms of legislation

01:14:12.080 --> 01:14:14.856
and not putting too much extra risk on

01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.776
properties if that makes sense. So

01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.096
there'll probably be there might be an

01:14:19.120 --> 01:14:21.496
increase. Um but as councelor

01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.256
Halliday said before the risk is

01:14:23.280 --> 01:14:26.280
there whether we map it or not.

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:29.655
Yes, councelor Halliday.

01:14:29.679 --> 01:14:31.336
Sorry, just following up on that. We do

01:14:31.360 --> 01:14:33.576
there is another iteration coming is

01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.600
there not with updated um climate

01:14:37.679 --> 01:14:40.056
projections wasn't you know in our in

01:14:40.080 --> 01:14:42.296
our early discussions like last year I

01:14:42.320 --> 01:14:44.296
think we were doing this phase of it and

01:14:44.320 --> 01:14:46.135
then they were they Melbourne Water were

01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:48.536
going to adopt more

01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.560
you know a different um climate

01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:53.496
projections and tolerances or whatever

01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:55.256
it was into the future. what what can we

01:14:55.280 --> 01:14:58.280
expect from here

01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:01.655
 through you may so in the next

01:15:01.679 --> 01:15:03.655
iteration so not this one when we do it

01:15:03.679 --> 01:15:06.376
again in 5 years they will likely adopt

01:15:06.400 --> 01:15:09.096
um higher climate change projections um

01:15:09.120 --> 01:15:10.376
which are outlined in the Australian

01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:13.400
rainfall and runoff guidelines um and I

01:15:13.679 --> 01:15:14.695
think they're working through what that

01:15:14.719 --> 01:15:17.016
means for their network and you know

01:15:17.040 --> 01:15:19.336
flooding across Melbourne um but yeah

01:15:19.360 --> 01:15:20.536
it's hard for me to speak to at the

01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:22.296
moment because we're not at that stage

01:15:22.320 --> 01:15:25.320
we're at the previous Any

01:15:26.400 --> 01:15:28.376
further questions for officers?

01:15:28.400 --> 01:15:30.376
Councelor Jay.

01:15:30.400 --> 01:15:32.616
Um,

01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.496
don't expect an answer here. Will this

01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:38.520
flood mapping affect people's insurance?

01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.016
Um, through you, Mayor. So, the

01:15:47.040 --> 01:15:49.576
insurance companies will have their own

01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:51.736
mapping and modeling that they do

01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:54.760
themselves. So they will we're not sure

01:15:55.360 --> 01:15:57.336
if they will use this as an input for

01:15:57.360 --> 01:15:59.175
their own work. They certainly have

01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:01.175
their own modeling and they will be

01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:03.816
doing that themselves. We are doing this

01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:05.816
for our planning work and particularly

01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:06.856
the planning scheme amendment with

01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:08.695
Melbourne Water.

01:16:08.719 --> 01:16:11.719
Yeah. So through you may to add to that

01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:13.976
has been a question that we've asked

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:15.736
Melbourne Water and others previously

01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.816
and that's a similar kind of response

01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:20.456
that the insurance agencies are already

01:16:20.480 --> 01:16:23.175
pretty sophisticated um not necessarily

01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:25.655
relying on advice

01:16:25.679 --> 01:16:28.215
um that we do and they might have

01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:30.296
different risk appetites but so they'll

01:16:30.320 --> 01:16:31.336
be doing some of their own work. No

01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:33.175
doubt they'll look at it and review it.

01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:35.016
Um, but they try to say that there's not

01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:37.416
necessarily a correlation between this

01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:39.016
because the insurance agencies are

01:16:39.040 --> 01:16:41.976
already taking it into consideration.

01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:43.655
But

01:16:43.679 --> 01:16:46.679
I don't know

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:48.695
further questions. Councelor

01:16:48.719 --> 01:16:49.655
Halliday.

01:16:49.679 --> 01:16:51.655
Yeah, thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Um,

01:16:51.679 --> 01:16:53.336
we send this letter off to Melbourne

01:16:53.360 --> 01:16:55.655
Water. They undertake the process. What

01:16:55.679 --> 01:16:57.576
can people expect? when when can we

01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.600
expect to have the initial community

01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.336
engagement process and then see the maps

01:17:03.360 --> 01:17:05.016
released

01:17:05.040 --> 01:17:08.040
or I should I through you may I start

01:17:08.080 --> 01:17:10.616
and then Natalie Dr. Natalie can um fill

01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:12.936
in. But so obviously we have this letter

01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:14.296
of acknowledgement if the council

01:17:14.320 --> 01:17:16.936
endorses it tonight. Um council would

01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.896
receive the modeling we hope in August.

01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:22.920
We'd um have a look at that brief back

01:17:23.040 --> 01:17:25.016
come back to council for briefing on on

01:17:25.040 --> 01:17:27.175
what that means and community engagement

01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.199
um led by Melbourne Water in early 2027.

01:17:30.320 --> 01:17:33.320
Mr. PL I think that's right.

01:17:35.120 --> 01:17:38.120
Any further questions?

01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.976
Is that a question? Councelor Jay, you

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.376
looked like it.

01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:49.175
Councelor Halliday. Oh,

01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:50.296
question. I was going to move the

01:17:50.320 --> 01:17:51.576
recommendation.

01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.600
Councelor Jay, do you have a question?

01:17:58.159 --> 01:17:59.576
Councelor Joe, your question.

01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.600
Um, my question is, , as a council,

01:18:03.040 --> 01:18:04.936
what else are we doing to mitigate

01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.736
flooding? We obviously build a lot, drop

01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:10.760
a lot of bumen and built on a swamp. So

01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:12.936
what else are we doing to mitigate

01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:14.856
flooding in our community? I know you're

01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.880
doing lots.

01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:20.616
Well, I through you may I can probably

01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:22.376
start with this and I'm sure um some

01:18:22.400 --> 01:18:23.976
colleagues here will also fill in but we

01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:25.816
have  particularly in in the

01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.056
department I lead  water sensitive

01:18:28.080 --> 01:18:29.496
urban design program when we're looking

01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.520
at how we encourage and get  water

01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:35.336
through into these  rain gardens and

01:18:35.360 --> 01:18:37.976
make sure that we are taking  that

01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:39.896
first flush effectively of some of that.

01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:41.416
There's an obviously deping programs.

01:18:41.440 --> 01:18:42.456
There's a number of things that we're

01:18:42.480 --> 01:18:44.776
trying to do to ensure that we've talked

01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:46.776
about tonight asset making sure asset

01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.800
maintenance and and um cleaning etc is

01:18:50.400 --> 01:18:52.135
up to scratch and then we also have

01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:54.376
integrated water management plans as

01:18:54.400 --> 01:18:55.896
well. Is there anything else you could

01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:58.056
add?

01:18:58.080 --> 01:18:59.736
 three you may I just also add that

01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:01.576
we're looking at um community education

01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:03.896
as well. So helping the community um

01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:06.056
live with water.

01:19:06.080 --> 01:19:08.296
So um Fisherman's Bend is one of our key

01:19:08.320 --> 01:19:11.320
areas of flood risk. We've worked with a

01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:13.256
range of different partners in that

01:19:13.280 --> 01:19:15.096
space to look at a water sensitive City

01:19:15.120 --> 01:19:17.976
strategy. Um, and that's got a range of

01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.616
interventions from council, from

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:22.616
Melbourne Water, from Southeast Water.

01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:25.416
Um, it was informed with research and

01:19:25.440 --> 01:19:28.135
collaboration from universities.

01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:29.896
Um, so it's looking not only at hard

01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:31.256
infrastructure, but building for

01:19:31.280 --> 01:19:33.336
resilience into the future as well. um

01:19:33.360 --> 01:19:36.360
looking at how we can use  open spaces

01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:38.936
and other things to slow um flooding

01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.256
when it does occur. We've also looked at

01:19:41.280 --> 01:19:42.536
you know there's things in the planning

01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.936
scheme and planning requirements around

01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.736
how we build where we build. Um this

01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:49.496
flood modeling information will be a

01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.976
further input um to what else we need to

01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:53.976
do into the future. It will be an input

01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:55.256
to how we consider things around

01:19:55.280 --> 01:19:57.816
planning. It' also be an input to our

01:19:57.840 --> 01:19:59.416
future and more sophisticated asset

01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:01.496
management planning and whether  we

01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:02.776
need to look at the capaCity of our

01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.800
existing network.

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:08.296
So if I might ask a question in relation

01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:09.976
to that if we take for example

01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.135
Fisherman's Bend and Gladstone Street

01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:14.456
given that  this will provide updated

01:20:14.480 --> 01:20:16.296
modeling and mapping I assume this will

01:20:16.320 --> 01:20:18.135
provide an input into guiding some of

01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:20.376
the mitigation works in areas that are

01:20:20.400 --> 01:20:23.400
already prone to flooding. So through

01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:26.536
you may there's already this there

01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:27.896
there's already some work in place

01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:29.416
around Gladston Street. It's one of

01:20:29.440 --> 01:20:31.976
those ones that gets impacted

01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:34.695
um particularly when we have a high tide

01:20:34.719 --> 01:20:37.096
and a rain event  and also some of the

01:20:37.120 --> 01:20:39.256
work I think around Cur Park a few years

01:20:39.280 --> 01:20:41.496
ago potentially exacerbated some of the

01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:42.776
pooling and flooding that we had

01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:44.776
nuisance flooding. So there's some work

01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:47.655
that's been done in that space already.

01:20:47.679 --> 01:20:50.679
Um and it's part of the the development

01:20:51.360 --> 01:20:53.896
contributions plan that the unique one

01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:55.096
that actually has Melbourne Mortar

01:20:55.120 --> 01:20:56.536
involved and so there's been a range of

01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:58.695
infrastructure projects

01:20:58.719 --> 01:21:00.856
identified and some of those target that

01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:02.695
Gladston Street area. They're probably

01:21:02.719 --> 01:21:05.576
medium to longer term in the short term.

01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:07.096
We already have we're doing some

01:21:07.120 --> 01:21:08.776
designs. We've identified Gladston

01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:11.496
Street as one of the hot spots. Um we

01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:14.135
have  identified some designs and some

01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:15.496
options. We just need to test the

01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:17.256
feasibilities of those and how they

01:21:17.280 --> 01:21:19.016
might help particularly with managing

01:21:19.040 --> 01:21:22.040
some of the the title flows. Um but

01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:24.936
that's probably another year away. But

01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:27.096
yes, in addition, this additional flood

01:21:27.120 --> 01:21:29.896
modeling will again go in and update

01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.336
some of our assessments and our

01:21:31.360 --> 01:21:32.456
strategies.

01:21:32.480 --> 01:21:34.776
Excellent. Thank you. Any final

01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.655
questions before we had a council who

01:21:37.679 --> 01:21:39.016
was keen to move and tried to jump in

01:21:39.040 --> 01:21:42.040
early?

01:21:42.719 --> 01:21:44.536
You're moving the recommendation. It is

01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:47.256
moved by councelor Halliday. Is there

01:21:47.280 --> 01:21:49.816
a second to the recommendation before

01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:51.655
us?

01:21:51.679 --> 01:21:54.679
Yes.  seconded councelor Consol. Does

01:21:54.719 --> 01:21:57.719
the mover wish to speak?

01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:00.776
Awesome. Mover reserves the right to

01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:02.776
close. Over to the secondary councelor

01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:03.496
Consol.

01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.416
Thank you. I wish we could  wish away

01:22:05.440 --> 01:22:08.135
the  flooding. it it is going to be an

01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:10.215
issue and it feels a bit you're darned

01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:11.655
if you do you're darn if you don't with

01:22:11.679 --> 01:22:14.679
acknowledging it but as council holiday

01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.800
um said this modeling doesn't create the

01:22:18.480 --> 01:22:20.215
flooding the flooding's there anyway

01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:22.056
it's just identifying and it's going to

01:22:22.080 --> 01:22:24.456
impact a lot on development and one of

01:22:24.480 --> 01:22:26.695
our issues in the City of Port Philip is

01:22:26.719 --> 01:22:29.016
that we have a lot of heritage overlays

01:22:29.040 --> 01:22:30.856
and those houses were built very very

01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:32.776
very very low to the ground to begin

01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:35.800
with and so sometimes if people are

01:22:36.400 --> 01:22:38.856
going to um extend. They don't

01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:40.856
necessarily want to have this halfmeter

01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:41.976
or whatever the requirement the

01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.056
freeboard would be because it doesn't

01:22:44.080 --> 01:22:46.296
flow with the house, but it would be the

01:22:46.320 --> 01:22:47.896
right thing to do. It's just it's very

01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:49.896
difficult from a design point of view to

01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:51.736
acknowledge this. I'm really intrigued

01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:53.416
to see the modeling when it comes. It's

01:22:53.440 --> 01:22:55.336
it's kind of shocking we haven't seen it

01:22:55.360 --> 01:22:57.496
yet, but that this is the process. Sign

01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:59.416
a letter will get to us and we can start

01:22:59.440 --> 01:23:01.175
understanding this as a community, as in

01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:03.976
a council. Um,

01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:06.296
but it's it's going to be a big one and

01:23:06.320 --> 01:23:08.135
I I appreciate if it is a more

01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:09.576
conservative view right now. Even though

01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:11.655
I'm not trying to say let's um squash it

01:23:11.679 --> 01:23:14.215
and ignore it. We we as a society have

01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.239
to learn to adapt as the insurance

01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:19.016
companies and everything comes on board

01:23:19.040 --> 01:23:22.040
with the reality that's coming with um

01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:24.856
the flood waters.  it's not such a

01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:26.135
great thing to have waterfront property

01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:29.016
in this situation. Um, but I think we're

01:23:29.040 --> 01:23:30.695
working at it and the water sensitive

01:23:30.719 --> 01:23:32.856
urban design works. Trying to help

01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:35.016
people hold more storm water in a storm

01:23:35.040 --> 01:23:37.655
event on the property for that moment in

01:23:37.679 --> 01:23:39.096
time. Just let the system kind of

01:23:39.120 --> 01:23:41.496
release more is the objective. We're not

01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:43.256
trying to make it harder for people to

01:23:43.280 --> 01:23:44.695
get the planning permits, but it's

01:23:44.719 --> 01:23:46.456
trying to work collaboratively and

01:23:46.480 --> 01:23:48.456
collectively to solve an issue because

01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:51.480
we do live in a difficult area, but a

01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:54.376
wonderful area. Thank you.

01:23:54.400 --> 01:23:56.056
Thank you, Council Consol. a second to

01:23:56.080 --> 01:23:57.816
have spoken. Does any other counselor

01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.840
wish to speak to the item before us?

01:24:01.280 --> 01:24:04.280
Yes, councelor J.

01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.336
Um, look, fully support what councelor

01:24:07.360 --> 01:24:09.336
Consolo says. It is a little bit ironic

01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:12.360
that we have to um, you know,

01:24:13.280 --> 01:24:14.776
put the letter out to get the

01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:16.456
information, but that's where we find

01:24:16.480 --> 01:24:19.175
ourselves. It's also really ironic that

01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:21.336
in one breath we're talking about too

01:24:21.360 --> 01:24:23.016
much water in Port Philip and in the

01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:25.816
next agenda item with the data centers

01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:27.416
we'll be talking about you know the

01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:29.496
potential of not enough water for the

01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.496
data center. So, it is a wicked problem

01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:34.456
as my learned counselors would would

01:24:34.480 --> 01:24:37.416
say. Um, I will support this because

01:24:37.440 --> 01:24:39.175
it's important for our community who's

01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:41.655
very conscious about where they live to

01:24:41.679 --> 01:24:43.416
have more information while

01:24:43.440 --> 01:24:45.416
simultaneously working on the very

01:24:45.440 --> 01:24:47.976
boring practical stuff like  auditing

01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.816
and cleaning drains to make sure the

01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.840
water flow is good. So, thank you.

01:24:53.040 --> 01:24:55.096
Thank you, councelor Jay. Any other

01:24:55.120 --> 01:24:57.816
counselor wish to speak to the motion

01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.840
which is before us here this evening?

01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:05.880
No further speakers. The mover would

01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:08.135
like to close.

01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:09.976
Um

01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:12.615
thank you obviously everyone the

01:25:12.639 --> 01:25:14.215
officers who've been ushering this

01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:16.296
along. This is just another step on the

01:25:16.320 --> 01:25:19.096
journey. We'll be back probably next

01:25:19.120 --> 01:25:22.120
year um for more um on this when we see

01:25:22.480 --> 01:25:25.480
the actual um flood maps. 

01:25:27.280 --> 01:25:29.976
I think that this is just another impact

01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:31.416
of climate change that we're going to

01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:34.056
have to um manage and live with over the

01:25:34.080 --> 01:25:37.080
next um however long. um this one

01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:40.760
flooding and sea level rise  to me is

01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:43.736
going to be unstoppable and it's going

01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.456
to be our major challenge over the next

01:25:46.480 --> 01:25:49.480
um you know 100 or or more years if we

01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:52.840
if we get that um and

01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:55.896
City of Port Phillip is going to be the

01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.920
second most impacted suburb or you know

01:26:00.080 --> 01:26:03.080
um City  council

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:05.175
um because of sea level rise and

01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:07.175
flooding. So this is going to be a key

01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:10.199
issue for us for the future. Um not any

01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:14.536
defined future for the rest of it. So um

01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:16.376
this is just another little step on the

01:26:16.400 --> 01:26:19.400
way. Um and lastly, this is another cost

01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:23.960
that um we council face um through 

01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:27.655
you know the the externalities, the

01:26:27.679 --> 01:26:30.456
costs of climate change that we bear um

01:26:30.480 --> 01:26:32.936
whether it's through our insurance

01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:34.856
 costs for our houses or whether it's

01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:36.456
through the infrastructure that we have

01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:39.016
to build and rebuild to mitigate these

01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:41.016
these impacts.

01:26:41.040 --> 01:26:44.040
So here we are. Let's vote. Thank you

01:26:44.480 --> 01:26:45.655
councelor Halliday. Councelor

01:26:45.679 --> 01:26:47.096
Halliday as the mover has put the

01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:48.776
motion. The motion is now being put. So

01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:51.175
we'll take that to a vote. All those in

01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:54.199
favor that is carried unanimously.

01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:58.695
And we've been here for an hour and a

01:26:58.719 --> 01:27:00.615
half. So I might call a 5m minute break.

01:27:00.639 --> 01:27:03.639
We'll come back at 5 8.

01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:07.560
Welcome back.

01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:11.560
And before us now is item 9.2 two

01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:15.976
submission  for the Senate for the

01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.736
environmental sorry for the Senate

01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:19.336
environment committee the artificial

01:27:19.360 --> 01:27:21.336
intelligence on artificial intelligence

01:27:21.360 --> 01:27:24.296
and data centers this is item 9.2 too.

01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:26.056
Are there questions for the officers on

01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:29.080
this report? Councelor Buckingham.

01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:32.280
Thank you, Mayor Min. I noticed today

01:27:33.280 --> 01:27:35.496
that the prime minister made a major

01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:38.520
announcement about AI and data centers.

01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:42.215
This is a space that is moving so

01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.239
quickly. Um my question is given this

01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:49.336
major announcement, do we need to hit

01:27:49.360 --> 01:27:52.360
pause on this submission to ensure that

01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:54.776
it's still relevant given the

01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:56.135
developments that have just happened a

01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:59.159
few hours ago?

01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:03.239
 through you may I think um our

01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:05.976
submission is still valid. I think the

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.376
the issues, concerns and what we have

01:28:08.400 --> 01:28:10.056
raised in there are certainly ones we

01:28:10.080 --> 01:28:11.896
wouldn't not want to raise. I think we

01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:13.576
would be putting them forward. There's

01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:16.600
no reason why we can't look at um what

01:28:17.120 --> 01:28:18.776
the government I haven't looked at or

01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:19.896
heard what the government's announced,

01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:21.496
but I think what we've got here is quite

01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:24.520
a clear good submission about what um we

01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.336
as a City are concerned about and what

01:28:27.360 --> 01:28:29.816
we'd continue to raise to make sure it

01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:32.840
is on the agenda um in that in that um

01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.496
inquiry. So,

01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:37.016
yeah.

01:28:37.040 --> 01:28:39.175
Three. And there may well be things that

01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:41.096
now we can we'll have a look at it and

01:28:41.120 --> 01:28:42.376
cross reference. There may well be

01:28:42.400 --> 01:28:44.615
things that we're advocating for that

01:28:44.639 --> 01:28:47.639
may well now be um part of policy. I

01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:50.056
don't think it stops us from putting it

01:28:50.080 --> 01:28:52.456
ahead in a time when we've said that 

01:28:52.480 --> 01:28:55.480
when we've drafted it. Um I'm also just

01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:57.976
worried about the the time frames. When

01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:01.000
when's the completion the submission

01:29:01.040 --> 01:29:02.056
dates? Yeah,

01:29:02.080 --> 01:29:04.776
they've actually um through you may

01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:06.695
they've extended it to I think the 2nd

01:29:06.719 --> 01:29:09.655
of September now it was it was this

01:29:09.679 --> 01:29:12.135
month. So hence we were getting to here

01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:14.135
but there is a little bit more time for

01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:14.856
the

01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:17.496
final submission and yeah

01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:20.520
so what we might do is um plan to press

01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:24.920
ahead as as is now but before we do we

01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:26.776
will just do a quick cross reference

01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:29.800
with the the recent statement and see if

01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.000
there needs to be any adjustments.

01:29:33.440 --> 01:29:36.440
My counselor Buckingham

01:29:36.480 --> 01:29:38.456
would there be scope to look at the

01:29:38.480 --> 01:29:39.816
announcement? I understand that he's

01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:41.096
announced that there will be a national

01:29:41.120 --> 01:29:42.536
framework which is one of the things

01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:44.615
that our submission calls for and

01:29:44.639 --> 01:29:47.639
actually um go to influencing what that

01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.776
framework

01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:52.615
um

01:29:52.639 --> 01:29:55.639
establishes to actually try and inform

01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:59.336
the regulatory frameworks that he's

01:29:59.360 --> 01:30:02.056
committed to create.

01:30:02.080 --> 01:30:04.536
Yeah. So three may I think to Chris's

01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:06.056
point I think the opportunity now to

01:30:06.080 --> 01:30:07.896
probably have a have a look at that do

01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.920
the cross reference and see where we can

01:30:11.440 --> 01:30:13.175
make sure we're this is informing a

01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:14.615
national framework if that is indeed the

01:30:14.639 --> 01:30:16.456
case and so that the things that we've

01:30:16.480 --> 01:30:18.536
covered in there are things that they

01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:20.376
consider at least we put forward so that

01:30:20.400 --> 01:30:23.400
was something we can do um post tonight

01:30:24.080 --> 01:30:26.695
I think just to make sure as has cross

01:30:26.719 --> 01:30:27.175
reference

01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:29.576
maybe if I could just have a third bite

01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.600
to I think the federal decision is for a

01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:36.215
national framework and a and a national

01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:39.016
office that complements effectively what

01:30:39.040 --> 01:30:41.256
we've said which is our concern about a

01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:44.280
fragmented regulatory approach across

01:30:44.400 --> 01:30:47.016
three tiers of government.

01:30:47.040 --> 01:30:48.695
It complements it because we've

01:30:48.719 --> 01:30:51.655
supported a national approach

01:30:51.679 --> 01:30:53.655
with a with a voice for local

01:30:53.679 --> 01:30:55.496
government. um it might be worth

01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:57.175
reviewing it to make sure that our

01:30:57.199 --> 01:30:59.096
language aligns but certainly the

01:30:59.120 --> 01:31:01.175
direction that the government has

01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:03.976
proposed and our submission are broadly

01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.776
aligned.

01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:07.976
Councelor Halliday.

01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:09.576
Sorry, can we just clarify here? This

01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:11.976
submission is to the Senate inquiry. I

01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:13.655
assume that the Senate inquiry is

01:31:13.679 --> 01:31:15.896
proceeding under its established terms

01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:18.056
of reference and therefore our

01:31:18.080 --> 01:31:19.655
submission speaks to those terms of

01:31:19.679 --> 01:31:21.336
reference

01:31:21.360 --> 01:31:23.336
through May. Correct. And I will just

01:31:23.360 --> 01:31:25.655
I'll just note that Ed  colleague Ed

01:31:25.679 --> 01:31:27.736
head of sustainability online and is and

01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:30.056
has messaged to to also say that the

01:31:30.080 --> 01:31:31.496
parliamentary inquiry will be

01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:33.016
strengthening that national framework.

01:31:33.040 --> 01:31:36.040
So this is part of that that work. Um so

01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:39.496
correct

01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.520
any further questions for this item

01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.256
council

01:31:47.280 --> 01:31:50.280
councelor J. Um  mayor by

01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.560
by supporting an endorsement are we

01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:58.600
supporting data centers in our community

01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:06.920
 through you may no we we are 

01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:10.520
asking the government and as um my

01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:14.760
colleague um Brian T said looking at

01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.576
that um three tiers of government make

01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:18.856
sure we have a coordinated approach

01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:21.655
approach to data centers and that the

01:32:21.679 --> 01:32:23.896
concerns we have across all the

01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:26.920
different aspects are considered and in

01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:29.736
what we hope will be achieved through

01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:32.760
this inquiry. So  no directly that we

01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:35.416
we yeah want to make sure it's c

01:32:35.440 --> 01:32:38.440
can I just again the recommendation

01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:42.520
three of the submission recommendations

01:32:42.719 --> 01:32:45.655
says in relation to the location of data

01:32:45.679 --> 01:32:48.135
centers that data centers are developed

01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:51.159
in appropriate locations not within a

01:32:51.280 --> 01:32:53.016
areas such as in a Melbourne local

01:32:53.040 --> 01:32:55.336
government areas or capital City zones

01:32:55.360 --> 01:32:58.296
expressly opposes the location of data

01:32:58.320 --> 01:33:01.320
centers in the municipality.

01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:05.496
And just to reinforce that point, this

01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:07.336
is why in our recommendations, we're

01:33:07.360 --> 01:33:09.336
actually asking as part of this

01:33:09.360 --> 01:33:11.256
framework that local government's seen

01:33:11.280 --> 01:33:14.215
as a key partner in the consultation and

01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:17.239
that fasttrack approval processes not

01:33:17.360 --> 01:33:19.175
apply for things like data centers. So

01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:21.096
that we are local government's integral

01:33:21.120 --> 01:33:24.120
part of the decision-m framework.

01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:25.976
 indeed and and the first

01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:29.000
recommendation is um consistent with the

01:33:29.040 --> 01:33:30.135
federal government's announcements

01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:31.496
around national governance and the

01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:33.175
second recommendation is around

01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:35.576
strategic  planning which is working

01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:38.056
with state and local governments to get

01:33:38.080 --> 01:33:41.080
both preferred locations and approval

01:33:41.120 --> 01:33:44.120
processes so that they're all aligned

01:33:44.320 --> 01:33:47.320
with a clear role for local government.

01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.376
A further question.  obviously data

01:33:52.400 --> 01:33:55.400
centers take a significant p parcel of

01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.215
land in terms of their size and scope.

01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:01.239
Has there been any to our knowledge any

01:34:01.280 --> 01:34:03.175
considerations around then what impact

01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:06.199
that has on zoning but might previously

01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.336
have been  identified as employment

01:34:09.360 --> 01:34:11.336
generating zones that are now allocated

01:34:11.360 --> 01:34:14.215
to data centers that by their very size

01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.096
and nature would employ less people in

01:34:17.120 --> 01:34:20.120
the in that applicable floor space.

01:34:22.320 --> 01:34:23.976
Um

01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:25.816
the

01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:27.655
um if I can use Fisherman's Bend as an

01:34:27.679 --> 01:34:29.336
example, which has got not in our

01:34:29.360 --> 01:34:31.655
municipality, but in the City of

01:34:31.679 --> 01:34:33.416
Melbourne's municipality has got an

01:34:33.440 --> 01:34:35.736
employment precinct. Um there's been an

01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:37.336
approval by the state government for the

01:34:37.360 --> 01:34:39.016
location of a data center within that

01:34:39.040 --> 01:34:42.040
precinct. Um and there has been concerns

01:34:42.480 --> 01:34:45.480
um expressed that the two

01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:47.496
notwithstanding that approval that that

01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:50.135
usage of that land is inconsistent with

01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:53.159
its intended purpose and outcome.

01:34:54.400 --> 01:34:56.215
So hypothetically, if there's a number

01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:59.239
of data centers proposed that might 

01:34:59.440 --> 01:35:01.175
jeopardize the ability to say meet

01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:04.199
employment targets in parts of areas of

01:35:04.719 --> 01:35:07.016
the broader sort of zones like

01:35:07.040 --> 01:35:08.456
Fisherman's Bend where there have been

01:35:08.480 --> 01:35:10.215
mandated or there have been identified

01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:13.239
employment targets

01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:15.655
 certainly if there are a number of

01:35:15.679 --> 01:35:18.679
data centers those

01:35:18.719 --> 01:35:20.695
the size of the data center occupied

01:35:20.719 --> 01:35:22.536
particularly in areas like fisherman's

01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:25.560
ben will impact the capaCity to meet 

01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:28.856
employment targets in their areas.

01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:31.880
And I if I can just add to what um Brian

01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:34.776
has said. So obviously one of the key

01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:37.655
things we raised is that issue of strong

01:35:37.679 --> 01:35:39.816
need for good strategic planning on that

01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:42.296
to to make sure that employment um

01:35:42.320 --> 01:35:44.056
community housing all these aspects are

01:35:44.080 --> 01:35:46.215
considered which we feel is fragmented

01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:47.496
at the moment. So

01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:49.736
thank you. Good way of reinforcing it.

01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:52.760
Any further questions? Councelor

01:35:55.040 --> 01:35:57.816
Joe. No.

01:35:57.840 --> 01:35:59.256
Thank you, Mayor. Can I please move

01:35:59.280 --> 01:36:01.256
option A?

01:36:01.280 --> 01:36:03.416
Yes, you may. , moved. Councelor

01:36:03.440 --> 01:36:04.936
Halliday. Seconded. Councelor

01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:06.695
Buckingham.

01:36:06.719 --> 01:36:07.336
Question.

01:36:07.360 --> 01:36:09.736
Oh, sorry. Um,

01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:12.296
Yep. It hasn't been seconded yet. So you

01:36:12.320 --> 01:36:13.016
can

01:36:13.040 --> 01:36:16.040
 if on review of the announcement

01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:18.936
today  officers do believe it's

01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:20.376
appropriate to make tweaks to the

01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:23.400
submission, do the current um

01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:28.520
motions give the CEO

01:36:29.040 --> 01:36:31.016
that discretion to make changes if

01:36:31.040 --> 01:36:34.040
necessary

01:36:36.480 --> 01:36:38.856
through you through you. I don't I I

01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:41.816
don't think they do. That's quite a

01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:43.175
fixed recommendation there at the

01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:44.615
moment.

01:36:44.639 --> 01:36:46.296
But once again, just to clarify, this is

01:36:46.320 --> 01:36:47.576
actually submission to the Senate

01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:50.135
inquiry. So those terms of references do

01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:52.215
apply and whether there's, you know,

01:36:52.239 --> 01:36:54.296
alignment or not, this is still, you

01:36:54.320 --> 01:36:57.256
know, reinforcing it to a Senate inquiry

01:36:57.280 --> 01:36:58.776
rather than necessarily government

01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:01.800
position of the day.

01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:04.135
Correct. Yep.

01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:06.456
We had a mover in councelor Halliday.

01:37:06.480 --> 01:37:09.480
Is there a seconder?

01:37:09.679 --> 01:37:12.679
Yep. Seconded. Deputy May, does the

01:37:12.719 --> 01:37:15.496
mover wish to speak?

01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:18.215
, briefly. Thank you, mayor. Um, thank

01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:21.016
you , Deputy Mayor, , for seconding

01:37:21.040 --> 01:37:22.936
this. This is an emerging issue for our

01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:25.655
community. The, um, the speed at which

01:37:25.679 --> 01:37:28.679
the , recent data center was approved

01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:30.615
over in Fisherman's Bend has obviously

01:37:30.639 --> 01:37:32.376
caught many people off guard, including

01:37:32.400 --> 01:37:35.400
us as council. Um we would like in the

01:37:36.400 --> 01:37:38.135
future input into these things but also

01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:39.976
we would like beyond that um

01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.000
consideration of the the actual import

01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:46.056
impacts of data centers whether it's

01:37:46.080 --> 01:37:48.695
around their energy use their water use

01:37:48.719 --> 01:37:50.695
um their impact on local jobs and local

01:37:50.719 --> 01:37:52.296
amenity around the area but also

01:37:52.320 --> 01:37:53.976
secondary things like the urban heat

01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:56.135
island effect that they will contribute

01:37:56.159 --> 01:37:59.159
to through the heat generation um of the

01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:01.576
data center. And while this data center

01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:03.816
is over in the one that was recently

01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:06.456
announced is in Fisherman's Bend, that

01:38:06.480 --> 01:38:08.215
heat is going to come over into our side

01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:09.736
of Fisherman's Bend and into Port

01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:11.655
Melbourne um and will impact our

01:38:11.679 --> 01:38:12.936
communities. So, it's important for us

01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:15.576
to have a strong advocacy position on

01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:17.896
data centers and how they impact local

01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:19.816
communities so that local communities

01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:22.615
are involved in the decision-m around

01:38:22.639 --> 01:38:25.639
these centers. um not just um used as

01:38:26.320 --> 01:38:29.175
host sites for them without any say in

01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:31.256
what happens to them. So, I fully

01:38:31.280 --> 01:38:33.976
support um this submission to the Senate

01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.695
inquiry, noting that I think that we

01:38:36.719 --> 01:38:39.016
will um continue to have to advocate for

01:38:39.040 --> 01:38:42.040
these um in um in the law making at the

01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:45.960
federal level around data centers um and

01:38:46.080 --> 01:38:49.016
that our position here can be a model

01:38:49.040 --> 01:38:52.040
for advocacy  for those future laws 

01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:55.256
at federal level. So again, I fully

01:38:55.280 --> 01:38:57.655
support this  submission to the Senate

01:38:57.679 --> 01:39:00.679
inquiry.

01:39:01.040 --> 01:39:02.936
Thank you for opening the debate.

01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:04.695
Councelor Halliday, does the second

01:39:04.719 --> 01:39:07.016
wish to speak? Deputy Mayor Mes.

01:39:07.040 --> 01:39:10.040
Thank you, Mayor Min. Um, I support the

01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.560
submission and I do so given further

01:39:14.639 --> 01:39:17.639
clarification by  Brian T in respect

01:39:18.320 --> 01:39:20.936
of certain elements which I think a few

01:39:20.960 --> 01:39:23.960
of us were questioning. Um and I thank

01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:27.239
 councelor Buckingham for her comments

01:39:27.679 --> 01:39:30.679
because it it does clearly show I think

01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:33.256
certainly in my mind that  there are

01:39:33.280 --> 01:39:36.280
issues that need to be clear. Um

01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:40.920
we are hastening into an unknown world

01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:43.736
and everyone seems to want to jump on

01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.760
the ship. As far as I can see,  it

01:39:47.440 --> 01:39:49.655
might be best if we just slow down a

01:39:49.679 --> 01:39:51.256
little bit and get a clear understanding

01:39:51.280 --> 01:39:54.280
of what we are agreeing to after the

01:39:54.320 --> 01:39:57.320
submission because the next step will be

01:39:57.840 --> 01:39:59.416
the people who want to make money out of

01:39:59.440 --> 01:40:01.336
these things will be all over us.

01:40:01.360 --> 01:40:02.615
They'll be looking for land and they'll

01:40:02.639 --> 01:40:04.536
be looking for energy and most

01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:07.095
importantly they'll be looking for water

01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:09.095
and these are things that we need to

01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.816
manage carefully.  I I support the

01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.840
submission because those elements  you

01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:18.520
know are clearly not in there and  we

01:40:18.719 --> 01:40:21.719
can determine at a future time  a

01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:23.896
better outcome or the best outcome for

01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:26.536
our community. So I'll I support the

01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:28.296
submission.

01:40:28.320 --> 01:40:30.776
Thank you. The second has spoken. Deputy

01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:33.256
Mayor M. Any further speakers to this

01:40:33.280 --> 01:40:35.016
item? Councelor Consol.

01:40:35.040 --> 01:40:36.776
Thank you. Data centers aren't new, but

01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:38.135
they are definitely coming at an

01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:40.135
alarming rate and scale and size and

01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:43.159
quantity. , and people who I speak

01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:45.416
with in the community haven't been very

01:40:45.440 --> 01:40:47.416
aware of the one that's been ,

01:40:47.440 --> 01:40:49.416
fasttracked over in Fisherman's Bend,

01:40:49.440 --> 01:40:50.695
but when they become aware of it, they

01:40:50.719 --> 01:40:52.936
are really alarmed and very nervous. It

01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:54.536
does feel like a bit of an in

01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:57.560
uninhabited pocket, but there are people

01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.760
living quite close in my ward and there

01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:03.416
will be more people moving into that

01:41:03.440 --> 01:41:06.440
area and it it is very scary. I welcome

01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:09.016
the federal government's announcements

01:41:09.040 --> 01:41:11.816
today, but it's unknown like what

01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:13.655
that'll mean when when it's going to

01:41:13.679 --> 01:41:16.679
happen because often planning permits

01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:18.856
are given for what the legislation is of

01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:21.095
the day and that's not in place yet. So,

01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:23.256
the one on our doorsteps coming and it's

01:41:23.280 --> 01:41:25.896
really upsetting to see um it rolled out

01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:27.976
so quickly with all of these alarming

01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.000
concerns um the grid strain and the

01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:32.536
water use already been mentioned. The

01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:34.296
air pollution, the noise pollution,

01:41:34.320 --> 01:41:36.376
people are worried. I know we rely a lot

01:41:36.400 --> 01:41:38.215
on data centers. So, it's not that we

01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:40.856
can't not have them however that works.

01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:43.576
We need them, but um we need also good

01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:46.215
governance about how they how they

01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.856
should be rolled out and where um with

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.016
restrictions, not just the wild west.

01:41:51.040 --> 01:41:52.936
So, thank you for  putting the time

01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:55.016
into this and hopefully something comes

01:41:55.040 --> 01:41:57.655
of it.

01:41:57.679 --> 01:41:59.416
Thank you, Councelor Consol. Any other

01:41:59.440 --> 01:42:00.776
councelor wish to speak? Councelor

01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.800
Buckingham.

01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:07.880
I think the announcement of the PM today

01:42:08.480 --> 01:42:11.480
shows how fast this space is moving and

01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:13.095
I think it's a real challenge for local

01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:14.856
governments to keep up with the pace of

01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:17.175
change but we have to to get the best

01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:20.199
possible outcomes for the community. Um

01:42:22.320 --> 01:42:24.695
I think you know we prepare these

01:42:24.719 --> 01:42:27.016
submissions at a point in time and the

01:42:27.040 --> 01:42:29.256
submission is a valuable contribution to

01:42:29.280 --> 01:42:32.280
the Senate inquiry. Um but from here on

01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:37.159
I'm keen to um hear from officers um and

01:42:38.400 --> 01:42:41.400
to work with my fellow counselors on um

01:42:41.440 --> 01:42:43.816
ways we can  keep a breast of the

01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:46.840
change and other avenues for advocacy um

01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:49.960
such as MAV ALGA um because this is

01:42:51.280 --> 01:42:52.615
definitely going to impact us here in

01:42:52.639 --> 01:42:54.695
Port Phillip but it's impacting a lot of

01:42:54.719 --> 01:42:56.135
communities around Australia in

01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:59.159
different ways and um it's a space we're

01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.840
going to have to keep a breast off.

01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:05.336
Thank you, councelor Buckingham.

01:43:05.360 --> 01:43:08.360
Councelor Jay.

01:43:08.639 --> 01:43:11.175
Um, I will support the endorsement of

01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:13.496
this. However, I do not support data

01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:15.816
centers. Um, I wish we could get the

01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:17.976
tram lines laid at the speed that the

01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:19.655
government is allowing these centers to

01:43:19.679 --> 01:43:22.536
pop up in our community. We want more

01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.560
housing, not data centers. We want trams

01:43:26.639 --> 01:43:29.336
and improved public transport, not more

01:43:29.360 --> 01:43:31.655
data centers. We want jobs and

01:43:31.679 --> 01:43:34.135
universities. And we want residences in

01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:37.095
Fisherman's Bend, not big batteries run

01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:39.416
by minimal staff taking up prime real

01:43:39.440 --> 01:43:41.896
estate, prime housing location, prime

01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:44.920
employment and school um locations. I

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:47.896
did hear the premier this morning say

01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:50.856
that  we have a large state with lots

01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:52.776
we we have lots of land and she wants

01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:55.800
them everywhere. Um

01:43:56.320 --> 01:43:58.376
yet in another breath people saying

01:43:58.400 --> 01:44:00.135
there's no land so we need to remove our

01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:03.159
heritage to build more homes. Um yet

01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:04.776
here we are using land that was

01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:06.536
allocated for housing and economic

01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.560
development to make big buzzing hot

01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:13.080
water sucking electriCity sucking

01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:15.175
batteries that will damage our

01:44:15.199 --> 01:44:17.976
environment more than anything we've had

01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:21.000
to deal with to date.

01:44:22.080 --> 01:44:24.856
Thank you, councelor Jay. Any other

01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.416
councelor Hardy,

01:44:27.440 --> 01:44:28.776
welcome to the debate.

01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:30.776
As with the others that have spoken, I

01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.800
do endorse option day fully. Um the AI

01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:36.856
advance technology advancing very very

01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:39.416
quickly and  we need to get amongst

01:44:39.440 --> 01:44:41.175
it. This will put us in the front foot

01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:42.776
otherwise we'll find ourselves left

01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:45.336
behind.

01:44:45.360 --> 01:44:48.360
Any other councilors wish to speak?

01:44:52.400 --> 01:44:55.095
No other councilors. I am going to add

01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.175
to this debate. Then the mover may wish

01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.576
to close.

01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:01.655
The summary of our recommendations

01:45:01.679 --> 01:45:03.896
really call for local government to be a

01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:06.376
key part of the decision-m process and

01:45:06.400 --> 01:45:08.695
i.e. return planning decision-m

01:45:08.719 --> 01:45:10.856
abilities back to local government. And

01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:13.016
that is a position that was recently

01:45:13.040 --> 01:45:15.496
endorsed  through ALGA and a number of

01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:18.135
resolutions that were taken from

01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:20.135
councils including  neighboring

01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:22.776
council the City of Melbourne at  Alga

01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:24.376
and the national conference which was

01:45:24.400 --> 01:45:26.456
the national general assembly which was

01:45:26.480 --> 01:45:29.256
held now a few weeks ago.

01:45:29.280 --> 01:45:32.280
This is a common challenge right across

01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:33.976
the country and affecting local

01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.296
government right across the country.

01:45:36.320 --> 01:45:38.456
Local government needs to be part of the

01:45:38.480 --> 01:45:40.856
decision-m process

01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:43.655
and in particular looking at and this is

01:45:43.679 --> 01:45:46.215
where a national framework really needs

01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:49.175
to consider these factors looking at the

01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:52.135
cross boundary aspects as well. While if

01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:53.976
we take the case of fisherman's band and

01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.856
the employment precinct being  within

01:45:56.880 --> 01:45:58.615
the City of Melbourne, there are

01:45:58.639 --> 01:46:00.215
obviously a number of crossboundary

01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:01.896
issues in terms of the flowing effects

01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:04.056
as councelor Consolo and others have

01:46:04.080 --> 01:46:06.856
mentioned in flowing into our side of

01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:08.215
Fisherman's Bend, the Port Phillip side

01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:10.056
of Fisherman's Bend, Port Melbourne, and

01:46:10.080 --> 01:46:13.080
more broadly, this is calling once again

01:46:13.679 --> 01:46:16.215
for local government to be a key part of

01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:18.456
the decision-making process, and it's

01:46:18.480 --> 01:46:20.615
one that I really hope the Commonwealth

01:46:20.639 --> 01:46:22.536
government takes on board in the

01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:24.615
development of that national framework

01:46:24.639 --> 01:46:27.639
and in particular helps guide the states

01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.135
who are the responsible authorities in

01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:32.776
terms of local government and planning

01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:35.416
to actually bring us back to the table

01:46:35.440 --> 01:46:38.135
in the decision-m process.

01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.159
Looking also at  requiring net

01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:43.496
community benefit and measures to

01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:45.655
mitigate impacts. Many of us have spoken

01:46:45.679 --> 01:46:48.679
about the impacts and requiring a net

01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:50.776
community benefit makes a lot of sense

01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:53.095
for developments of this scale and is

01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:55.576
one which is replicated across other

01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:58.296
comparable development profiles. If you

01:46:58.320 --> 01:46:59.976
look at you know the nature of open

01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:02.536
space contributions and other ways that

01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:04.615
net community benefit has been able to

01:47:04.639 --> 01:47:06.936
be derived out of planning applications

01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:09.576
and planning processes. We once again

01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:11.416
need to be seen as an integral

01:47:11.440 --> 01:47:14.296
decision-making authority in the

01:47:14.320 --> 01:47:16.456
consideration of planning applications

01:47:16.480 --> 01:47:18.296
that come forward and applications that

01:47:18.320 --> 01:47:20.615
come forward  in relation to data

01:47:20.639 --> 01:47:22.856
centers. I applaud the strategic nature

01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:25.175
of this submission and the real focus

01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:27.655
once again on key tenants that are

01:47:27.679 --> 01:47:30.679
shared right across the country and many

01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.800
of our council colleagues across the

01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:36.536
country spoke on similar concerns when

01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:37.976
this was brought forward to Alga as

01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:39.736
well. Applaud the officers for the

01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:42.536
submission. Appreciate at the time obser

01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:45.175
crunch in time frame as well. It's great

01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:47.655
to see that we are putting forward our

01:47:47.679 --> 01:47:50.135
position and one once again supported

01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:52.376
more broadly across the sector. I

01:47:52.400 --> 01:47:55.095
commend the motion and  we'll end

01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:57.736
there and hand back to the mover.

01:47:57.760 --> 01:47:59.816
 thank you all for your contributions.

01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:02.840
Um I I was pretty dismayed this week

01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:06.695
with some of the discussions around um

01:48:06.719 --> 01:48:09.496
anthropic and um intellectual property

01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.520
and these data centers. So I think that

01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:17.159
this submission is hopefully one of many

01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:20.215
that goes to strengthen the government's

01:48:20.239 --> 01:48:23.239
resolve um in pushing back against these

01:48:23.440 --> 01:48:26.440
corporate interests um that will have a

01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:29.175
real impact on local communities but

01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:32.199
also on people for whom um their their

01:48:33.040 --> 01:48:34.776
intellectual property, their works of

01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.800
art and literature and music um have

01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:41.159
been used to train um  these

01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:43.816
 large language models and other AI

01:48:43.840 --> 01:48:46.840
models on um so again I fully support um

01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:51.000
strengthening our position on data

01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:54.615
centers but also the models that run in

01:48:54.639 --> 01:48:56.936
these data centers these AI models that

01:48:56.960 --> 01:48:59.816
are being um you know boosted and pushed

01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:02.840
um out and whose corporate interests 

01:49:03.119 --> 01:49:05.416
would like us to erode the protections

01:49:05.440 --> 01:49:08.056
that we have as community members but

01:49:08.080 --> 01:49:11.080
also um as people who develop um art and

01:49:11.360 --> 01:49:13.576
other intellectual properties. Um so

01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.976
let's let's  submit this to the Senate

01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:18.376
and also strengthen our advocacy ahead

01:49:18.400 --> 01:49:21.400
of the law making later next year. Thank

01:49:21.679 --> 01:49:23.816
you councelor Halliday for closing

01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:26.056
the debate. The motion is now being put.

01:49:26.080 --> 01:49:29.016
All those in favor

01:49:29.040 --> 01:49:32.040
that is carried unanimously.

01:49:33.119 --> 01:49:35.976
And that was item 9.2.

01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:39.000
Bringing us now to item 10.1,

01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.520
the endorsement of Kal Street, the

01:49:43.040 --> 01:49:45.336
Bellaclava streetscape plan. Any

01:49:45.360 --> 01:49:47.976
questions for officers to this item?

01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:51.000
Councelor Buckingham,

01:49:51.119 --> 01:49:54.119
I have a few questions. Um, my first

01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:57.480
question goes to scope of the plan. How

01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:00.520
did officers and the um people that

01:50:01.280 --> 01:50:04.280
designed the plan decide what streets

01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:08.920
would be covered and how does it

01:50:09.280 --> 01:50:12.280
interact both with the alleyways such as

01:50:13.040 --> 01:50:15.896
Deian Lane and with the supermarket

01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:18.376
sites

01:50:18.400 --> 01:50:19.976
through you may and thank you for your

01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:22.536
question councelor Buckingham. So um the

01:50:22.560 --> 01:50:24.376
plan is primarily focused on Carlile

01:50:24.400 --> 01:50:27.400
Street um and from the end here up to

01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:30.376
the eastern end and some of the main

01:50:30.400 --> 01:50:32.776
connecting streets that so that's been

01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:34.856
the focus of the plan and improvements

01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:36.615
along that street including some of the

01:50:36.639 --> 01:50:38.856
connected open spaces as we and the plan

01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:40.856
is out the front here of the town hall.

01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:43.576
Um we do have wider structure planning

01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:46.215
work that will come that is starting

01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:48.215
around the Cooh's Worth supermarket

01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:49.736
sites but will come in the future that

01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:51.496
will also then look at some of those

01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:54.135
wider connecting laneways alleyways

01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:55.416
other streets but at the moment we've

01:50:55.440 --> 01:50:58.376
been focusing on this on that car street

01:50:58.400 --> 01:50:59.896
the spine the key part of that activity

01:50:59.920 --> 01:51:01.976
center and those key intersections and

01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:05.000
and roads along it.

01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:07.496
Other questions councelor Buckingham.

01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:10.520
Thank you, Mayor Min. And in terms of

01:51:10.639 --> 01:51:13.639
funding for the streetscape plan,  my

01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:16.776
understanding is that the recent budget

01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:19.800
included over $8 million to implement

01:51:20.400 --> 01:51:23.095
the plan and it will tie into other

01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:26.119
council plans and projects. Could you

01:51:26.320 --> 01:51:29.320
please describe um how the plan is

01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:31.576
funded?

01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:33.336
Well, thank through you, Mayor. And um

01:51:33.360 --> 01:51:35.976
yes, the plan is funded through the um

01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:37.816
recently endorsed council plan and

01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:40.840
budget. So um $8 million um between sort

01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:44.840
of this new financial year now up to 20

01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:48.840
32 33 year. So over a year staged over a

01:51:49.599 --> 01:51:51.496
number of years and trying to tie in

01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:53.736
with um what's happening on the street.

01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:56.695
We know around that Cooh's um Wworth

01:51:56.719 --> 01:51:58.536
site redevelopment opportunities. So how

01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:00.135
we stage that look at what's happening

01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:01.976
around the library at this end of the

01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:04.056
site and then the eastern end. So we

01:52:04.080 --> 01:52:05.896
will this year be going into the more

01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:08.376
detailed design phase of the project but

01:52:08.400 --> 01:52:10.936
there is funding there now to to get on

01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:13.960
and and start the delivery of the work.

01:52:15.440 --> 01:52:17.016
Further questions

01:52:17.040 --> 01:52:19.655
you you have touched upon my final

01:52:19.679 --> 01:52:22.135
question which is around time frames and

01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:25.159
the staging of the plan. I know that um

01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:29.095
the plan is to start with this end of

01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:32.119
Carile Street. Is there  scope to

01:52:33.280 --> 01:52:36.056
bring the works further down the street

01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:38.056
forward?

01:52:38.080 --> 01:52:39.976
Um through you, mayor. And yeah, a good

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.856
question. I think we we've certainly

01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:45.016
have planned to look at this end of the

01:52:45.040 --> 01:52:46.536
street, but I think in this detailed

01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:47.896
design phase, we've certainly got the

01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:49.256
intent to go and look down at the

01:52:49.280 --> 01:52:50.615
eastern end of the street. I think at

01:52:50.639 --> 01:52:53.575
the moment um around that middle section

01:52:53.599 --> 01:52:55.256
with Coohl's and and their

01:52:55.280 --> 01:52:56.615
redevelopment, we need to be working

01:52:56.639 --> 01:52:58.135
with that developer where that is, but

01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:00.456
that that area beyond that is a is an

01:53:00.480 --> 01:53:01.736
opportunity that we're going to go back

01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:04.376
and look at um through this in these

01:53:04.400 --> 01:53:05.816
these next few months as we get started

01:53:05.840 --> 01:53:08.840
on that detailed design.

01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:13.000
Any further questions for officers?

01:53:14.320 --> 01:53:17.175
Yes, Councelor Jay.

01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:19.736
Um got a couple of questions. So, I'll

01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:21.256
start

01:53:21.280 --> 01:53:24.215
slow. Um, is there a reason that car

01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:26.536
parking wasn't considered on the design

01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.536
check metrics? I've had a couple of

01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:31.560
calls from some traders um very last

01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:34.695
minute that um we're concerned that

01:53:34.719 --> 01:53:37.175
cycle parking's on here, but parking for

01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:39.496
economic development um didn't get a

01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:41.976
mention. Is there a reason for that?

01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:43.976
 through you, Mayor. I think the the

01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:46.695
intent for the the plan is not to lose

01:53:46.719 --> 01:53:48.936
car parking. that's been one of the the

01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.695
tenants of it. I think in the detailed

01:53:50.719 --> 01:53:53.095
design phase where we look at trees,

01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:54.376
wids and all that sort of stuff,

01:53:54.400 --> 01:53:55.976
particularly on the side streets, but

01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:57.496
certainly that's been acknowledged when

01:53:57.520 --> 01:53:59.256
we've had that consultation, we've heard

01:53:59.280 --> 01:54:02.215
that that car parking is a is a key

01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:04.615
concern or a key thing as an

01:54:04.639 --> 01:54:06.856
opportunity. So, we have intent in this

01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:09.336
to to try and minimize that loss or, you

01:54:09.360 --> 01:54:11.896
know, have no loss of car parking.

01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:14.215
I'll be happy for that. Um now the other

01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:16.856
thing Mike is well might not be you that

01:54:16.880 --> 01:54:19.880
answers it. So um is there a reason um

01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:23.560
why Dianella Lane was not included? This

01:54:24.639 --> 01:54:27.639
is um access to the public parking. Um

01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:30.215
this has been a cause of concern with

01:54:30.239 --> 01:54:33.239
some rough sleepers in some of the um

01:54:33.360 --> 01:54:36.360
car parks there. This has also been um a

01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.816
safety  concern and and multiple

01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:42.056
requests for more lighting. Is there a

01:54:42.080 --> 01:54:44.936
reason cuz people will ask me that

01:54:44.960 --> 01:54:47.655
Dianella Lane behind Balaclava station

01:54:47.679 --> 01:54:50.376
at the Malbra Street  accommodation

01:54:50.400 --> 01:54:53.095
that that hasn't been included? It's a

01:54:53.119 --> 01:54:55.736
very vital artery for the service.

01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:57.496
Councelor J the question.

01:54:57.520 --> 01:54:59.816
Yeah. So through you may so um as

01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:01.416
mentioned the earlier question the focus

01:55:01.440 --> 01:55:03.336
has been on Carlile Street some of those

01:55:03.360 --> 01:55:05.896
key intersections as I said the the the

01:55:05.920 --> 01:55:08.056
wider structure plan work will start to

01:55:08.080 --> 01:55:09.816
consider some of those other elements

01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:11.896
and those laneways alas behind and it

01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:14.456
and it certainly doesn't um we we have

01:55:14.480 --> 01:55:17.336
cons continued work around Bellaclava in

01:55:17.360 --> 01:55:19.016
terms of lighting up lift and others

01:55:19.040 --> 01:55:20.376
that we'll be starting to try and bring

01:55:20.400 --> 01:55:23.095
together into this planning alongside

01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:24.936
this this investment in the Carile

01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:26.456
Street to make sure those connections

01:55:26.480 --> 01:55:27.256
work. So,

01:55:27.280 --> 01:55:29.256
thank you, Mike. And I do commend the

01:55:29.280 --> 01:55:31.575
accessible car parks that we've already

01:55:31.599 --> 01:55:33.095
um converted and the ones that we're

01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:34.936
looking at. So, that's a big big thank

01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:36.376
you.

01:55:36.400 --> 01:55:39.400
Further questions?

01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:43.976
 this is one piece of strategic work

01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:45.416
we're currently undertaking within

01:55:45.440 --> 01:55:47.496
Bellaclava. So, so there's the

01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:49.256
streetscape planning. What other sort of

01:55:49.280 --> 01:55:51.416
strategic sort of work are we doing in

01:55:51.440 --> 01:55:53.175
parallel to this?

01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:54.936
Um thank you and through you back to you

01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:57.960
me. Um so we do have a number of things

01:55:58.480 --> 01:56:00.856
in train I think what what we're trying

01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:02.695
so we have the streetscape plan work

01:56:02.719 --> 01:56:04.776
which is that focus on on the on the

01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:07.800
street caral street we have work around

01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:10.920
um the coole's woolworth sites in

01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:13.095
particular and and updating and and

01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:14.536
making sure we've got good planning

01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:16.695
guidance for what's going to happen on

01:56:16.719 --> 01:56:19.336
those sites. So there's in continued um

01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:21.416
engagement happening there. And then as

01:56:21.440 --> 01:56:23.095
I as I mentioned a wider look at the

01:56:23.119 --> 01:56:24.615
structure plan and making sure those

01:56:24.639 --> 01:56:26.936
settings are right in that. But one of

01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:28.215
the things we are doing through our

01:56:28.239 --> 01:56:30.695
places and precincts program is is

01:56:30.719 --> 01:56:32.215
trying to bring all the council

01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:34.695
investment together for this. So this is

01:56:34.719 --> 01:56:36.215
one part of it. We know that there's a

01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:37.416
whole lot of other things that have

01:56:37.440 --> 01:56:39.736
happened um and do happen on a

01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:41.175
day-to-day basis that council invests

01:56:41.199 --> 01:56:43.496
in. So, so this place planning work is

01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:45.336
trying to bring back bring that all

01:56:45.360 --> 01:56:46.776
together and communicate that to the

01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:49.416
community as to where we're at today.

01:56:49.440 --> 01:56:51.016
The the investment in the street, the

01:56:51.040 --> 01:56:52.695
investment in planning scheme amendments

01:56:52.719 --> 01:56:54.456
and and regulatory change, but also

01:56:54.480 --> 01:56:56.135
those other things that we do. So we

01:56:56.159 --> 01:56:57.736
actually have quite a number of things

01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:00.056
going on in Balaclava and we're trying

01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:02.215
to make sure we untangle and make it

01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:03.816
really clear for the community what it

01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:06.840
is through these processes. So

01:57:07.440 --> 01:57:09.736
and through you may I think more broadly

01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:12.135
than that u within the the resources

01:57:12.159 --> 01:57:13.575
that we have the team are pumping out a

01:57:13.599 --> 01:57:15.655
lot of work but also we're looking to

01:57:15.679 --> 01:57:17.575
replicate that in other places across

01:57:17.599 --> 01:57:19.095
the City as well. So, we're doing work

01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:22.119
around Ripen Lee. Um, we're also doing

01:57:22.480 --> 01:57:25.480
some work in Lakeside and Domain. ,

01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:27.336
and we're starting some work, we've done

01:57:27.360 --> 01:57:29.416
some initial work around Bay Street, and

01:57:29.440 --> 01:57:31.896
we'll we'll further that this year. The

01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:34.536
team have looked at a whole range of um

01:57:34.560 --> 01:57:37.560
I guess primary, secondary, and tertiary

01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:41.000
precincts um with the limited resources

01:57:41.440 --> 01:57:42.936
that we have had. But as you can see

01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:44.536
when we've also looked at ways that we

01:57:44.560 --> 01:57:46.135
can fund the implementation of each of

01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:48.456
these as well. So, um, that'll be

01:57:48.480 --> 01:57:50.056
expanding over the next couple of years.

01:57:50.080 --> 01:57:52.056
But we are really looking now to take a

01:57:52.080 --> 01:57:54.215
a much more spatial place-based

01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:56.536
approach, um, particularly to some of

01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:59.560
these activity centers and and main um,

01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:02.536
main streets and and main places of

01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:05.560
economic and community gathering.

01:58:06.480 --> 01:58:09.256
Thank you. Well answered. Any further

01:58:09.280 --> 01:58:12.135
questions?

01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:15.159
We have  a recommendation before 

01:58:15.440 --> 01:58:16.856
before before us, but before we do,

01:58:16.880 --> 01:58:19.880
there is an officer amendment on that.

01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:22.056
So, Brian T, if you wouldn't mind just

01:58:22.080 --> 01:58:24.695
guiding us through those changes.

01:58:24.719 --> 01:58:27.719
 thank you  mayor. The  change 

01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:30.920
is to  3.2 the recommendation. Um and

01:58:32.719 --> 01:58:35.719
it um adds it reads with the amendments

01:58:36.239 --> 01:58:38.615
notes that the implementation of the car

01:58:38.639 --> 01:58:40.456
street street streetscape plan is

01:58:40.480 --> 01:58:43.480
planned to be staged between 2026/27

01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:47.175
and 2033.

01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:49.416
It removes the words and is subject to

01:58:49.440 --> 01:58:51.896
and adds the words as per the council

01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:54.215
plan and budget and removes the word

01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:57.239
process. The intent is to update the

01:58:57.280 --> 01:58:59.976
recommendation. So it reflects that

01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:01.336
since the drafting of this

01:59:01.360 --> 01:59:04.360
recommendation, the council budget has

01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:07.016
and budget council plan and budget have

01:59:07.040 --> 01:59:09.655
been approved and those um council plan

01:59:09.679 --> 01:59:11.655
and budget does provide funding as

01:59:11.679 --> 01:59:13.736
outlined earlier.

01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:16.760
Thank you Brian T. We have a

01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:19.736
recommendation before us is a council

01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:21.816
that wishes to move. Moved councelor

01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:23.896
Buckingham seconded councelor

01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:26.215
Halliday over to the mover to open

01:59:26.239 --> 01:59:28.376
the debate.

01:59:28.400 --> 01:59:31.400
Thank you and thank you officers for the

01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:35.159
 modified recommendation here that

01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:38.520
makes it very clear that this plan

01:59:39.280 --> 01:59:42.280
is funded and there is a plan to

01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:45.880
implement it and

01:59:46.560 --> 01:59:48.856
that's a really exciting place to be and

01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:51.256
I'd like to acknowledge all of the

01:59:51.280 --> 01:59:54.280
residents  business owners traders

01:59:55.199 --> 01:59:57.016
community groups that have participated

01:59:57.040 --> 01:59:59.816
ated in our engagement processes

01:59:59.840 --> 02:00:02.840
um over quite a period of time. The

02:00:03.440 --> 02:00:05.336
strength of the plan rests on that

02:00:05.360 --> 02:00:07.016
engagement

02:00:07.040 --> 02:00:09.736
there. You know, it's no surprise to

02:00:09.760 --> 02:00:11.976
anyone that Carile Street is going

02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:14.456
through a lot of change and that it does

02:00:14.480 --> 02:00:17.480
as a street have its challenges. Um

02:00:18.239 --> 02:00:21.239
residents have come to me seeking an

02:00:22.320 --> 02:00:24.456
investment in the street. They want to

02:00:24.480 --> 02:00:26.456
see an uplift of the green spaces,

02:00:26.480 --> 02:00:27.816
particularly the space behind the

02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:29.575
library. They want to see better

02:00:29.599 --> 02:00:32.376
lighting,  improved footpaths, and

02:00:32.400 --> 02:00:35.175
particularly pedestrian crossings.

02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:38.135
There's a need for more seating, drink

02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:41.159
taps, um really the shade, really the

02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:45.960
things that make the street accessible

02:00:46.080 --> 02:00:48.456
and en enjoyable, an enjoyable place to

02:00:48.480 --> 02:00:51.480
be. The streetscape plan won't address

02:00:51.520 --> 02:00:54.520
all of Carlile Street's challenges.

02:00:55.920 --> 02:00:58.920
To do that is a longer process

02:00:59.199 --> 02:01:00.856
handinhand with a bunch of different

02:01:00.880 --> 02:01:03.336
partners and with the community. But

02:01:03.360 --> 02:01:05.336
they are what we have here in front of

02:01:05.360 --> 02:01:07.655
us are really practical improvements

02:01:07.679 --> 02:01:10.679
that will make the street and the

02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:13.880
surrounding area that much better.

02:01:14.719 --> 02:01:16.856
The plan is not happening in isolation.

02:01:16.880 --> 02:01:18.936
It ties into our urban forest strategy

02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:20.456
and other initiatives such as the

02:01:20.480 --> 02:01:23.095
further CCTV roll out. We're going to

02:01:23.119 --> 02:01:25.655
see  a refreshing of the murals

02:01:25.679 --> 02:01:27.896
through the multicultural grant that the

02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:30.920
council was successful in securing

02:01:31.280 --> 02:01:34.280
and it will tie in to  the development

02:01:34.320 --> 02:01:37.095
at the supermarket sites making the

02:01:37.119 --> 02:01:38.936
public realm more inviting, more

02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:41.655
accommodating and accessible.

02:01:41.679 --> 02:01:44.456
So, while it's not going to tick all of

02:01:44.480 --> 02:01:46.135
the boxes all at once, it's going to

02:01:46.159 --> 02:01:47.896
take us

02:01:47.920 --> 02:01:49.575
down a path that's going to really

02:01:49.599 --> 02:01:52.056
improve the street for everyone who

02:01:52.080 --> 02:01:55.080
enjoys it and uses it.

02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:57.896
Thank you, Councelor Buckingham. Opening

02:01:57.920 --> 02:01:59.816
the debate as a mover. Does the second

02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:02.376
wish to speak?

02:02:02.400 --> 02:02:05.095
Um, I think I'm just going to echo um

02:02:05.119 --> 02:02:08.119
Council Buckingham's  words here. This

02:02:08.880 --> 02:02:11.880
um plan, the streetscape plan for Carile

02:02:12.320 --> 02:02:15.320
Street is a a key part of the package of

02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:20.296
works and commitments and investments

02:02:20.320 --> 02:02:23.320
from council um from the community as

02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.840
well with their their um feedback and

02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:29.960
their passion for Carile Street that um

02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:34.520
will I hope against all hope um

02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:39.000
reinvigorate Carile street and return it

02:02:39.760 --> 02:02:42.760
um to um be a place where everyone um

02:02:44.400 --> 02:02:46.456
chooses to shop, everyone chooses to

02:02:46.480 --> 02:02:49.336
live their lives and um socialize, meet

02:02:49.360 --> 02:02:52.215
their neighbors for a coffee. Um we have

02:02:52.239 --> 02:02:55.016
had literally hundreds of community

02:02:55.040 --> 02:02:56.776
members contribute to this through the

02:02:56.800 --> 02:02:59.496
Bellac Club of Bonanza, through the

02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:01.816
community um consultations on these

02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:04.840
street um streetscape plans. um and more

02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:08.215
to come through the consultation on

02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.376
sight specific controls and the wider

02:03:10.400 --> 02:03:13.095
structured plan as well. Um and I'd also

02:03:13.119 --> 02:03:16.056
like to thank um our fellow councilors

02:03:16.080 --> 02:03:19.080
here who um hopefully tonight we will um

02:03:20.320 --> 02:03:22.936
support this as you have also supported

02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:25.960
the  the budget being set aside for

02:03:26.080 --> 02:03:28.135
this work through the recent budget

02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:30.936
process. I think we all share a passion.

02:03:30.960 --> 02:03:32.936
Well, I hope we all share a passion um

02:03:32.960 --> 02:03:35.655
for each of the  the activity centers,

02:03:35.679 --> 02:03:38.679
these main streets in our City. Um and

02:03:40.960 --> 02:03:43.960
 we all want to see them thriving um

02:03:44.719 --> 02:03:47.719
as well as they can. So again, super

02:03:48.639 --> 02:03:51.639
happy to support this um and I'd love um

02:03:52.080 --> 02:03:54.536
you know seeing all of these projects um

02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:57.416
come to fruition under this council and

02:03:57.440 --> 02:04:00.440
future councils for our um you know for

02:04:01.040 --> 02:04:04.040
improving Carl Street into the future.

02:04:04.480 --> 02:04:06.215
Thank you councelor Halliday as

02:04:06.239 --> 02:04:09.095
seconded. Any other councilors wish to

02:04:09.119 --> 02:04:12.119
speak to the item? Councelor J.

02:04:14.159 --> 02:04:16.615
Um, Bellaclav is a very special place

02:04:16.639 --> 02:04:19.639
for me. I've lived in St. Kilda East

02:04:19.840 --> 02:04:22.456
before and during co, so Carile Street

02:04:22.480 --> 02:04:25.480
was my daily walk and talk. Um, I have

02:04:26.480 --> 02:04:28.376
seen the area change over the years and

02:04:28.400 --> 02:04:31.400
unfortunately not in positive ways. Um,

02:04:31.920 --> 02:04:33.816
because I've spent time there and being

02:04:33.840 --> 02:04:36.776
so close to town hall, I it's a pleasure

02:04:36.800 --> 02:04:39.256
being able to spend more time there. I

02:04:39.280 --> 02:04:41.175
constantly have traders asking me,

02:04:41.199 --> 02:04:43.016
should we renew our lease? Are you going

02:04:43.040 --> 02:04:44.776
to remove the parking? When's coals

02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:46.856
being built? Is coals not being built?

02:04:46.880 --> 02:04:48.376
Is it going to destroy us? Are you going

02:04:48.400 --> 02:04:50.695
to take away another car park? What's

02:04:50.719 --> 02:04:52.296
what's our future hold? And these are

02:04:52.320 --> 02:04:54.615
obviously questions that I can't answer.

02:04:54.639 --> 02:04:56.536
This plan does help answer a lot of

02:04:56.560 --> 02:04:59.095
those questions. And this plan will give

02:04:59.119 --> 02:05:02.119
the traders um  some transparency, a

02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:05.095
timeline so they can decide whether they

02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:07.175
want to continue  renewing their

02:05:07.199 --> 02:05:08.695
leases or whether they think it's time

02:05:08.719 --> 02:05:10.536
to shut shop and maybe come back when

02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:13.336
it's a um better balaclava.

02:05:13.360 --> 02:05:15.655
Um, I've seen a lot of the behaviors

02:05:15.679 --> 02:05:18.679
change. Most people with  we've been

02:05:18.719 --> 02:05:21.016
challenged with a lot of antisocial

02:05:21.040 --> 02:05:23.095
behavior in Balaclava. And I've seen a

02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:24.776
lot of families just move their buying

02:05:24.800 --> 02:05:27.256
behavior to Ripen Lee and Ston Week and

02:05:27.280 --> 02:05:29.416
other places that are a lot more built

02:05:29.440 --> 02:05:31.016
up and and and have a lot more

02:05:31.040 --> 02:05:34.040
familyfriendly environment. So I am

02:05:34.480 --> 02:05:37.016
proud to support this. your counselors

02:05:37.040 --> 02:05:38.615
 councelor Buckingham and councelor

02:05:38.639 --> 02:05:41.256
Halliday have done a great job um you

02:05:41.280 --> 02:05:43.575
know consulting with the community and

02:05:43.599 --> 02:05:46.599
and and and hearing your voices. Um so I

02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:50.840
will support this and look forward to a

02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:53.336
horizon where you know Balaclav is more

02:05:53.360 --> 02:05:55.575
popular than Rip and Lee and and the

02:05:55.599 --> 02:05:57.816
streets are full and and and things like

02:05:57.840 --> 02:06:00.215
that. So hopefully this is a step in the

02:06:00.239 --> 02:06:03.239
right direction um and happy to support

02:06:03.360 --> 02:06:05.016
this.

02:06:05.040 --> 02:06:07.175
Thank you, councelor Jay. Any other

02:06:07.199 --> 02:06:10.199
counselors wish to speak to the item?

02:06:13.440 --> 02:06:15.496
No other counselors are indicating a

02:06:15.520 --> 02:06:17.496
desire to speak. I'm going to say a few

02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:20.520
words. I just really want to 

02:06:21.040 --> 02:06:23.095
highlight the strategic uplift that's

02:06:23.119 --> 02:06:25.816
taken place through the streetscape plan

02:06:25.840 --> 02:06:28.056
and the other sort of parallel work, not

02:06:28.080 --> 02:06:31.080
just here, but more broadly. And  you

02:06:31.199 --> 02:06:33.336
know we see  when it comes back to the

02:06:33.360 --> 02:06:36.055
chamber it's obviously in pieces as per

02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:38.296
 the strategic sort of planning

02:06:38.320 --> 02:06:40.215
framework and the approach it's taken

02:06:40.239 --> 02:06:42.456
but once again this is one piece of a

02:06:42.480 --> 02:06:44.776
bigger jigsaw puzzle and seeing the

02:06:44.800 --> 02:06:47.336
pieces come together and seeing the

02:06:47.360 --> 02:06:49.736
strategic uplift is exemplary and a real

02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:52.135
um kudos to the team in the work that's

02:06:52.159 --> 02:06:54.615
being undertaken not just here but I

02:06:54.639 --> 02:06:55.896
know some of the other work that you're

02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:58.456
undertaking other precincts  including

02:06:58.480 --> 02:07:01.175
Bay Street in my own ward or part in my

02:07:01.199 --> 02:07:03.575
board where you know once again that

02:07:03.599 --> 02:07:06.215
strategic uplift is exemplary and a

02:07:06.239 --> 02:07:09.175
remarkable testament to the team and 

02:07:09.199 --> 02:07:11.416
the future focus. So congratulations to

02:07:11.440 --> 02:07:14.376
the team once again one piece of the

02:07:14.400 --> 02:07:16.215
puzzle but great to see this piece

02:07:16.239 --> 02:07:18.135
coming forward and we look forward to

02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:19.816
the other pieces really completing the

02:07:19.840 --> 02:07:22.536
jigsaw in this case for Bellaclava but

02:07:22.560 --> 02:07:24.936
right around  the City of Port Phillip

02:07:24.960 --> 02:07:27.960
in our places and precincts. Great work,

02:07:30.159 --> 02:07:32.936
councelor Hardy.

02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:34.776
I do agree with everyone or hopefully

02:07:34.800 --> 02:07:37.416
everyone that  Carile Street is

02:07:37.440 --> 02:07:39.175
looking quite tired and really really

02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:41.016
needs an upgrade. I'm quite impressed

02:07:41.040 --> 02:07:43.896
with the report by the staff. it  it

02:07:43.920 --> 02:07:45.896
does include a 2.9 that opportunities

02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:47.816
for external funding will still be

02:07:47.840 --> 02:07:50.840
explored and the fact that  at 3.1 it

02:07:52.400 --> 02:07:54.936
says as the guiding framework for future

02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:56.695
streetscape and public realm upgrades

02:07:56.719 --> 02:07:59.416
along Carlo Street and associated open

02:07:59.440 --> 02:08:02.055
spaces. So I read that as the plan that

02:08:02.079 --> 02:08:04.456
we see is not hard and fast. It can be

02:08:04.480 --> 02:08:06.776
improved. It can be changed and 

02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:09.175
that's a great foresight for  for the

02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:10.856
next upcoming years which will go into

02:08:10.880 --> 02:08:13.880
the 2030s.

02:08:14.079 --> 02:08:16.215
Thank you, councelor Hardy. Any other

02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:19.239
counselors wish to speak?

02:08:19.280 --> 02:08:22.055
Going once, going twice. All right, back

02:08:22.079 --> 02:08:25.079
to the mover to close.

02:08:25.520 --> 02:08:27.736
Thank you. I think it's right that we've

02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:30.760
spoken about the challenges that Carile

02:08:31.280 --> 02:08:33.816
Street's experiencing. I think part of

02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:35.736
the reason people are so passionate

02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:38.760
about Carile Street is it is such a

02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:41.800
brilliant place. I know I'm biased as

02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:44.536
the ward counselor, but from, you know,

02:08:44.560 --> 02:08:46.776
the NAIDOC flag raising or smoking

02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:49.800
ceremony here in the forcourt to the

02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:52.456
bustling kids excited getting their

02:08:52.480 --> 02:08:54.296
yochi

02:08:54.320 --> 02:08:57.320
to the cues of people at Glicks buying

02:08:57.599 --> 02:08:59.976
their hull.

02:09:00.000 --> 02:09:01.816
It's a very special street. It's

02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:04.840
diverse. It's vibrant. It's got history.

02:09:05.599 --> 02:09:07.416
And

02:09:07.440 --> 02:09:09.976
that makes the success of this plan all

02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:12.055
the more

02:09:12.079 --> 02:09:15.079
important and significant. And I just

02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:17.416
like to thank fellow counselors for the

02:09:17.440 --> 02:09:20.440
hours that we've spent on this plan and

02:09:21.119 --> 02:09:24.119
on um the precinct more generally. Um

02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:28.840
because it it does take a courageous

02:09:29.360 --> 02:09:31.175
step to actually say, "Okay, we're going

02:09:31.199 --> 02:09:33.336
to invest. We're going to improve." And

02:09:33.360 --> 02:09:35.336
I agree with councelor Hardy that this

02:09:35.360 --> 02:09:37.816
plan is the starting point and it will

02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:40.840
evolve in time  with the community and

02:09:42.719 --> 02:09:44.536
I believe it's going to make Carile

02:09:44.560 --> 02:09:46.296
Street it's going to help us through

02:09:46.320 --> 02:09:47.655
some of the challenges we've got and

02:09:47.679 --> 02:09:49.016
it's going to make Carile Street all the

02:09:49.040 --> 02:09:50.776
better.

02:09:50.800 --> 02:09:52.856
Thank you Council Buckingham. And that

02:09:52.880 --> 02:09:54.615
debate is now closed. The motion's being

02:09:54.639 --> 02:09:57.575
put. All those in favor

02:09:57.599 --> 02:10:00.599
that item is carried unanimously.

02:10:00.880 --> 02:10:02.776
Congratulations.

02:10:02.800 --> 02:10:05.800
takes us now to item 10.2, amendment

02:10:06.159 --> 02:10:09.095
C235, Port the Port Melbourne DCP

02:10:09.119 --> 02:10:10.936
removal. Any questions for officers?

02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:12.536
Yes, councelor Consol.

02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:14.536
Thank you. I note that this um finished

02:10:14.560 --> 02:10:17.560
out the 20 years back in 2019, but um

02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:20.536
had at that time the council wanted to

02:10:20.560 --> 02:10:23.336
extend it or if now we wanted to renew

02:10:23.360 --> 02:10:25.655
it, what would that process be like? Is

02:10:25.679 --> 02:10:28.679
it even possible?

02:10:32.880 --> 02:10:35.880
um through you, mayor.  essentially

02:10:35.920 --> 02:10:38.456
that was an old version of a DCP. There

02:10:38.480 --> 02:10:40.776
was no ability to extend it. We'd have

02:10:40.800 --> 02:10:43.800
to excuse me put an entirely new version

02:10:44.079 --> 02:10:46.695
of a DCP though. So there was  it was

02:10:46.719 --> 02:10:49.655
done essentially.

02:10:49.679 --> 02:10:51.256
Asking a follow- on question.  thank

02:10:51.280 --> 02:10:52.615
you. That that helps because I think

02:10:52.639 --> 02:10:54.296
when the community sees this, they'd be

02:10:54.320 --> 02:10:56.615
like, well, why is this happening? and

02:10:56.639 --> 02:10:59.639
that obviously it's a a timed out. Could

02:11:00.320 --> 02:11:02.296
you explain the process if we wanted to

02:11:02.320 --> 02:11:05.320
do a new DCP just so the community knows

02:11:11.440 --> 02:11:13.336
through you may  the process to

02:11:13.360 --> 02:11:16.296
establish a new DCP would be that we

02:11:16.320 --> 02:11:18.936
need to identify I guess what projects

02:11:18.960 --> 02:11:20.695
we want to undertake. So we need to

02:11:20.719 --> 02:11:22.376
under understand the infrastructure

02:11:22.400 --> 02:11:24.936
needs for the area. Um and we then need

02:11:24.960 --> 02:11:27.416
to do technical work that backs that up.

02:11:27.440 --> 02:11:30.440
We'd also then need to um  set up a

02:11:31.040 --> 02:11:32.615
planning scheme amendment. So this needs

02:11:32.639 --> 02:11:33.896
to be implemented through a planning

02:11:33.920 --> 02:11:35.336
scheme amendment and then we go through

02:11:35.360 --> 02:11:36.615
the full planning scheme amendment

02:11:36.639 --> 02:11:39.095
process which would be to exhibit it, go

02:11:39.119 --> 02:11:41.336
through a panel hearing and then adopt

02:11:41.360 --> 02:11:43.496
the amendment at the at the end of it.

02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:45.336
So it does involve quite a lot of

02:11:45.360 --> 02:11:47.976
upfront technical work to set up another

02:11:48.000 --> 02:11:49.896
DCP.

02:11:49.920 --> 02:11:52.215
I can indicate

02:11:52.239 --> 02:11:55.239
that um officers are considering DCP

02:11:56.000 --> 02:11:59.000
options and we'll be briefing counselors

02:11:59.119 --> 02:12:02.119
 in August on those options.

02:12:02.719 --> 02:12:04.456
Yeah, just to add to that, there's

02:12:04.480 --> 02:12:06.376
obviously the Fisherman's Bend area is

02:12:06.400 --> 02:12:07.816
which is, you know, one of the larger

02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:10.840
areas of growth, has got the DCP, which

02:12:10.880 --> 02:12:13.880
we're waiting to be approved um and then

02:12:15.679 --> 02:12:18.679
we can um get on with delivery.  but

02:12:19.440 --> 02:12:21.816
hopefully that happens very shortly. But

02:12:21.840 --> 02:12:23.336
there are other parts of the City that

02:12:23.360 --> 02:12:26.360
are growing. Um and we we already have

02:12:26.719 --> 02:12:28.135
some infrastructure investment in our

02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:30.055
10-year forward plan which is driven by

02:12:30.079 --> 02:12:32.695
growth. Um we've also got our open space

02:12:32.719 --> 02:12:34.376
strategy which is probably justifying

02:12:34.400 --> 02:12:36.215
and we've got a lot we've done a lot of

02:12:36.239 --> 02:12:37.816
spending in that space but the community

02:12:37.840 --> 02:12:40.456
continues to grow. Um so they're

02:12:40.480 --> 02:12:41.896
particularly areas that we will be

02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:43.016
looking at around the rest of the

02:12:43.040 --> 02:12:44.856
municipality outside of fisherman spend

02:12:44.880 --> 02:12:46.456
and whether we need to reook at open

02:12:46.480 --> 02:12:48.856
space and development contributions in

02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:51.496
the absence of the state um developing a

02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:53.256
framework more broadly which we were

02:12:53.280 --> 02:12:55.175
hopeful that they would do but that

02:12:55.199 --> 02:12:56.695
hasn't come to fruition. So I think we

02:12:56.719 --> 02:12:59.719
need to go ahead by ourselves.

02:12:59.760 --> 02:13:01.175
I'd assume that a committee

02:13:01.199 --> 02:13:02.615
infrastructure plan would be a very

02:13:02.639 --> 02:13:05.639
useful input into justifying  the need

02:13:06.480 --> 02:13:09.016
for a DCP and future infrastructure

02:13:09.040 --> 02:13:10.456
requirements.

02:13:10.480 --> 02:13:11.976
Yes, Mayor, the foresight of the

02:13:12.000 --> 02:13:13.896
community infrastructure plan was very

02:13:13.920 --> 02:13:16.920
good in terms of um informing a future u

02:13:17.040 --> 02:13:20.040
development contributions plan.

02:13:22.960 --> 02:13:25.960
Any further questions for officers?

02:13:33.119 --> 02:13:35.655
No further questions for officers. We do

02:13:35.679 --> 02:13:37.816
have a recommendation before us. Is

02:13:37.840 --> 02:13:40.296
there a councelor that wishes to move?

02:13:40.320 --> 02:13:43.320
Move. Councelor Consolo. Seconded.

02:13:43.520 --> 02:13:46.055
Councelor Thomann. Does the mover wish to

02:13:46.079 --> 02:13:46.776
speak?

02:13:46.800 --> 02:13:49.256
Yes.  a big thank you goes out to the

02:13:49.280 --> 02:13:51.175
officers and the counselors at the time

02:13:51.199 --> 02:13:53.496
that put this together because for 20

02:13:53.520 --> 02:13:55.976
years contributions flew came into the

02:13:56.000 --> 02:13:58.135
area to really help upgrade some of the

02:13:58.159 --> 02:14:00.215
street skates. There could have been

02:14:00.239 --> 02:14:03.239
some more ambitious ones. Um they still

02:14:03.280 --> 02:14:06.055
some streets could use a tidy up again,

02:14:06.079 --> 02:14:08.536
but I'm very grateful that this was done

02:14:08.560 --> 02:14:10.776
in the first place and I appreciate that

02:14:10.800 --> 02:14:12.776
it is expired. It's expired six or seven

02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:15.016
years ago.  it serves purpose and

02:14:15.040 --> 02:14:17.496
doing the right um paperwork to get rid

02:14:17.520 --> 02:14:20.296
of it.  because it would come across

02:14:20.320 --> 02:14:22.376
on title searches and everything very

02:14:22.400 --> 02:14:24.456
confusing for people wanting to invest

02:14:24.480 --> 02:14:25.976
in the area whether this was still

02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:27.336
applicable and it might turn some bill

02:14:27.360 --> 02:14:28.695
away. So I think it's the right thing to

02:14:28.719 --> 02:14:31.496
do to remove it when it's old. Um and

02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:33.655
appreciate the audits check to see if

02:14:33.679 --> 02:14:36.679
that work was done correctly and our

02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:40.119
team now maintains it. So thank you.

02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:42.376
Thank you councelor Conello. Councelor

02:14:42.400 --> 02:14:45.400
Timman. , any other councelor wish to

02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:47.736
speak?

02:14:47.760 --> 02:14:50.055
In which case does the mover wish to

02:14:50.079 --> 02:14:52.055
close?

02:14:52.079 --> 02:14:54.215
In which case the motion is being put.

02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:57.016
All those in favor

02:14:57.040 --> 02:15:00.040
that is carried unanimously.

02:15:01.599 --> 02:15:04.599
That is item 10.2. Moving now to

02:15:06.480 --> 02:15:08.936
item 11.1,

02:15:08.960 --> 02:15:11.896
the cultural development  fund future

02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:14.615
forward approach. Any questions for

02:15:14.639 --> 02:15:17.639
officers on item 11.1?

02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:25.880
Buckingham, did you have a question?

02:15:26.239 --> 02:15:28.215
Yeah.

02:15:28.239 --> 02:15:31.239
Thank you.  my question

02:15:32.400 --> 02:15:35.400
is how does  this decision tonight tie

02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:39.016
into the cultural strategy that's

02:15:39.040 --> 02:15:42.040
currently under development.

02:15:45.679 --> 02:15:48.135
 through you may the we undertook

02:15:48.159 --> 02:15:50.615
sector consultation in relation to

02:15:50.639 --> 02:15:52.936
drafting that cultural strategy and

02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:54.296
through that we have taken

02:15:54.320 --> 02:15:56.456
recommendations and priorities and

02:15:56.480 --> 02:15:59.256
requests from the sector and applied it

02:15:59.280 --> 02:16:02.280
to  potential changes for the cultural

02:16:02.480 --> 02:16:04.376
development fund. It would undergo

02:16:04.400 --> 02:16:06.776
further alignment um with the cultural

02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:08.615
development fund once that has been

02:16:08.639 --> 02:16:11.639
endorsed in November.

02:16:13.360 --> 02:16:16.360
Any further questions?

02:16:16.560 --> 02:16:18.695
stole my question. Councelor Buckingham,

02:16:18.719 --> 02:16:21.416
well asked. Any further questions for

02:16:21.440 --> 02:16:23.575
officers

02:16:23.599 --> 02:16:25.416
through through you may I might add

02:16:25.440 --> 02:16:28.440
officers have made a slight officer 

02:16:28.880 --> 02:16:29.976
recommendation.

02:16:30.000 --> 02:16:31.175
Let's bring that on screen

02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:34.199
change  just to to reflect that as

02:16:35.599 --> 02:16:37.736
thank you and if you may just read

02:16:37.760 --> 02:16:39.736
through 3.10 10 the addition

02:16:39.760 --> 02:16:39.976
course

02:16:40.000 --> 02:16:42.136
through you mayor  that council knows

02:16:42.160 --> 02:16:43.816
that further alignment of the cultural

02:16:43.840 --> 02:16:46.216
development fund will be undertaken as

02:16:46.240 --> 02:16:48.216
the creative port Philips strategy is

02:16:48.240 --> 02:16:50.936
finalized and implemented to ensure

02:16:50.960 --> 02:16:53.096
consistency with council's strategic

02:16:53.120 --> 02:16:55.816
direction for arts and culture

02:16:55.840 --> 02:16:58.840
you any

02:16:59.200 --> 02:17:01.415
final final final questions otherwise

02:17:01.439 --> 02:17:03.896
there is now the recommendation before

02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:06.920
us including the addition of 3.10 10.

02:17:08.240 --> 02:17:11.176
Is there a mover? Yep. I moved.

02:17:11.200 --> 02:17:13.256
Councelor Thomann, seconded councelor

02:17:13.280 --> 02:17:16.280
Crawford. Does the mover wish to speak?

02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:23.575
Yes. Um

02:17:23.599 --> 02:17:25.896
the City of Port Phillip is proud to be

02:17:25.920 --> 02:17:28.920
the cultural City and I think the fact

02:17:29.120 --> 02:17:32.120
that we have  increased um a lot of

02:17:32.399 --> 02:17:35.096
funding through the CDF is a good

02:17:35.120 --> 02:17:38.120
outcome preempting the adoption of the

02:17:38.399 --> 02:17:39.976
cultural strategy that we're working on

02:17:40.000 --> 02:17:43.000
and I appreciate the officers  point

02:17:44.240 --> 02:17:47.096
that was added to the recommendation to

02:17:47.120 --> 02:17:50.120
make sure that  this  quite

02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:53.335
prominent part of the especially

02:17:53.359 --> 02:17:56.359
financially of our cultural strategy u

02:17:57.120 --> 02:18:00.120
works and alliance with what we're going

02:18:00.240 --> 02:18:03.240
to um adopt back in you know in sorry in

02:18:05.679 --> 02:18:08.679
November so  the fact that  we have

02:18:09.519 --> 02:18:11.816
made a few changes

02:18:11.840 --> 02:18:14.840
um ahead of the strategy adoption 

02:18:15.920 --> 02:18:18.920
increasing funding changing for example

02:18:19.280 --> 02:18:21.976
you know from 3 to four years funding

02:18:22.000 --> 02:18:24.856
etc. I think it's it's it will be

02:18:24.880 --> 02:18:27.816
welcomed by the arts organization and

02:18:27.840 --> 02:18:30.840
providers in our City. Um obviously

02:18:31.280 --> 02:18:33.816
there will never be enough money  but

02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:36.455
there will be more than we had and I do

02:18:36.479 --> 02:18:39.479
appreciate the fact that um that council

02:18:40.479 --> 02:18:43.479
is taking the idea of cultural

02:18:45.040 --> 02:18:48.040
opportunities very seriously.

02:18:48.080 --> 02:18:49.896
Thank you councelor Tomand councelor

02:18:49.920 --> 02:18:51.335
Crawford.

02:18:51.359 --> 02:18:54.359
Um this step forward both in funding and

02:18:54.479 --> 02:18:57.479
some of the kind of structure of the CDF

02:18:57.599 --> 02:18:59.495
it's come a long way in in 10 years in

02:18:59.519 --> 02:19:01.896
terms of I feel like we're getting more

02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:04.920
um nuanced every every round of um you

02:19:05.760 --> 02:19:08.056
know review. So, , I want to thank the

02:19:08.080 --> 02:19:09.736
officers for all of the work they've

02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:11.096
done on this, and I know that there's

02:19:11.120 --> 02:19:12.615
obviously I think it's very much in line

02:19:12.639 --> 02:19:14.295
from what we've seen in the early drafts

02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:17.319
of of the the, um, creative strategy. I

02:19:17.920 --> 02:19:19.415
mean, I think it's a really I want to

02:19:19.439 --> 02:19:21.495
say thank you to councilors. I'm hoping

02:19:21.519 --> 02:19:22.936
you're going to vote for it, assuming

02:19:22.960 --> 02:19:25.960
you do. Um, last term it was a fight to

02:19:27.359 --> 02:19:29.335
save the furniture and this time it

02:19:29.359 --> 02:19:32.056
feels like we're actually genuine va

02:19:32.080 --> 02:19:35.080
genuinely valuing arts for what it

02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:37.495
brings on that esoteric level but also

02:19:37.519 --> 02:19:39.335
that it's people's jobs, people's

02:19:39.359 --> 02:19:41.736
livelihoods and a huge not just an

02:19:41.760 --> 02:19:44.056
economic driver for our City but it is a

02:19:44.080 --> 02:19:46.136
huge economic driver for our City as

02:19:46.160 --> 02:19:49.160
well. So um I think the additional funds

02:19:50.080 --> 02:19:52.696
is a reflection of that value and

02:19:52.720 --> 02:19:55.016
although it will not make up for you

02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:56.776
know overall challenges for these

02:19:56.800 --> 02:19:59.256
organizations it really will be um a

02:19:59.280 --> 02:20:01.736
base amount which they can leverage. I

02:20:01.760 --> 02:20:03.816
do think it's really um great that we're

02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:05.496
moving the festivals and events to

02:20:05.520 --> 02:20:07.096
larger amounts. We know it's not easy to

02:20:07.120 --> 02:20:09.256
put on big public events and also to

02:20:09.280 --> 02:20:10.936
multi-year funding which can also help

02:20:10.960 --> 02:20:13.896
them leverage for um better outcomes or

02:20:13.920 --> 02:20:16.536
 backto-back years. And the one that

02:20:16.560 --> 02:20:17.816
I'm really proud of is that we haven't

02:20:17.840 --> 02:20:19.576
really updated um the project's

02:20:19.600 --> 02:20:21.816
individual streams lately to a larger

02:20:21.840 --> 02:20:23.576
amount, but also just a little bit extra

02:20:23.600 --> 02:20:25.415
to top it up. So that's really great.

02:20:25.439 --> 02:20:26.776
And I think the other thing that we have

02:20:26.800 --> 02:20:28.375
included here, which we're doing across

02:20:28.399 --> 02:20:31.256
our grant streams, is um asking people

02:20:31.280 --> 02:20:34.280
that or the organizations to  commit

02:20:34.319 --> 02:20:36.136
to the Victorian value statement to

02:20:36.160 --> 02:20:38.056
social cohesion. we are in a difficult

02:20:38.080 --> 02:20:39.496
time in the world and we're not as good

02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:42.216
at listening to across different views

02:20:42.240 --> 02:20:44.856
um and and respecting each other perhaps

02:20:44.880 --> 02:20:47.176
in our differences or in our passions.

02:20:47.200 --> 02:20:50.200
So I think that's a basic ask ask that

02:20:50.399 --> 02:20:52.455
we can put to people that we are funding

02:20:52.479 --> 02:20:54.616
that your commitment to that kind of

02:20:54.640 --> 02:20:57.640
basic you know um respect and decency

02:20:59.520 --> 02:21:00.936
towards each other is actually an

02:21:00.960 --> 02:21:02.375
important basis and I'm really glad

02:21:02.399 --> 02:21:05.399
we've introduced that.  and and the

02:21:06.000 --> 02:21:09.000
other one is um since I've got on

02:21:09.120 --> 02:21:11.656
council 10 years ago, creative

02:21:11.680 --> 02:21:14.136
affordable spaces for rehearsals or

02:21:14.160 --> 02:21:16.056
places has been a big ask and we've

02:21:16.080 --> 02:21:17.736
never kind of cracked that nut. I'm not

02:21:17.760 --> 02:21:19.335
saying we have here, but we've got some

02:21:19.359 --> 02:21:21.335
money towards trying to see if we can

02:21:21.359 --> 02:21:23.016
crack that nut and I'm interested in the

02:21:23.040 --> 02:21:24.696
big picture. Maybe there's somewhere we

02:21:24.720 --> 02:21:26.455
can hire in Fisherman's Bend. That's a

02:21:26.479 --> 02:21:27.576
big warehouse and it becomes a

02:21:27.600 --> 02:21:29.176
collective space, not just for

02:21:29.200 --> 02:21:30.616
individual artists. I'm just really

02:21:30.640 --> 02:21:32.056
excited about what's possible there.

02:21:32.080 --> 02:21:33.896
Anyway, I just commend this to um

02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:36.920
councilors. It's it's really um a great

02:21:37.600 --> 02:21:39.415
step in terms of funding but also

02:21:39.439 --> 02:21:42.439
supporting the the as councelor um Tman

02:21:42.560 --> 02:21:44.536
said  a City that is really built

02:21:44.560 --> 02:21:47.016
around creative endeavors.

02:21:47.040 --> 02:21:49.656
Thank you councelor Crawford. Any other

02:21:49.680 --> 02:21:52.680
councilors wish to speak to this item?

02:21:54.880 --> 02:21:57.880
Councelor Buckingham

02:22:00.000 --> 02:22:03.000
this Monday. Mayor Min and I attended

02:22:03.280 --> 02:22:05.976
the future stage symposium at

02:22:06.000 --> 02:22:09.000
Theaterworks and what we heard and what

02:22:09.439 --> 02:22:11.896
we've been hearing is that this is a

02:22:11.920 --> 02:22:14.920
very  turbulent time for arts

02:22:15.200 --> 02:22:18.200
organizations and for artists and there

02:22:18.479 --> 02:22:21.479
are a lot of um shocks and uncertainties

02:22:22.720 --> 02:22:25.496
for this sector.  funding from

02:22:25.520 --> 02:22:28.216
different tiers of government. Um even

02:22:28.240 --> 02:22:30.295
things like AI, I heard at the symposium

02:22:30.319 --> 02:22:33.319
the impact of AI on the arts is,

02:22:35.120 --> 02:22:36.696
you know, it's a real rupture. It's a

02:22:36.720 --> 02:22:39.720
deep change.  drying up of

02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:42.760
philanthropic funding, the list goes on.

02:22:43.120 --> 02:22:44.776
And

02:22:44.800 --> 02:22:46.536
one of the reasons I'm very proud to

02:22:46.560 --> 02:22:48.056
support

02:22:48.080 --> 02:22:50.776
this motion tonight is that in amongst a

02:22:50.800 --> 02:22:52.936
lot of this uncertainty,

02:22:52.960 --> 02:22:55.960
um, City of Port Phillips holding strong

02:22:56.000 --> 02:22:58.375
and we're actually going further. Yes.

02:22:58.399 --> 02:23:01.399
Through funding. It amazes me how an

02:23:02.319 --> 02:23:05.319
extra 510 $15,000 how far these

02:23:05.680 --> 02:23:08.680
organizations push that that funding 

02:23:08.880 --> 02:23:11.096
in terms of performances and audience

02:23:11.120 --> 02:23:14.120
and and reach. I know it will be well

02:23:14.160 --> 02:23:17.160
spent and we're not just supporting

02:23:17.680 --> 02:23:19.176
these organizations through funding.

02:23:19.200 --> 02:23:21.415
We're also giving them more certainty

02:23:21.439 --> 02:23:24.056
through 4-year contracts, which means

02:23:24.080 --> 02:23:26.536
that they know that they've got funding

02:23:26.560 --> 02:23:29.096
they can rely on for the foreseeable

02:23:29.120 --> 02:23:31.896
future. , and that that's true about

02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:34.056
the event stream as well. So, I think

02:23:34.080 --> 02:23:36.616
that in a very difficult time for the

02:23:36.640 --> 02:23:39.256
sector, of course, I would like to do

02:23:39.280 --> 02:23:41.256
more and maybe throughout the process

02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:43.256
with the cultural strategy, there will

02:23:43.280 --> 02:23:45.256
be other opportunities to support um,

02:23:45.280 --> 02:23:47.096
arts in the City of Port Phillip. But

02:23:47.120 --> 02:23:50.120
I'm very proud at this point in time um

02:23:50.399 --> 02:23:53.399
to be able to be a steady

02:23:53.760 --> 02:23:56.455
 a steady force during a very

02:23:56.479 --> 02:23:58.936
uncertain time.

02:23:58.960 --> 02:24:00.455
Thank you councelor Buckingham. Any

02:24:00.479 --> 02:24:03.479
other councilors wish to speak to this

02:24:03.600 --> 02:24:06.600
item?

02:24:08.160 --> 02:24:11.160
Hello. No, I'm going to say a few words.

02:24:13.680 --> 02:24:15.736
While we are still finalizing the

02:24:15.760 --> 02:24:17.176
creative strategy, you know, something

02:24:17.200 --> 02:24:19.496
that has been pretty much universal in

02:24:19.520 --> 02:24:21.736
the consultation, the discussions I know

02:24:21.760 --> 02:24:23.576
myself and many of my colleagues have

02:24:23.600 --> 02:24:25.896
had is that need for further certainty

02:24:25.920 --> 02:24:28.856
in terms of funding and also the need to

02:24:28.880 --> 02:24:31.016
provide the multi-year agreement. So

02:24:31.040 --> 02:24:32.536
this is something that we're forward

02:24:32.560 --> 02:24:35.560
delivering in terms of  the structure

02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:37.176
of these grants and the cultural

02:24:37.200 --> 02:24:39.256
development fund and very much aligns

02:24:39.280 --> 02:24:41.576
with what we've been hearing in terms of

02:24:41.600 --> 02:24:44.295
feedback through  I assume what will

02:24:44.319 --> 02:24:46.455
come through in the creative strategy.

02:24:46.479 --> 02:24:49.479
 the make space  grant stream is

02:24:50.080 --> 02:24:52.696
phenomenal. It's one that, and thank

02:24:52.720 --> 02:24:54.136
you, councelor Crawford, for mentioning

02:24:54.160 --> 02:24:55.896
Fisherman's Band, but one that I

02:24:55.920 --> 02:24:58.295
particularly see being really essential

02:24:58.319 --> 02:25:01.319
to seeding arts and culture in areas

02:25:01.359 --> 02:25:03.415
that are going through urban renewal and

02:25:03.439 --> 02:25:05.656
urban revitalization. And as I've

02:25:05.680 --> 02:25:07.335
mentioned a few times, you cannot do

02:25:07.359 --> 02:25:09.496
successful urban renewal without

02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:11.335
sustainable transport and without arts

02:25:11.359 --> 02:25:14.359
and culture. And also, and councelor

02:25:14.560 --> 02:25:16.056
Crawford, thank you also for touching on

02:25:16.080 --> 02:25:18.375
this, the Victorian values statement,

02:25:18.399 --> 02:25:20.936
and that aligns also with our committee

02:25:20.960 --> 02:25:23.960
grants and other grant stream as well in

02:25:24.240 --> 02:25:25.976
requiring a commitment to the Victorian

02:25:26.000 --> 02:25:28.455
value statement. We are actually leading

02:25:28.479 --> 02:25:31.256
the sector in this space and many other

02:25:31.280 --> 02:25:33.496
many of our council colleagues are now

02:25:33.520 --> 02:25:35.736
following a similar adaptation or

02:25:35.760 --> 02:25:36.936
several are following a similar

02:25:36.960 --> 02:25:39.335
adaptation in requiring similar

02:25:39.359 --> 02:25:41.335
commitments. So we are once again

02:25:41.359 --> 02:25:43.335
leading in this space as we are leading

02:25:43.359 --> 02:25:45.096
in areas through the cultural

02:25:45.120 --> 02:25:47.736
development fund. Congratulations to the

02:25:47.760 --> 02:25:49.816
officers and a testament to the work in

02:25:49.840 --> 02:25:52.840
presenting this report as well.

02:25:53.040 --> 02:25:55.816
Back to the mover to close

02:25:55.840 --> 02:25:57.816
councelor Timone.

02:25:57.840 --> 02:25:59.816
 in which case or unless there's any

02:25:59.840 --> 02:26:01.335
other counselors that wish to speak

02:26:01.359 --> 02:26:03.976
after me. No. in which case the motion

02:26:04.000 --> 02:26:07.000
is now being put and that is carried

02:26:08.560 --> 02:26:10.776
unanimously

02:26:10.800 --> 02:26:13.800
and that is item 11.1

02:26:16.479 --> 02:26:19.479
and over now to item 11.2 to Port

02:26:23.520 --> 02:26:25.816
Port Melbourne Nepo Club infrastructure

02:26:25.840 --> 02:26:28.776
project

02:26:28.800 --> 02:26:31.096
any yes councelor Cohen solo you

02:26:31.120 --> 02:26:33.335
preempted any questions for officers you

02:26:33.359 --> 02:26:33.976
are the first

02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:37.000
thanks I have a couple questions  so

02:26:37.520 --> 02:26:39.896
earlier tonight groundwater conditions

02:26:39.920 --> 02:26:42.920
at JL Murphy was raised um can can an

02:26:44.160 --> 02:26:45.896
office speak to that the groundwater

02:26:45.920 --> 02:26:48.616
conditions thank

02:26:48.640 --> 02:26:50.616
thank you through you Thanks councelor

02:26:50.640 --> 02:26:52.936
Consol. As part of the development of

02:26:52.960 --> 02:26:54.696
design, we've been working with the

02:26:54.720 --> 02:26:56.455
consultant who did the broader fisherman

02:26:56.479 --> 02:26:59.479
bend water catchment um planning and

02:27:00.080 --> 02:27:01.736
we'll continue to work with that

02:27:01.760 --> 02:27:04.136
organization as we develop the design

02:27:04.160 --> 02:27:06.856
for the water detention planning 

02:27:06.880 --> 02:27:09.496
around the design. So the feedback we've

02:27:09.520 --> 02:27:11.736
had from them thus far is that it is not

02:27:11.760 --> 02:27:14.696
a a significantly complicated solution.

02:27:14.720 --> 02:27:15.896
There's a number of options that are

02:27:15.920 --> 02:27:18.920
available to us. Another question.

02:27:19.359 --> 02:27:19.656
Yes.

02:27:19.680 --> 02:27:22.680
, so the

02:27:23.439 --> 02:27:26.439
the club I saw in the CEO report that

02:27:27.120 --> 02:27:29.256
the completion date should this all go

02:27:29.280 --> 02:27:32.280
ahead isn't until January 2029.

02:27:32.720 --> 02:27:34.216
So that's a really long time away from

02:27:34.240 --> 02:27:37.240
now and that's, you know, an educated

02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:38.536
guess. We don't know if it drag out

02:27:38.560 --> 02:27:41.415
more. In the meantime, the club will

02:27:41.439 --> 02:27:44.439
still operate out of um Julia Reserve,

02:27:44.960 --> 02:27:47.960
which is below standard for a club. It's

02:27:48.080 --> 02:27:51.080
it's a really old old building and we

02:27:51.280 --> 02:27:53.256
didn't put the investment in it because

02:27:53.280 --> 02:27:56.056
we were about to move out. Is there

02:27:56.080 --> 02:27:59.016
money in the budget for some upgrades,

02:27:59.040 --> 02:28:02.040
some works to that to stretch it to 2029

02:28:02.479 --> 02:28:05.479
in a reasonable state? And  even

02:28:05.840 --> 02:28:07.496
beyond then, what's going to happen to

02:28:07.520 --> 02:28:10.136
that building?

02:28:10.160 --> 02:28:12.216
through you, mayor.  yeah, I I can

02:28:12.240 --> 02:28:13.736
actually confirm that we've got a

02:28:13.760 --> 02:28:16.536
project in feasibility for that very

02:28:16.560 --> 02:28:19.016
purpose now to look at what we can do at

02:28:19.040 --> 02:28:22.040
the existing um site to give it  a

02:28:22.160 --> 02:28:23.656
little bit more longevity and bring it

02:28:23.680 --> 02:28:25.656
up to a better standard.

02:28:25.680 --> 02:28:26.856
Do you have a date when that's going to

02:28:26.880 --> 02:28:27.816
come back to council?

02:28:27.840 --> 02:28:29.656
I I'd have to take that on notice and

02:28:29.680 --> 02:28:30.856
come back.

02:28:30.880 --> 02:28:33.880
I think so. you clarify um the

02:28:34.399 --> 02:28:35.656
feasibility of your assessment at the

02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:38.136
moment is looking at the longerterm

02:28:38.160 --> 02:28:40.295
options for the site when it does

02:28:40.319 --> 02:28:43.319
transition into when the net ball club

02:28:43.680 --> 02:28:46.455
moves. Um we can take on notice the

02:28:46.479 --> 02:28:48.136
question around what additional things

02:28:48.160 --> 02:28:49.656
we can do as part of general maintenance

02:28:49.680 --> 02:28:52.136
at the moment to uplift it over the next

02:28:52.160 --> 02:28:54.375
couple of years. Um, I'd have to take

02:28:54.399 --> 02:28:56.616
that on notice, but there is a there is

02:28:56.640 --> 02:28:57.976
work going on at the moment looking at

02:28:58.000 --> 02:28:59.335
the condition of the site which could

02:28:59.359 --> 02:29:01.256
inform some of that, but it's also

02:29:01.280 --> 02:29:04.280
looking at the longerterm options.

02:29:06.560 --> 02:29:08.056
Councelor Consol, did you have any

02:29:08.080 --> 02:29:09.976
further questions at this stage?

02:29:10.000 --> 02:29:12.375
Okay, councelor Halliday.

02:29:12.399 --> 02:29:13.816
, thank you, Mayor. Just just

02:29:13.840 --> 02:29:16.840
clarifying here when we're talking  

02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:19.976
about groundwater.

02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:22.616
I thought the um the concern here was

02:29:22.640 --> 02:29:25.256
around actual storm water retention. Are

02:29:25.280 --> 02:29:28.280
we building in storm water retention to

02:29:28.479 --> 02:29:30.536
this project

02:29:30.560 --> 02:29:33.560
through the the the main issue is the

02:29:33.680 --> 02:29:36.680
the tension so the slowing down of um so

02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:39.896
it doesn't overwhelm the existing

02:29:39.920 --> 02:29:42.920
drainage system. Um so there may well be

02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:46.455
an element of storage to facilitate

02:29:46.479 --> 02:29:48.375
that. Again that will be worked through

02:29:48.399 --> 02:29:49.896
with the consultants and the engineers

02:29:49.920 --> 02:29:52.920
on the detail of the design.

02:29:53.120 --> 02:29:56.056
Right. And sorry the report here at 4.16

02:29:56.080 --> 02:29:59.080
um refers to um you know estimated

02:29:59.200 --> 02:30:02.200
storage requirement of 2512

02:30:02.960 --> 02:30:05.496
cub m of water. That's what we're

02:30:05.520 --> 02:30:06.375
talking about here.

02:30:06.399 --> 02:30:08.616
Yes sir. on this site

02:30:08.640 --> 02:30:10.776
in in the precinct in fact is the amount

02:30:10.800 --> 02:30:12.136
is that is that's the number that

02:30:12.160 --> 02:30:14.216
applies to the precinct. So it doesn't

02:30:14.240 --> 02:30:17.096
necessarily have to be managed in the

02:30:17.120 --> 02:30:20.120
precise location in that corner.

02:30:22.000 --> 02:30:24.216
Can I ask a silly question then? How

02:30:24.240 --> 02:30:27.176
else would we would we retain that

02:30:27.200 --> 02:30:30.200
volume of water on this site if we don't

02:30:30.479 --> 02:30:33.096
do it on this corner? Yeah, the the

02:30:33.120 --> 02:30:35.256
potential could be and again we're only

02:30:35.280 --> 02:30:37.096
exploring options but it could be that

02:30:37.120 --> 02:30:40.120
um when we do the refurb of wood removal

02:30:40.479 --> 02:30:43.479
above it that there's opportunities to

02:30:43.600 --> 02:30:46.375
consider that as a as a secondary part

02:30:46.399 --> 02:30:49.399
of the strategy.

02:30:49.439 --> 02:30:51.496
So the consultants report went as far as

02:30:51.520 --> 02:30:54.216
to say it could be anywhere but it

02:30:54.240 --> 02:30:56.536
depends on the methodology that's that's

02:30:56.560 --> 02:30:58.936
adopted.

02:30:58.960 --> 02:31:01.960
Oh sorry not adopted recommended.

02:31:02.880 --> 02:31:04.375
Councelor Crawford you had a question.

02:31:04.399 --> 02:31:06.136
Yeah I've got a couple of questions. So

02:31:06.160 --> 02:31:07.976
currently

02:31:08.000 --> 02:31:10.295
I don't know this end of town as well.

02:31:10.319 --> 02:31:13.319
Does um does JF JF I mean JF RF Julia

02:31:15.520 --> 02:31:18.520
reserve it's a dog off leash area

02:31:21.520 --> 02:31:22.536
not true

02:31:22.560 --> 02:31:24.536
technically it is so do the dogs I guess

02:31:24.560 --> 02:31:25.896
I can follow that question up do the

02:31:25.920 --> 02:31:27.976
dogs when the net courts are not being

02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:30.536
used can the dogs run over the net

02:31:30.560 --> 02:31:33.496
courts

02:31:33.520 --> 02:31:36.520
but does that does that dog off leash

02:31:36.960 --> 02:31:39.176
get where does it cover like so I guess

02:31:39.200 --> 02:31:41.656
what I'm trying to find out is when

02:31:41.680 --> 02:31:43.576
these courts are built and they're not

02:31:43.600 --> 02:31:45.656
being used, they would be accessible as

02:31:45.680 --> 02:31:47.656
dog off leash or would that particular

02:31:47.680 --> 02:31:49.896
area become not on fle

02:31:49.920 --> 02:31:51.816
through you may? So the courts could be

02:31:51.840 --> 02:31:54.375
accessible for dogs outside of when

02:31:54.399 --> 02:31:57.016
training and sport is being played

02:31:57.040 --> 02:31:58.136
as off leash

02:31:58.160 --> 02:32:00.856
as off leash. So technically over time

02:32:00.880 --> 02:32:03.656
we're not losing any area to off leash

02:32:03.680 --> 02:32:05.256
in some way like I mean not saying that

02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:06.455
you would use it all the time but they

02:32:06.479 --> 02:32:08.295
would still be able to access their area

02:32:08.319 --> 02:32:10.295
through you may so there would be a loss

02:32:10.319 --> 02:32:12.536
in terms of grass space available for

02:32:12.560 --> 02:32:14.295
dog off leash and there would be a loss

02:32:14.319 --> 02:32:17.176
when training and sport is being played

02:32:17.200 --> 02:32:19.016
outside of those times the courts could

02:32:19.040 --> 02:32:21.496
be available for dogs and people to

02:32:21.520 --> 02:32:23.096
access the space

02:32:23.120 --> 02:32:26.120
through through you may cla could you um

02:32:26.800 --> 02:32:29.496
talk to um the the elders Smith

02:32:29.520 --> 02:32:32.520
component and the usable  usable space

02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:35.496
there

02:32:35.520 --> 02:32:37.816
through you may. So at the moment Elder

02:32:37.840 --> 02:32:40.056
Smith Reserve is located along

02:32:40.080 --> 02:32:41.976
Williamstown Road that is not currently

02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:44.936
a dog off leash area but council offices

02:32:44.960 --> 02:32:47.016
are exploring whether it could become a

02:32:47.040 --> 02:32:49.096
dog off leash area as a separate project

02:32:49.120 --> 02:32:51.496
and that is part of the recommendation.

02:32:51.520 --> 02:32:54.375
That reserve is approximately 11,000

02:32:54.399 --> 02:32:56.776
square meters. We haven't done any sort

02:32:56.800 --> 02:32:59.415
of feasibility or design work, but there

02:32:59.439 --> 02:33:01.816
could be about 3 to 4,000 square meters

02:33:01.840 --> 02:33:03.896
of usable space for dogs to be off

02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:06.295
leash, which would look to offset the

02:33:06.319 --> 02:33:08.136
provision of dog off leash area that

02:33:08.160 --> 02:33:10.776
would be lost um through the hard stand

02:33:10.800 --> 02:33:12.856
of the courts in the pavilion.

02:33:12.880 --> 02:33:15.096
Could I ask some follow-up questions?

02:33:15.120 --> 02:33:18.120
But the um have we not increased some of

02:33:18.399 --> 02:33:20.776
the dog off leash areas? We're in the

02:33:20.800 --> 02:33:23.496
process of doing that. So I mean I guess

02:33:23.520 --> 02:33:25.736
I'm just asking in some ways where

02:33:25.760 --> 02:33:27.335
giving and taking it just might be

02:33:27.359 --> 02:33:29.176
slightly adjusted is kind of what we're

02:33:29.200 --> 02:33:30.776
aiming to do

02:33:30.800 --> 02:33:32.295
through.

02:33:32.319 --> 02:33:34.455
So when the dog off leash guidelines

02:33:34.479 --> 02:33:37.479
were endorsed in 2024 the former council

02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:41.000
in the motion had a um endorsement to

02:33:41.359 --> 02:33:43.496
not have a net loss of dog off leash

02:33:43.520 --> 02:33:46.295
provision. So since those guidelines

02:33:46.319 --> 02:33:49.256
have been adopted, council has declared

02:33:49.280 --> 02:33:51.256
Fennel Reserve as a dog off leash area

02:33:51.280 --> 02:33:54.280
that occurred last um in last August or

02:33:55.120 --> 02:33:57.736
September. We're now going through the

02:33:57.760 --> 02:34:00.760
plans to make that a fence dog park. We

02:34:00.960 --> 02:34:03.896
recently undertook engagement on um

02:34:03.920 --> 02:34:05.415
testing whether the community would

02:34:05.439 --> 02:34:07.576
support Kira Park becoming a dog off

02:34:07.600 --> 02:34:09.816
leash area and we'll bring that to

02:34:09.840 --> 02:34:12.136
council with an office of recommendation

02:34:12.160 --> 02:34:15.096
on the 16th of September. So, there's a

02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:17.256
couple of different options. Um, there's

02:34:17.280 --> 02:34:19.335
also options for future dogof leash

02:34:19.359 --> 02:34:21.576
areas in Fisherman's Bend, including

02:34:21.600 --> 02:34:23.096
exploring whether the San Ridge

02:34:23.120 --> 02:34:25.016
recreation precinct could be a dog leash

02:34:25.040 --> 02:34:27.656
area.

02:34:27.680 --> 02:34:29.816
, c back to council console.

02:34:29.840 --> 02:34:32.216
Thank you.  with Elder Smith. It's

02:34:32.240 --> 02:34:34.936
originally been flagged in the um

02:34:34.960 --> 02:34:37.096
Fisherman's Ben Tusk, what it's called,

02:34:37.120 --> 02:34:40.120
framework, um as being part of that

02:34:40.319 --> 02:34:43.319
broader plumber street, not plumber, 

02:34:43.600 --> 02:34:46.600
Paskki Street, um sporting precinct. And

02:34:47.520 --> 02:34:49.176
I know that that's been kind of pushed

02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:50.776
down the road with the container site,

02:34:50.800 --> 02:34:53.096
for example, being leased out for a lot

02:34:53.120 --> 02:34:56.120
longer.  but would the works that

02:34:56.399 --> 02:34:59.399
we're doing here  impact

02:35:00.479 --> 02:35:03.176
that future use

02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:05.496
but we also know that the the site has

02:35:05.520 --> 02:35:08.216
issues. We we what we've explored so

02:35:08.240 --> 02:35:08.856
far.

02:35:08.880 --> 02:35:11.880
I don't I don't think so. I think the I

02:35:12.960 --> 02:35:14.936
mean the kind of investment that we'd be

02:35:14.960 --> 02:35:17.960
making would be relatively um

02:35:19.920 --> 02:35:22.696
low key  and would be something that

02:35:22.720 --> 02:35:25.256
you know I don't think that prohasky

02:35:25.280 --> 02:35:26.536
reserve is going to be happening for the

02:35:26.560 --> 02:35:29.096
next 20 years plus

02:35:29.120 --> 02:35:31.576
um so in future it could be reconsidered

02:35:31.600 --> 02:35:33.335
I think one of the key gaps and one of

02:35:33.359 --> 02:35:35.016
the key issues around the elder smmith

02:35:35.040 --> 02:35:38.040
spite as well was the um gas pipeline

02:35:38.080 --> 02:35:39.736
which still separates that broader

02:35:39.760 --> 02:35:42.760
prahasky in this part of the reserve.

02:35:42.960 --> 02:35:44.936
So, you know, initial visions were that

02:35:44.960 --> 02:35:46.136
we might be able to build all the way

02:35:46.160 --> 02:35:47.415
through, but

02:35:47.439 --> 02:35:50.056
we can't with that pipeline. Um, so

02:35:50.080 --> 02:35:51.496
look, I think it's something that we

02:35:51.520 --> 02:35:54.216
would get fair use out of. It wouldn't

02:35:54.240 --> 02:35:57.096
be a um, you know, we're not looking at

02:35:57.120 --> 02:36:00.120
unwinding in the next 10 years. Um, it's

02:36:00.399 --> 02:36:03.399
not a major investment. Um, and there's

02:36:03.840 --> 02:36:05.415
still significant constraints around

02:36:05.439 --> 02:36:07.176
what can happen on that part of the site

02:36:07.200 --> 02:36:10.200
when Prohasky does develop. Any

02:36:12.560 --> 02:36:14.856
further questions?

02:36:14.880 --> 02:36:17.880
Yes, councelor Halliday. Um, one of

02:36:18.160 --> 02:36:20.455
the other questions that the residents

02:36:20.479 --> 02:36:22.455
asked was what other sites have been

02:36:22.479 --> 02:36:25.479
considered for the net ball 

02:36:25.680 --> 02:36:28.680
infrastructure.

02:36:30.080 --> 02:36:31.816
I have to apologize for a failing

02:36:31.840 --> 02:36:34.616
memory. I know we've looked um obviously

02:36:34.640 --> 02:36:37.640
at JL Murthy um we looked at other

02:36:39.040 --> 02:36:41.496
options at Julia if there was potential

02:36:41.520 --> 02:36:44.520
there to do anything expanding

02:36:45.520 --> 02:36:46.936
I'd have to take on notice and come back

02:36:46.960 --> 02:36:49.960
to you it'll be in one of the earlier um

02:36:50.000 --> 02:36:51.176
reports

02:36:51.200 --> 02:36:53.176
can I ask a specific question then have

02:36:53.200 --> 02:36:56.200
we looked at um the standard precinct

02:36:56.560 --> 02:36:58.536
where we recently purchased the

02:36:58.560 --> 02:37:00.936
Australia Post site

02:37:00.960 --> 02:37:02.936
did we look at that as an option. I

02:37:02.960 --> 02:37:05.096
I think there was a a bit of a desktop

02:37:05.120 --> 02:37:08.120
assessment of it, but um I think again

02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:11.736
I'd have to come back with specifics

02:37:11.760 --> 02:37:14.295
three early days there was a fair bit of

02:37:14.319 --> 02:37:16.056
work that was done on different site

02:37:16.080 --> 02:37:17.896
locations and it actually delayed the

02:37:17.920 --> 02:37:20.136
project a bit but we were looking at

02:37:20.160 --> 02:37:22.056
from memory I wasn't leading it but from

02:37:22.080 --> 02:37:24.936
memory  RF Julia we looked at Elder

02:37:24.960 --> 02:37:27.656
Smith we looked at JL Murphy end up

02:37:27.680 --> 02:37:30.680
landing on  Elder Smith we relooked at

02:37:30.800 --> 02:37:33.736
a number of different options. JL Murphy

02:37:33.760 --> 02:37:35.896
became probably the only viable one that

02:37:35.920 --> 02:37:38.696
we had at the time. Um the Sandry

02:37:38.720 --> 02:37:40.455
Detriation Presence, the Australia Post

02:37:40.479 --> 02:37:43.479
site was purchased for public space more

02:37:43.600 --> 02:37:45.096
broadly

02:37:45.120 --> 02:37:47.016
 and with an intention around

02:37:47.040 --> 02:37:50.040
supporting it for um sport and

02:37:50.319 --> 02:37:52.536
recreation. It's not identified as like

02:37:52.560 --> 02:37:55.176
a hard stand space. that's probably more

02:37:55.200 --> 02:37:58.200
in line with the site next to it which

02:37:58.560 --> 02:38:01.560
is the Brian T  DHL site um which is

02:38:02.960 --> 02:38:05.016
looking at multicate multi-purpose

02:38:05.040 --> 02:38:08.040
sports courts etc. So the intended purp

02:38:08.800 --> 02:38:10.375
it didn't really align with the intended

02:38:10.399 --> 02:38:12.136
purpose of the acquisition for the

02:38:12.160 --> 02:38:14.696
Sandridge um area which we are now

02:38:14.720 --> 02:38:17.096
looking at developing into obviously

02:38:17.120 --> 02:38:18.856
some sporting fields but also trying to

02:38:18.880 --> 02:38:20.776
make sure that has multiple uses and

02:38:20.800 --> 02:38:22.856
access for broader broader communities

02:38:22.880 --> 02:38:25.880
of open space.

02:38:26.240 --> 02:38:27.736
Councelor Console

02:38:27.760 --> 02:38:30.056
beyond budget has a roof been considered

02:38:30.080 --> 02:38:32.216
for these courts because it's a good way

02:38:32.240 --> 02:38:34.536
to collect water and solar and all these

02:38:34.560 --> 02:38:36.936
things for a site.

02:38:36.960 --> 02:38:38.856
 yes. So a preliminary assessment was

02:38:38.880 --> 02:38:41.256
done of three options, the low, medium,

02:38:41.280 --> 02:38:44.280
high. Um and

02:38:44.399 --> 02:38:47.096
in excessive at the high end, $3 million

02:38:47.120 --> 02:38:49.096
at the low end under a million dollars,

02:38:49.120 --> 02:38:51.816
but didn't really it was more of a mesh

02:38:51.840 --> 02:38:53.736
arrangement. So no real weather

02:38:53.760 --> 02:38:56.760
protection or water catchment. Um and

02:38:58.960 --> 02:39:01.415
at this stage, the the feedback was not

02:39:01.439 --> 02:39:04.439
to consider looking at that.

02:39:05.120 --> 02:39:07.096
Councelor Halliday,

02:39:07.120 --> 02:39:09.016
can you remind me and I apologize for

02:39:09.040 --> 02:39:10.696
not remembering this. Is are these

02:39:10.720 --> 02:39:12.776
dedicated net ball courts or are these

02:39:12.800 --> 02:39:15.800
multi-purpose courts?

02:39:17.280 --> 02:39:18.696
My understanding is that they are

02:39:18.720 --> 02:39:20.696
dedicated net ball courts, but I'd have

02:39:20.720 --> 02:39:23.720
to doublech check the scope in

02:39:24.080 --> 02:39:25.576
particular relation to the funding

02:39:25.600 --> 02:39:28.600
agreement with SRV.

02:39:29.520 --> 02:39:31.016
In response to some of the council

02:39:31.040 --> 02:39:32.375
feedback we had in the briefings and

02:39:32.399 --> 02:39:34.056
also in line with broader sport and

02:39:34.080 --> 02:39:35.656
recreation strategy, we are looking at

02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:37.896
opportunities while it's primarily for

02:39:37.920 --> 02:39:40.920
net um how we can support  multi-use

02:39:42.560 --> 02:39:44.936
and access. That's part of the next part

02:39:44.960 --> 02:39:47.256
of the um design phase that the team are

02:39:47.280 --> 02:39:50.280
working on at the moment.

02:39:50.960 --> 02:39:53.656
Any further questions?

02:39:53.680 --> 02:39:56.680
Councelor Console.

02:39:56.960 --> 02:39:59.960
Further questions?

02:40:00.640 --> 02:40:03.640
I have one.  there was

02:40:03.920 --> 02:40:06.056
identification of the DHL side in terms

02:40:06.080 --> 02:40:09.016
of indoor sport multiuse.

02:40:09.040 --> 02:40:11.335
My understanding is the fund the state

02:40:11.359 --> 02:40:13.736
government commitment for funding came

02:40:13.760 --> 02:40:16.760
online at 2018 and I understand there's

02:40:17.200 --> 02:40:20.200
an imperative in terms of obviously SRV

02:40:20.479 --> 02:40:22.856
wanting to utilize that funding that

02:40:22.880 --> 02:40:25.880
would limit options like DHL I imagine

02:40:25.920 --> 02:40:27.496
and more broadly the Sandridge

02:40:27.520 --> 02:40:29.016
recreation.

02:40:29.040 --> 02:40:31.576
Yeah, we are at a high we Yeah. So, and

02:40:31.600 --> 02:40:33.415
that's

02:40:33.439 --> 02:40:35.736
that's right. Look, we are at a high

02:40:35.760 --> 02:40:37.816
risk of losing that funding. Um, we're

02:40:37.840 --> 02:40:39.576
doing everything we can to demonstrate

02:40:39.600 --> 02:40:42.600
that the project's viable moving ahead.

02:40:43.120 --> 02:40:45.736
Um, and determining that location and

02:40:45.760 --> 02:40:48.136
getting on with the design is critical

02:40:48.160 --> 02:40:51.160
to that within the next 3 months.

02:40:53.439 --> 02:40:56.439
Thank you. Any further questions?

02:40:57.680 --> 02:41:00.680
There's a recommendation before us. Is

02:41:01.040 --> 02:41:03.016
there a council that wishes to move?

02:41:03.040 --> 02:41:04.776
Move. Councelor Consalo seconded.

02:41:04.800 --> 02:41:07.736
Councelor Crawford, does a mover wish to

02:41:07.760 --> 02:41:08.856
speak?

02:41:08.880 --> 02:41:11.176
Yes, please. , as some dates have

02:41:11.200 --> 02:41:12.696
already flown around which aren't really

02:41:12.720 --> 02:41:14.776
highlighted in the report, but the ,

02:41:14.800 --> 02:41:16.936
initial election commitment came in

02:41:16.960 --> 02:41:19.656
November 2018 and the completion date

02:41:19.680 --> 02:41:22.680
has been suggested as January 2029.

02:41:23.200 --> 02:41:24.936
It's pretty sad that the people who work

02:41:24.960 --> 02:41:27.656
so hard to secure that funding are no

02:41:27.680 --> 02:41:28.936
longer going to be at the club by the

02:41:28.960 --> 02:41:30.216
time it's there. It's the nature of

02:41:30.240 --> 02:41:32.696
these kids growing up. um always be

02:41:32.720 --> 02:41:34.136
grateful for the work that they did to

02:41:34.160 --> 02:41:36.056
secure it and I really hope that that we

02:41:36.080 --> 02:41:38.295
can still utilize that money. It was

02:41:38.319 --> 02:41:40.136
incredible that we got it and here we

02:41:40.160 --> 02:41:41.896
are and I have really strong feelings

02:41:41.920 --> 02:41:44.856
that irk me on this project but I'm

02:41:44.880 --> 02:41:46.056
pleased to see that it's still

02:41:46.080 --> 02:41:47.736
progressing and I hope that this one

02:41:47.760 --> 02:41:50.536
works out. Um

02:41:50.560 --> 02:41:53.560
the the club is so polite. They're very

02:41:53.600 --> 02:41:56.600
nice club to work with and it it's very

02:41:57.359 --> 02:41:59.415
upsetting that other clubs have yelled

02:41:59.439 --> 02:42:01.576
at us so many times in the past yet this

02:42:01.600 --> 02:42:04.136
one's always been very polite and this

02:42:04.160 --> 02:42:07.160
is the outcome that they've been set

02:42:07.760 --> 02:42:10.136
with. So I appreciate that there's work

02:42:10.160 --> 02:42:12.216
feasibility looking into their current

02:42:12.240 --> 02:42:15.240
facility and um what we can do there to

02:42:16.720 --> 02:42:19.720
get them through to the next one.

02:42:19.760 --> 02:42:21.896
, and it may be that they just expand

02:42:21.920 --> 02:42:23.256
to the new site and they still use the

02:42:23.280 --> 02:42:24.696
old site. So, it shouldn't be that

02:42:24.720 --> 02:42:27.016
they're moving on only. Um, I don't know

02:42:27.040 --> 02:42:29.415
what the future of Julia Reserve is, but

02:42:29.439 --> 02:42:31.016
it has some nice lights and some nice

02:42:31.040 --> 02:42:34.040
courts and it's a good hub. , but it

02:42:34.240 --> 02:42:36.776
is landlocked within a residential area.

02:42:36.800 --> 02:42:39.496
So, it is hard to grow within that small

02:42:39.520 --> 02:42:42.520
confined of a very old neighborhood.

02:42:42.880 --> 02:42:45.880
Um, so, oh, and also I want to touch on

02:42:45.920 --> 02:42:48.375
Elder Smith. I was on the fence about

02:42:48.399 --> 02:42:50.856
whether Elder Smith should have this dog

02:42:50.880 --> 02:42:53.880
park because one, the future use of the

02:42:54.160 --> 02:42:55.976
sporting facility. We have a plan. We'd

02:42:56.000 --> 02:42:57.335
really like to see this plan action.

02:42:57.359 --> 02:42:58.616
Obviously, the plan's not coming into

02:42:58.640 --> 02:43:00.776
action very quickly. , and we know

02:43:00.800 --> 02:43:03.576
about some long-term delays. Elder Smith

02:43:03.600 --> 02:43:05.335
to me is just this unforgotten piece of

02:43:05.359 --> 02:43:06.776
land that people utilize how they want

02:43:06.800 --> 02:43:08.616
to utilize. And to me, that that's

02:43:08.640 --> 02:43:10.455
that's a nice asset to have in the in

02:43:10.479 --> 02:43:12.295
our pocket for when we do have a better

02:43:12.319 --> 02:43:15.319
plan. The dogs in our area are growing.

02:43:15.439 --> 02:43:17.896
We've seen a strong um present um

02:43:17.920 --> 02:43:20.920
presentation from the cop dog network.

02:43:21.280 --> 02:43:22.776
We also have a lot of dog parks in that

02:43:22.800 --> 02:43:25.576
area, but to bring this on board, it

02:43:25.600 --> 02:43:28.216
can't hurt with the new town houses

02:43:28.240 --> 02:43:30.696
there, more developments coming. There

02:43:30.720 --> 02:43:32.696
are just more and more dogs. So, I

02:43:32.720 --> 02:43:34.056
appreciate that this will be looked

02:43:34.080 --> 02:43:36.776
into, but I think when the quarterly

02:43:36.800 --> 02:43:38.536
review comes, I'll be very mindful of

02:43:38.560 --> 02:43:40.936
what the um expense we're going to put

02:43:40.960 --> 02:43:43.096
in this because

02:43:43.120 --> 02:43:44.696
we got to wait up against a lot of other

02:43:44.720 --> 02:43:47.176
projects right now. Um, but I just want

02:43:47.200 --> 02:43:48.856
to

02:43:48.880 --> 02:43:51.880
 express my thoughts on that one and

02:43:52.160 --> 02:43:53.816
am grateful that we're seeing this

02:43:53.840 --> 02:43:56.840
project move ahead. Hope

02:43:57.200 --> 02:43:58.776
the mover has spoken. Does the second

02:43:58.800 --> 02:43:59.896
wish to speak?

02:43:59.920 --> 02:44:02.295
Yeah, I do. Um I'm really supportive of

02:44:02.319 --> 02:44:04.936
this project and I to like council

02:44:04.960 --> 02:44:07.335
consol this is this is taking way longer

02:44:07.359 --> 02:44:09.656
than anyone hoped for. Um so to the club

02:44:09.680 --> 02:44:11.576
I'm really sorry on that cuz it has been

02:44:11.600 --> 02:44:14.600
under my watch that I'm I'm sorry. Um I

02:44:14.720 --> 02:44:16.056
just want to be really straight with

02:44:16.080 --> 02:44:17.576
community.

02:44:17.600 --> 02:44:19.176
Not everyone can get everything they

02:44:19.200 --> 02:44:20.856
want in every moment and we have to

02:44:20.880 --> 02:44:23.096
share and that means a bit of give and

02:44:23.120 --> 02:44:25.896
take and that's all from dogs to sports

02:44:25.920 --> 02:44:28.136
players to people who want passive

02:44:28.160 --> 02:44:31.160
areas.

02:44:31.200 --> 02:44:33.096
I I just think sometimes we're all good

02:44:33.120 --> 02:44:35.176
at thinking about what we need, but

02:44:35.200 --> 02:44:36.455
actually we've got to think about what

02:44:36.479 --> 02:44:39.255
everyone needs and we don't have many

02:44:39.279 --> 02:44:42.279
net courts or um particularly female

02:44:42.800 --> 02:44:45.800
focused sports spaces in this whole City

02:44:46.560 --> 02:44:48.856
and this is a chance to actually expand

02:44:48.880 --> 02:44:51.656
and support um a do a predominantly

02:44:51.680 --> 02:44:54.680
female um played sport.  and it has

02:44:56.160 --> 02:44:57.496
been a long time coming and there's been

02:44:57.520 --> 02:44:58.776
a lot of stuff in between and I know

02:44:58.800 --> 02:45:01.016
it's particularly about the land placing

02:45:01.040 --> 02:45:03.496
but actually we should be um that should

02:45:03.520 --> 02:45:05.496
be a higher priority than anything else

02:45:05.520 --> 02:45:07.496
right now and if there is a small time

02:45:07.520 --> 02:45:08.856
where there's a window and perhaps

02:45:08.880 --> 02:45:10.936
there's a little bit less dog space off

02:45:10.960 --> 02:45:12.375
leash space I'm going to ask the dog

02:45:12.399 --> 02:45:13.896
community to give a little just around

02:45:13.920 --> 02:45:15.656
this this is a really important project

02:45:15.680 --> 02:45:17.976
and there is still a lot of spaces that

02:45:18.000 --> 02:45:19.976
are off leash we've actually extended

02:45:20.000 --> 02:45:22.216
them um it's not ideal but we've got

02:45:22.240 --> 02:45:23.576
limited space so I'm going to ask the

02:45:23.600 --> 02:45:25.415
conver the beat straight with you. I

02:45:25.439 --> 02:45:26.856
want this to be a conversation about not

02:45:26.880 --> 02:45:29.880
what you always need, but about what we

02:45:30.080 --> 02:45:31.976
collectively need to support in our

02:45:32.000 --> 02:45:33.576
community. And that does require give

02:45:33.600 --> 02:45:36.295
and take. That does require sharing. Um

02:45:36.319 --> 02:45:38.455
there still we opportunity to run dogs

02:45:38.479 --> 02:45:41.415
over courts when they're not in use. Um

02:45:41.439 --> 02:45:43.656
I I just I just want to make sure that

02:45:43.680 --> 02:45:46.136
we're really

02:45:46.160 --> 02:45:48.295
understanding the difficult task it is

02:45:48.319 --> 02:45:50.936
to have limited amounts of land and make

02:45:50.960 --> 02:45:53.896
it work for everyone. um and there'll be

02:45:53.920 --> 02:45:56.295
future change and when and when we get

02:45:56.319 --> 02:45:57.896
dogs or we get different things we have

02:45:57.920 --> 02:45:59.656
to understand about what there is there

02:45:59.680 --> 02:46:01.656
is there is a cost or there is a you

02:46:01.680 --> 02:46:03.255
know a benefit so I guess that's just my

02:46:03.279 --> 02:46:05.176
straight talk I'm going to to the

02:46:05.200 --> 02:46:07.816
broader community at large um but to my

02:46:07.840 --> 02:46:09.496
fellow counselors I really want you to

02:46:09.520 --> 02:46:11.016
support this we need to get on with it

02:46:11.040 --> 02:46:12.936
and as as councelor console said I

02:46:12.960 --> 02:46:15.496
really hope this spot is the spot and so

02:46:15.520 --> 02:46:17.816
that we can deliver these these clubs

02:46:17.840 --> 02:46:19.736
who've waited very patiently some great

02:46:19.760 --> 02:46:22.696
courts and a great facility

02:46:22.720 --> 02:46:24.696
Thank you, councelor Crawford. Other

02:46:24.720 --> 02:46:27.720
councilors wish to speak to the item.

02:46:29.600 --> 02:46:32.600
Yes, councelor Halliday.

02:46:32.880 --> 02:46:34.375
Um

02:46:34.399 --> 02:46:35.896
I think I've been on the record for a

02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:38.920
long time about um my concerns about our

02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:42.040
approach to this sporting precinct,

02:46:42.640 --> 02:46:44.216
this wider sporting precinct in

02:46:44.240 --> 02:46:47.240
Fisherman's Bend. I think we're making

02:46:48.560 --> 02:46:51.560
the wrong decision here. I think we have

02:46:51.600 --> 02:46:54.600
been forced um into this decision um due

02:46:56.800 --> 02:46:59.800
to the funding. Um and I think we are

02:47:00.160 --> 02:47:03.160
going to make a mistake in paving over

02:47:04.000 --> 02:47:07.000
this one piece of open accessible space

02:47:08.479 --> 02:47:11.479
um in this area for 20 years into the

02:47:12.160 --> 02:47:14.295
future um when we might get some new

02:47:14.319 --> 02:47:17.319
parks in the area. Or you can walk a

02:47:17.439 --> 02:47:20.439
kilometer in either direction. um to

02:47:20.960 --> 02:47:23.960
find a dog off leash park. Um those are

02:47:25.840 --> 02:47:28.616
the options for open space here that is

02:47:28.640 --> 02:47:31.640
not a sports field. And I think we

02:47:32.399 --> 02:47:33.896
haven't thought this through. We we

02:47:33.920 --> 02:47:35.816
should be, you know, we're talking about

02:47:35.840 --> 02:47:37.976
sharing spaces here, but we're about to

02:47:38.000 --> 02:47:40.776
build, you know, we've paid whatever it

02:47:40.800 --> 02:47:43.016
is, $38 million for the Australian Post

02:47:43.040 --> 02:47:46.040
site, and we're going to put a an oval

02:47:46.640 --> 02:47:49.640
on it that is a singlepurpose oval. Um,

02:47:51.200 --> 02:47:53.496
and we should be looking at that space

02:47:53.520 --> 02:47:56.136
for maximizing the utility out of it. We

02:47:56.160 --> 02:47:58.856
should be putting the netball site

02:47:58.880 --> 02:48:00.936
there. We should be putting all sorts of

02:48:00.960 --> 02:48:03.816
sports there now rather than putting a a

02:48:03.840 --> 02:48:06.840
a grass overall there because that will

02:48:06.880 --> 02:48:08.455
that will end up being a vast

02:48:08.479 --> 02:48:11.479
underutilization of that space um when

02:48:11.920 --> 02:48:14.920
we could be maximizing the use of it. So

02:48:15.520 --> 02:48:18.295
um ultimately  while I you know

02:48:18.319 --> 02:48:19.816
appreciate that you're asking people to

02:48:19.840 --> 02:48:22.840
make sacrifices, it's not just about dog

02:48:22.880 --> 02:48:24.455
owners here. It's about people who just

02:48:24.479 --> 02:48:26.936
want some open recreational space that

02:48:26.960 --> 02:48:29.960
isn't um a sports field where they want

02:48:30.560 --> 02:48:33.255
to go have a picnic in the park under a

02:48:33.279 --> 02:48:35.896
tree and they won't have that option

02:48:35.920 --> 02:48:38.616
into the future at this site. So I will

02:48:38.640 --> 02:48:41.640
not support this.

02:48:41.680 --> 02:48:44.680
Any other counselors wish to speak?

02:48:49.840 --> 02:48:52.840
Councelor J.

02:48:53.439 --> 02:48:56.439
very briefly. Um Brian and I get very

02:48:57.760 --> 02:48:59.976
jealous of all the green space in Port

02:49:00.000 --> 02:49:03.000
Melbourne. Um so we, you know, we we

02:49:03.600 --> 02:49:05.976
we'd love a netball court or any

02:49:06.000 --> 02:49:08.375
anything else. I do just want to point

02:49:08.399 --> 02:49:10.536
out that some of us don't have kids or

02:49:10.560 --> 02:49:12.536
play net and dogs are really important

02:49:12.560 --> 02:49:15.496
also for mental health and lifestyle as

02:49:15.520 --> 02:49:18.455
is sports and as is nature. Councelor

02:49:18.479 --> 02:49:19.896
Halliday, I completely agree with

02:49:19.920 --> 02:49:22.616
you. living in the inner City and us

02:49:22.640 --> 02:49:25.640
leading the inner City, it is always a a

02:49:25.920 --> 02:49:27.976
difficult conversation about shared

02:49:28.000 --> 02:49:30.295
space, whether it be cars, bikes,

02:49:30.319 --> 02:49:33.319
scooters, dogs, sports people. So, I

02:49:34.000 --> 02:49:36.536
appreciate the healthy tension and look

02:49:36.560 --> 02:49:38.616
forward to making sure that we give this

02:49:38.640 --> 02:49:41.255
community the best that we can through

02:49:41.279 --> 02:49:43.415
many different perspectives and views

02:49:43.439 --> 02:49:46.439
and and positive tension. So, thank you

02:49:47.439 --> 02:49:49.335
councelor Jay. Thank you. Any other

02:49:49.359 --> 02:49:50.856
counselor wish to speak? Councelor

02:49:50.880 --> 02:49:53.415
Hardy,

02:49:53.439 --> 02:49:56.439
I  I haven't got a dog. I haven't

02:49:57.040 --> 02:50:00.040
really met one that I've liked actually.

02:50:00.560 --> 02:50:02.696
But I do understand

02:50:02.720 --> 02:50:04.616
about because the dogs in the Albert

02:50:04.640 --> 02:50:06.616
Park ward are very well very spoiled

02:50:06.640 --> 02:50:07.896
because they use the Albert Park

02:50:07.920 --> 02:50:10.056
Reserve. But I do understand that this

02:50:10.080 --> 02:50:13.080
is a sporting precinct and I was  sort

02:50:13.520 --> 02:50:15.415
of swayed a bit when the staff member

02:50:15.439 --> 02:50:17.576
mentioned that the space can be shared

02:50:17.600 --> 02:50:19.816
after hours. the dogs can walk and and

02:50:19.840 --> 02:50:22.295
fly around there. And of course the 

02:50:22.319 --> 02:50:23.816
those who want to play netbook can play

02:50:23.840 --> 02:50:26.840
net. So I'll be supporting this motion.

02:50:28.000 --> 02:50:31.000
Other counselors wish to speak.

02:50:33.040 --> 02:50:36.040
Deputy May.

02:50:36.319 --> 02:50:38.455
 thank you Mayor Megan. I couldn't

02:50:38.479 --> 02:50:41.255
help myself after councelor Hardy's fine

02:50:41.279 --> 02:50:44.279
commentary. Um I'm going to support

02:50:44.560 --> 02:50:47.560
this. I think that  any sporting any

02:50:48.399 --> 02:50:51.335
initiative to keep sport going favor

02:50:51.359 --> 02:50:54.359
sport net is a very very popular sport

02:50:55.520 --> 02:50:58.520
and  we should support it. I don't

02:50:58.560 --> 02:51:01.560
have a dog and  I have met dogs that I

02:51:02.560 --> 02:51:03.016
like.

02:51:03.040 --> 02:51:04.375
Do you play?

02:51:04.399 --> 02:51:07.399
Not very many but a couple. Um but in in

02:51:09.200 --> 02:51:10.856
fairness to those people who love their

02:51:10.880 --> 02:51:13.176
dogs,  that's fine. Um, I've met

02:51:13.200 --> 02:51:15.016
Louisie, which I absolutely adore. It's

02:51:15.040 --> 02:51:16.056
a great little dog.

02:51:16.080 --> 02:51:17.656
He's got plenty of space in Sil

02:51:17.680 --> 02:51:18.936
French and that's

02:51:18.960 --> 02:51:20.216
doesn't have to go that far

02:51:20.240 --> 02:51:22.136
and that's that's good to have.

02:51:22.160 --> 02:51:23.736
Unfortunately, they didn't win the World

02:51:23.760 --> 02:51:26.216
Cup, but there you go. Thank you very

02:51:26.240 --> 02:51:28.455
much.

02:51:28.479 --> 02:51:30.696
Thank you, Deputy Mayor M. Any other

02:51:30.720 --> 02:51:33.720
counselors wish to speak to this item?

02:51:36.000 --> 02:51:39.000
, I will speak.

02:51:39.840 --> 02:51:41.496
They say in politics, if you want a

02:51:41.520 --> 02:51:42.776
friend, buy a dog. It's probably a

02:51:42.800 --> 02:51:45.800
reason I have two dogs.

02:51:47.920 --> 02:51:50.920
This had been first proposed in 2018.

02:51:52.560 --> 02:51:55.415
And  it's ironic that  the highest

02:51:55.439 --> 02:51:58.216
grossing film in 2018 was Acquan 

02:51:58.240 --> 02:52:01.096
given the topic of  water and flooding

02:52:01.120 --> 02:52:03.496
that we've had throughout this evening.

02:52:03.520 --> 02:52:06.520
But you know this m this funding came to

02:52:06.800 --> 02:52:09.415
a via the state government. It predates

02:52:09.439 --> 02:52:11.176
this council. It predates the last

02:52:11.200 --> 02:52:13.976
council. It's a council before. And it

02:52:14.000 --> 02:52:15.496
is more than reasonable for the

02:52:15.520 --> 02:52:18.375
community to say well your plans have

02:52:18.399 --> 02:52:20.375
changed. How are you going to

02:52:20.399 --> 02:52:23.016
accommodate us in the usage that we've

02:52:23.040 --> 02:52:26.040
been using that last green parcel of JL

02:52:26.160 --> 02:52:29.160
Mercy for? In terms of what the

02:52:29.200 --> 02:52:31.656
alternative is,

02:52:31.680 --> 02:52:34.680
what we have proposed here tonight is an

02:52:34.880 --> 02:52:37.016
identification that if we are changing

02:52:37.040 --> 02:52:39.656
the use of a parcel of land that we

02:52:39.680 --> 02:52:41.335
should therefore accommodate what that

02:52:41.359 --> 02:52:43.976
use was in another alternate location

02:52:44.000 --> 02:52:47.000
being in this case Alder Smith reserve

02:52:47.520 --> 02:52:49.335
that is reasonable. We should not be

02:52:49.359 --> 02:52:51.335
playing communities off against each

02:52:51.359 --> 02:52:53.415
other and community isn't. They've been

02:52:53.439 --> 02:52:55.016
asking that if you are going to look at

02:52:55.040 --> 02:52:57.255
this, what are you going to provide as

02:52:57.279 --> 02:52:59.976
an alternative and that is what the

02:53:00.000 --> 02:53:01.976
request has been and that is what this

02:53:02.000 --> 02:53:04.536
recommendation provides. Remembering

02:53:04.560 --> 02:53:06.856
that this as councelor Halliday has

02:53:06.880 --> 02:53:08.936
mentioned we've been forced into making

02:53:08.960 --> 02:53:11.896
a decision based on decisions that were

02:53:11.920 --> 02:53:14.295
not taken in the council before and the

02:53:14.319 --> 02:53:17.176
council before that. We are now before

02:53:17.200 --> 02:53:20.200
us needing to actually look at how we

02:53:20.560 --> 02:53:22.696
can carry forward in providing

02:53:22.720 --> 02:53:25.096
facilities for a community that

02:53:25.120 --> 02:53:27.335
understandably does need net ball

02:53:27.359 --> 02:53:30.056
facilities while also looking at how we

02:53:30.080 --> 02:53:33.080
can provide facilities for dogs of which

02:53:34.880 --> 02:53:36.616
there are many in Port Phillip and we

02:53:36.640 --> 02:53:38.056
are only going to see an increasing

02:53:38.080 --> 02:53:41.080
number amount through fisherman's bend.

02:53:41.359 --> 02:53:43.496
Looking at outer smith reserve as part

02:53:43.520 --> 02:53:45.816
of that process makes sense given the

02:53:45.840 --> 02:53:48.776
limited utility of outer smith reserve

02:53:48.800 --> 02:53:50.856
and those gas pipelines that obviously

02:53:50.880 --> 02:53:53.880
prohibited any real functional use of

02:53:54.160 --> 02:53:57.160
that land for net courts.

02:53:57.520 --> 02:54:00.056
I agree with the sentiment however that

02:54:00.080 --> 02:54:03.080
there is a severe limitation of public

02:54:03.279 --> 02:54:06.136
passive open space in fisherman's bend

02:54:06.160 --> 02:54:07.576
and this is something we need to look

02:54:07.600 --> 02:54:09.976
at. We are fighting over crumbs here and

02:54:10.000 --> 02:54:12.696
is doing no one any real justification

02:54:12.720 --> 02:54:15.255
of service.

02:54:15.279 --> 02:54:17.255
While that is a longerterm issue that we

02:54:17.279 --> 02:54:19.096
need to look at, we also do need to make

02:54:19.120 --> 02:54:21.576
a decision here before us. And that is

02:54:21.600 --> 02:54:24.600
why I support this recommendation given

02:54:24.640 --> 02:54:26.776
it gives certainty to the net club and

02:54:26.800 --> 02:54:29.496
it gives certainly to the dog community

02:54:29.520 --> 02:54:31.816
in how they we can provide a

02:54:31.840 --> 02:54:34.840
commensurate regain of space.

02:54:36.960 --> 02:54:39.576
Does the mover wish to?

02:54:39.600 --> 02:54:42.600
Yes, please. All right. Um, the

02:54:44.319 --> 02:54:45.816
comments. Thank you. I appreciate

02:54:45.840 --> 02:54:47.096
everyone has different views on it, but

02:54:47.120 --> 02:54:48.936
I think it's pretty interesting to point

02:54:48.960 --> 02:54:50.455
out where people were talking about

02:54:50.479 --> 02:54:53.479
like, oh, walking dogs and nature and

02:54:53.600 --> 02:54:56.600
nipple, but it's like you have a lot of

02:54:56.800 --> 02:54:58.455
options where to walk your dog. You've

02:54:58.479 --> 02:55:00.616
got a lot of options of nature. Okay,

02:55:00.640 --> 02:55:03.640
maybe everyone wants more dispersed, but

02:55:03.680 --> 02:55:05.415
we're looking at there's really this net

02:55:05.439 --> 02:55:07.656
bowl that we don't have. It's not like

02:55:07.680 --> 02:55:08.776
there's footy ovals where there's

02:55:08.800 --> 02:55:11.656
multiple footy ovals. There's two courts

02:55:11.680 --> 02:55:13.896
and the growth the the document says we

02:55:13.920 --> 02:55:16.920
need 13 by 2041. So giving four more is

02:55:17.840 --> 02:55:20.696
still not well in our way to achieving

02:55:20.720 --> 02:55:22.856
the goal that we've already set out we

02:55:22.880 --> 02:55:25.880
need. So I know we all want to look at

02:55:26.080 --> 02:55:28.455
land and say my wish list is the thing I

02:55:28.479 --> 02:55:30.936
like best but we also have to provide

02:55:30.960 --> 02:55:33.255
for the things that we already have um

02:55:33.279 --> 02:55:36.279
measured that we need to provide. So

02:55:36.880 --> 02:55:38.375
this is a really important opportunity

02:55:38.399 --> 02:55:40.136
to

02:55:40.160 --> 02:55:41.896
to to work toward the goals that we set

02:55:41.920 --> 02:55:44.920
for ourselves. Thank you everyone.

02:55:45.600 --> 02:55:48.295
All right.  the motion  the mover

02:55:48.319 --> 02:55:49.976
has closed the motion in which case the

02:55:50.000 --> 02:55:53.000
motion is being put. All those in favor

02:55:54.319 --> 02:55:57.176
that is councelor Thomann, deputy may

02:55:57.200 --> 02:55:59.496
councelor Jay, councelor Hardy,

02:55:59.520 --> 02:56:00.936
councelor Buckingham, councelor

02:56:00.960 --> 02:56:03.656
Crawford, councelor Consolo,  myself,

02:56:03.680 --> 02:56:06.455
Mayor Min, all those opposed councelor

02:56:06.479 --> 02:56:07.976
Halliday.

02:56:08.000 --> 02:56:11.000
That motion is carried.

02:56:16.080 --> 02:56:18.856
That was item 11.2.

02:56:18.880 --> 02:56:21.496
That now takes us to notice of motion in

02:56:21.520 --> 02:56:24.520
which we have none here this evening but

02:56:25.120 --> 02:56:27.896
 in line with provision 10.2 of

02:56:27.920 --> 02:56:30.056
governance rules. I'd like to extend the

02:56:30.080 --> 02:56:33.080
meeting by 30 minutes until

02:56:33.439 --> 02:56:35.976
all those  move deputy mir seconded.

02:56:36.000 --> 02:56:37.896
Councelor Timman, it's a procedural

02:56:37.920 --> 02:56:40.920
motion. All those in favor

02:56:41.359 --> 02:56:42.776
all those in favor of extending the

02:56:42.800 --> 02:56:45.800
meeting that is carried unanimously.

02:56:47.600 --> 02:56:49.816


02:56:49.840 --> 02:56:52.840
item 14, we've covered item 15, reports

02:56:52.960 --> 02:56:55.496
by councelor delegates. Any councilors

02:56:55.520 --> 02:56:58.520
wish to share delegate reports

02:57:09.279 --> 02:57:12.216
written report

02:57:12.240 --> 02:57:14.375
 any delegates reports we wish to

02:57:14.399 --> 02:57:17.399
share?

02:57:18.080 --> 02:57:20.616
No,

02:57:20.640 --> 02:57:23.640
I might share  the final weekend. Oh,

02:57:23.680 --> 02:57:25.816
sorry. The final week of June, I

02:57:25.840 --> 02:57:27.976
attended the Australian Local Government

02:57:28.000 --> 02:57:30.375
Assembly. Sorry. Yes. Yeah. The

02:57:30.399 --> 02:57:31.656
Association of Australian Local

02:57:31.680 --> 02:57:33.496
Government,  the National General

02:57:33.520 --> 02:57:36.520
Assembly up in Canberra. Out of all the

02:57:36.880 --> 02:57:39.496
places you could be in the world, CRA in

02:57:39.520 --> 02:57:42.520
the end of June, it was freezing.

02:57:43.359 --> 02:57:46.359
Imagine  one council. Imagine around

02:57:46.479 --> 02:57:49.016
about 500 councils all in one venue.

02:57:49.040 --> 02:57:51.496
That's  gives you a comparison in

02:57:51.520 --> 02:57:53.656
terms of the National General Assembly.

02:57:53.680 --> 02:57:55.816
But what the National General Assembly

02:57:55.840 --> 02:57:58.696
does provide is an opportunity to hear

02:57:58.720 --> 02:58:01.415
from other councils to share common

02:58:01.439 --> 02:58:03.976
issues across the sector. and I

02:58:04.000 --> 02:58:07.000
reflected on  data centers as a common

02:58:07.520 --> 02:58:08.856
point that had been raised by a number

02:58:08.880 --> 02:58:10.536
of councils at the National General

02:58:10.560 --> 02:58:13.176
Assembly, but also the motions that we

02:58:13.200 --> 02:58:15.255
as the City of Port Phillip put forward,

02:58:15.279 --> 02:58:16.936
all of which were endorsed by the

02:58:16.960 --> 02:58:19.415
National General Assembly and also the

02:58:19.439 --> 02:58:22.216
work that we did alongside our council

02:58:22.240 --> 02:58:25.240
colleagues as well.  motions in

02:58:25.439 --> 02:58:27.816
relation to calling for federal

02:58:27.840 --> 02:58:30.455
investment in our urban cities, i.e.

02:58:30.479 --> 02:58:33.479
Fisherman's Bend on social cohesion on

02:58:34.080 --> 02:58:36.455
 homelessness and affordable housing

02:58:36.479 --> 02:58:39.335
as well as also sustainability motions

02:58:39.359 --> 02:58:40.776
that were carried by the National

02:58:40.800 --> 02:58:43.800
General Assembly alongside a number of

02:58:44.479 --> 02:58:47.415
sessions that I attended at ALGA was

02:58:47.439 --> 02:58:49.576
also an invitation that was extended to

02:58:49.600 --> 02:58:52.600
Port Phillip  to the capital City Lord

02:58:52.640 --> 02:58:54.616
Mayers's Forum and that provide an

02:58:54.640 --> 02:58:56.616
opportunity for us to be in the room

02:58:56.640 --> 02:58:59.335
with Lord Mayers and their deputy Lord

02:58:59.359 --> 02:59:00.136
Mayers

02:59:00.160 --> 02:59:02.616
across the capital cities of Australia

02:59:02.640 --> 02:59:04.696
and provided us with a platform to

02:59:04.720 --> 02:59:07.496
really highlight  the challenges we're

02:59:07.520 --> 02:59:09.656
experiencing in the capital City zone of

02:59:09.680 --> 02:59:11.976
Fisherman's Bend as well as also the

02:59:12.000 --> 02:59:15.000
challenges around densification in areas

02:59:15.439 --> 02:59:18.439
like Domain and Lakeside commonalities

02:59:18.560 --> 02:59:20.216
that are shared across other capital

02:59:20.240 --> 02:59:23.176
cities and it was great to see that 

02:59:23.200 --> 02:59:25.016
even though the City of Port Phillip

02:59:25.040 --> 02:59:26.776
isn't a capital City we do have capital

02:59:26.800 --> 02:59:28.696
City zoning and it's good for us to be

02:59:28.720 --> 02:59:31.720
part of those discussions and to really

02:59:32.000 --> 02:59:35.000
hone in on those key challenges facing

02:59:35.200 --> 02:59:38.056
densification, facing urban renewal

02:59:38.080 --> 02:59:41.080
shared right across the country.

02:59:42.960 --> 02:59:45.496
The I will note that a written report

02:59:45.520 --> 02:59:46.856
will be included in the next meeting

02:59:46.880 --> 02:59:48.856
agenda but did want to give a verbal

02:59:48.880 --> 02:59:51.880
report at this stage. Look, I know with

02:59:52.000 --> 02:59:55.000
um sessions like ALGA and I it happens

02:59:55.680 --> 02:59:58.056
to an extent with the MAV as  the

02:59:58.080 --> 03:00:00.856
state peak. I know often with  events

03:00:00.880 --> 03:00:03.496
like ALGA, given it is in CRA, there's

03:00:03.520 --> 03:00:05.335
concerns around the travel and the

03:00:05.359 --> 03:00:07.736
attendance.

03:00:07.760 --> 03:00:09.976
As I've always said, at the end of the

03:00:10.000 --> 03:00:11.496
day, it is Camber in the middle of

03:00:11.520 --> 03:00:12.856
winter. If you're going to go into

03:00:12.880 --> 03:00:15.880
Junkit, Camber would not be on probably

03:00:16.080 --> 03:00:19.080
your top 500 list of junk locations,

03:00:19.120 --> 03:00:21.096
right? Cber in the middle of June.

03:00:21.120 --> 03:00:23.415
Definitely not. It is a valuable

03:00:23.439 --> 03:00:25.496
networking opportunity. It is a value

03:00:25.520 --> 03:00:28.216
opportunity to speak with other

03:00:28.240 --> 03:00:30.616
councils, exchange common issues, meet

03:00:30.640 --> 03:00:32.136
with ministers. We had a number of

03:00:32.160 --> 03:00:34.696
ministerial and  delegate meetings. I

03:00:34.720 --> 03:00:37.720
will speak to in the written report. It

03:00:38.080 --> 03:00:40.375
is a way of getting the issues of Port

03:00:40.399 --> 03:00:42.616
Phillip on the national agenda and

03:00:42.640 --> 03:00:44.776
shared across the sector. It is a

03:00:44.800 --> 03:00:47.800
valuable part of what we do in advocacy

03:00:48.160 --> 03:00:51.160
and engaging across local government.

03:00:52.000 --> 03:00:54.536
Some of the counselors that I knew in my

03:00:54.560 --> 03:00:55.976
first internal government were still

03:00:56.000 --> 03:00:57.656
part of that conversation and that was

03:00:57.680 --> 03:00:59.896
still part of councils and that helped

03:00:59.920 --> 03:01:02.696
us in some of the motions that proved to

03:01:02.720 --> 03:01:04.295
be a bit more challenging in getting

03:01:04.319 --> 03:01:06.216
through the national general assembly.

03:01:06.240 --> 03:01:08.375
Those connections matter, the dialogue

03:01:08.399 --> 03:01:10.295
matters, networking matters and the

03:01:10.319 --> 03:01:13.319
advocacy matters. Any other counselors

03:01:13.359 --> 03:01:16.359
wish to speak to their delegate reports?

03:01:18.960 --> 03:01:21.415
Okay. In which case, we will go to

03:01:21.439 --> 03:01:24.439
urgent business of which we have none.

03:01:25.920 --> 03:01:27.415
It's always ironic that urgent business

03:01:27.439 --> 03:01:30.295
is at the end of the agenda.

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it is item 17, confidential matters.

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Councilors, we have one confidential

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item report or listed for tonight's

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agenda, and that is item 17.2, the HR

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solution project tender. In which case,

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I will now call on a councelor to move

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that the item be closed to members of

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the public so that we can consider this

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confidential item. Move councelor

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Halliday, seconded councelor Consolo.

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It's a procedural motion, so it'll go

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straight to the vote. All those in favor

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that is carried unanimously. In which

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case we conclude the public part of

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tonight's meeting.  and want to thank

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members of the public who've stayed here

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till the very end as well as also  the

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people that join us online as well.

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Thank you for your attendance here this

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evening. We will be moving to a in

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camera session. So thank you tonight and

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we will see you at our next meeting

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hopefully.

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Have a lovely evening.